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Rallying is a 2 man job: the driver dances the thing around, and the codriver reads the pace notes previously taken to let the driver know what they have ahead
Dont forget about the mechanics, the unsung heroes, who have to fix and maintain the car between stages. Often right on crash site... Without them, even the best pilot duo cannot compete a full ralley event.
@@madrooky1398 Well, they don't drive that car on stages...
@@madrooky1398 yes, they are always left on the shadow despite the inmeasureable amount of work they put to get the car going on time. You have the best example of this on the incredible determination the guys from M-Sport put on when they got Tänak's drowned car up and running after going underwater in no time.
Still, that was not the point I was aiming with my comment, as I'm only explaining why the driver is not alone in the car and what's the purpose of its codriver.
Spectators Died, Drivers Died, It Was Banned, But For A Brief Few Years It Was Dubbed F1 In The Forrest, In The Mid Eighties They Where Running 1000HP Rally Cars, I Was There, What A Sound :-)
They never reached 1000. The Quattro was the most powerful at 600bhp
@@christopherflynn4094 You Sir, get a gold star for being correct
@Andy XxX yes 700 not 1000 like matey boy said
they tested the lancia S4 at 1000BHP on a dyno at full boost, but after 1986 when they banned them the group B cars were still used for pikes peak and rallycross where they were boosted more for shorter races
You Get A Fail For Using A Capital Letter To Start Each And Every Word. WTF!! WHY????
There’s a reason why NASCAR, Indy car and drag racing are pretty much an American only thing. Why would the rest of the world watch them when we have rallying ? Simply the best drivers in the world bar none.
Exactly. Who would you rather have as a getaway driver at a bank robbery, a rally driver or a NASCAR driver? The NASCAR driver would just go around in circles and end up back at the bank.
Go back in time & the NASCAR driver would be a good choice. NASCAR has its origins in the days of running moonshine, cars were tuned so they could out run the cops & that lead to competition to see who had the fastest car.
@@Kestrel626 That may well be true back then but we're talking about the here and now.
@@Kestrel626 driving in anticlockwise circles, in a field, in slightly tuned Road cars, in the 1920's isn't quite the same as driving a 500hp facyory racing built hatchback down a narrow logging track at well over 100mph with spectators literally touching your car as you go by.
@@user-ng2ps5hy4e I was just explaining a bit of history that most Brits are unaware of.
Group B was eventually banned because of deaths of spectators and racers.
It became a game called Carmageddon.
it was the rally teams from high up and the local politions and newspapers that fully put a nail n group b and heath n safety
Only the RS200 in Portugal, not the quattro :)
@@karlkuttup I agree they didn't need to ban it, they needed crowd control, better Roll cages,& Fire suppression. Minor changes really.
@@Kris_T_ they also needed shorter stages, especially at group B level the length of the stages and speed of the cars caused driver exhaustion that contributed a lot to the number of crashes.
"Some spectators are going to get hurt" Ford RS200 : Hold my spoiler...
When I saw that short clip of the RS200 I thought oh no here we go. That must have been the the only footage of the RS200 not murdering spectators
Driver and navigator, he gives the driver constant feedback on upcoming turns, jumps etc.
yeah and without looking at the road all done via the feel through the seat its crazy skillful
Yep and they both have to basically memorise it still, it'll be cues like "easy left, tightens, over a crest" sort of thing
Always amazes me how calm the navigators are
Don't forget the 9 and 12 year old in the back seat. They're only going to the shops.
ruclips.net/video/cxDz0Z066NI/видео.html
As Jeremy Clarkson once said, if you want to experience rallying as a spectator, stand in front of the fridge, in the dark and get someone to throw gravel at you
What? Why not just stand in the dark with someone throwing gravel at you. Where does the fridge come into it?
