Here's a little non-sequitur for you: As someone who hates loud noises myself, even I know there are better ways of dealing with it than abusing the source of it.
Don't know if it was intentional,but I really like dollface's almost child like and innocent...ish personality in contrast with a goddamn semi truck using a crashed police car as a bumper that she drives. And also I love the "character that looks more evil than it really is" trope
@@ejm1225 Hell, with Minion, they ended up actually forgetting in his case until the last minute, and Jaffe just wrote the "Minion Codes" as a last minute solution as he had a bad case of the flu.
Oh yeah, like HE hasn't killed any kids before... Maybe he draws the line at killing babies which, given him, it's because they weren't given the chance to learn the concept of suffering... I'm not crazy, I swear!!
@nattesnovgrel5172Which is,despite being a psychopath, INCREDIBLY justifiable for anyone to feel. Imagine god allowing this absolute horrific monster to curse another one without issue.Most would be frustrated.
Sad they had to turn down the Dollface story. I understand they didn't want to put child abuse, but interestingly enough they may have also overcompensated by splitting their filial relationship. It could've been fine if they kept her at her college age and still make them family. It also lessened a lot the impact and consequences of her ending, from just killing a random asshole dude to killing her own father.
@@dessadoo It's all a matter of the execution. If he can say it with perfect cadence and rhythm it can work very well, but it can be somewhat of a tongue twister.
I kinda like Black's normal voice. More scarier when you think of horrible things that he would say. Imagine him saying, "You can't run forever, Calypso." In a monotone voice. Sends chills up my spine
When it comes to psychological horror, less is indeed more at it's far more terrifying to let the audience fill in the blanks rather than to spell it out in detail...
I bought this game specifically to unlock all the cutscenes dark as hell and creative. Plus I like the rolling stones. I wish they would make another twisted metal black. The taxi kid sounds like Chris Chan 😂
In germany, we have the cool folk metal band Subway to Sally that kinda has the same naming vibes as Sad Saly. If she knows german, i reckon Raven might even like some of the songs from Subway to Sally.
Dollface was always my favorite. There was something about her taking the key at the end, not to remove her mask but just to get her revenge against the man that hurt her that always made her a little more demented.
I was entirely too young to be playing this as a kid but my neighbor and I had great fun playing vs. against eachother. We found the story mode really scary! When I replayed it a few years ago in my mid-20s, it seemed much more "dark and edgy" but theyre still really well done and hold up today as highly atmospheric horror. Gameplay is a blast too obviously
@ 6:34 You want to know what's weird? When Tactical Bacon said that medical horror is one of the few genres that gets under his skin, it instantly reminded me of the song "Hamburger Lady" by Throbbing Gristle. I doubt he would stomach that particular song, but in my opinion, it's one of the most disturbing songs that I've ever heard.
Sorry I slept on this for a few days Tac, gold as always. As subtle as many of the changes are, you gotta love the bits they committed to; I honestly expected it to be a lot more egregious. You also had the opportunity to make an awful No Russian joke, but took the high road, bless you 😂
5:15 I remember the developers talking about this cut scene in one of the extras in twisted metal head-on and I didn't think it would've actually been animated at one point
Nvm I found the actual footage of all the alternate endings. Yea they did show him showing the baby. Sheez wish they woulda left that in. Woulda been a shock value.
For me personally, I absolutely think things like Outlaw’s original ending is necessary in storytelling media, depending on the tone of the story. Of course it’s important to be able to escape and forget about the world’s problems sometimes, video games are great at that. But they also can be great ways to explore things that make us super uncomfortable in a safer environment. Mafia 3 involves you playing as a mixed race man named Lincoln Clay in the 60’s in the Deep South. The entire game you’re subjected to the racism and hatred of that time, and it really helps sell the reality many black people had to live through. Many people forget about just how bad it was for black people at that time, and the prejudice they had to fight, using the interactive aspect of video games to give players a taste of that so they have a better understanding of what it was like is a good thing in my opinion. Don’t let people forget our history and all. Berserk is another great example for comics, or manga if you want to call it that. If you think Black is dark, Berserk… is something else. But instead of it being an edge fest of hate and nihilism, it’s really a story about trauma and healing, learning to love the world and accept that you can always move forward no matter how horrible your situation might be. It has r*pe, children being killed, horrific “gods” showing what the afterlife truly is, yet none of that is used to push some message of hopelessness or despair. What happens to Guts is tragic, horrifying, yet it never feels forced. Guts is at his worst in the very first arc, the Black Swordsman, but it makes way more sense why he’s such a jerk once you get to the Golden Age arc. It never excuses how he acted, but it *does* contextualize it, and make you understand just how much he’s had to suffer through, as he has to relearn how to love and care about the people around him. It’s a story of darkness and despair, and how Guts even through all that uses it to find the small beacons of light and hope. It’s a *heavy,* incredibly uncomfortable story, but Guts is often considered to be one of the best protagonists of all time for a reason. In truth, he kinda shares a lot with Kratos. He fights monsters and godlike beings far more powerful than any human could ever hope to stand against, yet he does it anyways, in his case, to survive. He had his “family”, or even, families, and watched as they all crumbled and died, almost completely breaking him mentally. He turns into a monster, someone consumed by hatred and rage, yet, similar to modern Kratos, he slowly learns to temper it, and realizes the importance of protecting the people he cares about. I think dark subjects are great things to explore when handled with care and grace, with an understanding of what makes them dark and depressing. Personally anyways.
