The P14 Rifle Explained
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- (23 Sep 1940) The new P14 and P17 rifles are demonstrated to the Home Guard.
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The unloading at the end is exceptional. Very Boss.
Should add look inside to ensure no round is in the mag or chamber to complete the unload before pushing the bolt forward and firing the action.
@@chrissheppard5068 The Rifle Enfeild P14 No3 was a target rifle taken to war, the SMLE Rifle No1 Mk3 , (pre 1921 nomacleture) was battle rifle you can shoot targets with. Actually all the P14's and the US variant the .30/06 chambered P17 were built in America. Though by WW2 the P14 left in commision had been renovated at the British Walden Arsenal.
@@chrissheppard5068 Maybe worth checking that again, if he had worked the bolt and nothing came out that last time, it was empty.
@@chrissheppard5068 How about at night? Look at his left thumb at 2:51, he's confirming the chamber is clear by feel. If there was a round there it would come up and he'd feel it.
@@georgemorley1029 Actually he's just pushing the magazine follower down to allow the bolt to close.
That Sgt instructing is Most likely dead now but he was a good instuctor and polite.
it depends on what year he was born in.
@@columnedfox5508 Gotta be at least in his late 90s if he's still alive!
He was polite for the camera as his officer told him to be. Politeness is not a hallmark of NCOs - even good ones. He may be dead but he does get to live on in internet memory for a while.
Back to those times when Sergeants looked and behaved like today's top tier lawyers
There is a CWGC record for a WO2 William Stratford of the Queen's Royal Regiment with details of the inscription. It reads 'TREASURED MEMORIES OF A DEAR HUSBAND AND DADDY'. That rather hurts my heart.
Originally I bought one of these for a group costume last years costume was Dads Army I got to be Walker and after a few hunts and target practices I fell in love with it truly a fantastic yet under rated rifle.
So you carried a real rifle as part of a costume?
@@sam8404 can think of worse reasons to get a rifle.
@@sam8404 probably was converted into a drill rifle
Excellent instruction !
Love seeing these clips.
An excellent demonstration! Another small difference the P14 & P17 had compared with the SMLE Mk 3 was that with no rounds in the magazine the spring platform had to be depressed in order to close the bolt. It is interesting that the Sgt. can be seen depressing the platform but he made to mention of it.
Peter 99 was made in age that assumed when you attempted to close the Bolt And it did not close due to the follower you would know to depress the follower ...it was a different time.
When BSA converted the P14s to sporting rifles around 1949+ they chamfered off the back of the base plate so the bolt would slide over it. I trained in BSA's Cost Office for three months in 1950 and the staff told me that Enfield had forgotten they had a huge store of P14s andP17s. It would be interesting to know why the British government bought these Mauser type rifles with five round magazines. It sounds like a cock-up.@@treyriver5676Enfield liked to put EN on all the British weapons but BSA did all the real work. Parts for the Bren were made at BSA's new factory at Mansfield. I was given some Czech coins by one of the Czech technicians who was at BSA Armoury Road, Birmingham plant to help set up production of the Bren. I must have been about eight when my father showed me how it worked. BSA also made a lot of Stens. My uncle was the superintendent at the factory. While I was at BSA Armoury Road I visited the BSA Shirley factory where 1,250,000 Number 4s were made and the research chief showed me the Sten replacement he was working on, probably the Stirling.
The Home Guard waited a long time to get weapons. Most of my family worked for BSA at some time, in every level from works cleaner to works manager. I was born in a company house in the middle of the Armoury Road complex which with its adjacent Coventry Road site totalled 1.4mn square feet. BSA fans claim it was the biggest industrial complex in the world but that may be an exaggeration. In 1940 it had the only barrel mill in Britain and the Luftwaffe destroyed it on 26th August 1940. BSA lost more machine tools in that raid than were lost in the whole of the Coventry Blitz, terrible as that was. We did not yet have a shelter so I cowered under the stairs during the raid, one of at least 72 on Birmingham, the history books tell me. Coventry provided very good propaganda, aimed at the Americans but the media were forbidden by a 'D' Notice even to mention the word 'Birmingham'. By the end of the war 400,000 workers were making weapons in Birmingham.
@@geoffreygardiner9564 " It would be interesting to know why the British government bought these Mauser type rifles with five round magazines. It sounds like a cock-up." It is what was available as part of Lend-Lease. They also received Canadian Ross rifles.
@@geoffreygardiner9564 In 1910 the War Office started to look for a replacement for the SMLE rifle, one of the rifles considered was a Mauser action in .276 calibre. It was manufactured in small numbers and troop tested. Results were generally favourable and if the First World War had not happened the P.14 may well have replaced the SMLE. As it was, the P.14 was produced in .303 as a second line rifle and, in small numbers, as a sniper rifle. See 'The Lee Enfield Rifle' by Major E G B Reynolds.
