I own both and can honestly say the 300m Seamaster seems to be the better of the two. I am more attached to my Subbie as I’ve have owned it a long time. I also own a vintage Zodiac Sea Wolf and prefer to wear it over the other two. Remember, buy a watch for you. Nothing you wear on your wrist will open doors for you. If anything, it will turn off a lot of people. There are many watches that are better quality than a Rolex, so get the one you want, not the one everyone else wants.
Not too many watches better in quality then Rolex, especially in the steel sports. The Omega is not better in any way! If you say that you don’t own a Sub or maybe it’s the 5 digit
@@torontowatches9709 many watch reviewers and experts would argue differently. Perhaps horology isn't your main interest, maybe your area of expertise lies elsewhere.
I have both and the problem is that since the "strange but true" shortage of the Sub I have started treating it like a precious piece of jewelry, however due to the easy availability and relative affordability of the Seamaster I treat it as a watch.....and thereby enjoy it more....not sure if others who own both resonate with this , however both are fantastic watches with amazing history and pedigree.
Agree! I actually sold my Omega Planet Ocean because I just could not justify wearing a $6,600 watch to put gas in my car or go to the grocery store, or hike on a mountain. Instead, I bought a slightly used Sinn 104 for a little over $1000, and wear that for those tasks. I do have two Omega's, a GMT 50th anniversary, and a Seamaster Chronograph from the late 90s, Which I enjoy very much, but I don't think I'll ever be able to wear a really expensive watch in public again.
Yes this happened with me. The world went nuts. Sold my 114060 for 10.5k at market peak. Ended up purchasing a SMP300 green @25% off and a black bay 54. Very happy 😊
I have a Casio G-Shock GMW-B5000TFC and a Rolex Sea-Dweller 116600. The Rolex is my everyday watch. I baby the G-Shock because it's so rare, even though it's a lot cheaper.
The Rolex is slightly more timeless but that being said I think the seamaster is a better overall watch. I just purchased the SMP and let me tell you, photos don't do its beauty Justice
@@sergezerkin did I mention anything about the comfort and size on any of them ???? The sub is the better size imo but the SMP wears smaller than 42. Nobody was attacking the sub. It's probably the most iconic watch of all time for good reason. That being said I do believe you get much more watch for the money with the Omega then the Rolex. And no I'm not a Rolex hater, I have one and think they are impeccable watches
Good video overall but IMO there is a significant flaw in your grading: The Price category. Part of why you gave Rolex an 8 is because of value retention, yet that is also its own category. Hence value retention should not be considered in the price category to avoid double counting. The Price cat should only consider what you get for the money, in which case the Sub would score lower than 8.
I've never owned an omega but that's my choice. I feel rolex has lost its watch making character and have become purely a wealth symbol. I think I may purchase a sea master for my collection in the near future.
Whether Rolex is a symbol of wealth is entirely up to you. If you wear it like a tool watch, it's a tool watch. If you wear it to show off, it's a symbol of wealth. I've worn many watches over the many years I've been alive, and I've always taken them off after a few hours because they start to irritate me. The Rolex is the first watch I can wear the entire day without noticing it's on my wrist. It's supremely comfortable.
I think if we are to compare the value retention then it is necessary to also compare the availability to be fair because that’s the main factor driving the price of pre owned market. For this I’d say the Seamaster gets 10/10 while sub gets 7/10 😊
Wins what? sub is much more iconic, has better value retention, is much more versatile everyday wearer and is the absolute standard for a sports/divers watch. So again, better at what?
That's what they call anecdotal evidence. Just because your Omega keeps better time than your Rolex, doesn't mean that's true for all Omegas and all Rolexes. That's dependent on when the watch was last serviced, who serviced it, how well they serviced it, and whether and to what extent it was regulated.
@@rafaeloliva6425 I don't know why people keep going on and on about value retention. Value retention only matters when you sell the watch, and when you sell the watch you obviously aren't satisfied with it. I could argue the same about the purchase price, since what you paid for it doesn't matter once you own the watch, though I do understand that which one you can buy may be determined by your budget. I would love to own a Rolex 5517 Submariner, but since I don't have a quarter of million to spend, I won't be getting one. Brand history is also overrated. Who cares how long a watch company has been in business, or who went to the bottom of the ocean first? That has absolutely no bearing on the watch on your wrist. That watch was likely made in the last 20 years and has never been to the bottom of the ocean. Whether the brand has existed for 70 or 170 years means absolutely nothing when your watch isn't anywhere close to that age.
Sure you can pick a favorite child. Every parent does it, they just don't tell anyone. @@davidoffcohiba2055 Sounds like you don't understand the concept of certification. Reliability of Rolex is at the very least on par with the Omega, and probably surpasses it. The co-axial escapement is a more efficient escapement, but not more reliable. And METAS certification was introduced by Omega. Watches can exceed METAS testing standards without being certified. There's no need for Rolex to send their watches to METAS just to receive a certification. They do with Tudor watches, which all pass, and the Rolex models far exceed the specifications of their more affordable Tudor brand. Omega likes to tout their watches can withstand magnetic fields of over 15,000 Gauss, but so can any Rolex movement with a parachrom or silicon hairspring.
Omega all the way for me. My dad wore a Seamaster. I wear a Speedmaster, and they're both going to my son. Plus, you can't beat that co-axial movement for technology. First time viewer and I liked it!
Rolex already smashed the Omega Co-Axial in their updated SeaDweller 43mm. Rolex released their response to the Omega Co-Axial, and Omega haven’t come back since. Learn your shit 💩
I sold my Sub maxi case and bough a Seamster 300m, the seamaster is just better engineered for me. I like the chunky bracelet and its high tech. I'm a watch nerd haha
@@CodyVella How is it better, Rolex looks better, people value it more, it has better history and it kept the same look since it came out. How many Sea Master will come out not looking like the original, specially with that hideous wart on the side and that none tapering bracelet, what a movement that that you need a measurement to see the accuracy get out of here with that Omega looks ugly I’m sorry.
@@frankv7068 I think your personality tells everything agree ugly 😂 I have a sub same one it’s been in my safe for 4 years and let me tell u I got the omega 300 diver ! Definitely love it much better looking and better movement and do you know what’s the greatest thing men the finish flawless u don’t even know what the heck you’re talking about get lost buddy 👌👎
I'm a big Omega fan, but also like Rolex. Both are terrific watches, other than price, I think it comes down to personal preference as you can't go wrong with either. As for this video...absolutely brilliant Andrei. Well done my friend 👏 👍 🙌
Well, the Rolex is two Times more expensive for the same shit and a bit less of specs, and you can’t get one new, you need to get a 15 grant pre owned one. But it is really a 5 grant watch. I prefer by far the omega. For 10-15 grants, I’d rather pick a GO SeaQ, a Bp 50phatom or a GS diver (the one with the black dial that looks like a weavy ocean at night).
@@carlito1777 Not even close to the same shut. The sub blows it away in iconic staus, is much more of a daily wear for all occasions, it won't look obsolete because a new iterations comes out every couple of years and sure as shit you're not going to take a 30% hit when you try and get rid of it.
Discovering your channel now… funny and self aware. The competition between two heavy hitters can’t have a winner. And the video plays well this theme. Pick what speaks to you as a collector and enjoy the playing with the decision and never take yourself too seriously… loved the video, Andrei!
@rafaeloliva6425 most omega yes. But the one I'm talking about was so light when I tried it on. Just perfect I've moved on anyway. Saving for a Longines Spirit 37mm black dial
@@Valera_Scotland I thought the same thing when I held the watches in my hand, but once it's properly sized and on your wrist, you don't notice the weight. I wear a 116600 Sea-Dweller, and I forget I'm wearing it most of the time.
I have the 116610LN Sub and also the white Seamaster and it's very difficult to choose between the two. If you take away the branding and cost / resale of the watches for me the Seamaster wins but only just.
@@steelsteez6118 Sorry, I've only just seen your reply, six months later. Yes I do think the Sub is a bit classic / boring and the Seamaster is a more modern / exciting watch. Even after six months of my original post I'm wearing the Seamaster today and my Sub spends most of it's time in the box.
Great video. Personally my favourite iteration of this generation of Seamaster is the slightly larger 43.5mm all-ceramic black Seamaster - incredible wrist presence, flies under the radar and feels more premium than the SS models. I have a 114060 and love it, but it is an incredibly boring watch.
