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Sonic Forces has been one of the more divisive games in the Sonic fanbase, but its neither good nor bad.
Spoiler: It's also Not that Bad
Billiam man nice video man this is really good TBH this is the video I really needed to hear man thank you
Thanks for not being an ass!
I wish there was a Sonic game with natural looking level design with just a ton of paths. Say there was some kind of night time Vegas looking city level. You could start off by a bridge where you can either run straight, grind on the rails of the bridge, jump into the water, or boost to run on top of the water. Going into the water would make the lev water and beach themed with some underwater caverns and a lot more rewards, at the cost of taking longer to beat. Whereas taking the bridge would lead you to the city area where you can either grind on power lines, platform across the rooftops, or boost your way through / carefully weave through oncoming traffic, and complete the level in a much faster time. Just huge, fun, constantly replayable levels, even if they are in short numbers (kinda like Mania).
It’s very very average but still why it gotta be average especially for a anniversary game
Billiam Sonic mania is not very good, but its also not that Bad.
Sonic forces is not very good, but its also not that bad.
Mario odyssey is good but its also very good.
Zelda bot is very bad, but its also terrible
Correction: Modern still can't turn a corner
The game does it for you
Pretty much.
no, it doesnt.
it does on avatar tho
SupaFloop of course you have a sonic mania picture and you say that.
SupaFloop So true. It's like the smart steering in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
Camo 720 don't get it twisted, I do like Forces as well. Just not as much
This game's story is like a generic fanfiction. It wants to be this big thing, and tries to pull in as many good pieces as possible, but it has little to no idea how to properly build a good story.
+Neo Machine So god damn true...
Neo Machine It’s because the people who wrote colors and generations, so that kinda explains it.
AwesomeG46 Leave
Neo Machine You could easily say that to the Adventure games. Everyone praises it's darker stories and that's alright. But it's largely regarded as "chessy." And I played Forces, and it felt chessy like how people wanted it to be.
Neo Machine But I do agree that Forces never really built up anything.
im glad that infinite didn't betray eggman....but what the fuck did happen to him after the 3rd fight? he just disappeared only for eggman to come back later having the phantom ruby on his final boss machine?..
bocodamondo I assume the phantom Ruby called him back and he was turned into a part of the army of illusions.
That's what I'm saying Infinite had so much potential but it was thrown out
bocodamondo When I finished the game and it said Eggman's forces were at 0.001% so I don't really know.
bocodamondo Sorry about that virus you got. Love your work
Mars Blast Your on a video talking about Sonic Forces then complain about spoilers in the comments :/
I wish they went a bit darker with the Sonic situation.
*Spoiler*
for 6 months of torture Sonic was looking pretty well-fed.
Yeah i wish they gave him a beard
and scars
(Uncharted 5: Sonic's Story)
He also looks jolly too
Kwij Gaming They've been feeding him, just no chillidogs, that was the torture
That wasn’t in the original Japanese version. The English on just added that in
*Sonic Mania* - Head Cannon: Let's make the fans happy.
*Sonic Forces* - Sonic Team: Let's make money off of the fans.
Amethyst Maelstorm
Finally, someone addresses greed instead of the gameplay.
Woah now, a company trying to make money off their consumers? Imagine that kind of world
Yeah. I feel like origins is a cash grab and I don’t know about frontiers
Sonic, Shadow, and Silver should have been the main playable characters, Sonic 06 done the correct way
Huh? Why? You say that!
I somewhat agree with this actually....
honestly rework sonic 06. fix the bugs, clean up the story a tiny bit, get the sonic boom CARTOON team to work on dialog, and i think we'd have something great on our hands.
sonic 06 was a goldmine of great ideas. But short delays and rushed development ruined it. You can still see a lot of these good ideas in-game, but they're generally just a shadow of what they could've been
Maybe even have a sonic heroes thing because of a thing called THE RESISTANCE
"A dark Sonic story with the Sonic Boom writers"
Isn't that contradictory?
AI Colonel That’s kind of the point? I mean look at something like Thor Ragnarock- darkest story in the whole trilogy, but the most fun and comedic too
Oh ok,fair. Altrough I don't find the type of comedy from Boom suiting a more serious story. But it could work.
AI Colonel If it was the TV show writers, that would be pretty nice. If it's the game writers, heck to the no.
actually it does, many of the boom comedy is selfaware so, it actually suits it best
I dont think fourth wall breaking jokes and self-aware humor really fits a more darker story. But since Boom sucks in my opinion,maybe this is my bias.
I kinda feel like having Classic sonic being in this game was kind of a Cash grab for the people who can't let go to the past of sonic.
Carlos Huerta why does everyone hate on classic fans? There is a reason they "can't let go of the past" and that reason is saga changing a formula that wasn't broken. If sage kept classic and built the adventure gameplay around him, and kept improving on it modern fans wouldn't exist and the fan base wouldn't be divided.
