British Pattern 1914 .303 Rifle: History, Overview And Shooting
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Bloke takes a friend's .303 P14 rifle (aka Rifle, No.3 Mk.1 (W)) out to the range and blathers a lot about it before finally getting down to some hot shooting action. The P14 rifle was a modification of the Pattern 13 Trials Rifles from before WW1, which fired a ridiculous .276 / 7mm cartridge at what were, for the era, rather high velocities (165 gn at 2800 fps). When War Were Declared, the British asked Winchester and Remington to produce them as emergency reserve arms. All in all, they delivered 1,117,850 of them. In WW1 they were used in training and as marksman and sniper rifles. In WW2 some of the sniper rifles were still in use, particularly early on.
The Mad Minute with the P14 is for another video.
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Enfield P14 / Pattern 14 / No.3 .303 rifle
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BotR: "This is going to be the longest video on the P14 ever"
Othias: "Hold my beer."
Oisin Creaner war were declared
Othias'... vids are better, although he tends to be long winded also mate!
Ralph ditore BUT, you get the full history...
Ralph ditore , both Bloke and Othias do a wonderful job and have completely different intention. Othias is a wonderful historian with a smattering of shooting for function. Bloke's approach is a wonderful shooting functionality with a smattering of history. Since I shoot all mine enought to where I am interested in the history, I need to watch both of em.
Oisin Creaner Nikolas Lloyd : pfhh you call that long?? (yeah I know, he ain't a gun guy, but he is the most infamous long video producer on youtube with no cuts, he wins Sam Mendes).
The main lesson from this should be: " if you've got half a million rifles you don't use, stick them in a warehouse, don't scrap them because you never know"
Poland also used P14 during polish - soviet war 1920 and then in the border guard, police and military adoption till 1939.
A couple of years ago I had the pleasure of meeting a former Home Guard Sergeant who was in the same platoon as my grandfather (both were in reserved occupations) and like every other Home Guardsman I've spoken to, he loved the P14. Interestingly after the war they were given the opportunity to purchase these weapons for the princely sum of £10, and he took up the offer and continued to shoot his P14 at the local rifle range until old age caught up with him.
£10 in 1945 is equivalent to £422 today, according to an inflation calculator!
The benefits of coming from a farming family I guess!
My father was in the Home Guard, also a sergeant, I don't know if he had the opportunity to buy his rifle for £10, but I wish he had, and had done so!
The American version in .30-06 Calibre made by Eddystone is scary accurate, functions well after immersion in mud and in my opinion probably the best battle rifle of World War I. Not an accident it was what Alvin York was shooting when he won his Congressional Medal of Honor in World War I. Performed spectacularly in the Phillipines at the beginning of World War II also.
Quality blathering, certainly a highlight for a Thursday night
When Pershing's gang of US soldiers joined the trenches in 1918, they were armed with M1917 (P-14s chambered in 30'06 and Sgt. York used one to kill 11 enemy soldiers and take 37 prisoner at "something wood" battle .
I have its American counterpart in .30-06. Excellent rifle.
The most accurate rifle that I have had the pleasure to fire.
Ths pain was too much tho, so I sold it. I am skinny.
Donnie Smith The 30-06 version is called the P17 rifle
@@TH3PLA1NP1L0T "P17" was an informal term never used by the U. S. military. The official designation was Rifle, M1917. Regardless of what you call it, however, it's a really nice rifle. I have two, both of which will shoot rings around my M1903 and M1903A3. For whatever reason, it just drops into a perfect alignment when I shoulder it and the sights are really excellent compared to the '03. Someday I hope to shoot a P14 in .303 caliber .
Kelton Oliver is it less recoil if it’s a
.303 cartridge?
@@TH3PLA1NP1L0T , felt recoil will be about the same. Slightly heavier bullet (.303) vs. higher velocity (30-06)... essentially a wash.
As a very awesome genltman once said, "rimmed, for the extractors pleasure".
Dugan Ashley... I miss that guy
The awesomest of gentlemen
You are a man of culture sir
Well done!