I like the Seamaster. I do. I want to like it more! But the Sub is just smarter & classier imho. It’s more grown-up somehow. Side by side the Rolex looks like the man versus the boy….
A really excellent production - funny, well filmed and edited - nice one! But, of course you can't win, you're gonna get it in the neck from one half of the mild and unbiased watch community whatever way! My perspective is that they are very different watches, doing different things. The Omega is overtly sporty and its design has got louder with each iteration. The Rolex was the ultimate GADA, but has grown bolder, less nuanced. For me, the Omega is too flash and brash, but the Rolex is now a tad obvious, a bit of a meat-head, less charming in its middle age! But that's all subjective - from an objective, technical view, the Rolex is mostly better - a tougher movement, better case and bezel and more legible dial (let alone the bracelet). Although Omega's dial accuracy (marker placement, lame evenness) is at least equal and in my experience has better QC. Then, the Rolex its virtually twice the price and simply not twice as good. Omega could easily ace it with a re-imagining of the 165024!
Why are their so many channels on RUclips that say Omega is better than Rolex and when they get the call from Rolex they post a video as if it’s their Grail watch. It’s ok Rolex is better but Omega is also great.
Booo! :) I have the SMP and also happen to like the Sub. Both great watches for sure. The Sub is an icon that even back 60 years can still be recognised from the original - the SMP is somewhat newer and doesn’t have that iconic look (yet). I am very happy with my Omega, and of the two it’s be the only one that I could walk into a shop, try and buy within minutes…. not months/years (if you have the right ‘relationship’ with an AD!). Surely accessibility should be a factor ‘can a normal person, with the available credit, buy one?’ Great vid, thanks!
The seamaster is a far more compelling offering when wearing it with the bracelet. In my opinion you shouldn't be comparing a sub and an omega one on a bracelet and the other on a rubber strap.
Right. I like the looks of the rubber but I tried it on both rubber and bracelet and the seamaster 300m bracelets gives it a stunning presence. I makes it look higher up. It would be nice to see the comparison also involving bracelets. I never tried the sub on my wrist.
I prefer this battle with Rubber straps. If it was with the bracelet, the Seamaster would have lost. Oyster is just the most comfortable bracelet ever. Tapering is the key. Seamaster is 21mm all the way.. too clunky…
@@zjhongolez The new Seamaster 300m bracelet can be adjusted so easily it is a breeze to wear. It looks great on that watch. There is a reason the Sub doesn't come in a rubber strap.
if prices and availability were the same then Rolex will lose its edge because Omega is obviously the better-engineered watch between the two. The only thing going on for Rolex is hype
I have both.... OMEGA because over the last three years they have shown they value customers and don't expect customers to jump through hoops to "get" one of their watches at MSRP..... ROLEX is dead to me
My refusal to play the Rolex game is the reason I bought Omega and even with Omega's elimination of discounts I offered to pay cash, so the jeweler would not incur the dealer's service charge, then when I asked they gave me a 10% discount.
@@rafaeloliva6425 Hi Rafael, I guess the obvious answer is if the watch is that good, why would I sell it? This comment is over a year old. The fatigue I guess came from the hype, the alleged AD games, Rolex corporate deciding to drop mom and pop ADs (stores that help build their company). But, putting all that aside, I've come to realize I'm just not a Rolex guy. They are fantastic watches, but they are just not for me. I've had two and sold them both. Im too old to buy a watch I don't care for because it has good resale value. I hope you wear yours in good health.
@scottlalonde2878 Thanks for your kind wishes, I enjoy discussing watches with others aficionados, and you made good valid points.Enjoy your timepieces in good health as well.
9.0 score vs 9.1 yet theres a 4,000 price difference. 😂 Rolex is only good as an investment. Other than that, the Omega is higher quality in almost every way.
As a content creator you have done well at this video and I will give you full marks for this. I don't agree with your conclusion but that's ok. The world is very interesting because no one thinks the same way so that's a good thing.
Great review/comparison! The seamaster bezel action is definitely nowhere near as good as Rolex and not as good as Tudor as well. One thing that I found really surprising is just how plain the caseback of Sub looked at 10:50. Even Tudor Bb58 looks nicer than that, let alone the Seamaster, which is miles ahead!
How come Rolex got higher rating than Omega for use of "precious metals" like white gold? Rhodium is a much more expensive precious metal than white gold. You can google and check out daily price of Rhodium, Gold, Platinum, etc. Today's price is $4,200 per ounce for Rhodium and $1,835 for gold. The 2 things I can agree that Rolex is better are the bracelet and bezel clicks. As for the rest, it's hands down to Omega including the movement.
You should be comparing the new 41mm submariner date. That’s more an apple to apple. Seamaster wins case back, less expensive, better anti magnetic. Sub wins bracelet, bezel, nicer case shape. I’ve owned both, I kept the sub.
You forgot to mention iconic status, much more versatile everyday and every occasion. If you bought the Omega at retail, I'm pretty sure you loss money, which would not happen with the Sub.
@@rafaeloliva6425 the submariner was an under retail watch before and I think it will be again, with the exception of the green model or other hard to get one
@808Stevie That the Submariner may someday become an under retail watch might possibly happen. However, even after the used luxury watch market correction, the stainless Submariner market value is still significantly well above retail But that's conjecture on your part. The fact of the matter is that purchasing a new Omega will lose value the second you walk out your AD'S door. Omega, is not presently and will never be an over retail watch. Rolexes retain their value and are so much easier to sell if you ever wish to do so. The Submariner is and will remain the gold standard for luxury sports watches. That's a fact and not my opinion or conjecture.
@rafaeloliva6425 Sounds like the words of a true Rolex fanboy. If you like watches resale value shouldn’t matter that much (unless you can’t afford one). You’re buying the Rolex hype and wearing one makes you feel validated, which is ok. You’ve replied to every other comment to tell everyone you have a Sub….the ugliest sub ever manufactured BTW.
Not really; this SM should be compared to the current gen Sub, just as the last gen Sub smoked the previous gen SM 300. The coaxial is impressive but the current gen Rolex movements are better imo: more accurate, longer PR by far (50 vs 70), longer service intervals (5 - 8 vs 10). And they’re both antimagnetic, though Rolex doesn’t give stats except to say it’s ‘impervious’. And the Sub does it all without sacrificing beat rate like the coaxial does. Both fine movements, but I prefer the Rolex 32XX movements. I own both.
@@gfxdaddy I'll quantify it for you. The accuracy and power reserve are somewhat linked and results often mentioned in comment sections are very elementary. The sub has PR of 70hrs but what is conflated is that the watch maintains accuracy for the full PR. In fact the watch will fall out of accuracy long before expiration of PR. What's the point of 70 hrs PR if you have to pull the crown to adjust the time before it stops Both Sub and SMP run from a single mainspring. As a power source this spring will deliver power with exponentially depleting torque. The majority of the explosive power is stored at the end of the springs compression and is thus the depleted very quickly when the spring unwinds. Making the tail end of the spring irrelevant. I have spoken with many watch makers asking how much of the PR is relevant in regards to accuracy. The general opinion I received is that most watches should maintain accuracy for 50% of the PR but it depends greatly on each movement beyond that. It is also relevant to consider accuracy in this case would likely be COSC standard not Superlative or METAS. There are things watch makers can do to extend the accuracy within the PR such as duel barrel PR and mainspring shape. Both Sub and SMP are similar enough here. If we look at accuracy yes Sub is -2 +2 and Omega is just off the mark at 0 +5. However as mentioned above, for what range of the PR can they maintain it. Rolex - well their notorious for secrecy, but they have said too much on their website. They advertise the superlative testing is for 24hrs in a device that replicates real life. In other words, the watch is tested in a watch winder by Rolex. Now I do anticpate that the main spring will still experience depletion, but we don't know by how much. I do at this point wish to speculate though. Replicating a real life day would indicate a period overnight of low movement or static. Let's give benifit of the doubt and go with static. I will speculate the static period is 7 hrs, this is both reasonable and easy mathematically. 7 hrs is 10%. Let's now give more benefit of the doubt and round up to 15% or 10.5hrs. it is highly unlikely the Superlative test subjects the mainspring to anything more than this. So the Sub accuracy is good, but tested over a very narrow PR range. In relation to at what point will it fall out of accuracy, well, I don't know, can it maintain Superlative or COSC beyond 50%. Well again, we don't know as it isn't tested, COSC probably but Superlative, there is a yawn gap to bridge here so I doubt it Omega- these are tested by METAS who are far more transparent. The accuracy rating is 1 second off Rolex. Metas attend the manufacturer and conduct their own test (Third party varied) they specifically test the watch to 70% main spring depletion. So Omega must maintain METAS accuracy for 70% of PR. 70% of 55 hr PR is 38ish hours. This is vastly longer than the Sub. This is also where the PR doesn't look as good, the SMP is maintaining accuracy for a huge chunk of the PR, again something the sub isn't tested to. I will speculate again here that the co axial is the reason for this. The efficiency gains compared to Swiss leaver gives an advantage in torque transfer to the balance wheel allowing greater accuracy throughout the PR. So even though the sub has substantially longer PR. The SMP is still competitive in this argument. There are a lot of unknowns here I know, but the Omega is clearly heavily underrated.