It was actually confirmed classic was only in the game to boost up sales
ishbot I didn't say he wasn't...
I like Classic Sonic. That being said, he shouldn’t have been in a Modern Sonic game. Oh well.
MCFLY again, I never said he should in the same game as modern sonic. my point is that saying that he was in here to appeal to classic fans therfore blaming them makes no sense since mania exists.
The game is 3 hours long, that is fucking ridiculous.
King Arthur generations and colors are also short
NickTrix colors is twice as long as forces and generations is about 2 and a half times longer than forces on average. Levels are too short in forces, and cutscenes make up a third of the game, which wouldn't be a problem, if the game wasn't 3 and a half hours long.
King Arthur lol and they said this game would be longer than Generations...
NickTrix and lost world
King Arthur there is more content in the cutscenes of kingdom hearts 1 than the entire game lmao
Can we please stop integrating classic sonic into the modern games, please and thank you.
I kinda feel like Sonic Team made this game as an experiment to see what people really wanted from a 3D Sonic game. Maybe they did this game for feedback so they can improve on the good aspects for the next installment. After all, they do have a survey.
Yoshistar 456 it’s true
Ok. But did they had to do that with an anniversary title of all things, in a time where better received platformers were releasing just last month?
Yeah the thing about this argument is you hear it almost everytime they release a new 3D Sonic. And i can't belive it anymore.
I really hope they don't do classic sonic or the avatar ever again.
what people really wanted? sorry to dissapoint you but no, this can't be an experiment, granted the only experimentation would be in the OC, but this gameplay has been around for a decade, this shouldn't be in experiment mode anymore, in any case sonic unleashed or colors would be experiments, this should have already a very well setteled formula with the gameplay refined, what else can they be experimenting now? modern sonic was at a great position in generations, and here, they went backwards, they got rid of the drifting, the level design is nothing but straight corridors. this one is just boost till the next 2d section, and the 2d sections while ok, they are really nothing interesting
and classic sonic is shit in this game, how can you gor from having such a smooth movement and control in mania to this sonic 4 horshit in forces
The game for me looks okay to a bit good in my opinion. I would give it a 7/10. It's short but sweet at times. For me it's like a boost heroes gameplay.
finally someone who knows their shit
I feel disappointed
TapOutTheSonicFan78 if its ok you should give it a 6.5. Thats what i would give it can be fun at times but lost its focus and felt like an experiment
you say its ok then you give it a 7 (Really Good)? You mean 5 right?
@@alfa01spotivo No, where I live 7 is passable but almost terrible.
The schools are:
1 - Terrible
2 - Not so terrible
3 - Really really bad
4 - Really bad
5 - Bad
6 - Almost decent
7 - Decent (You got to the ok grade, you don't repeat now)
8 - OK
9 - Good
10 - The best.
In my opinion, the story feels like it was treated like a movie adaptation of an anime; they got the main points and rushed through it leaving no time for development. This is especially true when it comes to Tails and C. Sonic, where Tails suddenly has this strong attachment to the other Sonic that just kinda seems to happen and we get clued in via radio chatter.
I feel like if they treated it more like a TV series (which is why I find curious and agree with the idea of the Boom team fleshing things out, cause the HTF team doesn't seem to be quite there IMO), Forces could have had a much more developed story. And to anyone who says that the story is/will be fleshed out in the comics, keep in mind but everyone has the time and money to invest in that. A standalone story presented in any medium should be able to tie things together without the need of another medium. Prequels and sequels maybe can work this way, but not the core story.
I see tails getting attached to classic sonic as sort of him reliving the glory days of when it was just him, sonic and knuckles and how he's savouring every moment because that was when he was relavent.
marjosonic sonic is japanese franchise so that normal
Hit the nail on the head for me.
I was shocked when they make the claim that Sonic is "gone", only for a second later to be "lol jk he's in a cell and being tortured but not really he's just sitting there waiting for you". There wasn't any time for the characters to actually mourn Sonic's loss or make youfeel like saving him was super important. It just felt more like I was doing some errands in this game.
Yeah. I think Sonic Team was afraid to leave Sonic out of the loop for too long out of fear the fanbase would get upset over a situation like Unleashed where the Boost gameplay was overshadowed by another gameplay and just rushed quickly to give Sonic back to the player. If they had at least 3 levels of just the Avatar at the beginning before the Death Egg jailbreak, that might have helped a bit. Plus maybe drop the torture bit with just the mention of capture. I get wanting to make it sound more dire, but my guess is that they couldn't actually show any signs of torture without 'edging' the game rating to 13+/T. No point in saying things and then backpedaling; we got enough censorship with the 4Kids era. XD
Please, no more "self-aware humor." This whole "irony" trend in stories needs to go away.
I'm honestly just sick of 2D. Full stop. I'm fine with Classic Sonic stages being in 2d, but did over half of Modern Sonic and the Custom character's stages need to be 2d as well?