Yeah, I don't particularly get the aversion to any of the original plot or details that got censored. I'm not really buying the "but my cathartic escapism in the twisted world of serial killers, cannibals, cheating, and disfigurement." Much like how you described Kratos' character arc, Outlaw's is much the same and it really makes him a compelling character to identify with, no matter the race. You have an orphan who doesn't fall into a life of crime with the easy familial structure offered by gangs, but instead works the hard and honest way so that he can protect and serve. He's dissatisfied with the way the belligerent hate groups get handled with kids gloves and goes renegade to exact his sense of justice. That slow unraveling into being a loose cannon costs him his ability to love and leads to him misusing his force, shattering that sense of family he tried to secure. An unarmed mother and child are gunned down when he didn't have to, all because he decided to play the outlaw bent on revenge. The way the scene is setup is it seems like the mom and kid were part of the cult, but they were visibly not combatants and likely abuse victims. It's great writing cause Agent Stone's story isn't just about racism, but it's about exercising personal restraint in a world where 80% of the contestants are just seeking bloody revenge. The scenario with Stone's lynching backstory definitely seems more like a personal vendetta twist to the Waco siege/massacre against 'the doomsday cult' Branch Davidians, where the compound ended up being engulfed in flames, taking every family inside (86 dead). Lynching is extrajudicial killing. Vigilantism. Impulse. Mob rule. He was only sanctioned to take out the terrorists, not their families. His second chance is a return to a nobler police procedure. He keeps a cool head. His grip on the situation not clenched, but firm. He deftly uses lethal force only when necessary. This cautious grasp does offer criminals some wriggle room and he pays with his life that day, but his life, his peace, ended with his family dying in that fire. He pushed on long enough to try and ensure someone else could have it better. He sacrificed like a proper officer agrees to do, upholding the safety and liberty of victims before his own.
I have to say it's pretty interesting how Black and 2012 are dark and edgy in different ways. 2012 is pretty fun edge. It's almost cute in how hard it's trying to be dark and gritty. It's so over the top it becomes pretty endearing and goofy. Black is... definitely not that. It's honestly pretty disturbing and unsettling. But in a really fascinating way. It's very cool and, as someone who never played Twisted Metal growing up, makes me really want to purchase it off PSN
Honestly... I feel like nowadays, given how things are right now, they probably could've gotten away with that ending, although some dipshits would cry about it being "too woke".
@@SeanStrife Nobody would say it's too woke to kill actual Nazis who are planning to commit a massacre, that's ridiculous. Woke is when you accuse someone of being a Nazi just for having a different opinion, or for example, playing a video game about Harry Potter.
The driver of Shadow (Raven), is actually like 16 in her driver bio in game! I always thought it was kinda strange how that was the case since yk.. what goes down in Twisted Metal Tournaments 😂
Also sending a 16 year old to a top of the line security asylum because two dudes killed one of her friends, like I think a better use of resources would've been arresting the two, they aren't masterminds, they drove up in their car, I'm sure they would've been cameras near where Kelly died, also DNA. Stuff like this is why Raven is my least favorite driver in Black
I think a video covering TM2012's cut endings would be intersting, espically regarding the canonical oddities like the return of blackgate asylum and Sweet Tooth falling in love with Sophie...before she became his daugther.
Sad Sally sounds like a character from a children's cartoon meant to teach kids about emotion. Raven at least sounds like something a goth girl might actually name herself.
Its funny to me, they removed the reference to the guy being Russian in Grimm's ending, because they didnt want to portray Russians as evil. Something Ive heard people complain about in the story line of MW2&3, and the MW reboot...
Yeah which does sound hypocritical since they are ignoring history lessons, likely since they are born after the cold war and never experienced a real 'bad' faction. Now everything is grey.
I feel like Black's alternate ending the idea of Black being another being is a tribute to the lost endings of TM1 "Mr Ash" says he (Black) "is the most powerful demon he ever gave powers to" while TM Black's would've gone poorly I like the idea of Black being bigger or posing its own threat towards the contest
Wow, a funky key that activates a rube goldberg machine which kills someone, and being forced to wear a mask. 3 years before Saw was released in theaters. Huh.
Good work as always. Love the thoughts that go into the TM franchise bc I remember playing TM2 a ton when I was younger & then the series fell off for me as I got older.