@@gfxdaddy the "better in every way" "superior watch" "king wears the crown" is what lead me to my own research. So many people claim to have identified the better movement through their own experience/testing/opinion. The problem here is both bias and whether any relevant paramaters are being controlled consistently across the testing. I agree that so many people regugitating unverified opinion as facts. It's not enough for me to accept one is better or more accurate, why, what is it that makes it so, how do I know I can trust that opinion. I personally would love to see an independent laboratory compare many different movements in a consistent manner. I don't believe I know enough to call the winner, But I doubt that would ever happen anyway.
@@gfxdaddy your a Rolex fan and that's fine, have at it, their fantastic. But METAS is the better spec. You can say want you want about 'your experience' but the reality is we all have bias. This was my point. I have seen people claim the same from the Omega perspective. Look at what is tested if the spec matters to you, if it doesn't that's fine also. Regardless what magical results you or any Omega only fan claims they have observed, those comments are irrelevant, sample size is small and bias is likely. Rolex don't test their accuracy over much of their PR, how much, I don't know but my reasons for believing it to be small is justified. METAS test their accuracy over a huge chunk of the their PR. This is why METAS is the better spec and why the accuracy is actually better even though the window is bigger. Omega test for accuracy and precision, Rolex don't. I like Rolex but I am cautious of their marketing, they are the best in the business, I suspect there is a reason why the accuracy is not tested over a larger PR range, I suspect it won't be maintained, and the marketing is more important. The reality is I'll probably never know. if I was Rolex, and the movement from Omega had me worried, I would narrow the PR range and chase a narrower accuracy window as well. Not saying this is what has happened, just being open minded about it.
I own both these watches - Seamaster in blue and a black Sub Date 126610LN. In all honesty, the Sub gets all the wrist time and I rarely wear the Seamaster anymore. It's just more versatile than the Seamaster which looks more sporty. It's also much more comfortable on the wrist, the Seamaster's bracelet is too sharp and uncomfortable and the watch is too heavy and "bulky" to be a true comfortable daily watch. There is no doubt either that the Sub is more iconic - it's instantly recognisable (which some people hate) and is "the" dive watch that everyone tries to emulate or takes some inspiration from in their designs (even the Seamaster). Technically, I would say they are the same in terms of specs and how "good" the watch is. The Omega wins in some aspecllllnd the Roex in others. In terms of value, again it's debatable. There is no doubt that you get more watch for your money with the Seamaster - it's half the price pretty much, even a third on the secondary market. But then if you are able to buy it at retail price and have the cash to get the Sub at retail, arguably the Rolex is better value, as it retains its value and actually can be sold for more on the secondary market than you bought it for, whereas the Seamaster will lose around 30%-40% of its value...overall, as an owner of both, I'd say if you have the funds for the Submariner then get it. If you don't, or you want bang for your buck, then go with the Seamaster. You can't go wrong either way - both are great!
The strong anti-magnetic properties of the watch are a testament to its quality. I have owned my Omega watch for five years now, and it has been working perfectly.
My man, brave beaters is turning into one of the best channels on watches. Some lose their identity when they get bigger Keep it up. be safe, but stay brave haha
WTF? The Rolex Submariner is leagues ahead of the Omega SMP300 I’ve owned 3x new Seamasters both on bracelets and rubber straps and now own the new 41mm Submariner Date. The Seamaster bracelet has sharp edges and no taper with a clasp that digs into your wrist and pushers that failed on me that I couldn’t take the watch off. On another Seamaster the external AR coating got scratched from doing nothing only after a few months. The Submariner is by far more comfortable, wearable, accurate, iconic watch with more brand prestige and value retention.
I have both. The Sub is more of a watch. The Omega has a lot of contraditory fonts. The dial doesn't match the bezel and vice-versa. I much prefer the classic dial language of the Sub. The Seamaster is also chunckier on wrist. I think many people buys the Seamaster because the Sub is hard to get. Other people start rationalizing and go for the Omega, some even develop some hate for Rolex, but deep deep from the bottom they aspire for the Sub. The Sub is unbeatable.
i own both.. i have to say both are great, but both have been struggling with QC issues with leaving a tiny spec of something under the crystal or on the hands.
I have the Omega 2265.80 a brilliant watch that takes a beating and looks good doing it. And just acquired a 124060 and it comes out on special occasions. Of yo want a watch, Omega. If you want a statement, Rolex. Both will be well loved. 🥰
I personally purchased a year ago a new Omega SMP 300M black W/steel strap. I wear my Omega daily and I love this watch! I am also on the waiting list a my local Rolex AD for a Rolex submariner date in oyster steel. They told me 3 to 4 years waiting list. I’m still waiting for my call from my Rolex AD.
I own two mid-1960s 5513s - in my beloved "the memories" collection which has powerful emotional value, never for swimming. And four less expensive neovintage sword hand SMPs in my functional "the deep" collection. For swimming. So both categories complete each other. Modern Sub or modern SMP ? Not for me, my "deep" is complete. I also have a 1500 m SuperOcean Abyss on rubber with glidelock and thicker sapphire in the "deep". Other categories in the collection : the "legacy", the "fun" and the "formals".
Rolex no only is double in price but also the price go up for reason Omega don’t go up. I believe Omega is more casual and Rolex is more classic. If I could I will pick both. Nice video.
I have a Rolex Datejust as a dressy watch and got the SMP300 as daily. I think the Omega diver is better than the Sub but as a brand, Rolex has more prestige. Happy to have both brands in my collection
Why did Rolex win?.... If you don't know the answer to that one you shouldn't be watching this vid. Value retention and marketing... Don't get me wrong, the Sub is a great and beautiful watch, However the people who buy into the Rolex game.. just because of the name without any appreciation for the engineering are the problem? Rant over 🤣 Great vid 👍
I showed the mid finger to rolex AD and bought Omega in one of their boutique! Now I own Seamaster Summerblue! Love it! I will never buy rolex anymore! PP, AP, VC - for sure but no rolex!
I’m relatively new to the watch world and I’ve recently been looking at a speedmaster with the white dial. My friend is big into Rolexes and he’s really trying to push me in that direction. But then he tells me I have to get into good relationship with the dealer and I have to get on the list, etc. I’m not playing these games for a watch that is not even a better product. It reminds me of the Harley Davidson crew. I’ve owned Harleys and I’ve owned other motorcycles and I’ll tell you Harleys are not better than most. It seems that there are Harley Davidson people and motorcycle people same as Watch people and Rolex people.
They are the two most iconic chronographs of course. But the comparison stops here. The build quality, finish, reliability is from another world with the Daytona vs the Speedmaster
@@kls1912NASA compared them. The Daytona lost. Not hating on the Rolex, I would take a Daytona over a speedmaster any day. It’s a much more attractive watch. I would also take a yachtmaster over a submariner any day, again, a much more attractive watch. As for the seamaster vs the submariner I would buy a seamaster before the sub. I think both watches are equal. Even in appearance I do not prefer one over the other. So it comes down to price. I can get a watch that is equal to the submariner for half the price.
WTF? The Rolex Submariner is leagues ahead of the Omega SMP300 I’ve owned 3x new Seamasters both on bracelets and rubber straps and now own the new 41mm Submariner Date. The Seamaster bracelet has sharp edges and no taper with a clasp that digs into your wrist and pushers that failed on me that I couldn’t take the watch off. On another Seamaster the external AR coating got scratched from doing nothing only after a few months. The Submariner is by far more comfortable, wearable, accurate, iconic watch with more brand prestige and value retention.
