Omega Speedmaster Automatic (Reduced) - Ultimate Review
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- The Omega Speedmaster Automatic is literally broken down in this video by UK Watchmaker Richard Perrett. All aspects of this watch are looked at and considered and Richard gives a detailed read out on what to expect if you are thinking of getting one of these classic pieces.
The watch used in this video is the Omega Speedmaster Automatic reference 3510.50.00
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Greetings from the USA. I love your high quality content, well done! You give me a deeper appreciation for the mechanical watches I wear.
Hi gonshocks ... so good to hear from you again and thanks for this feedback. It's a win win as I just love my work! Richard
I have recently purchased a reduced made in 2000 and serviced in Jul 2019, bought from a reputeable jeweller who also have a qualified Omega watch repair person in house - absolutely loving it and your video has helped cement my purchase - thank you.
Hi Ian .... so pleased you found this video helpful and that is a very fine watch you now own sir! Richard
These are always great to watch in a time when society throws away so many things when it gets old, out of date.
Well said sir! I love working on these well made mechanisms which can serve their owners well for generations if looked after properly. Nice one. Richard
What a great channel, no watch snobbery, just great factual information, very interesting. I have one of these watches and it functions excellently. Keep up the great work.
Thank you Michael! So pleased you like my stuff and that is a great watch you have there sir! Richard
At last someone who actually knows what he's talking about
I bought this watch and it arrived today. I absolutely love it. Just watched this video to learn more about the movement. Fascinating thank you.
This is a great analysis of a marvelous watch. I own one and love it
Hi Ronald .... thank you so much and yes Omega did a nice job here I figure. Richard
I absolutely love the Speedmaster, and also love the detail and care you put into your work: it's great to watch you in action
Thanks for showing the inner workings of this important watch in such an interesting way. I've always been an Omega fan, but didn't realise the complexity of the Speedmaster, which the chronometer module caused. It is an incredible design which I love, but at £2,000+ it is way beyond my reach.
As I watched you working on the Omega, I couldn't help comparing what I saw with my latest purchase, a Tevise submariner homage with steel bracelet made in China. It is an automatic movement, with exhibition back and a beautiful blue dial - cost me £15 on Amazon UK, including priority shipping. Chalk and cheese when compared with the delicious Speedmaster, but as I look at the Tevise I smile in wonder that so much watch can be bought and sent from the other side of the world for so little money. Unbelievable!
Hi Boris ... thank you so much for your kind feedback. You did amazingly well for £15 ... that is less than a burger and chips for 2 with a coffee and MacDonalds! And you get and automatic movement. Please let me know how you get on with it as I am very interested to know how resilient this piece by Tevise is. Thanks again. Richard
@@richardperrettwatchmakerSo far so good. The Tevise got mixed reviews on Amazon regarding accuracy and longevity. I've had mine for just over 2 weeks and have no issues, but early days. It is no chronometer (+/-30 sec/day), but I've been using it as my daily wear for since I received it, and had several positive comments about how nice it looks. I'll let you know how it goes.
Regarding the poker chip, I think you used it as a shim in the bottom die of your C&B hand-press to seat the the stainless steel back on the Speedmaster at the end of your amazing watch service. Kudos for your excellent work on such an intricate mechanism.
I need to get my 3510 serviced...wish there was someone in my area that is as knowledgeable as you.
I've got a Reduced on the way to me now, I'm afraid that if it needs a service I've gotta drop $750 to Omega. They did great on my Seamaster, but that was much cheaper
@@TransistorBased ive got one on the way to me now aswell. Said it was serviced in 2020 but im nervous. Hows yours holding up?
I just got one for under 2 grand on eBay. Learning more about these now and wonder if mine will need a service. How did yours turn out?
@@A_Dude_And_His_Watch78 Congrats, mine turned out well, I took it to my watchmaker first thing. Usually any servicing dates get posted on the inside of the caseback so take a look at that.
@@A_Dude_And_His_Watch78 ps, nice 79230n! I just picked one up a couple days ago.
Richard! I love your video! Great watch, and it is so interesting to see the movement. Thank you again! Good to know of your webpage, too!!!
Hi Richard, another great video. The poker chip is used to pop the bezel off the speedmaster.
I really like that you do videos on all different types of watches. Keep up the good work!
The lens remains in place when you pop it off though, right? Is the bezel just press fitted onto the case? I imagine you use the chip, gently twisting around the gap.