I wish they kept the more hardcore backstories and integrated them into the final product. Outlaw having flashes back to what happened when he was a kid and seeing these cultists reminded him of the bastards who killed his life. Raven(boy am I happy they changed her name) having more context to what happened would've been obviously better. Dollface having been wearing the mask since she was a child would've been more disturbing yes but make it feel more personal especially since it was her clearly deranged father. Axle, I agree the son would've made more sense seeing as how Sweet Tooth's whole thing is a clown driving an icream truck which would attract more kids than adults unless they made it to where both were killed by him at roughly the same time. For Grimm, changing the dude from Russian to some random white guy with a gold tooth that's a Veitcong advisor is just stupid since media at the time was still showing the animosity between the west(especially the U.S.) and Communist Russia. All in all I love Twisted Metal Black not for the gameplay but the world and its characters. I got the game as a kid thanks to my mom and while the game scared me because of some of the characters, most of them stuck with me. Their interesting backstories and personalities were more interesting to me than the vehicle combat.
god the EU version is so shit. like, atleast you could've done like TM1 and put the cutscenes into text. that would've been boring but it's way better than cutting off every single scene
Sadly I live in Europe. I have TM:B on my PS4 and it's European. But I love the game, even though it got heavily cut in the story department. And yes, I watched the cutscenes from YT. Shadow's and Yellow Jacket's stories are my favourites.
Twisted Metal Black had some amazing endings/cutscenes. I just wish they kept up with it instead of going waaaaay off track and turn into stupid endings again.
Not sure if anyone else has commented on this but outside of the wording on John doe's tattoo, the symbol is a Slavic sunwheel, or atleast a version of it. A simple used by some far right extremist groups in both Eastern Europe and America. So it could've been removed due to certain laws on the display of far right imagery in places like Germany. Though that symbol is widely unknown even today, let alone when the game came out. So yeah the cult was definitely explicitly far right even disregarding the wording
Son doesn't have to mean Kid though, If Axel is in his 40s, His son could have been a teenager or in his 20s. That didn't need to be changed so much as the baby being drowned by the priest.
Man if RUclips demonetizes you again then I'm clearly convinced that RUclips has an out for you which is messed up because you make really great content
Maybe I'm just a psycho but I have no issues with these lost endings/I enjoy then. This is supposed to be dark and twisted hence the name and I love them for that
You're not wrong, and the original endings make much more sense. Always thought it odd co-ed Dollface simply let her boss do this to her instead of running away and calling the cops. Or how trained professional Agent Stone suddenly flips during a stand off when he's likely done this rodeo dozens of times before.
@@TheMattZim When it was one of the first to do that kinda things with the gameplay yeah I could kinda understand that but still it isn’t like they’re hiding the dark stuff too hard
And if Dollface did keep her original backstory, it would have made the decision to kill her father even more satisfying. I know, that's a weird thing to say, but it would show that she wasn't about to let even family get away with tormenting her. Kreel was just her boss; it would have been easy to punish him. There are abused people who value their family even if they abused them. Darkside's driver killing her father would have symbolized that if your family acted like that, you would be better off severing the ties. Granted you probably shouldn't kill them unless your life depended on it, but I still see the message of "if they don't value you, then screw them figuratively." Oh, and if he murdered her mother, that makes the revenge even better!
I’m glad I’m not the only one who was freaked out by the No Face cutscenes. I can’t handle facial injuries in horror films because that messed me up so much haha. I saw it at age 12 before my mom knew about game ratings so I got it for Christmas.
I didn't really get into Twisted Metal Black....you get to the first major mini-boss (Calypso) and he's next-to-impossible to beat unless you manage to trap him on a slope where his wheels can't make contact with the ground due to his truck being so damn long. Then you can just lay into him with impunity. The trick is getting him to slow down and come to a damn near stand-still with the middle of his truck situated over one of the sloped ramps so he can't gain any traction and get away or chase you.
I just thought of something. Maybe Mr Grim's war buddy being nammed Benny might be a reference to "I have no mouth and I must scream." There was a character in that story who fought in the vietnam war who had the same name. And considering black's darker tones it wouldn't be out of place.
Man its surreal when people are perfectly fine with the most sickening, horrifying things in fiction, the darkest things you could imagine for things but it's tolerable cause it's just pixels, then go on to say other things are too much Insanity
Shame that they cut the endings for the dutch market. But played this game till it didn't boot up. But now with a emulator i can still enjoy this great game with the endings included.
Too far? Considering the name is twisted metal black, seems to be within course. 5:30 the "edgelord/edgy" accusation gets thrown out too often. Same thing applies here.
You can include dark and macabre subject matter in a way that isn't just shock for the sake of it. To a lot of people just mentioning "I killed an infant" is enough to get the same emotion as actually showing the deed happen. There isn't much of a benefit outside of "look how messed up we are, we animated a baby getting murdered" in fact there is a good argument to be made about how the human mind often conjures up way more horrific details if you opt to not show something gruesome and instead just describe it. So yeah, people who are like "they should've shown the baby murder" will have the label of edgelord thrown at them since it really feels like they aren't in it for the "artistic expression" they just wanna say they have a game with a baby murder in it because it shocks people.