I took my P14 to the range last weekend. It’s a pleasure to shoot and at 200 yds very accurate, I agree about the sight picture. Way ahead of its time.
I own a P 14 303 rifle, still has its volley sights, I shoot it on a regular basis at our local club using gas checks with a reduced powder charge, then on military rangers i use factory loads. My rifles history, it was in storage in WW1 but issued to a London Home Guard section WW2, I acquired it quite a few years ago and it shoots as good as if new.
Out of interest, how do you know the rifle's history?
A week ago, I found an M1917 in a pawn shop. It was sporterized, and had the rearsight replaced with a metal strap with a couple of holes in it. I died a little on the inside.
The M1917 was very popular for sporterizing after the Great War because of its extremely strong action. Professional gunsmiths even built big/dangerous game rifles on the '17. Unfortunately, because they were cheap, Bubba did a lot of work on them as well.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Rear sight replaced or the metal strap welded on? Because they make a rail system that just screws in where the ladder goes. The rear sights are incredibly abundant. I found a P14 with a sporter stock and totally restored it to its WW1 configuration with all matching E stamped parts.
@@shockwave6213 Super late on the reply, but to the best of my memory, it was a literal strip of metal screwed to the top of the wrist of the stock and bent up where a hole drilled in the metal could serve as an aperture sight. It was the most jacked-up, jury rigged thing I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen jail trustees instal emergency lights on a patrol vehicle. 😅
@@michaeldavis4651 OOF LMAO. Sounds like someone installed a Lever Action style tang sight. Definitely sounds like a 1950s Bubba job.
War were declared! Love the reference.
Arie Heath, don't forget his lack of a patterned plastic poky hand
His?
1) It's Othais', bot Mike's
2) It's patented, so Mike can't use it as he pleases, without paying -Colt- C&Rsenal some fee.
Václav Fejt Don’t forget the import fees and duties on one. Then there’s getting it thru Customs: “Patented Plastic Pokey Thing?What is this?” 😃
The P14 makes for a solid basis for a custom rifle. Better yet, is the P17 - because its bolt face is designed for the 30-06 so will take a whole host of cartridges - 308, 7-08, 280 Rem etcetera. It's also very strong and plenty long for the belted magnums, so will handle magnum cartridges, but this requires bolt face work. When I first came to South Africa in 1993 these actions could be bought cheaply unrestricted and were easily obtained, as could K98 actions and even No4s. Then the action on a bolt rifle was not a licenced part, the law's since changed. Personally I'd rather see these relics in stock as issued configuration.
I had no idea so many had been made. Enough to equip the present day British army 14 times!
It's a beauty. I got to disassemble one this week- very intuitive to handle, beautiful machining and the bedding is superb.
Your blathering is well tolerated from me, may i say.
I love your bashing of the rim jam myth. I’m still working on getting my first lee in 303 but I love how people who bash me to death with the “it rim jams” myth have either never fired a rifle chambered in a rimmed cartridge, or have only had experience with mosin nagants.
Lawrence Glover hey, don’t be hating on the Mosin!😂
Wyatt Stinchield not hating on the mosin, mainly the people who feel the mosin is a perfect rifle. It’s not perfect by any stretch. It’s a highly flawed rifle with a major flaw in its design. If they had removed the central rib to the bolt that rifle would be SO much better.
Mosin's won't rim jam if the interrupter is properly working.
Timothy Soen agreed. I think in the ten years I’ve owned my 91/30 I think I’ve had one jam that was a rim jam. Everything else is just mosins being mosins. Still prefer an enfield or a krag to a mosin for rimmed ammo
@@Ben_not_10 Absolutely. They're not perfect, nor are the perfectly awful. Personally, I love the rough and tumble look of my 1942 Mosin. It looks like it was assembled by a half blind 8 year old with an angle grinder. I wouldn't have it any other way.
Those are nice rifles. I was fortunate enough to get a complete unit with volley sights intact. It is one of the nicest enfields in my collection.
I have a P 14, 303 with Parker Hale sites on fantastic rifle in very very good condition. Extremely accurate.
