Simon Jordan & Martin Keown CLASH Over Postecglou's Attitude To Set Pieces | talkSPORT
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2024
- Tottenham Hotspur F.C. manager Ange Postecoglou said he was 'not worried about set pieces'. After conceding two goals from corners at Stamford Bridge Simon and Martin debate the manager's attitude to set pieces.
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If Arteta said what this Aussie said. Simon would have slaughtered him 😂😂. Big Ange is beyond reproach.
Whole media would slaughter him
When Arsenal spent years getting bullied at corners and set pieces they would laugh and say they should be better
Spurs doing and it’s ok because when they’re not conceding they’re playing “fun football”
Always an arsenal fan in the comments making everything about them, so desperate to be victims 🥱
@@New-ye2fl it's not even an agenda to be honest but Big Ange is making excuses and blatantly being hard headed. He is costing Spurs valuable points in the business end. He's being naive.
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Yh because levy is behind him and you know what Simon’s like 😮
If Eddie Howe was doing this, Simon Jordan would be “slamming” Newcastle. How much is Levy paying Simon Jordan for defending him?
Maybe Jordan has shares in Tottenham.
@@colinmiller8361so points deduction is on the agenda then 😂
ironically Levy himself should be slamming his manager for playing kamikaze reckless football and bottling top 4
Season 22/24 he was literally J Jonah Jameson towards us until the end of season the pompous pr*ck 😂😂😂
It's funny. Someone else said this exact same thing about Arteta & Arsenal. Perhaps he just hates everyone?
'Its not the first time i've been questioned about set pieces in my career' ... Eh, maybe you should start considering a theme is reoccurring because you are struggling at set pieces again.
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Maybe he sees bigger problems that no one else is seeing? Maybe those bigger problems are higher priority?
@@leroysimon5692 black applause everywhere 💀💀
@@juantokyo_whatever set pieces are a massive part of football look at arsenals set pieces since they got the set piece coach in there amazing at them now if he’s struggled his whole career with set pieces then clealry something is wrong with him not spurs as it’s happened at other clubs for him he won’t last next season
@@willtallis5275 so if this has been a problem at other clubs he's coached at why is it a problem? Every club he's managed has gone on to dominate the league and winning titles. He needs time.
Jordan loves Spurs, he can’t even hide it. His idol is Levy. He chats for days about them, and he will defend them to the hilt.
Good man
SIMON HAS SO MUCH PRIDE IN HIS OWN KNOWLEDGE, HE HAS NO SHAME INSULTING OTHER PANELISTS.
So full of himself the prick.
Mr know it all.
He doesnt even know a match gets abandoned if you have less than 7 players.
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Martin is correct. The idea that a defense at the level of Premier League football is not giving any priority to defending against set plays is beyond ridiculous. WTF are the defenders doing at practice???
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High line mate
@@fordcass4325 fk mate, thats just us mate
Ange tactically inept
One trick pony , attack with no defence .
Martin’s point about Pep getting a set pieces coach in was totally relevant. You can tell Simon was uncomfortable in his position by the weak way he tried to dismiss it.
Hmm I don’t know…People forget that in pep’s first season after getting smashed by Everton and Leicester, journos were telling him his team is last in tackles and they need to coach tackling. Pep was perplexed and he was like “tackles? I’m not the coach for that. That’s not why we didn’t win”. The media went mad and Stan collymore said he would go back to Spain with his tail between his legs if he didn’t coach tackling.
At the end of the day, best coaches know what they need to do to win. Media shouting about specific problems isn’t really relevant
@@ladi278yeah best coaches, ange in no way has shown himself to be on that same level
@@RGSMANIA yeh loses arguably the best striker in the world... doesnt replace him... has a team full of wingbacks designed for 5 at the back and hes sitting 5th playing the most exciting football in the league... were you dropped on your head as a baby?
@@juz882010 He spent 300 million in transfer window. He got the squad he wanted.
Without watching teh video i feel like Simon already defending Ange, it this was Arteta or ETH or Eddie Howe, he would slaughter them
Keown said exactly what Jamie Redknapp said Simon bow down to someone who actually knows something about marking at set pieces.
Jordan constant defending of spurs managers is always hilarious as he’s been wrong on every single one of
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It’s getting boring at this point
So he admits he doesn't care about set pieces .some teams get half there points from set pieces .
Efc❤
@@thedoc225ifywho ?