I just appreciate the changes to the writing of some stories because the original versions of a few of them just tend to come off like the edgiest imaginings of a 15 year old atheist.
The only popular game series that I can think of that features children is Oblivion and Skyrim. And there are mods to change their programmed invulnerability... Overall, not including children in videogames is an alright decision, unless it's a game made for children, or is an 'all audiences' kind of game, like spyro, the simpsons, or crash bandicoot.
I wonder if John Doe originally being called Ed was a nod to some likeness to Ed Norton's American History X character. Especially if he was originally going to be in a racist gang and had a good arc but tragic ending.
I’ll never understand the whole “edgy = bad” stance outside of discomfort, why should something be toned down for those who most likely aren’t the target audience. Implication isn’t always superior to explicitly depicting something. It works fine yes but the nuance is often lost on the more sensitive viewers. Censorship hardly improves games, especially since they’re way more strict with game ratings than they are with literally any other form of media.
It will never make sense to me how ppl feel like someone who wants to genocide literally the entirety of humanity is somehow less evil or more disturbing than someone who wants to genocide specific race/races.
If I had to make a guess, I think roadkills driver was implied to be a neo nazi and the racist tattoos and placeholder name Ed is in reference to American history X and actor Edward Norton who starred in it I do recall David Jaffe was also loosely inspired by that film when he created Kratos
I kinda like Dollface's original story more. Her father hated loud noises, so she decides to drive a huge truck with a blaring horn.
Here's a little non-sequitur for you: As someone who hates loud noises myself, even I know there are better ways of dealing with it than abusing the source of it.
@@WillieManga because YOUR brain works
@@kingartison Eh, it does work more often than his does at least, but...
Don't know if it was intentional,but I really like dollface's almost child like and innocent...ish personality in contrast with a goddamn semi truck using a crashed police car as a bumper that she drives.
And also I love the "character that looks more evil than it really is" trope
plus it makes sense why she would hesitate to kill him. cuz why would she struggle to kill her boss when she's obliterated eveyone else?
I remember David Jaffe mentioned that when it came to the secret characters, they started to run out of money when it came to their cutscenes
Maybe that explains why Charlie Kane and son had two cutscenes (the intro and ending), while Axel, Black, and Cage only had their ending cutscenes.
@@ejm1225 Hell, with Minion, they ended up actually forgetting in his case until the last minute, and Jaffe just wrote the "Minion Codes" as a last minute solution as he had a bad case of the flu.
@@DrEarthwormRobotnik Damn flu ruining our video game endings!
That explains black
@@DrEarthwormRobotnik So the direction of Twisted Metal Black taking place inside the mind of Needles Kane is something that was a last minute thing?
No wonder Preacher's former story was the most messed up. Even Sweet Tooth called him up on that during the loading screen of the Prison Ship level.
Oh yeah, like HE hasn't killed any kids before... Maybe he draws the line at killing babies which, given him, it's because they weren't given the chance to learn the concept of suffering... I'm not crazy, I swear!!
@@WillieManga no, sweet tooth/Marcus kane mention what he did to baby in the game, which means he has done similar. It’s very messed up.
@nattesnovgrel5172Which is,despite being a psychopath, INCREDIBLY justifiable for anyone to feel.
Imagine god allowing this absolute horrific monster to curse another one without issue.Most would be frustrated.
If sweet tooth says you're fucked up then you're really fucked up
Sad they had to turn down the Dollface story. I understand they didn't want to put child abuse, but interestingly enough they may have also overcompensated by splitting their filial relationship. It could've been fine if they kept her at her college age and still make them family. It also lessened a lot the impact and consequences of her ending, from just killing a random asshole dude to killing her own father.
Someone commented on a video with the altered cutscenes that Yellow Jacket sounds like Chris Chan and I can't unhear it.
Bro I love your profile pic it's adorbs
I still stand by that, lmao
I don’t know if anyone else mentioned it, but props to you on the alliteration of “Sad Sally sounds so stupid, seriously” 😅
It was originally a longer alliteration, but I cut the second half because I realized I was trying way too hard.
@@TBP I say you can’t go hard enough with the alliteration and puns 😂
@@dessadoo It's all a matter of the execution. If he can say it with perfect cadence and rhythm it can work very well, but it can be somewhat of a tongue twister.
@@TBP what did you say in the second half?
I kinda like Black's normal voice. More scarier when you think of horrible things that he would say. Imagine him saying,
"You can't run forever, Calypso."
In a monotone voice. Sends chills up my spine
That wasn't black speaking
I was worried this video wouldn't be made. Glad to be back in the world of twisted metal
When it comes to psychological horror, less is indeed more at it's far more terrifying to let the audience fill in the blanks rather than to spell it out in detail...