@@1960imp The real reason is that an internal magazine was preferred by many during the design phase in the early 1910's. The SMLE magazine was famously easy to damage, and they decided to mitigate the problem. The British didn't truly design the P14 so much as adapted a Springfield 1903, which was the first actual base rifle they made their modifications to. It was a lot easier to simply not alter the design for a detachable magazine, which were never used as 'detachable' in modern meaning anyway, as soldiers were provided with very few if even more than only one magazine.
One of the finest rifles made.
"Many of them made in America..." with the exception of a some samples made for testing, practically ALL of them were made in America, Leslie, old boy.
The rifles Enfeild P14 No3 were built in US to an original trials design chambered in Enfeild .276. There was no manufactuering available in UK so Winchester, Rockwell and Eddystone were contracted, with $21 million up front to manufactuer. They never did get the gauging sorted out and the rifle parts were not interchangable, so each serial number is prefixed W, R, or E. When the contarct finshed in 1917 the US entered the war with very few (springfeild A3 rifles, so UK sold them the production lines for $8 million. The rifle was rechambered for the US .30/06 cartridge and became Rifle Enfeild P17. During WW2 both were issued to Home Gaurd, the P17 had a red 2 inch band around the stock to distinguish it, as both are visually identical.
@@51WCDodge Actually, the "R" was for Remington. And since Eddystone was a division of Remington, the R and E models were compatible. It was the W or Winchester built rifles that were not compatible with the other two. The situation was so bad, US armorers were complaining they didn't want any more of those "W" guns.
@@BigGayAl56 Yet in Britsh service they were consiidered the superior weapons. Mine is a W gun, and marked with the T roundel for a issue as a scoped rifle. Though many were used with iron sights as sniping rifles. The type continued in use bettween the wars, being replaced by the N04 T
@@BigGayAl56 The reason the Winchester parts weren't interchangeable: Winchester started production so quickly on the new design, that they beat the interchangeability campaign for the rifle. They're good guns, and Winchester was very capable, but it wasn't worth slowing production to redo all the new tooling, jigs, etc. The American armorers can hand fit some parts when needed, but the American military smartly required interchangeable parts, unlike the hand fitting and fiddling of the European guns of the time. Even the Krag rifle had interchangeable parts.
The instructo rsounds exactly like Michael Caine.
No, Michael Caine sounds like the instructor 😉
I love my smle and no4, but the p14 is a laser beam. I shoot it quite a bit. I did put a taller front sight on though. That 400 yard battle sight is rediculous for 200 and under. Hard to use on anything that's not a giant silhouette of a body...can't use the ladder sight now though. But its good out to 250 with a simple holdover now.
The M1917 had a red stripe round the butt to distinguish it from the otherwise identical looking P14. The reason being it was chambered for the rimless 30.06 round and if a rimmed .303 was inserted it would chamber but couldn't be removed as the extractor was designed for a rimless round. If a 30.06 was inserted into a P14 it wouldn't chamber as it was longer than the .303.
Brilliant stuff!!!!
probably the single best aspect of the P 14 that doesn't get enough credit is the forward locking lugs which allow reloaders a real chance at normal brass life which is otherwise significantly shortened when shot out of the number one mark three or the number four
Not much wrong with a P14. Good enough for 1914/18, pretty much good enough for anything!
Very nice. :)
1:32 Interesting that he referred to it as a "clip", and not as a 'charger', which was the standard British term.
@Michael Doolan Could be, but they changed the rifle designation from M1917 to P17, and they called the cartridge .30 inch instead of .30-06, so they don't seem to have been overly tied to American terms.
@Michael Doolan P14 was cock on close, same as the Lee Enfield
@Michael Doolan It is, but it was modified by the British to be cock on close.
@Michael Doolan It is. It's also cock-on-close.
It they would only explain the lack of windage adjustment in the P-17....
That's extremely common on early military bolt action rifles. Everybody made the windage adjustment on their rifles by drifting the front sight and left it alone. If I'm not mistaken, the only major country to put windage adjustment on military rifle type leaf sights was the US. Particularly with the Krag-Jørgensen and 1903 Springfield. They had windage knobs on their leaf sight. My assumption is that this was to allow US service members to compete in National Match shooting competition with their service rifle.
So there was official reference to the M1917 as the P17.
I had heard it referred to as the P17 and figured the term was of British origin. After all, they did invent that fantastic rifle. We just made them in 30-06.
Lazer Pig, at some Point is or Has a Dad's Army Study Video coming This Helps drive that interest. C&Rsenal has a study Watch it.
BREECH WIT NO BOLT
Why aim lower at 200 but not 400? Because the bullet is still travelling upwards.
All the home guards could make out was *safety* *catch* *safety* *catch* *safety* *catch*
All P14 (Rifle Enfeild P14 No3) were built in USA. There were three manufactuers Winchester, the best of the bunch, Eddeystone and Rockwell. Due to the speed of manufactuer, and requirment the parts are not interchangable s9o each rifle serial number is prefixed W, E or R. By the time the contract finished in 1917 , the U had entered the war, and needed a rifle. Britian sold them the production lines for $8 million (They had cost about $21 million to set up) The dsign was easily altered from the British .303 rimmed round to the US .30/06 rimless and became rifle Rile Enfeild P17 , the most numerous US Great War Rfile. In WW2 the Home Gaurd issued P17, chambered in the US .30/06 had a red stripe 2 inches wide painted on the butt, visually the rifles are identical. Winchester manufacture were prized as optical and non optical sniper rifles.