@nyallsmith320 Everton scored a lot of goals off set pieces
'THEIR' .....NOT 'THERE' Learn the difference before trying to debate with the articulate Jordan.
@@thedoc225ify can't say I've seen that and they may wanna score a few more as sheffield utd are the only team to score less this season
Complete bunch of BS from Simon..He thinks he's got the ability to twist his failed predictions with his fast pace talks 😂
You and Spurs fans said they were winning the league 😂
They did twice November and December 😅😅😅😅😅😅
True. I'm a spurs fan and with that squad we should have been top 3 easy. Postecoglou is a fraud and Levy will show him the door. Watch.
@@SundaeKongoKingdom that's not top 3 squad at all you are where you are
Spurs have had so few games this season they have no excuse for not ironing out issues on the training ground.
Exactly. 2 weeks to prep for Arsenal and no plan to deal with White, when all white ever does at Set Pieces is troll the goalkeeper is criminal negligence
@@Moleoflands you guys arent very smart huh? Ange doesnt coach like that, he doesnt setup for his opponent, he works on his passing drills mostly.
@@juz882010wow, and you say it like thats a good thing...
@@juz882010😂😂😂😂😂
@@dre8463he didn't say it's a good thing, he's just saying what it is. Can u wrap ur simple mind around that?
Ange thought saying he doesn't care about set pieces would have mesmerized us and be in awe of him thinking "wow he's such a man with no fear and got standards..My God he really knows what he wants"
It didn't work this time, well it hasn't been working in the last couple of months ..His shine is dimming off 😂
@@NCOYSseen some embarrassing copy pasted comments from you in this video. Simple celtic stats blah blah.
Women lie now? Jesus man that is woeful behaviour.
The numbers of Spurs decline in set pieces definitely do not lie you're correct.
Speak when you are spoken to son and dont ever call me out like that again. Not even a drop of logic in your comment. Please let your mother retire in peace and stop leaching about her box room. Mouse
Is this satire
@@NCOYSCeltic is not the premier leahue either and the fact he said it’s been happening his whole career in football just shows he does t adapt or change anything and no wonder he doesn’t stay at 1 club he won’t last next season
So Simon says no one here has been a manager we dont know what his thinking 30 seconds later proceeds to tell us what he was thinking in his postmatch interview after the Chelsea game earlier in the season . U cant make this stuff up what is talksport doing paying this man to talk about something he knows very little about
Mr. Dollars For Doughnuts can award Spurs the 5th Place Trophy
Be lucky to get 5th liverpool away next and city to come
Martin playing a blinder today
Space doesn’t score, players score! Bang on!
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If Martin had have defended like a Spud Don Georgio Graham would have sent him a horse's head.
There is some nerit to Zonal marking. But it needs to ve tied a bit more to a combination of nan marking. Like you have responsibility to man mark a player within your zone
Imagine being a manager of a Premier League team, and being so obsessed with a single priority of vague "success" and being completely disinterested at least one the factors that contribute to that "priority" such as set pieces. He is a fraud.
I'm an arsenal fan I never agree with Martin , but yea can't say a bad word about spurs Simon his whole demeanor changes the min you question that shite club , an a manger who is stuck in Scotland
Ange would have been flamed if he was some funny sounding foreigner with little grasp on the English language. Instead because he’s a relatable guy and everyone’s best mate, he’s beyond reproach.
He is a 'funny sounding foreigner.'
My issue with the comments of Postecoglou is that it sounds like he's insinuating that he's completely ignoring set pieces. Which just feels weird to me to not put any attention to a part of the game. Especially a part of the game where goals are involved
Its who we are mate🤣🤣🤣🤣
How can you defend Tottenham it’s crazy
It's the only defending Totteringham have seen this season.
Remember when Arsenal finished 5th a couple seasons back? Remember how easy the word ‘bottle’ came to Jordan then? Why the double standard, Simon?
Pepridge farm remembers
Pepridge farm remembers
Ole Gunnar Solskjær was doing the same thing in the years he managed United. Zonal marking on set plays. Maguire and AWB were constantly being caught out. Basically the whole back 4
The reason Simon always defends Levy is becuz he sees himself in Levy being a fellow failure and all .
Anytime he defends him, he's just defending himself and mitigating for his own failures
Levy is one of the greatest chairmans in PL history. Spurs fans should be asking for a Levy statue outside the stadium. He was the one who convinced the world that Spurs were a big club....they got an invite to the Super League, a club that hasnt won a league title since the 60's.