I like the game but its really its up to the player if they like it or not
King Daniel The Dandy I like the game to be honest.
I think the games pretty alright. I also feel like there are a lot of people who are irrationally hating this game as well.
King Daniel The Dandy I like sonic games, but I wouldn't pay 40 dollars for it at it's current state
Has the standards for Sonic games sunk this low, that such a short shallow boring easy and basic platformer considered good? Even Colors had more things in it than this game.
Forces took my favorite idea for any long running series. Pitting heros vs villians to prevent the main villian and thier army from keeping thier control over the world. Since all heros and villians were setup in previous entries characters don't have to introduce thier character's and relations
1.they said that there would be some character development but there was none 2. They said it would be long
JustJaeden They made a big deal out of their new engine, Hedgehog Engine 2, yet this game looks a lot worse than Unleashed. And Unleashed ran on Hedgehog Engine 1...
iBerserkTV they were developing the engine along side the game
its alright, it's not a terrible game but it doesnt have replay value like sonic adventures series, heroes, unleashed, and the genesis classic
Can someone explain to me why a sudden friendship with a crappy OC is more powerfull than the 7 chaos emeralds combined, i mean it seems like tails and nuckles are not so good friends, if a guy you meet 5 minutes ago makes you so powerful, they should have just ran through sonic heroes destroying everything, its 4 am over here, can sleep coz sonic forces haunts me, Why the FUCK friendship would get you out null space, why you do this to me sega, i dont need a masterpiece, i will settle for unleashed 2, i consider myself a sonic fan, but this damn kids with their OCs are killing me, Sonic is a company product!!! It was made cool to sell, fucking kids be more original, you'r just repainting sonic, i don't usually comment but THIS HAS TO STOP as Sir Francis of the Filth said...
the music is lit tbh
cyber burner there's like 2 good songs, the infinite theme and Fist bump. The Ost can't even save this game.
Really? What about Aqua Road? Capital City? Imperial Tower? Mortar Canyon? Network Terminal [Inside]? The whole of Episode Shadow? There are plenty of good tunes. Imo the OST is one of Forces' strengths. Maybe you just don't like Synth/EDM/Electronica?
The Classic Sonic music kinda sucks in comparison though. But then, everything about Classic Sonic sucks in this game.
The music is a bit of a hit of miss, some good (Fist Bump, Light Of Hope, Infinite’s theme, Egg Gate) or some either forgettable or just awful (the rest of the Modern Sonic music, and Classic Sonic music).
It's decent, which the series didn't need, we needed great, I still thought the game was fun.
Null Space is actually a fun af level which I keep replaying.
Wiillkill The Death Egg zones are my favorite. But I also like Null Space too.
Sonikku Sama same
You know what I just realized? They could have replaced the Avatar or Classic with Tails and the story would have been more interesting.
*Review by: Darkky*
*Pasted for the first time.*
this game was mediocre. Honest. I know that’s what everyone is saying, but it’s true! For around two years we’ve awaited this game and it’s been in development for like, what? Four years? That’s crazy. The advertisement I can say is really bad. Hooters? Come on, Sega.
I haven’t explained why it’s mediocre yet, so let’s go!
_The Plot_
We all thought this would be the darkest tone in a Sonic game yet, maybe rivaling Shadow the Hedgehog? I don’t know. I guess that’s “opinionated”. Besides the point, I had high hopes for the plot; extremely excited.
You had recurring villains from the past games: Shadow, Metal Sonic, Zavok, and Chaos. I swear to god, I almost cried with joy, why? I won’t explain it… but I love Zavok by the way -that’s a first-.
Apparently Eggman has taken over the world due to the power of the Phantom Ruby, of which, is in Infinite’s chest. Infinite defeated Sonic and our lovable blur was sent to prison aboard the Death Egg, where he was tortured for six months.
He comes back, and he acts as if everything was normal. Cracking jokes and puns, but I will say one thing: what were the developers thinking? Sonic is my favorite character, but god, the way he acted in this ominous plot ruined it for me. I disliked Sonic’s character to a degree in this. Silver or Rouge was preferable.
Classic Sonic comes back, he kicks Eggman’s ass, he leaves. Still no reason why he should be here. -Muaw~ Nostalgia.-
You also have your own Custom Hero you can make and edit. My personal opinion? I don’t like it. I know others love it, but it isn’t the thing for me. I want to play as Sonic and go on his adventures, not some lifeless avatar that only grunts and whimpers from time to time. Not to mention the bond with Sonic… I do like the outfits though, I’ll give it that.
Sonic and the Custom Hero defeat Infinite for the third and final time, but he just… vanishes like that. Did they kill him? Or are we going to see more of him in the future?
Oh, did I mention that the villains were a fake? Just illusions. They were never there except for the real Shadow. The fact that Chaos served no purpose but to get one-shotted by the Classic Sonic that really served no purpose.