Yes the chrystal remains after the bezel comes off. Here's a video of using a poker chip to remove the bezel.
m.ruclips.net/video/YM25dJXJ2nc/видео.html&pp=ygUdU3BlZWRtYXN0ZXIgMTAxIGJlemVsIHJlbW92YWw%3D
Another great project perfected by Richard. Beautiful watch!!
Interesting, and I'm glad you addressed my questions and concerns about this watch. I have a few chronos with the Lemania 5100 movement (which I adore, masochistically) and I have to pay a similar premium for service on them, not to mention enduring the extra time involved PLUS the dearth of parts. As much as I like this watch, I'll likely never get one, I think, for the same reasons... maybe if I hit the lottery? I've very much enjoyed the series, and I'm looking forward to the writeup. Many thanks.
Beautiful Watch, awesome complete service and analysis! Thoroughly enjoy your videos!
Great review Richard, I loved it. Keep them coming! Andy
Thanks Andy! Richard
We who live across the pond salute you. Great videos. I’d like to see at least a bit of the actual reassembly work if it’s possible to video that and still do the ridiculously intricate things you do.
Hi Nightspore .... thank you so much for this feedback. I do release some videos which show all the steps ... Mark Lovick's excellent video on this movement is so long it is in eight parts! My full service of a Rolex 2135 I managed to get into three parts ... but the work is immense and the return no so good as these video tend to get less views, hence the hybrid approach. Thanks again, Richard
Me too, manipulating the small parts & screws is a skilled job which I find the most difficult.
The poker chip is used to pry up and remove the bezel.... Great channel Richard 👍
Hi Bill .... thanks for this and your mail which will try and reply to soon. And yes ...place it behind the bezel and give it a sharp tap with a watchmakers hammer and she pops right of as sweet as anything! Thanks for the support. Very much appreciated. Richard
Wonderful video from Richard. A Professional in the truest sense of the word. The poker chip is obviously used to provide a starry background when filming this iconic Moom watch. ☘
Hi Richard, brilliant content as usual. I like the summing up scoring as well which puts the watch in perspective.
I’ve been tempted several times to purchase a speedmaster but I find the original 42mm just a bit too big and the reduced version to me looks not in quite the right proportions. Maybe it’s just me..I'm tempted to get one with the George Daniel’s coaxial escapement though a need to do more research as there are seemingly endless variants to this watch. I will probably end up spending a bit more and getting a Rolex.. though this may well change with the popular models becoming unobtainable.
I’m guessing the casino chip object is used somehow to align the bezel correctly?
Fast on the road to becoming one of the best watchmaker channels in the known universe..ie earth..
Hi Giovan .... Yes there is a lot of choice when it comes to speedmasters. Some of the gold dialed ones are pretty cool too and anything to do with Mr Daniels in a watch collection can only be a good thing! Wrong answer on the poker chip I'm afraid! Richard
Fantastic video!!! That is a grail watch for me, the reduced with saphire or hesalite is the struggle I'm having, but at least I know it is a very worthwhile time piece with a very impressive heritage as you stated! Do you repair watches from Canada Richard?
Richard, Can you shed some light on why we don't see any dust spray can used when servicing the movement or etc to remove dust from movement and with the final assembly. Like your great chill calm videos - very relaxing and enjoyable to watch.
Hi Mr Magoo ... I don't use compressed air as it is a little too full on when there are tiny components lying around. I do use a traditional blower but sparingly as I don't like to blow dust into places I can't get at it. Mainly I use rodico and a loupe for the fine dust removal. Hope this helps and thank you for the positive feedback. Richard
I have the full size manual version and it has the best face of any chronograph I have seen or own. Can't comment on the mechanism I'll leave that to Richard but the bezel design makes it awkward to wind. As regards the casino chip I assume this is your recent winnings from a night on the 'strip' midst the glitterati of Pembroke Dock! Your barking dogs are becoming a video trademark a bit like TGV's police sirens.
Haha! twozerouk you crack me up! ... 'a night on the strip midst the glitterati of pembroke dock' .... brilliant! For anyone familiar with 'The Dock' this is brilliant! And yes I have several big dogs here ... very big dogs and plenty of those little IP cameras. Thanks as always! Richard
My guess on the poker chip is you used it to press something on. That’s all I can think of. My guess is it fit something perfectly and you used it to evenly distributed the force. Let me know if I won or didn’t. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Just won an auction for one on eBay for a bit under 2 grand. Super pumped but the more I learn about these the more nervous I get as I wonder if mine will need a service.
If I'm right, the poker chip is used for setting the movement on, while the case is lowered over it, then flipped over before the back is installed.