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Hey, I don’t know what weed you smoke but if levy is a fail business man then I don’t know what the word failure means.
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Spuds probably think JFK's still alive, he was the last time they were champions.
@@alzer6467😂that's true, though
what’s going on this month, Andy Goldstein and Martin Keown have been bang on about 99% of things recently😂
Changed your tune. I remember everyone in the media kissing anges backside at the start of the season 🙄
Yep people have short memories judge him next season and even beyond that remember klopp.pep and arsenal manager all given time. Get off his back I back him 100% watch next season hopefully get the players he wants COYS!!!!
Tomiaysu missed a header just after half time on Sunday from a free kick, there were 2 Arsenal players free at the back post.
Chelsea saw this because the exact same thing happened from the same position for the 1st goal last night. This isn't the Scottish league mate! Even Chelsea will pick up on these things.
Jackson has scored 4 against them in the league, think about that, shamone muthaf*kka!...
Surely if simon is saying that at the start of the season spurs would be happy with 5th then last season arsenal should be happy with 2nd, the point is with the position spurs were in this season they should be finishing top 4!
I have never rated posteglu
Who?
You can’t even spell🤡🤛🏻
@@polreamonn i know
@@Street-shitter ì have a gcse in English
As the manger he also has a responsibility to identify and correct weaknesses. I understand the concept of priority, but should those not be adaptable to the circumstances as well? They’re currently conceding too many goals from set pieces, which will ultimately cost them points and contribute towards a top four drop off. Surely that’s a priority.
Its who we are mate
Thank you Simon.
Australian supporters know how he is going about it.
Most people don’t get so thanks for shedding light on his thinking/strategy for those who don’t see the big picture.
Martin isn’t a manager.
He’s out of line.
You’re right Simon - it is about priorities.
Ange is focussed on long-term with expected short-term setbacks along the way - fans like Martin are about short-term quick fixes and weekend entertainment.
Stick to pumping up arsenal Martin. Sustained long- term growth has phases and priorities.
When Ange’s trophy cabinet starts looking bare maybe you can comment.
He’s ahead of Leggo head in his first year mate.
You could always manage them yourself or suggest an English manager as a replacement.
You need an antipodean coaches in your league mate.
If you need a reference check your ashes team success.
If you need a reference
Stupid comment and ruined it by mentioning cricket he will get sacked soon
Simons double standards yet again. Last year he wasn’t saying Arsenal - start of the year - push city to within 5 games - finish 2nd. Job well done. He said, they bottled the league based upon the situation they found themselves in at the end of the season not based on the expectations they had when they started the season.
It's strange that you still believe in ange, which has only one tactic. The players are not at fault. Ange is most responsible for not using flexible tactics. It has to stop now.
ange out!
How is Rodri 3rd? It’s like Rodri is judged on a much harder standards. Arguably the best player in the premier league and definitely the best and most important player on the best club team in the world . Not just this season but at least the last two seasons if not more.
Where was all this expectations at the beginning of the season excuse for Arsenal last season. Simon was shouting Arsenal were bottlers last season even though nobody thought Arsenal had a chance to win the league when the season started last year.
They had 2 Weeks to prepare for Arsenal and they can't THINK for a second that the team with the highest set piece goals this season wouldn't take advantage for set pieces???
Naïve is one thing, this is just being lazy and stubborn.
All Spurs need is a good striker perhaps one more winger and maybe one more midfielder. Ange is a great manager and a breath of fresh air. Of course he gets irritated by the village idiots posing as members of the press - I would too. I just pray Tottenham stand by him and don't get bullied into sacking him.
It’s both answers. I get what Ange is saying by that he is basically saying that it is not simply set pieces that is the reason for their form and there is a bigger picture to look at. At the same time it’s glaringly evident in the last 2 games specifically that they have employed a zonal marking system which is creating mismatches in size and leaving spare men at the back stick and it is not working. So on the one hand it’s a bigger picture and that’s the long term but on the other hand if he acknowledges the set piece problem that is something he can sort short term
If you watched the game last night it should be quite clear set pieces are not the main issue. Player quality, commitment, decision making, and execution are far more to blame. Not winning first contact on a corner feels to me like a player issue, not a manager issue.