@@MikoTheTomCat while u are paying $13k for a sub, for an omega u r paying $5k, I dig the bracelet it looks good but that's my opinion, the AR coating? I own a planet ocean from 2015 and stills perfect, that is depend on the owner, mines perfect, perfect dial, perfect lume bicolor, perfect display caseback, great movement, great box, great ceramic bezel, and all that just for $5k, u have to almost 3 times for a watch that's no superior to the seamaster. Great 👏🏻.
The Submariner is clearly the better watch. Ive owned 2 Seamasters and sold both. The design is too busy and the watch is too thick for my taste. The Sub oozes class and refinement. Its also a timeless design which you won't get bored off unlike the Seamaster. This is coming from someone who loves both brands
Geez, no comparison Rolex Sub No diver like A weak wave pattern dial Skeleton hands Theres a reason, Rolex Sub most copied watch in the World. Now, an Omega ploprof wins all day long for toughness! I am beyond an expert
I'm usually more torn towards Omega, but I can't stand the design of the SMP300. In this case my winner is clearly the Submariner, especially since it is the no-date variant.
@@BraveBeaters The bezel has a weird shape with its "dents", the helium escape valve looks unaesthetic to me, the skeletonized hands are illegible, super weird looking steel bracelet that doesn’t taper, etc. It has an amazing movement, a date at 6 and I really like the materials used, but the design never caught me at all.
@@ToolwatchBoutique If there was a single person capable of contradicting themselves, it’s you. You being by saying how you love the Seamaster before criticising it clearly without any real understanding of the aspects you find negative. The bezel shape is perfectly easy to grip whilst maintaining a design which is clearly different to the Submariner. It’s also in a class of its own whereas the Sub is the most copied watch ever. You’re not very bright are you?
@@IrishScribbler Why so salty? First of all I’ve never said that I „love the Seamaster…“ where exactly? I said that I am more torn towards the brand Omega. Secondly I don’t care about how gRiPpY the bezel is, it’s still hideous. Don’t be so triggered because other people dislike your watch choice, that’s rather childish.
Ah, you picked the wrong Seamaster - my Seamaster 300 ( the heritage one) knocks spots off both - more history, more understated, just way more classy & classic.....but I may be a tad biased 😁 Cheers mate 👍👍
Based on looks alone, i like the seamaster better. Based on timekeeping accuracy though, the rolex superlative chronometer keeps better time than the omega co axial master chronometer. This is just based on my personal watches of course. Great video. 😊
@@ALL-il1sw yes i agree, individual results may vary but for my own sample size of 1 (haha), my sub is running at about 1.5 secs per day while my seamaster is at 4 secs per day-sometimes doesnt even reach 24 hours to gain another 4 secs.
@@ryangochuico I'm not talking individual pieces I'm talking tested accuracy over the tested range of power reserve. Omega is quite impressive of the parameters that are set for their testing
Brand and history add nothing to the watch, just to the lore. It's fugazi. Value retention adds nothing to the watch, only when you sell it, and then you don't have the watch anymore so who cares. Bond appeal adds nothing to the watch. Bond is a fictional character. You might as well call it costume designer appeal or screenwriter appeal. And if you're going to add it, Ian Fleming wrote James Bond wore a Rolex, and the Omega came about from a promotion deal between Omega and the studio, so the Rolex connection is earned and the Omega connection is bought. So what's left: Dial: Omega: 9 / Rolex: 10 (matter of taste) Design: Omega: 10 / Rolex: 9 (matter of taste) Versatility: Omega 9 / Rolex: 9 Wearability: Omega 8 / Rolex: 10 Movement: Omega: 9 / Rolex: 7 (highly debatable) Price: Omega: 9 / Rolex: 8 (only applicable to the time of purchase) Total: Omega: 54/60 Rolex: 53/60 In the end, buy what you like. If your heart goes towards the Submariner, get the Submariner. if your heart goes towards the Seamaster, get the Seamaster. Don't let anyone tell you you bought the wrong watch. You are the ultimate arbiter of what you like better.
I own both and can honestly say the 300m Seamaster seems to be the better of the two. I am more attached to my Subbie as I’ve have owned it a long time. I also own a vintage Zodiac Sea Wolf and prefer to wear it over the other two. Remember, buy a watch for you. Nothing you wear on your wrist will open doors for you. If anything, it will turn off a lot of people. There are many watches that are better quality than a Rolex, so get the one you want, not the one everyone else wants.
Not too many watches better in quality then Rolex, especially in the steel sports. The Omega is not better in any way! If you say that you don’t own a Sub or maybe it’s the 5 digit
Good watch mean you have style because I don’t see any style if pout Apple watch. 😅🤣
@@valentinomc Speak English motherfk Apple Watch 🤣🤣🤣
Actually a gold Rolex will open doors, trust me I’ve seen it on a close friend many times, a steel Rolex won’t do shit though
@@torontowatches9709 many watch reviewers and experts would argue differently. Perhaps horology isn't your main interest, maybe your area of expertise lies elsewhere.
I have both and the problem is that since the "strange but true" shortage of the Sub I have started treating it like a precious piece of jewelry, however due to the easy availability and relative affordability of the Seamaster I treat it as a watch.....and thereby enjoy it more....not sure if others who own both resonate with this , however both are fantastic watches with amazing history and pedigree.
Me too. SM is my beater, Sub at work and trusted places and Speedy when I dont wear the Sub out to nice places.
Great comment! I have a sub, but I am in the market for a 300m to use for travel and low-risk beater tasks (g-shock takes the worst beater jobs)
Agree! I actually sold my Omega Planet Ocean because I just could not justify wearing a $6,600 watch to put gas in my car or go to the grocery store, or hike on a mountain. Instead, I bought a slightly used Sinn 104 for a little over $1000, and wear that for those tasks. I do have two Omega's, a GMT 50th anniversary, and a Seamaster Chronograph from the late 90s, Which I enjoy very much, but I don't think I'll ever be able to wear a really expensive watch in public again.
Yes this happened with me. The world went nuts. Sold my 114060 for 10.5k at market peak. Ended up purchasing a SMP300 green @25% off and a black bay 54. Very happy 😊
I have a Casio G-Shock GMW-B5000TFC and a Rolex Sea-Dweller 116600.
The Rolex is my everyday watch. I baby the G-Shock because it's so rare, even though it's a lot cheaper.
The Rolex is slightly more timeless but that being said I think the seamaster is a better overall watch. I just purchased the SMP and let me tell you, photos don't do its beauty Justice
Agree, it looks much nicer in reality
bro you must be smoking something .. have you ever tried a sub ? the comfort and the size can never be even compared with the seamster...
@@sergezerkin did I mention anything about the comfort and size on any of them ???? The sub is the better size imo but the SMP wears smaller than 42. Nobody was attacking the sub. It's probably the most iconic watch of all time for good reason. That being said I do believe you get much more watch for the money with the Omega then the Rolex. And no I'm not a Rolex hater, I have one and think they are impeccable watches
@@sergezerkin he’s correct
@@sergezerkin I have the sub guy to be honest with you I don’t like it omega all the way guy you’re funny😂
Good video overall but IMO there is a significant flaw in your grading: The Price category. Part of why you gave Rolex an 8 is because of value retention, yet that is also its own category. Hence value retention should not be considered in the price category to avoid double counting. The Price cat should only consider what you get for the money, in which case the Sub would score lower than 8.
Exactly my thought. Price retention didn’t need to be in there. I felt it was added just to give Rolex a boost. Just another Rolex D rider, I guess. 😂
I've never owned an omega but that's my choice. I feel rolex has lost its watch making character and have become purely a wealth symbol. I think I may purchase a sea master for my collection in the near future.
Whether Rolex is a symbol of wealth is entirely up to you. If you wear it like a tool watch, it's a tool watch. If you wear it to show off, it's a symbol of wealth.
I've worn many watches over the many years I've been alive, and I've always taken them off after a few hours because they start to irritate me.
The Rolex is the first watch I can wear the entire day without noticing it's on my wrist. It's supremely comfortable.
I think if we are to compare the value retention then it is necessary to also compare the availability to be fair because that’s the main factor driving the price of pre owned market. For this I’d say the Seamaster gets 10/10 while sub gets 7/10 😊
I think that 7/10 availability for Rolex is a bit too kind 😅
I own both my Omega keeps better timing to my Rolex Submariner both are awesome watches the Omega wins all day
I think the sub is better lol I do agree both are awesome you can’t go wrong with either one or both.
Omega all the way
Wins what? sub is much more iconic, has better value retention, is much more versatile everyday wearer and is the absolute standard for a sports/divers watch.
So again, better at what?