I bought this game specifically to unlock all the cutscenes dark as hell and creative. Plus I like the rolling stones. I wish they would make another twisted metal black. The taxi kid sounds like Chris Chan 😂
100% sounded like Chris-Chan, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed.
Wonder if this was intentional
Oh shit, imagine if he was one of the competitors XD.
@@yourcordialvermillionchapw2398
Sonichu colored Tricycle?
The kid has autism just like chris chan does
TBH Sad Sally sounds like the name of either a Children's Story Character a Point And Click Horror Game or a Emo Rock Band
In germany, we have the cool folk metal band Subway to Sally that kinda has the same naming vibes as Sad Saly. If she knows german, i reckon Raven might even like some of the songs from Subway to Sally.
Dollface was always my favorite. There was something about her taking the key at the end, not to remove her mask but just to get her revenge against the man that hurt her that always made her a little more demented.
I was entirely too young to be playing this as a kid but my neighbor and I had great fun playing vs. against eachother. We found the story mode really scary! When I replayed it a few years ago in my mid-20s, it seemed much more "dark and edgy" but theyre still really well done and hold up today as highly atmospheric horror. Gameplay is a blast too obviously
i wish they keep these in the 90s and 2000s were so edgy and dark i miss those days.
@ 6:34
You want to know what's weird? When Tactical Bacon said that medical horror is one of the few genres that gets under his skin, it instantly reminded me of the song "Hamburger Lady" by Throbbing Gristle. I doubt he would stomach that particular song, but in my opinion, it's one of the most disturbing songs that I've ever heard.
Sorry I slept on this for a few days Tac, gold as always.
As subtle as many of the changes are, you gotta love the bits they committed to; I honestly expected it to be a lot more egregious.
You also had the opportunity to make an awful No Russian joke, but took the high road, bless you 😂
5:15 I remember the developers talking about this cut scene in one of the extras in twisted metal head-on and I didn't think it would've actually been animated at one point
Did he drown the baby or crush it cuz looks like the uploader blurred it out.
Nvm I found the actual footage of all the alternate endings. Yea they did show him showing the baby. Sheez wish they woulda left that in. Woulda been a shock value.
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This comment might surely be controversial but getting rid of Nazis isn't
For me personally, I absolutely think things like Outlaw’s original ending is necessary in storytelling media, depending on the tone of the story.
Of course it’s important to be able to escape and forget about the world’s problems sometimes, video games are great at that. But they also can be great ways to explore things that make us super uncomfortable in a safer environment.
Mafia 3 involves you playing as a mixed race man named Lincoln Clay in the 60’s in the Deep South. The entire game you’re subjected to the racism and hatred of that time, and it really helps sell the reality many black people had to live through.
Many people forget about just how bad it was for black people at that time, and the prejudice they had to fight, using the interactive aspect of video games to give players a taste of that so they have a better understanding of what it was like is a good thing in my opinion. Don’t let people forget our history and all.
Berserk is another great example for comics, or manga if you want to call it that. If you think Black is dark, Berserk… is something else.
But instead of it being an edge fest of hate and nihilism, it’s really a story about trauma and healing, learning to love the world and accept that you can always move forward no matter how horrible your situation might be.
It has r*pe, children being killed, horrific “gods” showing what the afterlife truly is, yet none of that is used to push some message of hopelessness or despair.
What happens to Guts is tragic, horrifying, yet it never feels forced. Guts is at his worst in the very first arc, the Black Swordsman, but it makes way more sense why he’s such a jerk once you get to the Golden Age arc.
It never excuses how he acted, but it *does* contextualize it, and make you understand just how much he’s had to suffer through, as he has to relearn how to love and care about the people around him.
It’s a story of darkness and despair, and how Guts even through all that uses it to find the small beacons of light and hope. It’s a *heavy,* incredibly uncomfortable story, but Guts is often considered to be one of the best protagonists of all time for a reason.
In truth, he kinda shares a lot with Kratos. He fights monsters and godlike beings far more powerful than any human could ever hope to stand against, yet he does it anyways, in his case, to survive.
He had his “family”, or even, families, and watched as they all crumbled and died, almost completely breaking him mentally.
He turns into a monster, someone consumed by hatred and rage, yet, similar to modern Kratos, he slowly learns to temper it, and realizes the importance of protecting the people he cares about.
I think dark subjects are great things to explore when handled with care and grace, with an understanding of what makes them dark and depressing. Personally anyways.
Yeah, I don't particularly get the aversion to any of the original plot or details that got censored. I'm not really buying the "but my cathartic escapism in the twisted world of serial killers, cannibals, cheating, and disfigurement." Much like how you described Kratos' character arc, Outlaw's is much the same and it really makes him a compelling character to identify with, no matter the race.
You have an orphan who doesn't fall into a life of crime with the easy familial structure offered by gangs, but instead works the hard and honest way so that he can protect and serve. He's dissatisfied with the way the belligerent hate groups get handled with kids gloves and goes renegade to exact his sense of justice. That slow unraveling into being a loose cannon costs him his ability to love and leads to him misusing his force, shattering that sense of family he tried to secure. An unarmed mother and child are gunned down when he didn't have to, all because he decided to play the outlaw bent on revenge.