I love all of the .303 rim jam that didn't happen.
I have owned 2 P14s... good rifles both of them. I am presently building a .308 on a P14 action that someone gave me in payment for a job....
NO... LOL... I'm a Gun Smith.... :-)
Kathryn Truscott gun zmith
What did you do about the bolt face and extractor?
@@craigbenz4835, m1917 bolts are relatively cheap and easy to come by.
P14 was also used in Poland during polish - soviet war 1920 and later in police, border guard as also paramilitary organizations for different shooting competitions.
In 1950, aged 21, I worked for three months in the Cost Office of the Birmingham Small Arms Company in Armoury Road, Birmingham. At the time BSA were converting P14s and P17s (the .300 version) into sporting rifles. I was told, perhaps inaccurately, that the weapons - millions of them - had been left in their original packing in the vaults of the government factory at Enfield Lock and forgotten till after WWII. In the late 1940s BSA were buying them from the government at prices around six shillings and eightpence each. The BSA buyers used a little bribery to be allowed to choose which weapons they bought. Until then, I was told, they had never been unpacked. The P14 had a fault: one could not close the bolt if the magazine (which held only five rounds being a Mauser type) was empty. That was cured as part of the conversion process.
Were they really forgotten? Certainly the Home Guard was without rifles for a long time after its formation. BSA built a factory in Blossomfield Road, Shirley, Birmingham to make the Number 4 Lee Enfield but production did not get going. I was told, until July 1941. 1.25 million No 4s were made there. My mother was one of the staff from 1941 for 21 years. Other No 4s were made at Fazakerly and Maltby. These are described as 'Royal Ordnance factories', but perhaps they were two of the 39 factories put under BSA control, although not owned by BSA. The royal ordnance factory at Enfield is described by Wiki as being where Bren guns were made but I suspect it was merely assembling them. The development of the Bren took place at BSA Armoury Road where my father was one of the team, and one of the Czech technicians who came over from Brno gave me some Czech coins. Many parts for the Bren were made at BSA's own factory at Mansfield, to the annoyance, it was said, of some Mansfield citizens who thought an arms factory would attract the German bombers. It was the main BSA factory in Armoury Road, Birmingham which got the big hit. 53 workers were killed in 1940 when a building collapsed on them. That factory was huge, 1.4 million square feet of workshops. I lived next to it for the first four years of my life.
I own one of the P14 sporters you mention...www.fototime.com/8F371D819C1492E/standard.jpg
"The P14 had a fault: one could not close the bolt if the magazine (which held only five rounds being a Mauser type) was empty" - Not a fault, commonly used on many rifles. It would remind a soldier to reload the rifle instead of cycling it without any ammo in the magazine. It's a bolt hold open essentially.
Spot on with the rim jams, I also found I not as easy to feed the chargers but the accuracy gained by the longer sight radius made up for the very minutely slower feed! I had a fat boy Eddystone I rescued from being a .410 into a .303
Looking froward to the mad minute for this!
At one time p-14s and SMLEs were popular deer guns where I live . I always heard the rim jam rumor too but as far as I could tell we never had a problem with it either and I can never remember of anyone being careful as to how either one was loaded. Interestingly the 1914 Enfield was the father of the 1917 Enfield in 30-06 which after the war became the Remington model 30. In many ways that makes the model P-14 the great great grandfather of the Remington model 700
All glory to the Patent Plastic Pokey Hand!!!!
Well done, thanks!
Great content as always. :)
Can't wait for the P14 mad minute!
I have always had a soft spot, for P14’s and 17’s , good review/ history !
Aren't they gorgeous?!
Very nice P14, looks to be in the exact same condition as my Eddystone P14. I love mine it's a damn tack driver.
Such a sweet piece.
They were also used by Australia as Sniper rifles (fitted with scopes) in the pacific in WW2
I have a P17 my great grandfathers brother carried in WW1. He was assigned to prisoner guard/ exchange after the end of the war in Belguim and was allowed to keep it. Its mint and shoots well.