I feel as if there were many things left out. The story? Hey, I guess it’s an A for Effort.
_The Gameplay and Visuals_
Hooo, boy…
Sonic games have a history for terrible gameplay. Is this better, you say? Yeah. I guess it’s alright.
But then you have levels that really serve the meaning of Boost to Win and last only a minute or two. This is lacking quality over quantity. There are thirty stages in the game where Sonic, Classic Sonic, and the Custom Hero traverse throughout.
The visuals are stunning, but on the Nintendo Switch, some would have to disagree. When on the Handheld mode, it runs on 30fps. Doesn’t matter though, as when hooked up to a TV, it’ll run at 720p. For Xbox One and PlayStation 4, it runs at 1080p.
Boss Battles? Eh. Unsatisfying. You don’t fight Chaos or even the fake Shadow. Just Zavok, Eggman, Metal Sonic, and Infinite. There’s only eight bosses in the game, and you fight Infinite three times. They were okay to be honest with you. The final boss was another rehash of Colors and Lost World. Great thinking, Sonic Team.
_The Music_
Like any other Sonic game, you can expect legendary music. This was one of those games. Although some tracks like Casino Forest are bland, it’s totally opinionated. Not much to say about this part, but the standouts for me is definitely Sunset Heights and Light of Hope. But they did overuse the synths in this game.
_Conclusion_
Sonic Forces was a game I had waited a long time for, and in the end, I feel like the wait wasn’t worth it. I don’t dislike Forces, but I don’t love it. It’s just… bland. In my way, it’s unfinished. Sonic doesn’t have an idle animation, Eggman has no lines during the final boss, Infinite… I feel like he was just there. In Episode Shadow, he seems to go berserk after Shadow calls him weak, and guess what happens?
Sonic Forces happens. The whole reason Infinite is Infinite is because of that encounter with Shadow. I don’t know why, but it doesn’t feel satisfying. There’s also many questions to be answered like:
Why is part of Green Hill a desert? How is Knuckles the leader? -Don’t mention the prequel comics; I’ve read them.- Why was Infinite in a test tube in the opening when in Episode Shadow it shows him taking the Phantom Ruby and inserting it in himself. And, my god, where is my dose of SonAmy?!
*_6/10_*
Darkky wait a minute, don’t you was one of those sonic fans, who were happy during leaks, that has been spreading through internet? Like seriously, I have seen you under every Forces leak, and you was pretty happy about final product, and after official release, you saying that this game is mediocre, WTF?
Darkky Boost to win. Assuming you mean you just need to hold X to get through the level. You couldn't be further from the truth..
some of your questions are just you. they wouldn't affect the game but i do agree its medicore most people give it a 7/10
Евгений Жамков There is nothing wrong with that I was one of those people too. We were hyped for something this product was not in reality. There is nothing wrong with us not liking this game the same way you (I assume) like it so stop being a crybaby.
Here's my opinion: Forces is good.
If you like Colors, you'll like Forces.
If you don't like Colors, you'll dislike Forces.
"www.gamecrate.com/interview-takashi-iizuka-and-shun-nakamura-state-sonic-2017/16493
"I was a little bit surprised, and a little bit nervous, with Sonic Mania. Because we were going back to this really classic, nostalgic feel, but I was a little bit worried as we were going to announce it. How are fans going to react to this? Are they going to say, "Seriously, Sega? You're releasing a pixel game in 2017? What world am I living in? Are you sure this is what you want to do?"
But I was really pleased that we got such a positive reaction from the fanbase, and even from non-fans who saw it and realized, oh wow, this looks really authentic. It was really good to know that we weren't thought of as crazy and going off the deep end. -Takashi Iizuka
Really think about that...
Also:
"I wasn't that surprised - I know the 2D games are easy to understand, easy to access as a game for a lot of people. And we've got a huge classic Sonic fanbase, that's always craving for that kind of content. Because it's an easy game to sit down and play, when you release it a lot of people are going to get excited about it, especially if it's going to be a Sega title with Sonic the Hedgehog coming back into this very familiar 2D action game. There are a lot of 2D titles out there - maybe because it was Sonic coming back into this classic world, that's what pushed its popularity."
": It was very interesting for me to see Sonic Mania come out, get very high scores and have people praise the game. From the team's perspective, we're still going to be making 3D games for the audience that likes that style of Sonic - when we see the reactions that Mania got, the entire team sat down and thought it was really interesting, and we should break down what people liked about Mania, and in the future - when we build our 3D games - see what essence we can take from Sonic Mania and put into a 3D world, to give people what they're looking for and that they've found in Sonic Mania."
-Shun Nakamura
www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-10-23-sonic-mania-and-its-impact-on-the-future-of-the-sonic-series
The Mania team should've done the Classic Sonic gameplay...