Hi Valen ... Now that's a good piece of thing there but I am afraid your answer is not correct. Thanks for trying. Richard
Great video. Entertaining as usual, thank you.
I don't know if anyone else noticed or if it was due to editing but that seconds hand jumped like 3+ seconds @23:43 😬 doesn't seem like it was due to editing. I really wished this would have been on the Professional because I'm torn between the 1861 and 1863 and not much on RUclips about them and if it's worth the upgrade.
Hi InChrist87 .... When I get a professional in I will do a video for sure. And the jumping second hand is only me editing out when a say 'Uhmm' which there is still too much of in pre-production. Thanks for the feedback. Richard
@@richardperrettwatchmaker oh okay excellent thanks for letting me know!
Great video, as we've come to expect! In October, I'll be taking a workshop for beginners from the New York Horological Society. Maybe then I'll learn what the poker chip is for!?! :)
Greetings from Stonehaven Scotland. I notice you have never serviced an Omega Flightmaster (unless I have missed it) can you service mine ? If yes what is your lead time please ?
Mine is arriving today from Japan. Would you recommend to service them right away or wait for a few years bc 800 bucks is still 800 bucks :)
Thank you for a great video!
Hi Alikhan... I would wait a while. Wear the watch and observe how it performs before doing any in terms of a service. Hope this answers your question. Richard
@@richardperrettwatchmaker Thank you Sir! I appreciate your prompt reply! Best wishes!
Richard first of all great Video as always. I have a question for you do you use manuals for all these watches ? I am a professional aircraft engineer and have many aircraft type ratings because they are all different. I am just wondering if you work according to manufacturers manuals . Cheers
Hi MrBillboeing ... in this instance I did use the Omega guide for the this calibre and it was invaluable. They are not always available and then it's down to experience. My preference is to have the manual whilst I do the work even if I know the calibre reasonably well. Richard
Richard Perrett Watchmaker dear Richard thanks for this reply!
The poker chip is to place your bet on whether the hands will all align. 😁
Hi ,
Is it possible to change from hesalite to sapphire on a reduced ?thanks
The poker chip pops the bezel when hit very lightly with a hammer.
Hello i have question about omega speedmaster reduced, red. 175.0032/33, - 1988 year. I need to replace upper pusher (chrono start, stop) and im looking to buy. Upper and down pusher are the same about dimensions inside, this is 086ST0079 ref?
I was watching this watch lately, wanting to buy one. In the piece I was testing there was an issue where the minute hand jumped half-minute forward while starting the chronograph. What could this be? It happened once every few times while starting the chrono.
Is there a way to reset the large second (tach) hand to zero if it is resetting to 1hr (or 5min) when zeroed? I know on other chronographs there are "backdoor" ways to reset a tach hand which has strayed from zero but I can't find any info for the 3510.50
Hi Eric ... No backdoor on this calibre! Normally this issue is due to the hand in question having worked loose. The next thing if that is the case is that it falls off! Sorry I don't bring better news. Richard
What an outstanding review and watchmaking art that you do Sir. , I have the same one and I love it, unfortunately the bracelet clasp pin is broken. Please can you tell me what size and diameter is the pin, that I can purchase on eBay. Thank you
Hey man, loved the video. I was wondering if you could do a comprehensive review of the classic 7s26? It’d be cool to know what’s up in my watch
If I'm not wearing it every day and it's not constantly running (but given a go at least once a month to keep everything fluid), is it unwise or risky to extend service periods to every ten years?
MISTAKE, there, Perrett, or you just misspoke? (30:55-31:20 in the video)
What you call «making the hairspring shorter» actually gives it LOWER TENSION, which seems to me to be making it beat SLOWER - NOT FASTER, and vice versa. That lever is clearly where the endpoint of the hairspring is anchored, and moving it AWAY from the camera clearly moves the anchoring point of the end of the hairspring closer to its beginning, as you aim back along its spiral to its anchoring point in the center of it. Hence you call it a “shorter hairspring”, though the length of the hairspring stays the same and the SPACE between the COILS expands while you adjust it in the direction away from the camera - so it is merely «the RANGE of its total angular travel» that is shortened, HENCE LOWER tension. And doesn’t that make it beat SLOWER, NOT FASTER? are we not in agreement about this ? - lower tension: beats slower, right or wrong? Anyone ?
I have a question , what is reconditioned Moebius oil? is it ok for eta 2824-2 or any movement for that matter?
Interesting video Richard I enjoyed that a lot.