On November 1st, the 2018 Deer Season opened here. The State lottery drawing issued me a doe(antlerless) tag. Legal shooting started at 15 minutes before sunrise, about 7:15AM. I was huddled down, it was a surprisingly warm morning, about 45 degrees. There were some does milling about at 7:15, but I couldn't see my sights, it was too dark. By 7:25 I could see through the rear aperture, picked out a doe with no fawns around her and put one behind her shoulder. She went about 40 feet and folded up.
I was using an Eddystone P14, #217xxx, produced late 1916-early 1917 in Delaware County, Pennsylvania. The .303 is still one of the best deer, and bigger game, cartridges ever made. My P14 and I have been a team since 1998. So far, it has killed a couple dozen deer with one shot. It belonged to my Wife who died, and I inherited the rifle.
this bolt looks very smooth!
I believe I can say more deer has gone down to the. 303 than any other caliber here in Canada. I have two P-14's in my gun safe,God bless from Canada.
I have a P14 .270/303 sporting conversion - awesome rifle. Hand-loaded, this thing kills everything I hit. I find it a bit heavy now I've aged, but the weight certainly helps with the recoil. As for the 5 round magazine - I seldom fire a second round.
Very impressive set of 1814 buildings at Weedon depot. The magazine compound is very interesting.
Love your video's
I have an old No. 4 Long Branch as well and have never had any issues with rim jams.
Sweet dude!
Well done, if they were more available in Canada I would definitely purchase one. Not up to the snuff of the Long Branch but a great rifle all the same.
I just found and bought my very first P14. Having had an M1917 for a number of years, it seems rather familiar. I have not fired it yet, as we are having an old fashioned life-on-the-great-central-plateau winter. (It is below freezing for the past couple days and for the next week or so.) I am not nearly as hardy as I used to think I was. I have two SMLEs (No. 3) and reloading equipment, so ammunition of the correct weight and muzzle velocity is at hand. The jackets are not cupronickel, however.
I am looking forward to a decent weather day.
Re: P13 Whenever I learn anything about pre-war and World War One rifle choices, I'm always confused how they overlooked the .45-70. I guess if they didn't know about trenches they thought they couldn't use a 1886 lever action in the prone, but all these countries trying to hit someone 800+ meters away seem to have developed rounds and firearms that were either ridiculously long (Bonjour France!), hit like a deer rifle (Hi America! Also Germany) or were somehow worse (Sigh, P13). The SMLE got the magic formula of short rifle with a good cartridge and smooth action, but I can't help but feel the second best rifles of the war were probably carried by drivers and messengers carrying lever guns.
The Martini-Henry was a lever action rifle, although not magazine fed. We brits used it in South African campaigns so we were well aware of the lever action and its limitations in war
To check the date, take the stock off and look at the barrel, right where it meets the receiver. There should be a number like '14, '15 or '16 on it. That's the production year.
I feel like discussion of rifle ranges should include a hit probability chart for various ranges for standing unsupported and also for some sort of athletic drill like running and then shooting timed.
All of the rifles with flip up rear sights out past 2,000 yards are hilarious. There should be a warning on those sights that says, "Move Closer !“
Even the longest of the long-range engagements, e.g. Omdurman, seem to be under 2000 yards. ISTR one unit opened fire at 1600 yards, and the enemy never got closer than 400.
The P-14/1917 Enfield makes a great sporting rifle. It was the predecessor of the Remington 700, by way of the Remington 30-S, which was essentially a "de-eared" 1917 Enfield with a nice commercial finish. As the P-13 was built for the big .276 (7.2x60mm, 13.4mm base diameter) experimental Enfield cartridge, the P-14/1917's lend themselves very well to conversion to big bore sporting rounds.
Can't wait to c it mad minit
I think the American obsession with hating the Lee enfield and how we have so many rimjam problems in the states comes from the fact that the Enfield is unfortunately a system our gunsmiths are very much unfamiliar with. Whereas in the commonwealth countries, their gunsmiths are quite familiar with the enfield systems and it’s quirks and what’s needed to make them operate as intended. We here in the states just buy a rifle, take it to the range and if it doesn’t operate as we want it to we take it to a gunsmith and/or complain. And if the gunsmith can’t or won’t address the issues we say it’s a bad gun and then proceed to bash it all over the internet
I wonder if a Briton would see a quirk? Would he perhaps see it as a personality?