@@thegroovetube3247 maybe the sound of the fridge? idk
@@thegroovetube3247 Cold air
@@thegroovetube3247 it's cold. you're basically always freezing at a rally as they race in a lot of cold, wet or windy locations. i mean, even when racing in africa it's not rare to be racing high up in the mountains, so it'll be cold there too
Aah the late 70's and early 80's, when Health and Safety was considered a personal choice. When Fred Dibnah was climbing chimneys with nowt but a ladder and some huge plums, there were places called adventure playgrounds. These were essentially WW2 bomb sites that were never rebuilt on, which in the 50's and 60's, kids built huge towers, gangways, zip lines etc., all made from the rubble left by the bombs. By the 70's they were managed by adults, so when you fell out of a 60ft tree there was someone to call the ambulance, but even as a 10 year old, I helped build treehouses, zip lines, swings and so much more. Plus if you want to see how the UK used to view health and safety, look up The Witches Hat playground ride.
The council made us a castle out of sewer pipes and broken paving slabs with a massive slide, which the kids went down on bikes... Brilliant
A redesigned/re-engineered (and non-lethal) Witch's Hat is now available and offered to councils as of 2019.
Dibnah 'plums' bloody cannonballs that legend 😂😂👍👍
I remember the playground in our local park. Tarmac surface; a small slide and a large slide, (that we would often climb up on the outside of instead of going up the steps), A dome shaped climbing frame with the highest point being 12 foot off the ground, with sliding poles in the centre, a witches hat, (as mentioned), 2, 'banana', swings, a roundabout made of steel with wooden panels on the sides, 2 sets of swings with the seats being nothing more than moulded plastic, 'planks' and a see saw, again made of steel with wooden sides. All of which would probably be banned nowadays due to the, 'cotton wool', mentality of protecting children from harm, that's been adopted over the last 30 years.
they really were the good old days my friend
i had my childhood in the late sixties,throughout the seventies,back in the day,one of the rally stages were through our local forest,as you said,zero health and safety,we had locals crossing the gravel roads,up trees right next the bad corners,we pretty much did what ever took our fancy,yet there were no one hurt,most likely due to folk still ran on common sense,unlike these generations who have the state as nannies
i feel lucky,as i think my generation was one of the last,if not thee last generation,who had a great care free upbringing,at times life was rough and tough,but we were all the happier for it
happier simpler times !
To give you an idea of how big Group B rallying was in the 1980s, the Lombard RAC Rally here in the UK was a 5 day event in late November, starting on sunday morning. The first stage of Day 4 started on wednesday at 3:45am. The day officially ended at 3am on thursday! There was a rest stop in the middle, but it gives you an impression of just how challenging it was. The co-driver usually has the job of driving the car between on public roads between racing stages so the main driver can get some rest. All the "special stages" were usually packed full of spectators, even in the forests at 3am.
If in doubt flat out . The late great Colin McRae . Let's not forget the late Richard Burns both of whom were rally World Rally champions
Agreed!
Totally agree
Neither of them drove these cars though lol
What's also impressive is the time these cars were competing, there's some cars from at least the early 80's. Think how far technology was then compared to now 😂 they're mental 🤣
@@mustardtopdog9064 82 to 86 it lasted
Walter Röhrl the double World Rally champion is quoted as saying... "If you're not going round the corners sideways... then you're not going fast enough!"
the way that he destroyed Pikes Peak and the ballet of his footwork really is something to behold. One of the Great Unknown Drivers Walter Röhrl
The man that didn't want to be world champion and didn't like jumps.
Pretty sure Sebastien Loeb blew that statement out of the water.
@@tommy5675 What? Walter Röhrl unknown? On which planet?
@@adrianguggisberg3656 No you're right, Unknown is too much, Little Known is a better statement, and that's the pity, he was a genius, always on full attack but never pushing beyond into risk
Put a flux capacitor in that bad boy and your going back in time 😁😁. Great line. I like this guy.
Other person is "navigator". They sit and shout things like....
Left 30 left , hard right over crest....
Their job is just as impressive.