That's what they call anecdotal evidence. Just because your Omega keeps better time than your Rolex, doesn't mean that's true for all Omegas and all Rolexes. That's dependent on when the watch was last serviced, who serviced it, how well they serviced it, and whether and to what extent it was regulated.
@@rafaeloliva6425 I don't know why people keep going on and on about value retention. Value retention only matters when you sell the watch, and when you sell the watch you obviously aren't satisfied with it.
I could argue the same about the purchase price, since what you paid for it doesn't matter once you own the watch, though I do understand that which one you can buy may be determined by your budget. I would love to own a Rolex 5517 Submariner, but since I don't have a quarter of million to spend, I won't be getting one.
Brand history is also overrated. Who cares how long a watch company has been in business, or who went to the bottom of the ocean first? That has absolutely no bearing on the watch on your wrist. That watch was likely made in the last 20 years and has never been to the bottom of the ocean. Whether the brand has existed for 70 or 170 years means absolutely nothing when your watch isn't anywhere close to that age.
For me it's like picking a favorite child , you can't do that :)) Both for me are great watches , each with their own flaws and qualities .
Omega " Métas" Rolex no Metas ! Donc la fiabilité des Rolex est de moins bonne qualité !
Sure you can pick a favorite child. Every parent does it, they just don't tell anyone.
@@davidoffcohiba2055 Sounds like you don't understand the concept of certification. Reliability of Rolex is at the very least on par with the Omega, and probably surpasses it. The co-axial escapement is a more efficient escapement, but not more reliable. And METAS certification was introduced by Omega. Watches can exceed METAS testing standards without being certified. There's no need for Rolex to send their watches to METAS just to receive a certification. They do with Tudor watches, which all pass, and the Rolex models far exceed the specifications of their more affordable Tudor brand.
Omega likes to tout their watches can withstand magnetic fields of over 15,000 Gauss, but so can any Rolex movement with a parachrom or silicon hairspring.
Omega all the way for me. My dad wore a Seamaster. I wear a Speedmaster, and they're both going to my son. Plus, you can't beat that co-axial movement for technology.
First time viewer and I liked it!
Same here :)
Rolex already smashed the Omega Co-Axial in their updated SeaDweller 43mm. Rolex released their response to the Omega
Co-Axial, and Omega haven’t come back since.
Learn your shit 💩
@@clambake3771
Agreed brother,
I sold my Sub maxi case and bough a Seamster 300m, the seamaster is just better engineered for me. I like the chunky bracelet and its high tech. I'm a watch nerd haha
You did a dumb move, congratulations you played yourself
@@frankv7068 he’s got a better watch
@@CodyVella How is it better, Rolex looks better, people value it more, it has better history and it kept the same look since it came out. How many Sea Master will come out not looking like the original, specially with that hideous wart on the side and that none tapering bracelet, what a movement that that you need a measurement to see the accuracy get out of here with that Omega looks ugly I’m sorry.
@@frankv7068 I think your personality tells everything agree ugly 😂 I have a sub same one it’s been in my safe for 4 years and let me tell u I got the omega 300 diver ! Definitely love it much better looking and better movement and do you know what’s the greatest thing men the finish flawless u don’t even know what the heck you’re talking about get lost buddy 👌👎
I’m definitely gonna sell my sub omega all the way love it company
I'm a big Omega fan, but also like Rolex. Both are terrific watches, other than price, I think it comes down to personal preference as you can't go wrong with either.
As for this video...absolutely brilliant Andrei. Well done my friend 👏 👍 🙌
Well, the Rolex is two Times more expensive for the same shit and a bit less of specs, and you can’t get one new, you need to get a 15 grant pre owned one.
But it is really a 5 grant watch.
I prefer by far the omega.
For 10-15 grants, I’d rather pick a GO SeaQ, a Bp 50phatom or a GS diver (the one with the black dial that looks like a weavy ocean at night).
@@carlito1777you can get them new you must wait or build a relationship.
@@carlito1777
Not even close to the same shut.
The sub blows it away in iconic staus, is much more of a daily wear for all occasions, it won't look obsolete because a new iterations comes out every couple of years and sure as shit you're not going to take a 30% hit when you try and get rid of it.
Discovering your channel now… funny and self aware. The competition between two heavy hitters can’t have a winner. And the video plays well this theme. Pick what speaks to you as a collector and enjoy the playing with the decision and never take yourself too seriously… loved the video, Andrei!
best comment i've read
If the Seamaster 300 just makes a better bracelet it is flawless
The heritage seamaster 300 has an amazing bracelet if you a fan of omega
If only Omega had tapering bracelet.
We live in an amazing time where both watches exist.
My ultimate would be the No Time to Die
It is so light! So comfy to wear. I find the steel sports Rolex and Omega too heavy and bulky generally
Dude the Omega is much bulkier than the Sub. Check the case width.
@rafaeloliva6425 most omega yes. But the one I'm talking about was so light when I tried it on. Just perfect
I've moved on anyway. Saving for a Longines Spirit 37mm black dial
@@Valera_Scotland I thought the same thing when I held the watches in my hand, but once it's properly sized and on your wrist, you don't notice the weight. I wear a 116600 Sea-Dweller, and I forget I'm wearing it most of the time.
@bloodymarvelous4790 thank you. I've changed my mind about the omega. May get a 5 digit sub or just a blue bb58 tudor
If Omega made a good looking bracelet for the Seamaster this wouldn’t be a contest.
Rolex have this amazing timeless feel for me ; I think this design and style could last forever
Nothing lasts forever.... Nothing !
@@antoinemozart243
Yeah, but Rolex won't change the overall look of the Sub every few years.
How many iterations of the Omega on the past 10 years?
@@antoinemozart243 But some things last longer than others.
@@bloodymarvelous4790 and who are you to know which things last longer than others ?
I have the 116610LN Sub and also the white Seamaster and it's very difficult to choose between the two. If you take away the branding and cost / resale of the watches for me the Seamaster wins but only just.
just got the blue one today it’s such a beautiful watch. the sea master . if the sub was more accessible il own one one day.
Do you ever feel like you get bored of the 116610LN? It's a great iconic watch and wears fantastic but also feels so boring.
@@steelsteez6118 Sorry, I've only just seen your reply, six months later. Yes I do think the Sub is a bit classic / boring and the Seamaster is a more modern / exciting watch. Even after six months of my original post I'm wearing the Seamaster today and my Sub spends most of it's time in the box.
@@steelsteez6118
I have the same watch 116610LN.
I find it super versatile and classic, not even close to boring.
Omega all the way!
Always :)
@@BraveBeaters *commenting while having my precious diver 300m on bracelet as my daily
I have both. I love both. I wear both about equally, but if I could only have one, I'd choose the Submariner.
I have the same sub and to be honest with you I’m not impressed definitely omega cuz the finish of the swatch is flawless
Of course you would, Omega just can't be the everyday and do everything watch that a Sub is.
Great video. Personally my favourite iteration of this generation of Seamaster is the slightly larger 43.5mm all-ceramic black Seamaster - incredible wrist presence, flies under the radar and feels more premium than the SS models. I have a 114060 and love it, but it is an incredibly boring watch.
Uuu the black dateless one. Beauty!
@@BraveBeaters Yes. That or the black ceramic 43.5mm with sedna gold, but it looks a little too much like a Yachtmaster.
Black
Black?
I love it
I have the same watch and I always get looks because of its presence. Even non-watch people ask me what kind of watch I am wearing :O
Lol loved this review. I love both although I prefer the Planet Ocean for Omega. Having said that, my son will be inheriting my Sub.
Sea master is a technically better watch than Submariner that just has a better second hand value because of Rolex holding back the units for sale.
I like the Seamaster. I do. I want to like it more! But the Sub is just smarter & classier imho. It’s more grown-up somehow. Side by side the Rolex looks like the man versus the boy….
not with the new case.... the pre maxi case was classier, elegant and sofisticated.
Maybe. Though the latest 41mm sizing replaces the maxi with slightly thinner lugs so the case appears less bulky.
That makes sense SMP man and sub boy. SMP after all is often claimed to be 'too big'
A really excellent production - funny, well filmed and edited - nice one! But, of course you can't win, you're gonna get it in the neck from one half of the mild and unbiased watch community whatever way! My perspective is that they are very different watches, doing different things. The Omega is overtly sporty and its design has got louder with each iteration. The Rolex was the ultimate GADA, but has grown bolder, less nuanced. For me, the Omega is too flash and brash, but the Rolex is now a tad obvious, a bit of a meat-head, less charming in its middle age!