The way the scene is setup is it seems like the mom and kid were part of the cult, but they were visibly not combatants and likely abuse victims. It's great writing cause Agent Stone's story isn't just about racism, but it's about exercising personal restraint in a world where 80% of the contestants are just seeking bloody revenge. The scenario with Stone's lynching backstory definitely seems more like a personal vendetta twist to the Waco siege/massacre against 'the doomsday cult' Branch Davidians, where the compound ended up being engulfed in flames, taking every family inside (86 dead). Lynching is extrajudicial killing. Vigilantism. Impulse. Mob rule. He was only sanctioned to take out the terrorists, not their families.
His second chance is a return to a nobler police procedure. He keeps a cool head. His grip on the situation not clenched, but firm. He deftly uses lethal force only when necessary. This cautious grasp does offer criminals some wriggle room and he pays with his life that day, but his life, his peace, ended with his family dying in that fire. He pushed on long enough to try and ensure someone else could have it better. He sacrificed like a proper officer agrees to do, upholding the safety and liberty of victims before his own.
I have to say it's pretty interesting how Black and 2012 are dark and edgy in different ways.
2012 is pretty fun edge. It's almost cute in how hard it's trying to be dark and gritty. It's so over the top it becomes pretty endearing and goofy.
Black is... definitely not that. It's honestly pretty disturbing and unsettling. But in a really fascinating way. It's very cool and, as someone who never played Twisted Metal growing up, makes me really want to purchase it off PSN
They should have kept Outlaws ending. Killing Nazis is always the better story.
Honestly... I feel like nowadays, given how things are right now, they probably could've gotten away with that ending, although some dipshits would cry about it being "too woke".
@@SeanStrife There's nothing woke about killing actual Nazis. It's woke to call someone a Nazi just because they don't share your points of view.
@@SeanStrife Nobody would say it's too woke to kill actual Nazis who are planning to commit a massacre, that's ridiculous. Woke is when you accuse someone of being a Nazi just for having a different opinion, or for example, playing a video game about Harry Potter.
@@bloodleader5 The outcry against the Wolfenstein reboot says otherwise, chud.
@@SeanStrife Wolfenstein has been about fighting Nazis since... 1992. Check yourself for extra chromosomes.
The driver of Shadow (Raven), is actually like 16 in her driver bio in game! I always thought it was kinda strange how that was the case since yk.. what goes down in Twisted Metal Tournaments 😂
Also sending a 16 year old to a top of the line security asylum because two dudes killed one of her friends, like I think a better use of resources would've been arresting the two, they aren't masterminds, they drove up in their car, I'm sure they would've been cameras near where Kelly died, also DNA. Stuff like this is why Raven is my least favorite driver in Black
I think a video covering TM2012's cut endings would be intersting, espically regarding the canonical oddities like the return of blackgate asylum and Sweet Tooth falling in love with Sophie...before she became his daugther.
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@@marko-gj1ujyeah, I'm not kidding. That was the original plan for Sophie.
Sad Sally sounds like a character from a children's cartoon meant to teach kids about emotion. Raven at least sounds like something a goth girl might actually name herself.
Yellowjacket sounds like Bill Burr doing one of his voices lol
roadkill was probably called Ed after Edward norton. fightclub, american history x. he is a pretty clean cut reference.
Its funny to me, they removed the reference to the guy being Russian in Grimm's ending, because they didnt want to portray Russians as evil. Something Ive heard people complain about in the story line of MW2&3, and the MW reboot...
Yeah which does sound hypocritical since they are ignoring history lessons, likely since they are born after the cold war and never experienced a real 'bad' faction. Now everything is grey.
@@shcdemolisher Also especially now with what Russia is doing in the Ukraine
I feel like Black's alternate ending the idea of Black being another being is a tribute to the lost endings of TM1 "Mr Ash" says he (Black) "is the most powerful demon he ever gave powers to" while TM Black's would've gone poorly I like the idea of Black being bigger or posing its own threat towards the contest
Wow, a funky key that activates a rube goldberg machine which kills someone, and being forced to wear a mask. 3 years before Saw was released in theaters.
Huh.
Seems someone got inspired.
I always wonder how does Frank even drive?
I so wish they kept Outlaw’s original story, it just made more sense why he did what he did
Axel's is so heart wrenching, Baby Doll's is pretty deep too
You can not match the power of "random person on youtube with 250 subscribers"!
Good work as always. Love the thoughts that go into the TM franchise bc I remember playing TM2 a ton when I was younger & then the series fell off for me as I got older.
The voice actor for Yellow Jacket sounds like it could actually be David Jaffe himself, the series creator.
I wish they kept the more hardcore backstories and integrated them into the final product. Outlaw having flashes back to what happened when he was a kid and seeing these cultists reminded him of the bastards who killed his life.