@Andy XxX 'Slow down, slow down, big bump soon, I feel sick, alright for you with a fekking wheel to hang onto,
let me drive next, just dropped my fekking sandwich now, just gonna change the CD, if you don't mind..........
Either that or they yell. "Slow down. You are breaking the car Samir"
@@rushinroulette4636 triple caution, TRIPLE CAUTION!!!!! :D :D :D
You keep saying he is hauling,but especially in the Audi's it may well be a she,watch "The fastest girl" on here,Michelle Mouton won rallys and won Pikes Peak as well.
She so nearly won the championship.
@@newtronix She missed some rounds to care for her father if I remember correctly.
Whenever I see a group B Quattro, my mind goes to her first before I think of anyone else.
@@AdventurousNomad007 her and Hannu Mikkola, they were my heros when I was a kid!
@@AdventurousNomad007 Walter Rohl
U gotta watch inside the car doing this, its mental
I remember one on-board clip I haven't been able to find since.
It was night and it was foggy, the foglights created a complete whiteout so they switched their lights off and drove by feel. XD
@@mickenoss Must have been Colin!...
All elbows and assholes.....
Sounds like a Mcrae thing 😂
It’s awesome being that close to the cars still today when they’re virtually running over
I have fond memories of marshalling at various stages of the Lombard RAC rally during the Group B era. No other form of motorsport has ever come close to the excitement of those cars.
Definitely ....I remember going too the Wollaton Park and chatsworth stages
There was nothing quite like the sound of a Group B Rally car going through the forests in the Welsh mountains on a wet drizzly day. Oh boy those memories.
"if you want to win, hire a Finn". The driving test in Finland basically requires you to be able to drive something like that, which means there's a large number of talented drivers there! Oh, and they don't need to salt their roads in winter...
Sniff sniff what’s that smell? Smells like BS to me.
@@mrmeaner3917 BS or not, most rally wins are by Finnish drivers
@@minion3806 nope. That would be France.
@@mrmeaner3917 Are you suggesting that the oracle of all things motoring Mr James May might have been exaggerating? At least, I'm sure he said something like that once upon a time...
@@abarratt8869 the Finns are 2nd but the French have more, not by much mind, but I did also see James May say that.
Man I used to watch the rally every Sunday when it was on TV. It strikes me as the most exciting racing there is, I wish there was more of an audience for it. This and Rally cross beat the heck out of F1 and NASCAR in my opinion.
The rally drivers just put any other drivers to shame tbh! Theyve got no fear at all, and jus immense talent and skill!
Thanks for reacting to this. There's footage of crowds literally clearing the track like the parting of the red sea as the driver's going flat out. Also worth watching is footage from inside, with sound, while a pro co-driver is reading the pace notes (and holding the beers). Very impressive!!
This video doesn't demonstrate the difference between Group B and every other type of rallying - at all. Those Group B cars were obscenely overpowered and so many drivers and spectators were killed they were called 'Killer Bs'. Eventually banned by the FIA and nothing has come close since.
Wrc cars today are ultimately faster than groub-b cars was.
@@thartsa79 yeah, they're just not as out of control as those beasts. Today's cars are faster because of aero, tires and suspension more than anything. They get insane traction, it looks like they're breaking physics. These boys had to use brute force to go fast.
@@sugoruyo Yes i agree. Just like Juha Kankkunen said “WRC is for boys, Group B was for men”👍
Honestly with our new innovations in handling we could actually get away with this much horsepower safely, group b still had awful tires, modern tires and aero would keep these way more planted
@@thartsa79 Group B is what happens when you lift the restrictions and foolishly allow the engineers off the leash. You end up with (glorious) madness. F1 at the time was the same - 1450bhp from a 1.5 litre 4-cylinder engine. Wheel spin after an upshift at 160mph. The 80s were amazing.