Regarding the poker chip does it have something to do with fitting the glass?.
Is the a way to calibrate the chronograph? My 6 0'clock had sits just after the 0 and wondering if I have to take this in for a service or can do it myself?
Hello, I just came across this really good video & wanted to ask if you would or could service my Speedmaster reduced? Ty & best regards. Joe.
How much do you charge to service this watch?
Hi Ronald .... Please could you contact me at richard@richardperrett.com and I can give you all the information you need. thanks for the great feedback too. Richard
Informative and interesting video! I've seen many videos on demagnetizing a watch and they are so different from one another which leaves me rather confused. Can you kindly show us, viewers, the proper way to demagnetize a watch using a standard economical electric device easily found on eBay or amazon? Thank you.
Nice one Richard , just out of curiosity how long on average wold it take to complete a service like this?
Take Care
Darren.
Hi Darren .... about 10 hours in total plus a little less focused time in test. It's double the time required for a Rolex 3135 for example; but it is very satisfying. It's a lot more if I was to film the whole process. Filming tends to increase the time by somewhere between 2 and 3 times if you a fussy about getting in close shots and good angles. Hope this answers your question fully. Richard
@@richardperrettwatchmaker Well you must have the patience of a saint and the eye sight of a pilot. Enjoy your videos very much keep up the good work.
Darren.
@@darrensmith6999 Thanks Darren. Richard
Brilliant
How so we contact you about a service? I have a 3510.50 needing a service. Losing over a minute a day.
The dramatic music when the moon is onscreen is WAY too loud, and then a moment later your voice is too soft. When watching RUclips videos, we shouldn't have to constantly adjust the volume. This is especially noticeable when wearing headphones. FYI
Hi sir, is it harmful if I let my chronograph keep running often? I have the same speedy reduced like this one, the design of the movement is suitable for this kind of job? Comparing with column wheel or vertical clutch chronograph, how much reliable and durable of this piggyback chrono? Thanks in advance!
Hi zigzagipyup ... No it's fine. The chronograph module is designed to run and is heavily jeweled to reduce wear. It is best to keep it serviced as that way the moving parts will then be lubricated and this further reduces wear but you can run the chronograph at will and for as long as you like. Richard
Richard Perrett Watchmaker Thank you very much, Mr. Perrett.
Where is the link to the first video?
lovely to see the same watch i wear but its starting to lose time think it wants a service.
What did that service cost?
Excellent video
£650 if you go direct to Omega
Best review of this watch on YT! I'm hoping to find one of these for my 50th this year - the later model with the updated face/strap/crystal.
I've been looking on the chrono24 site - are these safe to deal with? Does anyone have any recommendations where to purchase? (I'm in the UK)
wheres the link to the website?
25.01 look at the second hands.
So I just got one of these... how much does a service cost? I'm scared.
Hi Ray , I guess you are looking at somewhere between £550 to £800. Please be aware that a lot of watchmakers do not attempt a service of te chronograph module as it has a reputation for being super difficult to do. They often acquire a replacement module instead and service the main movement assembly only. I wanted folks to see the inside of the chronograph module in this though. Hope this helps. richard
Hey! Mine was serviced last year for $250! With a year warranty:) not all watchmakers charge an arm and a leg, don’t worry!
You need a better camera
Hi Mohammed ... you point is well made and I have more recently invested in a better camera and learned how to use it. Thanks for this. Richard
Like I am from Hong Kong
Only thing I don't really like is your editing, you seem to cut yourself off while you're talking. Watch that, otherwise great stuff!
Hi LastActionJoe ... very useful feedback, thank you! I am definitely 'a watchmaker with a camera' and not a 'film maker fixing a watch' ... but I do want to get really good at the film making bit and half the battle is knowing how folks react to my stuff so this is really helpful. Thanks for taking the trouble to let me know. richard
Do you service these watches?
Hi Stephen... of course. Its my job. Its all in the two videos on this watch. Richard
What would happen when the moon landing of 1969 was a hoax? Would the Speedmaster become the famous watch that was never on the moon? What would happen to the price? I think it would become ever more famous, or is it notorious? Anyway, it will always be there, as the first watch on the moon, or be part of the most infamous hoax ever pulled all over our planet.