I thought Sonic controlled bad in this game. Him and avatar accelerate so weirdly. And whenever Modern Sonic would land off a jump he would lose all momentum.Other boost games did it better. This game was just a huge step back in every direction.
Why is EVERY RUclipsr getting comfortable with facial hair???
Because they are men!
Billiam, PK, The Completionist, freaking Pewdiepie! And way more I can’t list!
Josiah The GamerArtist I'm guessing you're a child huh?
Josiah The GamerArtist haha, when you can grow facial hair, you'll understand. Besides, most of them have really good beards.
Apparently Sonic Mania's a prequel, cuz the true ending has him running into another dimension... into Sonic Forces out of nowhere. You could replace him with Silver or simply Shadow and the result would've been the same. Classic Sonic wasn't needed. You already have one character that doesn't speak, two is pushing it lol
It's not good... it's B L O N I C
How they did unleashed’s story I feel like was the best. I’d be very happy with more stories like that.
Sees video title
Gets really triggered
Most of the Sonic Fanbase in a nutshell
yeah
Not me 👍
FullmetalSonic260
Well good for you
you want a fucking cookie?
+The Nerdy Alien Immaturity at its finest.
It seems everyone gets triggered by anything :P We now have trigger reactors to trigger reactors. Disagree civilly, is all we gotta do.
This was a great review, but for my personal taste, I feel like they butchered how Sonic plays. Drifting was one of the most satisfying things to do in Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations, and I don't like its removal. The only reason why Sonic can "actually turn" in this title is because the game does it for you. They didn't improve your ability to control Sonic - they just stripped away your options.
Saw this comin
Also tied for first (somehow)
Saw something else "coming''
+Random Cauliflower Clips yeah...hate to give in to the cliche
The only sonic game I remember really liking, is Shadow The Hedgehog. I know that some will think I'm joking, but that game was probably my first introduction to a protagonist that wasn't purely good and a fictional world that wasn't didn't always have happy endings. Frankly, I think it radically changed my views on protagonists. Was it a good game? I don't know; can't really remember. I enjoyed it though, and that's good enough.
Shadow lost his memories so he wasn't evil or good, he just saw himself as a different person until the Emeralds started giving him flashbacks to his past.
Idk I thought it was pretty fun, can totally see why people don’t like it tho.
I thought it was garbage, easy short over in two hours fuck this game waste of money and time.
It is always good to acknowledge a games flaws but not to accentuate them
To put it shortly; Pick up Super Mario Odyssey instead.
Forrest I got both :)
Super Mario Odyssey > Sonic Forces
Yeah that's obvious but why you gotta mention that
Anyway, 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿 because somebodys gonna come in really triggered and reply
I've been a Sonic Fan for ages, and this is probably my favorite Sonic game made in the last decade (other than Mania), but you're probably right. (I'd like to say "definitely", but I haven't actually played Odyssey yet, but I'd love to, because I like Mario games, and I've been waiting YEARS to see an open-world platformer!)
I don't think there's anyone who would think otherwise.
No shit
グレースニコ don’t say sonic forces is shit
Chaos being defeated in a cutscene actually pisses me off and I don't even play sonic games
Levels were too quick. They all just ended very awkwardly like Sonic would stop dead on his tracks and just look at the sky. This game just lacks polish, everything was rubbish. Animations were bad and weird, graphics worse than Unleashed...
iBerserkTV The graphics were better than the other boost games.
Tiger Festivals You're wrong. Do the comparison. Compare this games graphics and lighting to Sonic Unleashed on the PS3/Xbox 360. I dare you.
Unleashed had great graphics
What?! No review of Sonic 3D Blast?!?!
So, just to be clear about something, Sonic Generations got a lot of critical praise, with people loving every aspect about it.
Sonic Forces has the same exact gameplay, some dimensional hopping similar to Generations's time warping, and is virtually the same aside from small additions, and suddenly it's bad.
Not talking about you, Billiam. I'm just referring to some of the people that apparently really are nostalgia blowhards. However, not saying that classic 2D Sonic sucks, either. Just pointing out some hypocrisy I'm seeing, from my POV.
CrazySeanDX It seems the only issue is length in the stage design, so very close to Generations. Still worth getting? :)
The gameplay is NOT the "same thing from generations", compare any of the boost corridor levels of Forces to levels like Seaside Hill and Sky Sanctuary from Generations.
There's also the problem with Classic Sonic's physics, they are even worse here.
@Mah Boy Yeah, the comment was before I watched the video in full, but I still feel the same and want to get this game, regardless.
Although, how they apparently managed to screw up Classic Sonic, I'll never figure out. Sounds like a similar situation where the wave racer in Crash 3 in N. Sane Trilogy is actually fucking awful compared to Warped's original control scheme for it.