Man, group B was the apex of rally! It was insane, specially when you realize that there was no traction control or abs, it was pure skill and a manual gear box... Heck some of those cars didn't even have 4wd! Near the end, there where cars that didn't even reach a ton, and had over 500HP!! After all the accidents and all that, people started calling them, "The Killer B's"!!
Back in the day when racing cars were cool and every kid wanted one.
The kids just don't live life no more only live online
Should give Ari Vatanen dear god video a go. 75 per cent of the stage done flat out with a puncture.
Give a shout out to Finnish rally hero Hannu Mikkola, who passed away recently. Rip hannu❤️🇫🇮
classic
That is probably the most beautiful and unique thing to rally out of all Motorsports; you don't know who is crazier, the driver, the co-driver or the spectators !
I went to see group B. Probably 84/85. A forest stage above Swansea (Wales). 2am, freezing cold. Pitch black, hundreds of people in the darkness. Then the whistles and fire spitting blasts of noise as the cars went by. I can remember standing at an S-bend and the engines constantly blipping to keep the turbos spun up. My friend’s dad was Peugeot Rallye director so we also got to go to Service and watch the cars being taken down, suspensions rebuilt. Hell of a weekend!
10:02 my favourite part
100% I’m 17, I’ve known about group B since I was like 10 and I still remember the reaction I had when I first saw group b clips with my dad on a fucking vhs 😂
@@griffins5655 I should do a new video about Group B. Definitely
@@SuperMirco1998 Hell yeah!!!
@@SuperMirco1998 you do awesome work
@@TheEclecticBeard thank you!
0-60 MPH 3 seconds, any surface. Banned eventually as it was too dangerous. Some silly comments comparing this to NASCAR etc, they're different motorsports with different skills required.
The 80s was a power hungry decade for Motorsport 500hp rallycars and F1 cars with over a 1000hp. All with manual gearbox and big turbos. The BMW F1 engine was 1500cc 4banger making 1500hp in qualifying trim blows my mind still🤯
".... Some of them Spectators gonna be really really hurt"
Thats why there is no Group B rallying anymore...
It must be so comforting to know as a spectator standing in the road, that when these cars are coming at you like a bat out of hell, there is a race marshall blowing a whistle to let you know its on its way. 🙈
I used to live in a town with a rally pit stop point, the mechanics would put formula 1 to shame rebuilding the cars.
The stops were between stages on public roads. Awesome to see.
When you see wet and muddy, it's the uk rally usually Wales.
I would highly recommend looking up Colin McRae and Tommi Makinen
And im sure if mcrae and tommi makinen could have they would have done for me mcrae is the best rally driver to watch just non stop excitment
@Andy XxX I know
Just after you said that's great drift control @ 2.24 the move they did to get the car to start sliding round the corner is called the Scandinavian Flick. It's hard to say who was the originator but the Scandinavians perfected it to drift around corners in the snow.
They do this at night !!!!!!!.....priceless reaction :'-D :'-D. I loved Group B it was the magic era of rallying until it got banned.
"They do this at night"!! LMAO
Showing my age having owned 3 of those cars in my youth. Ford Escort, Renault 5 turbo & Peugeot 205 gti.
My first car was a Peugeot 205 Gti. My second car was a Peugeot 205 Gti.
Audi Quattro!
I’d give my left nut for a R5 turbo. My neighbour had one when I was a teenager, I used to sit and stare at it from my bedroom window. 🤤
@@Howling-Mad-Murdock mate had one back in the day, terrifying machine.
New era cars are scary fast on the corners. Montecarlo rally, ice and mountain roads. It had to be loved.
Imagine the selfie generation with this.
Yeah, dead, pretty much. Because with a selfie you aren't focused enough to jump out of the way early enough. :D
Definitely check out the Dakar Rally. Truck, cars and bikes across desert and hills over many days. Extreme!
Look up a segment from the Grand Tour where Clarkson talks about the battle between Audi and Lancia in th 83 championship, it is a really cool story.