But that's all subjective - from an objective, technical view, the Rolex is mostly better - a tougher movement, better case and bezel and more legible dial (let alone the bracelet). Although Omega's dial accuracy (marker placement, lame evenness) is at least equal and in my experience has better QC. Then, the Rolex its virtually twice the price and simply not twice as good. Omega could easily ace it with a re-imagining of the 165024!
Why are their so many channels on RUclips that say Omega is better than Rolex and when they get the call from Rolex they post a video as if it’s their Grail watch. It’s ok Rolex is better but Omega is also great.
Booo! :)
I have the SMP and also happen to like the Sub. Both great watches for sure. The Sub is an icon that even back 60 years can still be recognised from the original - the SMP is somewhat newer and doesn’t have that iconic look (yet).
I am very happy with my Omega, and of the two it’s be the only one that I could walk into a shop, try and buy within minutes…. not months/years (if you have the right ‘relationship’ with an AD!).
Surely accessibility should be a factor ‘can a normal person, with the available credit, buy one?’
Great vid, thanks!
Haha! Thanks Andy, without a doubt, the smp offers amazing value and I would re-buy it without blinking, but this time on the bracelet version :)
The seamaster is a far more compelling offering when wearing it with the bracelet. In my opinion you shouldn't be comparing a sub and an omega one on a bracelet and the other on a rubber strap.
That's why the bracelet topic wasn't on the table.
Right. I like the looks of the rubber but I tried it on both rubber and bracelet and the seamaster 300m bracelets gives it a stunning presence. I makes it look higher up. It would be nice to see the comparison also involving bracelets. I never tried the sub on my wrist.
I prefer this battle with Rubber straps. If it was with the bracelet, the Seamaster would have lost. Oyster is just the most comfortable bracelet ever. Tapering is the key. Seamaster is 21mm all the way.. too clunky…
@@zjhongolez The new Seamaster 300m bracelet can be adjusted so easily it is a breeze to wear. It looks great on that watch. There is a reason the Sub doesn't come in a rubber strap.
Loved this video, the ref 😂 👏
I yhink if the prices and availabilty were comparable then if people were honest they'd all go for the submariner
if prices and availability were the same then Rolex will lose its edge because Omega is obviously the better-engineered watch between the two. The only thing going on for Rolex is hype
The deep black dial and the platinum markers on the Sub is what does it for me.
Sorry but definitely omega all the way i have the Rolex same one and the finish omega all the way
Platinum markers? Don't know who told you that mate they're stainless steel
Stainless steel plated with platinum and white gold on the hands. I like the larger pip on the sub for better legibility when diving.
The Rolex is what other Divers are compared to! But I will go with the (Shaken Not Stirred) watch! ⌚ Thanks for video.
I‘d say this is the most substantial and entertaining comparison around 😂👍🏻
So charming
I have both.... OMEGA because over the last three years they have shown they value customers and don't expect customers to jump through hoops to "get" one of their watches at MSRP..... ROLEX is dead to me
My refusal to play the Rolex game is the reason I bought Omega and even with Omega's elimination of discounts I offered to pay cash, so the jeweler would not incur the dealer's service charge, then when I asked they gave me a 10% discount.
I just wish the Seamasters design was more timeless. Id buy it in a heartbeat
Couldn’t agree more.
The 300SMP has stood the test of time, my 2265.80 is a beast, the wave 🌊 dial is fire 🔥
Great work. More content like this please!
Roger! :)
Nice video, thank you. Think I have Rolex/Tudor fatigue. I'd take the Omega.
Fatigue of Rolex being the standard for sports watches?
Go ahead and get an Omega and see what happens when you try to get rid of it.
@@rafaeloliva6425 Hi Rafael, I guess the obvious answer is if the watch is that good, why would I sell it? This comment is over a year old. The fatigue I guess came from the hype, the alleged AD games, Rolex corporate deciding to drop mom and pop ADs (stores that help build their company). But, putting all that aside, I've come to realize I'm just not a Rolex guy. They are fantastic watches, but they are just not for me. I've had two and sold them both. Im too old to buy a watch I don't care for because it has good resale value. I hope you wear yours in good health.
@scottlalonde2878
Thanks for your kind wishes, I enjoy discussing watches with others aficionados, and you made good valid points.Enjoy your timepieces in good health as well.
@@scottlalonde2878 👍
Totally enjoyed this one! Keep up the good work and release more content!
9.0 score vs 9.1 yet theres a 4,000 price difference. 😂 Rolex is only good as an investment. Other than that, the Omega is higher quality in almost every way.
True, agree :)
The Sub design and Omega tech!
As a content creator you have done well at this video and I will give you full marks for this. I don't agree with your conclusion but that's ok. The world is very interesting because no one thinks the same way so that's a good thing.
For me Seamaster wins because I could buy one. Sub loses because it's realistically unavailable.
Great review/comparison!
The seamaster bezel action is definitely nowhere near as good as Rolex and not as good as Tudor as well.
One thing that I found really surprising is just how plain the caseback of Sub looked at 10:50. Even Tudor Bb58 looks nicer than that, let alone the Seamaster, which is miles ahead!
Seamaster. Sub is for status seekers
Compare the Planet Ocean and Omega wins by far 👌
How come Rolex got higher rating than Omega for use of "precious metals" like white gold? Rhodium is a much more expensive precious metal than white gold.
You can google and check out daily price of Rhodium, Gold, Platinum, etc. Today's price is $4,200 per ounce for Rhodium and $1,835 for gold.
The 2 things I can agree that Rolex is better are the bracelet and bezel clicks. As for the rest, it's hands down to Omega including the movement.
You should be comparing the new 41mm submariner date. That’s more an apple to apple. Seamaster wins case back, less expensive, better anti magnetic. Sub wins bracelet, bezel, nicer case shape. I’ve owned both, I kept the sub.
I wanted to compare it with the newer sub, but that one is long gone. Next time :D
You forgot to mention iconic status, much more versatile everyday and every occasion. If you bought the Omega at retail, I'm pretty sure you loss money, which would not happen with the Sub.
@@rafaeloliva6425 the submariner was an under retail watch before and I think it will be again, with the exception of the green model or other hard to get one
@808Stevie
That the Submariner may someday become an under retail watch might possibly happen. However, even after the used luxury watch market correction, the stainless Submariner market value is still significantly well above retail
But that's conjecture on your part. The fact of the matter is that purchasing a new Omega will lose value the second you walk out your AD'S door. Omega, is not presently and will never be an over retail watch.
Rolexes retain their value and are so much easier to sell if you ever wish to do so. The Submariner is and will remain the gold standard for luxury sports watches. That's a fact and not my opinion or conjecture.
@rafaeloliva6425 Sounds like the words of a true Rolex fanboy. If you like watches resale value shouldn’t matter that much (unless you can’t afford one). You’re buying the Rolex hype and wearing one makes you feel validated, which is ok. You’ve replied to every other comment to tell everyone you have a Sub….the ugliest sub ever manufactured BTW.
Yeah I tried both on and decided on the sub. The sea master is just soooo heavy and gaudy compared to the Rolex’s jewelry / subtle luxury style.
Another great vid ⭐️⭐️⭐️😊⭐️😊
Seamaster for the movement, Sub for the design!
Not really; this SM should be compared to the current gen Sub, just as the last gen Sub smoked the previous gen SM 300. The coaxial is impressive but the current gen Rolex movements are better imo: more accurate, longer PR by far (50 vs 70), longer service intervals (5 - 8 vs 10). And they’re both antimagnetic, though Rolex doesn’t give stats except to say it’s ‘impervious’. And the Sub does it all without sacrificing beat rate like the coaxial does. Both fine movements, but I prefer the Rolex 32XX movements. I own both.
@@gfxdaddy Seamaster has a better movement and is a better watch in every single way
@@gfxdaddy I'll quantify it for you. The accuracy and power reserve are somewhat linked and results often mentioned in comment sections are very elementary. The sub has PR of 70hrs but what is conflated is that the watch maintains accuracy for the full PR. In fact the watch will fall out of accuracy long before expiration of PR. What's the point of 70 hrs PR if you have to pull the crown to adjust the time before it stops Both Sub and SMP run from a single mainspring. As a power source this spring will deliver power with exponentially depleting torque. The majority of the explosive power is stored at the end of the springs compression and is thus the depleted very quickly when the spring unwinds. Making the tail end of the spring irrelevant.