"Remind me who won in the end." BOOM.
both sides lost! ( Boers and the British)
THEY WON CAUSE THEY TARGETED WOMEN AND CHILDREN READ YOUR HISTORY BOOK
@@jadelport66 Exactly!!!!
Bloke, this video has been long overdue! What have you been doing? Jk, love the P14, amazing rifle, Ive bested people using modern sporting rifles in competition with a Remington Pattern 14, 1915 production.
Even though I have only 15 p14/m17's and 35 Lee enfields, this is still my most favourite rifle. Like your vidio.
Casey Also you got the enfield sickness!! Lol what’s your favorite enfield rifle?? I’ve been thinking of adding the p14 to my collection but they are so expensive, number 4 or smle are cheaper to buy now!!
Great rifles and extremely robust. I came across one at a pawnshop with an absolutely mint chamber and bore. Just the timber had been sporterized. In my naive excitement to restore it I bought it for a pittance. Well, good luck finding a military replacement stock that doesn't cost way more than the complete rifle. Even well used stocks are very close or over $300. Makes it very tempting to complete the sporterization.
The 276 was close to the 7 mm Rem Magnum in ballistics, pretty impressive for the ERA. Of course there was the 500 Schuler or Jeffrey and 505 Gibbs from that era so maybe it wasn’t surprising.
I owned the 303 version number 14400 made by Winchester and they use Walnut wood , compared to my Mk4 and Oendorf 270win mag , just loved the P14 over all my others rifles
I miss my Ishapore SMLE. I wish I never sold it.
No pokey hand , but you have the fondue trident of 'splainin Bloke :-)
40 years ago when I started collecting vintage military rifles P14's and P17's were cheap and plentiful. I naively passed on buying a few to concentrate on purchasing Lee Enfields and Mausers. Now that I have realized my mistake I have had to pay the price and fork out $900 to buy a P14 in excellent condition. I'm glad I did, it is an excellent rifle and I regularly get 1 1/2 MOA with handloads.
hello from Long Island, New York.
He really likes the Lee Enfields.
Gabbar Rf the commonwealth loves them.
I got a p14 that BSA got there hands on and I noticed my bolt handle isnt dog lagged and hollowed out like your
Another boer war consideration, was the the boers 7x57 Mausers out ranged the British .303s. Boer snipers could pick off British troops before they could return fire. The U.S. troops had the same problem with the 7x57s in the hands of Cuban soldiers in 1898. Which was a major factor leading to the adoption of the 03 Springfield (basically a modified Mauser) in .30-03 Springfield. Later on P-14s were often used by the LRDG in North Africa during the second world wide kerfuffle, with the Winchester version regarded to be more accurate. Most HomeGuard troops ended up with the .30-06, 1917 Enfield (.300 in British service) (often transitioning from p-14s and/or Ross rifles), purchased, (not lend leased) from the U.S. government. As an aside, those troops discovered that with the rimless .300 cartridge they were actually 6 shot rifles.
I feel ashamed as somebody who is supposedly somewhat informed about firearms that I didn't know anything about the P14 and the M1917 until only two months ago.
This is a super, super underrated rifle. And it's freakin' magic, apparently, since it literally can't rimjam.
I imagine an alternate history where this rifle is developed further. Picture this rifle lightened (apparently the main complaint of at least the M1917 is that it's heavy AF) and has a detachable magazine. I wanna see that.
TheOz91 take a trip over to C&Rsenal all can revealed
The bolt also features helical locking, a nice feature carried forward from the Lee Enfields.
One of the things that probably made the US manufacturers a bit twitch was the use of "Enfield special" threads. However, they sem to hav managed OK.
The "styling" of the P-14 seems to have influenced the 1930s Ainley sniper rifle, which also sought to use a serious .276 cartridge.