Two people in the car: Driver and map reader. The map reader constantly reads out notes on what's up ahead to remind the driver, like how sharp turns are, if there's a jump and stuff like that.
My favorite part of all the Americans watching / reacting to this Group B video...
" AT NIGHT?! Y'all did this at NIGHT?! NAAAAAH!!!!"
On some rally stages spectators have been known to put things in the road. Like bikes and bricks to slow cars or drivers they don't like. Crazy to see how some stand on the road and move away at the last second. On the flip side spectators have been known to help immediately with crashes and breakdowns. Sometimes physically lifting cars back onto the road
You think muscle cars have power . Those are 2ltr engines putting out almost 700bhp
thats because they run on the tears of the widows of spectators and drivers, and they use the horns of demons as turbo housings. (Plus, these cars also had to carry the massive ballsack of both driver and navigator)
I get it was dangerous, but I still think men's motorsport died the day grB was canceled. Now its just child play compared to this.
@@rrs_13 not just the men . One of the fastest audi group B drivers was a woman . They were all nuts .
With modern brakes and suspension maybe we could get group B back .
Group B is really legendary, every weather, every terrain every season.
Nothing to lose and everything to prove, with almost no restrictions put on the modifications of the car.
Just be faster than the others.
That also meant being the most daring and apt Pilots.
It was like man and machine melded together as a Unit.
That was also what the copilot was for, taking a workload off the drivers so they can hyperfocus on the road and the car.
They are basically navigators giving short and precise instructions for what the next turns are gonna be like and other obstacles, road conditions.
Just mindboggling performances by a great duo and machines being pushed to, and sometimes beyond, their limits.
No surprise, one of those Cars STILL holds the world record for Pikes peak, the unbeaten Legendary Quattro and Walter Röhrl
This is the best and funniest rally reaction I have seen so far 🤣
Quatro's, 5 Turbo's, Lancia's... That crazy group B Metro... The golden years of rally. It would be nice to see something like this again. Health and safety gone mad...
Your right ,some real iconic cars there 👍
@@ASH.......................1976 I forgot about the Escort RS200 too... Shame on me...
@@thebolsta well then,that's shame on me too,I did !👍,I remember the RS 200 but I think that was a bit later ?
@@ASH.......................1976 There was definitely a group b RS200... And the Peugeot 205, that was a beast.
@@thebolsta it was ,I might be wrong but didn't they rally lada riva's back then ?
Oher person is navigator. The driver has no idea what is coming as he is keeping control of the there and then!!
That makes sense
@@TheEclecticBeard also bear in mind that they have never driven that route before
@@TheEclecticBeard Unfortunately during the era of 'Group B' in the 80s, rally fans in Europe were out of control and hard to 'police' for the rally organisers. As you just saw! It was never that bad, here in the UK.
@@tomwainwright7102 They do pre drive the route before. They go in a "normal" road car, and drive the road and the driver gives what he thinks the notes should be at racing speed(co-driver writes them down). They then run the course again with the notes to check if they need any changes.
The stages are normally on public roads, so anyone can just drive last years course to learn the roads(though at high level you wouldn't ever do this as you are going from country to country).
@@coast2coast00 To add to what you said about recon, they get fined if they speed during the recon drive(s). They can also be stopped by police for breaking any traffic laws during those drives. Same with then they are driving between stages. They are on open public roads and have to follow all traffic laws.
Group B was the summit of the World Rallye Championship. The golden age. Safety comes after some deadly accidents, specially when Henri Toivonen and his copilot died in a Delta S4 when racing Corsica rally in 1986. And that category was finally banned. Lancia 037 and Delta S4, Audi Quattro, Ford RS200, Peugeot 205 T16, Renault 5 Turbo, MG Metro 6R4, Citroen BX 4TC... cars with more than 500 hp, barely 1 ton, without any driving aid, manual shifting, no power steering, no anti-lock brakes, no traction controls.... driving those hell machines through the crowd and narrowest roads around the world, was one of the scariest things a human could do. And most exciting.