I have spoken with many watch makers asking how much of the PR is relevant in regards to accuracy. The general opinion I received is that most watches should maintain accuracy for 50% of the PR but it depends greatly on each movement beyond that. It is also relevant to consider accuracy in this case would likely be COSC standard not Superlative or METAS.
There are things watch makers can do to extend the accuracy within the PR such as duel barrel PR and mainspring shape. Both Sub and SMP are similar enough here.
If we look at accuracy yes Sub is -2 +2 and Omega is just off the mark at 0 +5. However as mentioned above, for what range of the PR can they maintain it.
Rolex - well their notorious for secrecy, but they have said too much on their website. They advertise the superlative testing is for 24hrs in a device that replicates real life. In other words, the watch is tested in a watch winder by Rolex. Now I do anticpate that the main spring will still experience depletion, but we don't know by how much. I do at this point wish to speculate though.
Replicating a real life day would indicate a period overnight of low movement or static. Let's give benifit of the doubt and go with static. I will speculate the static period is 7 hrs, this is both reasonable and easy mathematically. 7 hrs is 10%. Let's now give more benefit of the doubt and round up to 15% or 10.5hrs. it is highly unlikely the Superlative test subjects the mainspring to anything more than this. So the Sub accuracy is good, but tested over a very narrow PR range. In relation to at what point will it fall out of accuracy, well, I don't know, can it maintain Superlative or COSC beyond 50%. Well again, we don't know as it isn't tested, COSC probably but Superlative, there is a yawn gap to bridge here so I doubt it
Omega- these are tested by METAS who are far more transparent. The accuracy rating is 1 second off Rolex. Metas attend the manufacturer and conduct their own test (Third party varied) they specifically test the watch to 70% main spring depletion. So Omega must maintain METAS accuracy for 70% of PR. 70% of 55 hr PR is 38ish hours. This is vastly longer than the Sub.
This is also where the PR doesn't look as good, the SMP is maintaining accuracy for a huge chunk of the PR, again something the sub isn't tested to.
I will speculate again here that the co axial is the reason for this. The efficiency gains compared to Swiss leaver gives an advantage in torque transfer to the balance wheel allowing greater accuracy throughout the PR. So even though the sub has substantially longer PR. The SMP is still competitive in this argument.
There are a lot of unknowns here I know, but the Omega is clearly heavily underrated.
@@gfxdaddy the "better in every way" "superior watch" "king wears the crown" is what lead me to my own research. So many people claim to have identified the better movement through their own experience/testing/opinion. The problem here is both bias and whether any relevant paramaters are being controlled consistently across the testing. I agree that so many people regugitating unverified opinion as facts. It's not enough for me to accept one is better or more accurate, why, what is it that makes it so, how do I know I can trust that opinion. I personally would love to see an independent laboratory compare many different movements in a consistent manner. I don't believe I know enough to call the winner, But I doubt that would ever happen anyway.
@@gfxdaddy your a Rolex fan and that's fine, have at it, their fantastic. But METAS is the better spec. You can say want you want about 'your experience' but the reality is we all have bias. This was my point. I have seen people claim the same from the Omega perspective. Look at what is tested if the spec matters to you, if it doesn't that's fine also. Regardless what magical results you or any Omega only fan claims they have observed, those comments are irrelevant, sample size is small and bias is likely. Rolex don't test their accuracy over much of their PR, how much, I don't know but my reasons for believing it to be small is justified. METAS test their accuracy over a huge chunk of the their PR. This is why METAS is the better spec and why the accuracy is actually better even though the window is bigger. Omega test for accuracy and precision, Rolex don't. I like Rolex but I am cautious of their marketing, they are the best in the business, I suspect there is a reason why the accuracy is not tested over a larger PR range, I suspect it won't be maintained, and the marketing is more important. The reality is I'll probably never know. if I was Rolex, and the movement from Omega had me worried, I would narrow the PR range and chase a narrower accuracy window as well. Not saying this is what has happened, just being open minded about it.
Love the thumbnail!!
…but what about the new Gen Sub? I’m guessing the new movement and refined design might put it in the 9.4-9.5 area.
I own both these watches - Seamaster in blue and a black Sub Date 126610LN. In all honesty, the Sub gets all the wrist time and I rarely wear the Seamaster anymore. It's just more versatile than the Seamaster which looks more sporty. It's also much more comfortable on the wrist, the Seamaster's bracelet is too sharp and uncomfortable and the watch is too heavy and "bulky" to be a true comfortable daily watch. There is no doubt either that the Sub is more iconic - it's instantly recognisable (which some people hate) and is "the" dive watch that everyone tries to emulate or takes some inspiration from in their designs (even the Seamaster). Technically, I would say they are the same in terms of specs and how "good" the watch is. The Omega wins in some aspecllllnd the Roex in others. In terms of value, again it's debatable. There is no doubt that you get more watch for your money with the Seamaster - it's half the price pretty much, even a third on the secondary market. But then if you are able to buy it at retail price and have the cash to get the Sub at retail, arguably the Rolex is better value, as it retains its value and actually can be sold for more on the secondary market than you bought it for, whereas the Seamaster will lose around 30%-40% of its value...overall, as an owner of both, I'd say if you have the funds for the Submariner then get it. If you don't, or you want bang for your buck, then go with the Seamaster. You can't go wrong either way - both are great!
You're very BRAVE to consider those watches BEATERS.
The strong anti-magnetic properties of the watch are a testament to its quality. I have owned my Omega watch for five years now, and it has been working perfectly.
My man, brave beaters is turning into one of the best channels on watches. Some lose their identity when they get bigger
Keep it up. be safe, but stay brave haha
DSPH200M vs doxa sub 200 would be amazing
WTF? The Rolex Submariner is leagues ahead of the Omega SMP300 I’ve owned 3x new Seamasters both on bracelets and rubber straps and now own the new 41mm Submariner Date. The Seamaster bracelet has sharp edges and no taper with a clasp that digs into your wrist and pushers that failed on me that I couldn’t take the watch off. On another Seamaster the external AR coating got scratched from doing nothing only after a few months. The Submariner is by far more comfortable, wearable, accurate, iconic watch with more brand prestige and value retention.
Amen!
I want the green seamaster
I have both. The Sub is more of a watch. The Omega has a lot of contraditory fonts. The dial doesn't match the bezel and vice-versa. I much prefer the classic dial language of the Sub. The Seamaster is also chunckier on wrist.
I think many people buys the Seamaster because the Sub is hard to get. Other people start rationalizing and go for the Omega, some even develop some hate for Rolex, but deep deep from the bottom they aspire for the Sub.
The Sub is unbeatable.
i own both.. i have to say both are great, but both have been struggling with QC issues with leaving a tiny spec of something under the crystal or on the hands.
Well done - I love this channel
I have the Omega 2265.80 a brilliant watch that takes a beating and looks good doing it. And just acquired a 124060 and it comes out on special occasions. Of yo want a watch, Omega. If you want a statement, Rolex. Both will be well loved. 🥰
I personally purchased a year ago a new Omega SMP 300M black W/steel strap. I wear my Omega daily and I love this watch! I am also on the waiting list a my local Rolex AD for a Rolex submariner date in oyster steel. They told me 3 to 4 years waiting list. I’m still waiting for my call from my Rolex AD.
I own two mid-1960s 5513s - in my beloved "the memories" collection which has powerful emotional value, never for swimming. And four less expensive neovintage sword hand SMPs in my functional "the deep" collection. For swimming. So both categories complete each other. Modern Sub or modern SMP ? Not for me, my "deep" is complete. I also have a 1500 m SuperOcean Abyss on rubber with glidelock and thicker sapphire in the "deep". Other categories in the collection : the "legacy", the "fun" and the "formals".
Not a big Lolex fan. But the Submariner definitely a wins over the Seamaster.
Rolex no only is double in price but also the price go up for reason Omega don’t go up. I believe Omega is more casual and Rolex is more classic. If I could I will pick both. Nice video.
the judge is obviously compromised.. great review, my friend..
I have a Rolex Datejust as a dressy watch and got the SMP300 as daily.
I think the Omega diver is better than the Sub but as a brand, Rolex has more prestige.
Happy to have both brands in my collection
Submariner all the time! Perfect every day timepiece.