CrazySeanDX it's not bad, just not as good, the length of the levels isn't so much the issue its the fact that many Levels just aren't and dont feel very big most of the time, the Level design isn't as good overall some sections of levels are too narrow, they're not literally straight lines like some would exaggerate, they're just lesser in comparison to generations and unleashed as well
After waiting a year for this game and I was pumped. I was so so disappointed at the length and classic sonic gameplay.
Sonic Adventure 2, Is ARGUABLY, the best 3D Sonic game released to date.
Denham Varas-Curl hell no! Sonic 3d blast all dayyyyyyyyyy
Lel
If you think that's true you clearly haven't played Sonic Labyrinth
Denham Varas-Curl I won't argue but I still like adventure 1 better
Aaron Baucham Labyrinth is one of those games you eitger love or hate, mist people hate it . It is also more of a puzzle game.
I can honestly say that I enjoy playing Sonic 06 more than this. Now that I've said that, I think I need to go lay down.
It's really bad, the story is a rushed mess, the gameplay stinks, and the game feels like a rushed mess.
aSeriously, classic sonic did not need to be in this game. At this point Sega is just banking off the nostalgia of classic sonic.
Here's something to consider:
This game was advertised as Sonic's biggest and best game yet. Sega was giving out hints on social media. The thing was called "Project 2017" for crying out loud! The fact that it's so mediocre, ESPECIALLY after Mania, makes me go from thinking that the game is mediocre to bad.
I was hoping this would be the big hurrah for the boost formula when it was first announced.
Then I forgot about it for a year. Then it came out. Then I saw the level design.
Not sure if this was mentioned already, but there was a 4 part comic prologue explaining what happened: Major key points, for me, was how Eggman discovered the Phantom Ruby, who Infinite was before and Shadow's first fight with the one who would later become Infinite.
The current Sonic comics series, published by IDW, actually take place after the events of Forces.
I really liked Sonic Forces, I thought it was fun. I got the platinum trophy for it, it’s my first platinum
o7 it can be fun but you barly have to move left or right
Doesn't look fun, 06 is more fun.
Chaos is defeated in a cutscene??????
Thats it: 0/10
Unpopular opinion-I actually LIKE Sonic stories that go in depth and are story driven. That's why the Dreamcast-06 era is my favorite (yes I do like 06 even though it had a shitton of problems-its story was not one of them imo).
The issue for me is, if they try to give me an in-depth story, I look at it in-depth, and that usually leads to it falling apart.
Sonic's Story is just the weakest in 06, that's all.
the fact that they faced their past selves in sonic generations changed the future and in the same time creat another time line. One timeline with modern sonic and one timeline with classic sonic... in other words to separate dimensions
Personally I like to go throuh the modern sonic stages without boosting
Remember when there wasn't this classic Sonic OC junk? You played as the Sonic characters presented to us. I miss those days. I mean we get to play as Shadow, but I miss playable Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Cream, Espio, Rouge, Blaze, Vector, Omega, hell even Silver. It's probably just me, but, I want to have a game where I can play as Sonic, and a few other Sonic characters.
I actually loved it, but yeah, it could be so much more
I found this idea for Sonic's torture, so this doesn't belong to me.
One way to convey the torture of Sonic is for Eggman to use the Ruby to make a machine that can permanently stimulate Sonic's pain receptors. With the Ruby as a power source, it'll torture him for 6 months.
2 people designed the levels and 1 for the story
I'm still upset that Metal Sonic and Chaos weren't actually in the game and how Shadow wasn't a boss either.
this game is more anti climactic than fun
You wanna know why wisps replenish the boost & rings don't? Because the levels are so short, that if rings replenished the boost, Modern Sonic's levels would be completed in like half the time they actually do take to complete.
Just when you got into a Level...it ends. The last sonic level was very good though and i love the music of Null Space!
The story was like a bad fanfiction.
I hope Sega knows how to do it next time.
For me that would be a cool concept:
Sonic Boost Levels
Shadow Adventure Styled Levels
and a third gameplaystyle where there can try whatever they want :D
Again good video! :)
Kiralte Why not just one style of levels?
Jin kisaragi because its always good to have variety :)
and also these gameplay styles are which most people like
Variety is one of the things that killed 06 and is the main reason people see Unleashed in a bad light. They had it right at Colors and nailed it with Generations. You'd think they would've noticed why those two are loved.
I feel like the story has good ideas, but it doesn't execute them well enough, tbh.
That settles it. Should probably save my money and get something better like the Hack G.U. Last Recode collection. Sonic Mania is excellent, though. :)
Thataaronmurphydude I was thinking about getting .hack and sonic forces but by seeing this, I think I’ll actually get .hack and Friday the 13th
Thataaronmurphydude yeah, the maybe 5 hours of somewhat good gameplay isn't worth it
I'm just glad I got COD WWII instead of Forces. I still need a switch for Mario and Splatoon 2.
Can Sega just hire professional level designers? Like the Mania team (assuming they know how to work with boost / a 3D space)?