I recommend you the video of Ari Vatanen climbing Pikes Peak driving a Peugeot 405 T16. And the video from Amazon Prime where Jeremy Clarksson, hoster of the most populat TV show about cars Top Gear, tells the rivality between Lancia and Audi.
ruclips.net/video/UEuZG37gFdM/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/6lo4dGTrzr8/видео.html
The in car video stuff is killer when you can hear the navigator telling the driver what corners,jumps etc are coming up next !
TT racers are craziest, those rally spectators are close 2nd followed by the rally drivers in 3rd. The group b cars had 600hp+, and the series got banned after spectators and drivers died in a series of accidents in the 1st year.
Group B lasted from 1982-1986
The crowd are that close for when the cars crash and flip they turn them upright so the car can race on. Look at rally crashes and you'll see that plus the navigation is something else to listen to
Thanks for the RAID party appreciate it immensely!! Thanks to you and Blake TV for making my day. Cheers my friend!!
Iv done the rally of Wales you won't believe how loud they sound for cars and the speed in all weather is insane
We get those maniacs racing round the forest tracks where I live in Scotland. They have huge balls.
they do not handbrake into a drift like "driftcars" do, these are full on momentum only.
scandinavian flick
"THEY DO THIS AT NIGHT!?" died right here.
TWO PEOPLE IN THE CAR, ONE DRIVER, ONE NAVIGATOR.
Some of the best drivers are Finnish Part of their driving license is on dirt
I think the car to beat was the 4 wheel drive audi quatro
It looks the fasteston the video too..
The Quattro was big and heavy.
Soon as everyone else sorted out their 4 wheel drive systems, 205s/S4s and the like ruled.
The main difference was that the Audi, like most rally cars before that, was built from a road car. The Peugeot 205 T16 was a purpose-built mid-engine racing monster, which for marketing reasons externally resembled a stock 205. Lancia Delta S4 on the otherhand did not even resemble the civilian one that much, even externally.
yep ralley is 2 people : 1 driver and a copilot that reads the instructions
Now these guys ARE the best drivers in the world!!
They'd change most of the running gear every day lol.. Group B cars were eventually banned because of a succession of spectator and driver deaths.. was exciting to watch but fucking scary..
If you’d watch the link I posted the other day it gave you the history and story behind the main cars within Group B and why it ended......spectators deaths and soon after driver & co-driver......it was just too dangerous with 450bhp+ 4WD and unrestricted rules....
I don't know what link you posted but I bet that video was 10 times better than this shitty one.
@@Module79L - ruclips.net/video/pPk90JZqWM8/видео.html
@@jno5 - That's the one I was thinking of. : )
Funny story... Back in those days you could not enter a car into the Rally Championship unless you made 500 road legal versions of that car... So Lancia took the judges and showed them about 250 cars they had. They told the inspectorate the others were over at the factory. On the way to inspect the other cars the Lancia bosses insisted they stopped off for lunch. This gave them just enough time for the previous 250 cars to be moved to the new checking area.
When i was a kid i was almost mowed down by a Lancia Delta at a rally... IT WAS AWESOME!!!
Check out the Dakar Rally.
That's not narrow, look up Welsh Road rallying, all done through the night pulling 3 figure speeds in roads alot tighter than that.
3 figure speeds? No... Roadrallying is timed at an average speed of 30mph. In wales maintaining 30 average is difficult hence your perception of speed, lots of switch back single track lanes, tracks and farm yards.
@@mickmonaghan8551 That is all just to slow you down, as with code boards, passage controls, so that to keep up the the 30mph you have to go some to make up this time between these.
@@richrdlewis6278 not "3 figure" speeds though. Poor organisation of route if you can lol
Hardly poor for the drivers, the na sayers of road rallying maybe. ;)
Yep, the old group B Audi's were stunning to watch. Poets on rubber.