Raven(boy am I happy they changed her name) having more context to what happened would've been obviously better.
Dollface having been wearing the mask since she was a child would've been more disturbing yes but make it feel more personal especially since it was her clearly deranged father.
Axle, I agree the son would've made more sense seeing as how Sweet Tooth's whole thing is a clown driving an icream truck which would attract more kids than adults unless they made it to where both were killed by him at roughly the same time.
For Grimm, changing the dude from Russian to some random white guy with a gold tooth that's a Veitcong advisor is just stupid since media at the time was still showing the animosity between the west(especially the U.S.) and Communist Russia.
All in all I love Twisted Metal Black not for the gameplay but the world and its characters. I got the game as a kid thanks to my mom and while the game scared me because of some of the characters, most of them stuck with me. Their interesting backstories and personalities were more interesting to me than the vehicle combat.
it was 2001, for the time they would've thought that they didn't go far ENOUGH
I remember playing this game. It was hard as hell but really fun.
Do you want to talk about the EU version of TM:B?
I think you have already talked about them.
god the EU version is so shit.
like, atleast you could've done like TM1 and put the cutscenes into text. that would've been boring but it's way better than cutting off every single scene
Sadly I live in Europe. I have TM:B on my PS4 and it's European. But I love the game, even though it got heavily cut in the story department.
And yes, I watched the cutscenes from YT.
Shadow's and Yellow Jacket's stories are my favourites.
At first I thought the voice for Black was Mr. Ash. But sounds like it’s supposed to be someone else who acquired black somehow. Very odd
Fun fact, there are some flash animations made to promote the game
Twisted Metal video? *Neuron activated *
idk how outlaw's race war story would be more disturbing than sweet tooth or preachers' child killing stories
Twisted Metal Black had some amazing endings/cutscenes. I just wish they kept up with it instead of going waaaaay off track and turn into stupid endings again.
Not sure if anyone else has commented on this but outside of the wording on John doe's tattoo, the symbol is a Slavic sunwheel, or atleast a version of it. A simple used by some far right extremist groups in both Eastern Europe and America. So it could've been removed due to certain laws on the display of far right imagery in places like Germany. Though that symbol is widely unknown even today, let alone when the game came out. So yeah the cult was definitely explicitly far right even disregarding the wording
Son doesn't have to mean Kid though, If Axel is in his 40s, His son could have been a teenager or in his 20s. That didn't need to be changed so much as the baby being drowned by the priest.
Man if RUclips demonetizes you again then I'm clearly convinced that RUclips has an out for you which is messed up because you make really great content
The kid voice kinda sounds like it could be David Jaffe
Hell yeah love your twisted metel content been scratching my neck waiting for more lmao
Raven's friend, Kelly, looks exactly like a Sister of Battle from Wh40k. The short white hair, tattoo near her eye
Maybe I'm just a psycho but I have no issues with these lost endings/I enjoy then. This is supposed to be dark and twisted hence the name and I love them for that
You're not wrong, and the original endings make much more sense. Always thought it odd co-ed Dollface simply let her boss do this to her instead of running away and calling the cops. Or how trained professional Agent Stone suddenly flips during a stand off when he's likely done this rodeo dozens of times before.
Yeah, its TWISTED Metal not MATURE Metal
Great vid and really informative…never in all my years would I have thought I would hear someone say they play such a dark series for escapism
i mean, the gameplay is focused on KABOOM and cars explosion, nothing too deep and dark so i understad him
@@TheMattZim When it was one of the first to do that kinda things with the gameplay yeah I could kinda understand that but still it isn’t like they’re hiding the dark stuff too hard
Sweet new Twisted Metal Content. Awesome
Twisted metal black messed me up as a kid lol some of those stories were horrific
Game was so good
And if Dollface did keep her original backstory, it would have made the decision to kill her father even more satisfying. I know, that's a weird thing to say, but it would show that she wasn't about to let even family get away with tormenting her. Kreel was just her boss; it would have been easy to punish him. There are abused people who value their family even if they abused them. Darkside's driver killing her father would have symbolized that if your family acted like that, you would be better off severing the ties. Granted you probably shouldn't kill them unless your life depended on it, but I still see the message of "if they don't value you, then screw them figuratively." Oh, and if he murdered her mother, that makes the revenge even better!
The little girl in Outlaws story is Dollface's original model, just with different hair.
8:05 chris chan lmao
It seems like a lot of these additions tie them all more into the theme of family
what was jon tron making an appearance for??
That outlaw ending is intense
I’m glad I’m not the only one who was freaked out by the No Face cutscenes. I can’t handle facial injuries in horror films because that messed me up so much haha. I saw it at age 12 before my mom knew about game ratings so I got it for Christmas.
I didn't really get into Twisted Metal Black....you get to the first major mini-boss (Calypso) and he's next-to-impossible to beat unless you manage to trap him on a slope where his wheels can't make contact with the ground due to his truck being so damn long. Then you can just lay into him with impunity. The trick is getting him to slow down and come to a damn near stand-still with the middle of his truck situated over one of the sloped ramps so he can't gain any traction and get away or chase you.