Uh oh Billiam's clickbaiting again
Three years late but how? He gave his opinion and it wasn’t even an outlier opinion
@@ericholysword8306 idk I was VERY protective of sonic back then. I realize now that the game isnt that great and I need to look at stuff more critically.
@@raidenmei9064 that’s fair, that’s good growth though. I used to be very protective of the franchise too, although I still like the games
Why is eggman not threatening in this game, he took over the world and somehow a random children’s book villain felt more threatening in a review of the children’s book.
I swear your beard gets longer with every video...
I have absolutely no idea how you've come to the conclusion that Sonic controls _better_ in this game. For me, this is the worst Sonic has controlled in a boost game.
Wow you look so derpy at the end of the video.
It's like sonic colors. Unique, perfect balance of 3d/2d and gimmicks. People will hate it when it first came out like colors, then a year later people will love it. That's the sonic cycle.
What are you saying? This one doesn't even come close to Colors. And nobody hated Colors when it came out, some people hate it nowadays because it's the cool and edgy thing to do.
jjnnerazor I remember the wagon of hate when it first came out.
Sonic Forces isn't good. It's *MEDIOCRE*
yeah in your opinion
Yep, which many people seem to agree with.
It's good, but not amazing imo.
Sonic_171 000x "Many people" You never checked the user reviews at Metacritic or IGN.
FullmetalSonic260 you realize everybody can use metacritic? Thats the reason i gave bubsy a 10/10
3:51 "He's a good boy." And with that, you gained a subscriber.
Didn't play Forces but it looks like a Sonic OC fanfic made official. Doubt I'm the first to say that but it's the impression I got.
"Remember when people used to say "boost to win" this game is actually like that
This game is just mediocre
FroakieTrainer54 and everyone expected it.
Jin kisaragi pretty much, why can't sonic just stick to a formula and flesh it out throughout the game like Mario does
I feel like all of sonic forces was building up to its sequel. I think the perfect way to continue the series would to have infinite want revenge on eggman and sonic for making him lose. Hes mad at sonic for defeating him and hes mad at eggman for holding him back. And if you look close at Infinites death scene in the game he has the aura that the other phantom ruby clones had, so my theory is the infinite sonic defeated was a phantom ruby clone. If sonic forces 2 follows infinite as a main villain and it can keep a dark tone, and sonic is trying to deal with stopping infinite while also dealing with eggman who pops in from time to time to fight sonic, would work for an amazing sequel, and maybe at the end they can have a boss fight with infinite where he totally annihilates you and its programmed for you to lose, then it seems like all hope is lost until sonics friends along with eggman (because sonic and eggman can build a relationship throughout the game for some character development) bring him the chaos emeralds and the final boss could be a boss rush of sorts where infinite throws bosses at you one by one like chaos and zack and shadow and metal sonic, and you can beat them all as super sonic. Then infinite will show up and you can actually fight him as super sonic. I know sonic team wouldnt do that because they're not the biggest fans of not having eggman be the final boss but it would be a really cool concept
Ok, Sonic Forces isn't going to be a great game, I don't expect that. However, I think that is EXACTLY what will make it a GREAT SUCCESS. The OC, the Free press of fans and hater alike, and all the sales from RUclipsrs alone will make Sega a TON OF CASH. I personally am buying the game knowing exactly what I'm going to get: a decently designed platformer with a few small glitches, a simple story, and several hilarious antics. To me, that's worth buying. If that's not what you're looking for, you might just want to wait for Mania 2.
JARMC I come from the future, this game sold pretty well.
Well I mean, Sonic games usually do financially well despite their own qualities. It's metacritic scores that Sega's paranoid about.
Over 2 and a half years later and we don't have to be apologetic anymore... Man was this game just horrible.
lol every single review I see says sonic forces could've been more. Just wait for updates and dlc but wait you won't even like that because this fan base is fucked.
Golden Smash bro literally said I wanted DLC
He's not wrong though on that fanbase part. Hard to trust opinions on any Sonic games because of the toxicity found in this fanbase.
Billiam yeah but that's not my point. Its just that the fanbase is so picky that they attack any sonic game as soon as it's released because it's not the game they want. You'll never have this problem with Mario fans
To be fair, if you need Dlc to make the game good then something is wrong. Also Mario fans can be very picky aswell many fans disliked the New super mario games .
Jin kisaragi I said dlc and updates. Dlc is supposed to make a game more interesting. And the updates can add new features and fix bugs. I tried developing a game before and it's harder than you think
This is one of the best reviews I’ve seen for this game, you’re fair and don’t just bash it for no reason but you’re not afraid to point out what it did wrong
Wouldn’t the title of the video be sonic forces review
You know, the whole goal of this game should be looking all over to gather the Chaos Emeralds so Sonic could actually stand a chance against this "unstoppable" Infinite villain. Having the Chaos Emeralds heavily guarded in different locations, leading up to the inevitable decisive battle that is Super Sonic vs Infinite. That'll show how much stronger and a threat Infinite was supposed to be.