I wanted a quatro so bad until i left school and realised how much they cost
Used to regularly go to the welsh MSA/WRC stages back in the day - always spectated on the inside of the curves, not the outside! Never got to see the gravel/alpine stages in Scandanavia, easily the most challenging.
GroupB was certainly the golden era, the spectators in Portugal were the real danger though, they would get drunk and try to touch the cars as they passed, one driver found a severed finger in his door mirror, the RS200 in 1986 in Portugal driven by local man Joaquim Santos drove into the crowd out of control, Three died instantly including a mother and her 11-year-old son. Another child was killed, and one person died later in hospital.
Scattered around the car, 32 more were seriously injured. then the fatal crash in Corsica with the lanciaS4 with Henri Toivonen and co-driver Sergio Cresta left the road and exploded into a fireball with them trapped inside, Attilio Bettega driving another Lancia the 037 got killed the previous year also in Corsica when he left the road and hit a tree, the co-driver survived though, but there were a few more fatalities in the years ahead after the FIA GroupB ban, no such thing as safe motorsport, the crowd control was the real issue from poor organization, but if you check out marvedogger2 and amjayes 2 here on you tube, they have the best rally content on these old groupB cars
Each class had different
weight limits, maximum tyre sizes, etc. The most important classes for
Group B were the 3000 cc class (2142.8 cc with turbo or supercharger),
960 kg minimum weight (Audi Quattro, Lancia 037) and 2500 cc (1785 cc),
890 kg (Peugeot 205 T16, Lancia Delta S4).
Love your understanding of the difficulty levels of these rallies 👍🏻👍🏻
The British Rally (RAC) used to go through my home town Hawick. They had a refreshment stop in the car park next to the High School. We used to watch them go past then go wonder about the cars at lunchtime. The Stage is called Craik Forest. There are a few videos on you tube, I haven't seen any I can recommend. This forest is also home to a waterfall with the cool name Wolfcleuch (wolfclue) A cleuch is a narrow ravine. It's a cracking walk up, even though it's a managed forest so all pine trees. The Forest owners have made public walkways (even a wee playpark) up to the Waterfall.
There's always 2 people in the car. The driver and the navigator who is constantly reading out information on how hard to turn, brake, accelerate and when there are jumps or obstacles.
Someone may have already mentioned that Rally always has 2 persons in the car; driver (obvs!) and co-driver reading out the pace notes like a Sat-Nav on steroids..."100 tight hairpin left, tightens on exit caution, don't cut; rocks on inside into 70 3 right over crest into long 4 left over loose gravel, 200 into dip, water hazard, through gate, building on left..." sorta thing
The engine inside the Group B Ford RS200 could only be run at full power for 10 hours before needing to be rebuilt. Pretty good durability considering they pulled 600 hp from a 1.8 in the late 80's.
They used to find fingers in and on the cars. Fans would sometimes try to slap the cars as they went by.
A driver has said (about the spectators) that, "They are only trees to us. You don't want to hit a tree. If we think they are people then we cannot drive."
Few more fun fact: the single race can take couple of days, and is split into stages, sometimes there is very little time between stages so if your team manages to change the clutch while you try to take a power nap (while crashing from being amped up with adrenaline) then yes you will have a fresh clutch - however - in most cases while driving, something will get damages in suspension so everybody is scrambling to fix that. Another fun fact is that since those races are so long in distance (and not going around in gigantic bowl), drivers are not able to remember the whole course (and it's changing very often) so they are prepared to take weight penalty and have a navigator ... so all those drifts that you see are done blind, based only on navigator readout of corner notes.
They do "rally driving experience" days here in the UK where you can have a go driving sideways yourself, it's insane fun, takes part on a track marked out with old tyres on a grit covered field so it's very safe, unlike many driving experience days they encourage you to push the limits, and if you break the car they just swap you into another!
I'm waiting for lockdown to finish so I can book another one with Gloucester Rally School :)
Flywheels, clutch, brake, changes.... and more importantly a new pair of pants!