I am not a watch expert neither I have Rolex or Omega, but Omega looks amazing! Rolex looks like a piece of crap as compared to Omega.
very nice and fair comparison between the two watches and also very clever metaphor to use toddlers to cheer for the rolex hahahaha
:)
That was funny, nice video. I'll have fun reading the comments now😂
Why did Rolex win?.... If you don't know the answer to that one you shouldn't be watching this vid. Value retention and marketing... Don't get me wrong, the Sub is a great and beautiful watch, However the people who buy into the Rolex game.. just because of the name without any appreciation for the engineering are the problem? Rant over 🤣 Great vid 👍
The SMP bracelet could be better, but it ain't ugly in person or on your wrist compared to the photos.
I showed the mid finger to rolex AD and bought Omega in one of their boutique! Now I own Seamaster Summerblue! Love it! I will never buy rolex anymore! PP, AP, VC - for sure but no rolex!
Both are amazing watches. I love my Seamaster 300m.
I’m relatively new to the watch world and I’ve recently been looking at a speedmaster with the white dial. My friend is big into Rolexes and he’s really trying to push me in that direction. But then he tells me I have to get into good relationship with the dealer and I have to get on the list, etc. I’m not playing these games for a watch that is not even a better product. It reminds me of the Harley Davidson crew. I’ve owned Harleys and I’ve owned other motorcycles and I’ll tell you Harleys are not better than most. It seems that there are Harley Davidson people and motorcycle people same as Watch people and Rolex people.
As long as the Speedmaster outruns the Daytona and the Aqua Terra edges the Datejust, I'm fine with the result of this battle.
Are you seriously comparing a non water resistant manual winding watch to an in house 100m water resistant Daytona?
Erm... the divers' duel just ended, my friend. You seem a little hot, though, so take your chrono-diver for a relaxing swim.
They are the two most iconic chronographs of course. But the comparison stops here. The build quality, finish, reliability is from another world with the Daytona vs the Speedmaster
@@kls1912 NASA did, look how that worked out🤣🤣🤣🤣.
@@kls1912NASA compared them. The Daytona lost. Not hating on the Rolex, I would take a Daytona over a speedmaster any day. It’s a much more attractive watch.
I would also take a yachtmaster over a submariner any day, again, a much more attractive watch.
As for the seamaster vs the submariner I would buy a seamaster before the sub. I think both watches are equal. Even in appearance I do not prefer one over the other. So it comes down to price. I can get a watch that is equal to the submariner for half the price.
Great video - thank you
The seamaster looks stunning
0:39 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good job, great vibe! #seamaster #omega
Really good fun video. Def helps me make a decision.
Great vid!! Prefer not having the helium on the SM. Sub all the way if you can get one at retail where you can get a SM by walking into the store.
Omega seamaster, better design, better attention to detail, more watch for the money.
Agree :)
WTF? The Rolex Submariner is leagues ahead of the Omega SMP300 I’ve owned 3x new Seamasters both on bracelets and rubber straps and now own the new 41mm Submariner Date. The Seamaster bracelet has sharp edges and no taper with a clasp that digs into your wrist and pushers that failed on me that I couldn’t take the watch off. On another Seamaster the external AR coating got scratched from doing nothing only after a few months. The Submariner is by far more comfortable, wearable, accurate, iconic watch with more brand prestige and value retention.
@@MikoTheTomCat while u are paying $13k for a sub, for an omega u r paying $5k, I dig the bracelet it looks good but that's my opinion, the AR coating? I own a planet ocean from 2015 and stills perfect, that is depend on the owner, mines perfect, perfect dial, perfect lume bicolor, perfect display caseback, great movement, great box, great ceramic bezel, and all that just for $5k, u have to almost 3 times for a watch that's no superior to the seamaster. Great 👏🏻.
@@impoautosguatemala9847 fair enough mate. Each to their own. Enjoy and wear it in good health 👍
The Submariner is clearly the better watch. Ive owned 2 Seamasters and sold both. The design is too busy and the watch is too thick for my taste. The Sub oozes class and refinement. Its also a timeless design which you won't get bored off unlike the Seamaster. This is coming from someone who loves both brands
I think that the real competitor of the submariner is the omega seamaster 300 heritage. the last model with dial sandwich is pure class.
Geez, no comparison
Rolex Sub
No diver like A weak wave pattern dial
Skeleton hands
Theres a reason, Rolex Sub most copied watch in the World.
Now, an Omega ploprof wins all day long for toughness!
I am beyond an expert
Fun! Thank you.
I'm usually more torn towards Omega, but I can't stand the design of the SMP300. In this case my winner is clearly the Submariner, especially since it is the no-date variant.
What's wrong with the smp? It's beefy, but nice :p
@@BraveBeaters The bezel has a weird shape with its "dents", the helium escape valve looks unaesthetic to me, the skeletonized hands are illegible, super weird looking steel bracelet that doesn’t taper, etc.
It has an amazing movement, a date at 6 and I really like the materials used, but the design never caught me at all.
@@ToolwatchBoutique If there was a single person capable of contradicting themselves, it’s you. You being by saying how you love the Seamaster before criticising it clearly without any real understanding of the aspects you find negative. The bezel shape is perfectly easy to grip whilst maintaining a design which is clearly different to the Submariner. It’s also in a class of its own whereas the Sub is the most copied watch ever. You’re not very bright are you?
@@IrishScribbler Why so salty?
First of all I’ve never said that I „love the Seamaster…“ where exactly? I said that I am more torn towards the brand Omega. Secondly I don’t care about how gRiPpY the bezel is, it’s still hideous.
Don’t be so triggered because other people dislike your watch choice, that’s rather childish.
Ah, you picked the wrong Seamaster - my Seamaster 300 ( the heritage one) knocks spots off both - more history, more understated, just way more classy & classic.....but I may be a tad biased 😁
Cheers mate 👍👍
hehe, defo biased, being an owner, But I think it is a killer watch! Cheers Steve
Definitely the Seamasterrr 300 m !! Why ? Because I can have this watch anytime everywhere here, in Amsterdam!!
Which is Not possible with the Sub
Great vid, always love your fun videos…but you should compare the current gens of both to be fair. Idea for a follow-up video perhaps? 😉
Based on looks alone, i like the seamaster better. Based on timekeeping accuracy though, the rolex superlative chronometer keeps better time than the omega co axial master chronometer. This is just based on my personal watches of course.
Great video. 😊
I did a bit of research on this and it's not all as it seems. I'm far more impressed with Omega accuracy. The Sub however is still a solid piece
@@ALL-il1sw yes i agree, individual results may vary but for my own sample size of 1 (haha), my sub is running at about 1.5 secs per day while my seamaster is at 4 secs per day-sometimes doesnt even reach 24 hours to gain another 4 secs.
@@ryangochuico I'm not talking individual pieces I'm talking tested accuracy over the tested range of power reserve. Omega is quite impressive of the parameters that are set for their testing
@@ALL-il1sw on paper, yes. But in actual usage i dont see it. Although i cant speak definitively since i am only basing on my 1 experience
@@ryangochuico but by usage your sample size is one. I'll take on paper then
Don’t like newer the wide lugs on the sub
Honestly, I like better the maxi case.
The only reasons why this is not in my collection , is that I have a 2254.50 and 124060. Else the white dial on a rubber or nato is winner for sure.
Brand and history add nothing to the watch, just to the lore. It's fugazi.
Value retention adds nothing to the watch, only when you sell it, and then you don't have the watch anymore so who cares.
Bond appeal adds nothing to the watch. Bond is a fictional character. You might as well call it costume designer appeal or screenwriter appeal. And if you're going to add it, Ian Fleming wrote James Bond wore a Rolex, and the Omega came about from a promotion deal between Omega and the studio, so the Rolex connection is earned and the Omega connection is bought.
So what's left:
Dial: Omega: 9 / Rolex: 10 (matter of taste)
Design: Omega: 10 / Rolex: 9 (matter of taste)
Versatility: Omega 9 / Rolex: 9
Wearability: Omega 8 / Rolex: 10
Movement: Omega: 9 / Rolex: 7 (highly debatable)
Price: Omega: 9 / Rolex: 8 (only applicable to the time of purchase)
Total:
Omega: 54/60
Rolex: 53/60
In the end, buy what you like. If your heart goes towards the Submariner, get the Submariner. if your heart goes towards the Seamaster, get the Seamaster. Don't let anyone tell you you bought the wrong watch. You are the ultimate arbiter of what you like better.
I owned both at 1 time the watch i took around the world was the Seamaster.
If you buy a watch to keep forever, like I do... you don't want value retention... you want heavy discounts to buy it in the first place.