Not Rockwell. Remington .I have a Remington p14 has RE 07743 stamped on the receiver Bolt, barrel , & butt plate. Remington made 400,000 P14 rifles Cheers
The P14 was more popular in the US than the beloved Springfield? I think I am going to call my therapist and adjust my meds. We Marines mostly used the M1903A3, with which you could shoot a flea off a dogs butt at 200 yards. The Marines used some P17 mostly made by Winchester in WW1. After WW1 the Marines turned in all their P17 as they preferred the accuracy of the M1903A3 Springfield and used it all the way to Vietnam as a sniper rife.
That being said, the P17 is a pretty decent rifle.
@@jbb9643 The M1917 was actually more accurate as it had a longer (by two inches), heavier barrel. The USA, after WW1, decided to standardise back on the M1903 which is why they returned them, although they continued to be sporadically issued through into WW2, for example chemical mortarmen early in WW2, e.g., in North Africa, some rear-areas drivers and so on as late as 1944. Not only was it it used by Britain as Lend Lease, marked with a red band, but also by Free French.
There's at least one photo of a WW2 Marine sniper in action in the Far East in 1942 with an M1917 without scope, although that seems to have been somewhat unusual
@@wbertie2604 Well, that is interesting, about the P17 being more accurate, but give it a break, sights that start at 400 yards when the vast majority of combat is well within 300 yards? The 03A3 was a solid battle rifle :) Rumors of the WW2 Marines praising the accuracy of the Springfield over the Garand come right from the horses mouth. I served with WW2 era Marines 68-77. Although, I doubt a single one of them would have chosen a Springfield over an M1 unless they were snipers.
@@jbb9643 The apeture sight on the P14 and M1917 make it much more suitable for close-in fighting than the original M1903 and M1903A1 sight. Given the training seen in the film clip, there's not really any difference whether the sighting is a 300 or 400 yards.
I have a .270/303 in P14 - nice rifle but too heavy.
I have one in 410 shotgun
Wait a moment, enemy, I need, like, three minutes to load this rifle...
It's a charger loader. Every army that ever went up against even a skirmish line of magazine rifles all said they were shocked by the sustained volume of fire, there was no question that they could remain in the open.
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I think I've read somewhere this rifle was supposed to replace the Lee Enfield, but that the outbreak of WW1 prevented that?
Yes that’s correct. They were used in the first war but no where near as much as the mk3. It would have been a logistical nightmare to try and phase out a rifle at the beginning of the war so it didn’t happen.
Originally there was going to be a whole new cartridge the Enfeild .276. The round nosed .303 Mk6 ammunition being inferior to the Spitzer Mauser 7.92 (Why do the Yanks call it 8mm?) The Spitzer Mk7 .303 cured that. The P13 was cheaper to manufactuer and had rear appature peep sight, but half the ammunition capacity, and it was a long rifle. During the Great War with capacity maxed out the UK appraoched then neatueral US manufactueres to produce a rifle based on the P13 but chambered for .303, the Enfeild Rifle P14 No3 . After the contracts were complete the production lines were sold to the US, the dsign rechambered for .30/06 and became Enfeild Rifle P17. The most nemuerous US rifle in the Great War. for Home Gaurd use a two inch red band was painted around the stock of P17 to differnatiate the chambering. Both are identical to look at.
@@51WCDodge The .276 is actually a response to the 7x57 (7mm Mauser).
@@51WCDodge we call it 8mm mauser because we just rounded it up really.
@@51WCDodge We call it 8mm because we are Yanks. We never did figure out the Metric system, but we have put a few astronauts on the moon.
Drink a pint for me mate! I would pay for it if I could!
I thought the person in the thumbnail was a woman lol
P14 rifle....crap in the mud but better than a broom handle with carving knife attached.
Tell me something Sergeant York, when was the last time you fired either a P.14 or P.17 in the mud?
just remember to take off the broom head.
Why don't they go with semi-auto like the M1? Same years as the latter was invented and produced
resource and logistical constraints
These were WWI-era rifles, as their designations imply. They were only "new" in that they were being widely issued to the Home Guard militia for the first time.
As mentioned, logistical constraints. Plus even if they had lots of M1s they'd have sent them to their front line units first. This film was part propaganda to make the Brits feel good about the Home Guard and maybe impress a German spy or two. In reality the Home Guard was mostly old men, teen boys,, and walking wounded veterans. Brave and determined to be sure but only fit to deploy against the Wehrmacht if things were truly desperate. (Which might've happened in 1940 but for the RAF and Hitler's insane decision to go after Russia instead)
These were WW1 rifles. The UK did trial M1s in the gas trap format prior to WW2 but rejected them partly because they failed the mud trials, and partly because they really needed to use rimless ammunition and close to WW2 that wasn't really an option. The UK actually considered adopting 7.92x57 post war.