It’s his issue when it’s happemed at every single club and he still hasn’t adapted or changed he won’t last next season
If this was Bielsa and his all attack football! He wouldn’t be getting this level of defence
Correct
when was Bielsa 5th in the league and lost the best striker in the world before the season starts? you thick as a brick?
Bielsa is a way better manager. Not the same records, not the same level.
Simon would defend and support anything Big Ange does. 😂
If my house was on fire I’d focus on putting the fire out, rather than saving the lounge
Martin is spot on. You only need 5 minutes on the training ground to sort out our league 2 defending of set pieces.
I said this before season started ange would drop off celtic were whipping boys in europe under him anyone can win scottish league even gerrard did ange is not that good
Do managers have a go at their coaching staff and give them the ''hairdryder'' treatment when things go wrong?
Apparently Ryan Mason has been left to deal with set pieces.
Why would he be when Miles Jedinak is the set piece coach?
every media is saying spurs have the two best CB in the premier yet spurs cant defend,
It is not a crime for not being good at set pieces for Ange!! But I think it's a crime for not hiring a good set piece coach in.
Simon is in love with levy, martin with arsenal
The difference is one is a knowledgeable, experienced and articulate expert in his field and the other is Simon Jordan.
Set pieces are important you can score goals in open play playing beautiful football but then conceding on dead balls what’s the point.
The marking for the first Chelsea goal was so lazy & poor, this should surely be coached. Keeper needs to give a shout to his defenders and start catching the ball...
That Spud "keeper" is the worst I've seen in the English top flight for decades mate. He's a vampire keeper, allergic to crosses and scared of contact in the 6 yard box. Around half of all goals are scored from balls coming across the 6 yard box one way or another so employing a goal keeper that can't deal with crosses is about as sensible as hiring Adam Johnson as a student councillor at a girls school.
The spurs keeper looks shaky at set pieces- and teams have picked up on it
It’s who we are mate
I haven’t watched this yet but am assuming SJ will defend Postman and Levy. Am I right?
If a multi million pound " Professional " footballer needs coaching on defensive set plays you've had your pants pulled down and been well and truly shafted.
What ever they are doing on the training ground not working
I don't think he does much on the training ground, just watches and very occasionally yells. Pre game talk and half time talks. No coaching between games.
Pep guardiola, Arsene Wenger, Sir Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourinho, Frank Beckenbaur, George Graham, Zidane and simeone all put set pieces as a high priority and won world cups, Champions leagues, multiple premier leagues, untold number of cups, domestic titles and European finals BUT Postacoglu doesn’t need to bother with them because he’s cracked the code apparently.
We only won the 99 champs league final by 2 corners in stoppage time they are so important espially when they have cost his team points recently and kept them away from top 4 which he should have been geting since he’s played less games than villa
Cease and desist!
Lots of key issues like not caring about or dismissed like being in top 4 or set plays is not a good look
ANGE MASTERCLASS 😍😍😍😍😍😍
Interesting how Simon suddenly jumps to the defense of Ange and he's doing so passionately, whaaat 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Love to hear Ange quoted the lyrics of Billy Joel's song ("You maybe right, I maybe crazy..."). Love to see him have a plan B (or C) for next season to be implemented in his team after established his plan A throughout this "lunatic" season.
Playoffs and u r fixated with the premiership you as a sports station are a disgrace
Has this channel turned into Talk Tottenham?
Comedy Chanel 😅
Martin is 100% right. Simon has put ange on a pedestal after half a season of football, and looks as if hes trying everything to not look foolish. If any other team had that start Simon would claim, they are having a moment in the sun, but when spurs did it he was basically saying, Ange was the best manager in the league apart from pep and klopp. The man is a absolute knob end, and thinks nobody else's opinion matters, and dont even get me started on his boxing knowledge, or I'll be here all day long.
I agree with the Arsenal man on Ange
The tottenham fans who criticize Ange are too short sighted. Compare tottenham now to before and they've never had it so good.
I think if memory serves me correctly Spurs have won one trophy in the last 33 years(the league cup) so that would work out at 3 trophies every century which for a team like Tottenham feels just about right😀
@@julianhodgson19613 trophies in the last 33 years, compared to 11 in the 30 years before that.
@@Eastlomond absolutely - as a Chelsea fan I was very envious of Spurs back in the 80s - Glen Hoddle was an absolute legend and he was partly responsible for turning Chelsea’s fortunes around which I shall be ever grateful for😀
Does anyone sees parallels between Ange's first season and Erik's ? Both are system based coaches that initially 'transformed' the way their clubs played - getting good results, being a breath of fresh air while walking into dysfunctional clubs. Like EtH, Ange's side is ambling towards the end of season having been found out by opponents.