Interestingly, when the US manufactures rejigged the production lines to make M-17s, they seem to have done so very quickly. MOST of the initial US Expeditionary force sent to France late in WW1 were carrying M-17 rifles, not 03 Springfields. Then, post WW1 Remington converted the M-17 line to making a "sporting" version, the Model 30 and effectively made the .30-06 a major sporting round, not just a service one.
that little hole in the receiver gave me a double take first time I saw one lol
Bloke, you have neglected to mention that the barrel on the P-14 is twice the thickness of the SMLE barrel which whips all over the place when fired.
If an apocalyptic rim jam is something you desire deeply, load a 1905 pattern Ross MKII. It doesn't matter what orientation the rounds are in, they will find a way to rim jam. This can of course be fixed by just pushing down vigorously on the follower lowering lever a couple of times, but man it does get tiresome.
Random question, but were clips of .303 ammunition issued with the rounds already stacked to avoid rim jams? or did each individual soldier have to restack them?
They were packaged correctly in bandoleers, but when issued ammo you were supposed to check that it hadn't been dislodged in transit, which could happen.
Thanks for taking the time to answer, it's an excellent video I hope it gets the audience it deserves.
Used the Remington P17 customised to a Sniping Rifle only change was change to cartridge Powder as original was a tad smoky but sorted, used the 06 as bullet not cartridge same as 7.62 mm NATO eventual rechambered to 7.62 x 51mm Cartridge
The history has come full circle. The Americans are now adopting the .277 Fury, which is basically has identical ballistics to the later, slightly downloaded .276 Enfield, though the extremely short barrel on the SIG MCX Spear cuts quite deep into its potential.
A fantastic rifle! I wish they had made some of this rifles in 7.62*54R.
I've been looking for one of these, or preferably the American version, because 30-06 is so much easier to find in the states. Haven't found one priced reasonably enough though.
So. You can't really get rim jam even if you try?
The committee acquired a Springfield 1903 and modified it with as many of the recommendations/requirements as possible.
A precursor to the 'designing' of the SA80 rifle by cutting a Sterling built Armalite AR18 many decades later!
Ok for me i'll take it!
For those of us interested in one of these in the US, what brand of brass is best for boxer primed? Or maybe brands. I'd like to pick up one of these someday.
In better times all the major manufacturers made loaded ammunition for the .303 British. In the current Xiden era factory loaded ammo availability is sporadic but PPU and Federal pop up on a semi-regular basis. I handload for my rifles and have had very good results from HXP Greek surplus . I fireform the factory loaded ammunition and then reload with quality target bullets. My best load gets 1 1/2 MOA with my P14.
Seems like a well put together rifle. A 30.06 sporterized for hunting would work here in the states.
There used to be zillions of them kicking around since M17's were surplussed off super cheap back in the post-WW2 period.
Hey bloke. Were dummy cartridges loaded onto chargers differently than live ammunition or did the instructor just have the charger shown at 22:00 loaded out of regulation fashion to make the loading process seem smoother for the sake of the training film?
No, they shouldn't have been. Naughty instructor. It wasn't very smooth loading either.
HELP! I have a 1943 Maltby Enfield, re-barreled in 1948. The magazine was in dreadful shape. I took the finish off & (tried!!) to cold blue it. It rusted terribly!! First time I have had an issue with cold blue. What type of metal is this magazine made of??? Should I just clean it back off & powder-coat it or paint it??? Thank you Bloke or to anyone that can offer info....
It's going to be the mildest of mild steel. I'd probably indeed paint or PC it.
Thank you for the timely response! This dead president is very appreciative!!
Good to hear " The Chap"
"zillion hundred meters", love it.
But in defense of the thinking of the military, I'd much rather issue a rifle to the troops that was capable of being fired accurately out to 1,000 meters/yards (take your pick) and have the soldiers use that rifle to only rarely fire over 100yards/meter, rather then the reverse, issue the soldiers a rifle that is accurate out to 300 yards, and have the soldiers carrying said rife against enemies shooting at them from 900 yards/meters away.