I see you are a man of culture 8:18
The narrator for crazy taxi sounds just like turnip similar to a minute hour
I just thought of something. Maybe Mr Grim's war buddy being nammed Benny might be a reference to "I have no mouth and I must scream." There was a character in that story who fought in the vietnam war who had the same name. And considering black's darker tones it wouldn't be out of place.
LMAO that jontron cut was amazing, if u know, u know
I remember playing this on the ps2 when I was 5 and my dad was surprised I was unlocking more levels and characters than he got to play
Man its surreal when people are perfectly fine with the most sickening, horrifying things in fiction, the darkest things you could imagine for things but it's tolerable cause it's just pixels, then go on to say other things are too much
Insanity
Too answer your question in the video thumbnail... No.
The voice at 8:40 really reminds me of Frank from Mega64. Could it be? 🤔
Shame that they cut the endings for the dutch market.
But played this game till it didn't boot up.
But now with a emulator i can still enjoy this great game with the endings included.
It was censored everywhere in Europe, which can be a part why TM never truly got popular in Europe
Okay that JonTron Russian gag really got me laughing good
Junkyard Dog looks A LOT like TNO from Planescape Torment.
13:55 Maybe they were going to name him after Edward Norton
Too far? Considering the name is twisted metal black, seems to be within course.
5:30 the "edgelord/edgy" accusation gets thrown out too often. Same thing applies here.
You can include dark and macabre subject matter in a way that isn't just shock for the sake of it. To a lot of people just mentioning "I killed an infant" is enough to get the same emotion as actually showing the deed happen. There isn't much of a benefit outside of "look how messed up we are, we animated a baby getting murdered"
in fact there is a good argument to be made about how the human mind often conjures up way more horrific details if you opt to not show something gruesome and instead just describe it.
So yeah, people who are like "they should've shown the baby murder" will have the label of edgelord thrown at them since it really feels like they aren't in it for the "artistic expression" they just wanna say they have a game with a baby murder in it because it shocks people.
"something terribly offensive" thanks for reminded me of that I've been trying to find that video for awhile i just subscribed
A Drue Langlois fan I see, I bopped the subscribe button for that alone
More on this Minon In the game when playing as them changes the loading screen to codes where each number is what letter it is.
Didn't know about some of these! 👀 Good watch!
For the narration of Black I like to think it's Mr. Ash who is speaking.
I just appreciate the changes to the writing of some stories because the original versions of a few of them just tend to come off like the edgiest imaginings of a 15 year old atheist.
For sure. I think the only ones I maybe would've kept were the original Darkside and Outlaw endings.
The only popular game series that I can think of that features children is Oblivion and Skyrim.
And there are mods to change their programmed invulnerability...
Overall, not including children in videogames is an alright decision, unless it's a game made for children, or is an 'all audiences' kind of game, like spyro, the simpsons, or crash bandicoot.
I wonder if John Doe originally being called Ed was a nod to some likeness to Ed Norton's American History X character. Especially if he was originally going to be in a racist gang and had a good arc but tragic ending.
you talking about No-Face was being in a certain creek without a paddle
but talking about Mary is “Welp. There goes the canoe.”
Bro the Yellow Jacket voiceover sounds exactly like Chris Chan 😂
Same lmao
You should see the PAL alternate cutscenes :D
The pal was so bad :(
I loved how dark these were, i was way too young but I loved horror, still do. I rewatch them once and a while.😂
Yellow jacket sounded like Chris Chan.
I had Twisted Metal Black.... Never finished it. Well i have it.... Bought it on the PS Store on my PS3. Jus need a PS3 to play it...
I’ll never understand the whole “edgy = bad” stance outside of discomfort, why should something be toned down for those who most likely aren’t the target audience.
Implication isn’t always superior to explicitly depicting something. It works fine yes but the nuance is often lost on the more sensitive viewers. Censorship hardly improves games, especially since they’re way more strict with game ratings than they are with literally any other form of media.
Our man sweet tooth was blown up in the first 45 seconds. RIP.
There’s also the version where you get absolutely no content no cutscenes not even driver descriptions
Just the credits
My game had no cutscenes other than the the heli and minion exploding. I never worked out why
8:04 is that Chris chan
Hearing The Minute Hour reference made me subscribe
It will never make sense to me how ppl feel like someone who wants to genocide literally the entirety of humanity is somehow less evil or more disturbing than someone who wants to genocide specific race/races.
If I had to make a guess, I think roadkills driver was implied to be a neo nazi and the racist tattoos and placeholder name Ed is in reference to American history X and actor Edward Norton who starred in it
I do recall David Jaffe was also loosely inspired by that film when he created Kratos
Black was awesome sauce, got it as soon as it was available on the ps4
John Does tattoo isn't some random symbol, it's a Black Sun.