"There hasn't been a truly bad core sonic game in years". Hello? What about that shitshow Lost World?
PattyG world 1 and 2 where fun at least
PattyG The 3ds game was good, can't say Anything about Wii U tho
Lucky except the casino zone that was complete shit
Sonic lost world is not bad its good idiot
Wasn't bad at all. Mediocre at worst.
Okay here's what we need for Sonic adventure 3. The story layout the same as adventure 1 with 6 or so characters with individual interconnected plots. Sonic knux tails shadow silver Amy maybe a few more. ALSO super important, all Canon characters need to be represented (Sally, bunnie rabbot, Antoine, rotor maybe Rob o the hedge) even if they aren't playable. The speed and control of unleashed and a couple optional werehog bonus stages. Chaos, eggman, and metal Sonic need to be the villans. The overworld of unleashed as well as far as small easily navigable. They need to finally explain the Mobius lore of how humans and mobians live together. And the final boss must be the xorda. They need to basically adapt the comics to make adventure 1 2 and 3 have a nice little book end and come full circle. They need to have the heroes archetypal gameplay where speed is Sonic shadow maybe intelligence for tails and silver with psychic powers and tails get a machine that gives him psychic powers, then power for knux and Amy with her hammer. All of the 3d Sonic games have had one or two great aspects mired in trash. They need to take all the good, and put it together into one game and use the actual Canon story from the comics. And don't forget an updated Chao garden with actual plot relevance.
Sonic Forces is a below average dumpster fire.
Monkey D. "Straw Hat" Luffy Agreed. I could understand your point. I feel like there is potential for 3d sonic when I saw that one stage that looked visually beautiful and a bit opened from modern sonic. It's just so inconsistent. I feel like Sonic Team should take a long break and take notes on how to figure a way out for 3d sonic.
TapOutTheSonicFan78
Indeed.
TapOutTheSonicFan78 I hope they learn, game feels rushed tbh
Monkey D. "Straw Hat" Luffy I actually like this game believe it or not XD cause it reminds me a lot of Sonic Heroes. I loved Sonic Heroes even though it had mixed reception. I feel like this is a lot like heroes because critics had mixed thoughts onto that game. I feel like this is the same for this game. But I do agree your point.
Monkey D. "Straw Hat" Luffy Could have been much better, but there's plenty of enjoyment in the game for me tho.
To me I'm just glad Sonic Team decided to make OCs a thing in this game. I hope for future Sonic games the OCs come back and end up with much more customization options and treated better overall.
That's one thing I feel is important for SEGA and Sonic Team to know. I'd hate it if they decided to ditch the OCs thinking it had something to do with Sonic Forces' semi-flop.
Yeah I really don't think ocs are going to return.
Luckily for us that it's not up to one person's thoughts about how this will go. If the surveys help in any fashion, then I'd like to think OCs will return given the love I've seen for them on social media. Regardless I'll still hope for the best just in case.
just wait and see my friend.im telling you ocs are not going to make a return. but your survey idea makes much sense if they actually consider it well who knows.
TheShadowHatter gay
Mario is better
Officer Chris P. Bacon *BAIT*
Mario iz beder
I'd disagree with you from like SA1-SU but now I gotta agree the two newest entries are not good and it's only downhill from there I hope they fix their shit and give us a truly good Sonic game again like Unleashed but it'll never happen cause Sega loves listening to the fans which in some cases ruins certain things.
I thought it would be inspired by SonicSatAM. I was so disappointed.
Stupid story. I like the 3D Sonics like Adventure or 06 more
It sucks that we never really got that definitive 3d sonic game. The adventure games are good but some levels in my opinion are frustrating, I just hope we can get a 3d sonic game in the style of the adventure series, and try to forget the crazy gravity segments.
They should let another group of Sonic fans make a 3D platform game.
I like to think this game was made simply for the KIDS. Not necessarily the critics, or even that much for the fans, but for the KIDS. If such is the case, then this game works. My little brother and sister loved it, literally giving it a “9.4 out of 10.”
Great video and did you fill out the survey on PS4 or Xbox ?
So, Billiam. About 3 years later, what do you think about this game? Even looking back?
It’s boring. It’s cheaply made. It’s less fun now.
@@billiam yeah it has not aged gracefully to say the least
Based on my small glances on other people's gameplay (including Episode Shadow), I've been thinking the same thing as you stated about the story while watching the whole text and cutscenes unfold
sonic forces is like life: short, dissapointing and filled with memes
The reason the retcon occurred for Classic Sonic is because that after Generations, Classic now had knowledge of his future, ensuring that his experiences wouldn't be the same, creating a parallel timeline.
I've got a really good time playing through the story and getting S ranks on all levels (the music was my main drive) the first time around but it's not a good enough game to try to get all the trophies or to play it all over again.