I know someone probably already told you, but in rally there's a driver and co-driver and the co-driver reads out pace notes so the driver knows what kind of corner is coming up. Great video btw.
Somewhere on RUclips is video of Walter Rohrl driving the audi rally car...he is literally dancing on the peddles! Well worth a watch to appreciate the skill of these drivers
I only really watched Rallying growing up, Group B was an amazing time and truly set the men from the boys.
i grew up right next to a rally course in a place called clocaenog forest. rugby and rally were always the biggest sports in our area
The person in the passenger seat is the co-driver. He is reading up pace notes so the driver knows where to go. Take the Finnish Arctic Rally, for example (it replaced the Swedish rally due to Covid 19 restrictions). The last stage was 22km long. It's impossible to memorize all corners, jumps and crests and then make a 10 minute run.
That Quatro is Class 🤪🤪😘
Group B Rally was a freak show on overload...
These cars had in the area of 500bhp, (These cars was most small hatchbacks Peugeot 205, Renault 5, MG Metro etc.) huge amount of boost and little to no safety regulations.
Think about that the driver is not 100% aware of the course, but the co-driver has it all on notes, that he feeds to the driver, just before turns, jumps etc.
Group B Rally quote: If you're not terrified, then your not going fast enough.
I once went on a tour of the M Sport factory (they prepare Fords rally cars) - would be as happy to have an operation on any of their work benches as I would in any hospital operating theatre.
Navigator reads prepared instructions. Same sheet for all the drivers. Drivers may not even have been round there before. Insane.
Rally driving does involve two in the car, you have the driver, and the navigator - the latter will basically shout instructions to the driver about upcoming corners - they are usually rated from 1 (sharpest) to 6 (basically a virtually flat out bend) and might have additional modifiers - Long (carries on turning beyond normal corners), Tightens or Opens (means what it says) or Don't Cut (might be a wall or rocks on the inside of the corner posing a hazard if the driver cuts the corner a bit...)
What gets me is that if you look at the in car footage from modern rallies the navigator is reading the notes for a couple of couriers ahead and occasionally the driver will modify the notes for the turn they are in, especially if they are repeating the stage
Used to watch these drivers in Keilder Forest on the Scottish/English border. They raced in the Lombard RAC rally at night, full speed and on gravel roads. The speed was incredible given the conditions. All us spectators ever saw was the bright lights up front and the orange glow of their brake discs. A lot of the best drivers came from Northern Europe where skills were honed in the forests or on snow.
In Rally you have the driver and the navigator. The navigator will call out the speed and turn angles i.e. easy left 90mph in 100m, hard right 45mph in 200m etc. they also warn the driver of any dips, bumps and jumps. They map out the track pre-race and have the info jotted down on a piece of paper ready to be called out.
There will never be racing quite like this again, I wish I could've seen these races in person
It was a little before my time for Group B, but I got to see the Group B cars second life in Rallycross, and live too, as my dad used to do something called Bilcross, I think it's just translated as being Folk Rally, basically stock street cars with safety gear used in the same way as Rallycross cars, but that's beside the point.
They got put to use in Rallycross afterwards, and they were proper nuts, and it's because of the AWD Audi in Rallycross that most rally cars swapped to AWD, a Norwegian driver back in the day, Martin Schanche, or Mr. Rallycross as people knew him as, got annoyed by the Audi Quattro and built his own AWD in an MK3 Ford Escort, and then more and more followed, and it got incredibly competitive and amazing to watch.
Imagine a rally class where cars weighed about 2000 pounds, all wheel drive, sequential transmissions, and sub 2 liter engines with 400-650 horsepower... that’s group b, where literally anything goes as long as it has the safety equipment and less than 2 liter engine displacement
Yes two people in all cars, driver and co-driver/navigator. This class of rallying, Group B, was discontinued in 1986 after a number of fatalities.