Hi Rene ... very hypothetical sir! I worked in government and the military for decades and trust me there is no way those organisations could keep the lid on something like that. Our government can barely do its primary function due to ineptitude let alone keep something as huge and complex as an Apollo falsehood a secret . Also, having worked a lot with military engineers and pilots I know one thing ... these guys had lots of dollars and were up for it. Now, you give American men and women lots of dollars and tell them to do something cool they want to do anyway ... and they will go do it. These guys and girls were intelligent, industrious and cool. Cool is really important because if you are cool you do not have to be so brave. Something I learned in 20 years of military service myself. Apollo was a real thing because the alternative is a million times more unlikely. So it's too hypothetical to give a meaningful answer I am afraid. Hope this helps. Richard
Richard, I wasn't speculating on the moon landing being a hoax or not, I was just thinking about the possible consequences for the Omega Speedmaster. With or without a moon landing, the watch will stay iconic.
@@renebense Hi Rene ... and you were careful to word it that way know. I just had to explain why I couldn't really answer your question as to ignore it would have been impolite and yet to answer it would be to accept the possibility of a hoax. Hope you see the dilemma for me! Good to hear from you as always. Richard
I understand. Great to have an open discussion with mutual respect. Thanks for that.
This watch starting in 1988 and NASA choose a manual chronograph because in 1969 the automatic chronograph wasn't invented Yet
Later on it was found out that automatic chronograph works in space just fine. William Pogue had his Seiko 6139 with him in Skylab -mission and Michael Gernhardt had his Omega Speedmaster Automatic with him in space shuttle Columbia STS-94 -mission. So they would have not really needed a hand wind watch on the moon either. But as Jose wrote the Omega Speedy automatic didn't exist yet in 1969.
BEWARE, OMEGA PRODUCTION ERROR - All Speedmasters with cal.1861 or cal.1863 movement (manual wound) paired with 5th of a second markers on dial (seconds divided into 5 parts) or paired with 4th of a second markers, and all with cal.3220 movement (automatic) paired with 5th-second markers on dial, have INACCURATE READING of the chronograph hand due to NO FIT between dial-markers of fractions-of-a-second and the movement’s beat-frequency per second. Cal.1861/1863 beat at 6 vibrations per second (6VPS) and require a 3rd or 6th of a second per marker between the seconds; the cal.3220 beats at 8 VPS and require a half or a 4th or 8th of a second between the markers.
This affects Speedmasters with reference no. 311.10.39.30; 311.33.42.30; 311.30.42.30.01; 3590.50; 3572.50 et cetera (if they have 5th of a second markers paired with a 6 BPS movement - cal.1861 or 1863); 311.30.42.30.03 (a 4th of a second per marker); and it affects Speedmasters with ref. no. 3510.50; 3510.12; 3520.50; 2598.80 etc. (if they have 5th of a second markers, i.e. each second divided into 5 fractions of a second, paired with a 6 beats per second movement - cal.3220 or 1151 etc.).
Incidentally, those with ref. no. 311.32.40.30.01.005; 311.30.42.30.01.004; 311.33.40.30.02.001; percent 311.32.42.30.04.003; 522.30.42.30.04.001 (cal.1861); 311.30.42.30.99.002 (cal.1863); 3876.50.31 (cal.1866) that have a 1/3 of a second per marker (each second divided into 3 parts, i.e. 2 sub-markers between each marker of a full second), are correct.
Even Tudor had the same production error/design flaw, on all their Valj.-based 28,800 BPH (8 BPS) movement equipped Heritage chronographs, having 4 dividers between each full second marker, making it a 5th of a second per marker, with a CHRONO-hand that jerks forward 6 times per second and always miss the first and the third quarter-second-marker). Only now do we see it corrected. And only now have we recently seen Omega NOT cheating in this regard, more than 50 years after they stopped making their 18,000 BPH (5 BPS) movement, cal.321. They even cheated NASA, in the 1960s, equipping the astronauts with a 6 jerks per second chronograph hand over a dial with only 5 fraction-of-a-second markers. How lame and criminal isn’t that ?
Even their so-called 1957 reissue has a 21,600 BPH (6 BPS) movement paired with each second divided into 5 fractions on the dial. Right, a CURRENTLY ONGOING mass sale of factory error/design flaw equipped CRAP, useless for what it is marketed as, a precision instrument for accurate split second timing. Criminal.
Oh boy it happened again @24:49 and 24:58 yikes!!
Omega’s movement frequency and subsecond marker MISMATCH is FRAUD. They use 6 and 8 Vibr/Second movements combined with 1/5th sec markers on the dial. The chronograph hand misses all sub-second markers on all of these speedmasters, cannot be stoppoed on any of these markers, for almost 60 years, and no one talks about it. DESIGN FRAUD for profit.