Simon ALWAYS sticks up for his mate Levy.
If this was Arteta.......
“no one sensible was talking about them winning it” lol Jamie o’Hara was talking about them winning it
Well......that just proves Simon's point doesn't it?
@@armoris66 that's Wesley's point
At the start of these interviews Martin Keown always looks like a kid frantically doing his homework on the morning it needs to be handed in.
Manager of the year after 6m at the club and doesn't coach set-piece positioning...
Last season arsenal wasnt expected to be top 4 and yet bottled the league.... ange and spurs were top after 10 games and no team has ever not made top four from that position and yet Simon has nothing but praise 😂🤣😂 thats what being mates with the owner gets you lool
Ange is out of his depth needs backing this summer with better players and coaching staff, our board need to come forward with a statement regarding the clubs plan and if he is it. ATM they are letting him talk himself into a sacking in December. I hate to say it but ange is a top waffler the Aussie gimmick won’t work anymore maate .
Simon is right if Spurs fan were told they would be 5th in the league for Ange’s first season they would bite the hand off that position! I mean it’s Ange first season ffs! I’m sure Ange will come good! He is doing great and yes it’s not good losing but there are transition periods
By this logic, then why does the same Simon keep insisting Arsenal bottled the league last season when many of them at the start of the season didn't even see Arsenal as a top 4 contender?
@@abidemiolugbenga1739 Simon thinks Arsenal supporters are soap dodgers and the gutter of London possibly?
Set piece could win you the match last minute
Anges priority before set pieces is to make the inverted fullbacks and centre backs work properly. From a Celtic fan 🍀
Sorry Ange, you will NOT get away with it in this league mate ! Simon we talk about pep because he wins trebles ! Ange has not done that yet !
There's a bigger problem here. It's not just about set pieces although partly related. Spurs have leaked twice as many goals as the top 3 clubs while not nearly scoring twice as many. Alex Ferguson said: "Attackers win games but defenders win championships."
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Simon loves Tottenhamm, just come out already.
Spurs could become a force again if he sorted his set pieces it could make all the difference, I just wish daneil farke works on leeds set pieces its an integral part of the game.
I mean at least Spurs went ahead to go on an open top bus parade for winning Prem in October.. That's something to be happy about I guess 👍
Slow progress but heading in the right direction. Just need a few new faces in the summer and Spurs will be marching on. Calm down.
Some Spurs fans are a joke , so when they hit a rough patch under a new manager the best thing to do is get another manager 🤣. When you look at the Spurs squad you can literally
see other managers players failed players strecthing back from Pochettino and some of them are still on loan 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Read his book he goes into the set-pieces thing.
Known is right...
As a Spurs fan I do not see the way forward if Postecoglou doesn’t recognise that coaching is all about evolving to deal with problems. I do not have confidence that that is happening. I do accept that if you look at league placing only then none of us would have predicted a top 5 finish, but the reality of our recent form is that we are not much better than mid table. Personally, I sense that the players are not fully behind him (which is appalling) but too many players are off form. Son has been terrific for us over the years, but he is not a natural leader.
Love that Jim said when spurs were going on a run ‘we’ were talking about them winning it. And Simon says no one sensing he was talking about it. He just admitted they speak nonsense on here
Spurs fans are crazy. Ange isn’t perfect but he’s a good manager! I’d stick with him. It’s also only been one season.
I totally agree, I need a few laughs every season...
Quoting billy joel 😂….m8
Cracker pal, how did you work that one out?
The Australian Mike Bassett
I’m not being funny but an Australian premier league manager come off it!!
I'm from Australia mate at least my country stands up for a self unlike yours you have immigrants burning your flag shame😮😮
MK is spot on. Ange either changes or wins nothing he can talk all he wants about success but if you defend like his team are and you stay exactly the same when you go down to ten men then you are not managing well won’t win anything or last long in a top job.
i like simon, but please don't dismiss other opinions, i.e.usually martins, anyway i do hope arsenal win the league from a villa fan
I have a lot of time for Ange & I hope he gets it right at Spurs, but Martin is correct on this one & Ange needs to sort out his defence.
Sir Jordanite = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
Well said Simon