The US military in World War One, the main battle rifle was the m1917, some people call it the P-17. It was because there were not enough of the Sprinfield 1903. Both were in 30-06.
Funny how the P14 was originally designed to, essentially copy the idea of a Springfield 1903 to replace the SMLE... but actually ended up just replacing the Springfield as the M1917.
By replacing, I mean it was the primary rifle of the AEF during WW1, not that it actually replaced the M1903 in an official capacity, because of course, the M1 Garand did that in 1936.
Awesome channel! Interestingly most of the P14's I have seen in South Africa have had the rear sights removed and Parker Hale sights added for bisley shooting. SMLE's and No4 rifles seem not to have been accurate enough (liked??) for bisley but CLLE's made the grade.
Thanks. Have a search on RUclips for King's Prize and Queen's Prize newsreel footage. If you have that impression you will be very surprised at what the winners were using, right to the end of the .303 era... ;)
Interesting to see the number of SMLE's and No4 rifles
Wish my 14s were like yours, they all don’t rather like the out of spec stuff like S&B and Wolf. Also harder to get under the extractor while feeding. They’re greased lightning with the right ammo though
Regarding the Rim Jam non-issue; my example of the P’14 has a broken magazine spring; however it’s broken such that can’t tell unless it’s been taken apart. Despite careful loading - the lack of upward pressure on the cartridges does result in occasional misfeeds. Assuming the spring failing isn’t noticed maybe this accounts for the undeserved ‘rim Jam’ reputation.
A short carbine version of that with like a 20 inch barrel chambered in 7mm Mauser would be sweet.
The P13, then the P14 is a most important rifle, if for no other reason, because of its sighting. As you know the P14 lead to the P17. Both with the same sighting. Check out the sighting used on the 1903 rifle used in WW 1 then look at the sighting of the WW 1903, Then check out the sighting of the M1 rifle. Back to the P14 and 17, take note of the front sight, three posts, very useful. The point of these rifles is to kill the target not, not in a moment but now. It takes time to dial in the windage, using the three posts of the P14/17 one can sight in the target using the center post and then move sighting a little this way or that to compensate for windage using the outer post, also, on leading a moving target the outer posts would come in handy.
The only feed issues I have had with a P14 was the top round jamming against the one underneath and denting it....cost me a deer one day...
It's the granddaddy of the superb Remington 700
Did Winchester make all the 303's? My bolt isn't hollowed out like yours
No, they were also made by Remington and Eddystone
I know I'm late to the party, but I could not agree with you more on the sights. I have a Winchester P17, and it is honestly my favorite rifle to shoot simply because of the sights. It's kind of a shame, but here in the states most of these rifles in the civilian world were sporterized. That great big rear sight protection get's ground off to make room for a scope.
I want one so bad.
Rewatching old stuff due to the lockdown, and this reminded me of an interesting rifle I've seen listed for sale. Supposedly it's a P13, but rebarrelled at the time (supposedly) to .303. I'd be interested, except for the fact the guy wants £12,500 for the damn thing! No wonder it's been listed on the site for well over a year now...
A number of the P13 trials rifles were indeed converted to P14's, the giveaway is the oblique grasping grooves. But £12.5k is taking the piss, even for a P13 in original condition.
@@BlokeontheRange Then again Enfield prices have gone mad here. You'll see people asking a grand or more for a Long Branch No4 on the classified sites. No4 Ts are asking £4k or more and L42s have been asking nearly 5 figures too. I don't think even Fulton's are charging that much for the most part!
Oh flash and blast!
I really don't get why the US version in 30-06 wasn't used as the sniper rifle in ww2 over the 03 Springfield or used over the Springfield by the marine corps before they got m1s
I understand the USMC always preferred and was issued the 1903 Springfield even back in the WW1 era over the 1917. However, there was a US marine around 1919 or 1920 that won a match using the 1917 (can’t remember the specifics).
But the sniper question is a good point.
Blather on lad!
From experience using PPU/PMC cases rimovers do happen when you least want them .