Heck yeah! Love being charged 120 for 36 packs, opening it and instantly losing 115 dollars! 😂 shoot, just make it free. The truckers who get the product to you, the artist who design the product should all just be slaves! (Lol)
Bandai can potentially reprint anything at any time. They'll reprint 40-50 year old model kits using the original moulds and packaging design if an anime hits an anniversary or there's some event for instance. They care not for the scalper or the investor.
Lorcana Attitude: Too Risky! Ravenburger will reprint it to oblivion! One PIece Attitude: Oh noh! Please don't reprint too much! All I know is by the end of this TCG era, there will a big 4 and most of the pandemic TCGs will be gone or dead like the other TCGs.
@@jfkshouldofducked4348got nothing better to do then reply to every positive comment by saying nobody plays or the game is a failure? First you're just wrong on that. You're either a lame troll or just blindly thinking nobody plays or cares for this IP and the cards. It's gaining popularity big time and a reprint is needed. As long as they just do small print runs and just do small print runs to somewhat meet demand and not flood the market everyone benefits. But I feel like I'm wasting my time as you're just too stubborn or a lame troll that needs to figure a better way to spend their time imo. Best of luck to ya
The problem is the demand might not be there. Oh, there is some demand. But the demand we are seeing is INCREDIBLY inflated due to idiots like Rudy scooping up loads of boxes cause they only see money. So we are seeing a skewed demand right now, hence why boxes are double or more MSRP. But reprinting for that demand is still a good thing cause it might flush them right back out just like FaB did. So yes, reprints are actually good in almost every scenario regardless of what BS Rudy wants to claim.
@@kennymorelandiii9406 I agree with you mostly, but I say go ahead and flood the market. I love watching flippers and gougers lose their shit when their "investment" goes down.
The game is absolutely exploding, I'm currently in NYC and there's card stores opening up that primarily exist for one piece. One piece people are huge collectors as well, the game is on its way up
Bandai is known to be reprint happy. I have about 2 or 3 Digimon boxes and I'm sure those have no chance of appreciating in value, but I like my digi dorks
Coming from a bandai game, anime fan, and ccg player. They will reprint, prove you wrong. This is just lovely guess you spent a bit much on One Piece now afraid xD. How much did you lose on Metazoo. Stop Scalping the nerds. Open your sealed boxes they're worthless. One piece aint going nowhere.
I think the only people that are upset about the reprints are people looking for a quick flip…. if you can afford to hold on long-term, this isn’t an issue at all… just an opportunity to get your dollar cost average down
They will most likely mark the reprints as such, like in the Dragonball Super Card game. Displays were labeled as 2 Edition and individual cards were marked with "Re". Good for collectors/investors and players.
I doubt it. It's only been out for like a year so I don't think they are at the point of separating it into a 1st edition and a 2nd edition or however. If it was 2-3 years after the set came out I'd say sure they would be dumb not to separate the two but it is still within a time window imo that they won't signify the reprint in any way to show whether it's early print run or not
@@kennymorelandiii9406 We won‘t see a reprint until at least 2 years in to the game. OP06/07/08, EB01, Union Arena several sets, DBS masters, DB fusion world multiple sets…a lot of cards to be printed by bandai and these are only already announced sets
@@TheTimeChamber Nah they lost value cause the game was not fun anymore with complicated mechanics and bandai started a new game for DB with fusion world.
You can be a smartass all you like but Digimon and other card games that got ruined by Bandai wasn't because they printed too much stock. One Piece was underprinted from the start ON PURPOSE as part of this common tactic to hype up and build up their products and also to help sellers like you to make more money on their card games with less stock. I know a local seller personally and they love this, getting to sell less stock for more profit since one piece products are bought at double and triple their normal price. You do the usual though of trying to confuse viewers with nonsense information with other random jibberish for added effect.
Many people (especially in the comment) are lecturing about how this will destroy the game. Lmao, sure dudes, you know business better than a successful card game company, sure. 🤣 Scalpers when everyone can get the card (they have to get a real job now) 😭🤣
Bandai has a bad track record but if they do this right they could have something with some longevity on their hands for once. The actual CCG has amazing art and is fun to play.
It is Bandai so I don't know who didn't expect them to reprint. I also dunno who would be buying into a Bandai product at the current pricing based on their past history with every other product. Will be interesting to see if they go low print run or try to go the Pokemon route yet again and bank on the IP to carry the product. I agree they need more product to actually attract a player base so we don't end up with another Metazoo but they tend to overdo it just to scrape as much as they can short term and move on to the next IP.
@@ryanoliveira9783 I am not saying they shouldn't reprin, they should. But the 'players drive the market' sentiment is just rly ignorant and egocentric.
Honestly if a lgs doesnt understand how tcgs work and assume huge companies wont take advantage of high demands for their products and print more cards then they dont understand their business and probably shouldnt be an lgs.
The more he talks about the game piece army, the more it feels like he's trying not to reckon with the fact that, for better or worse, the people he's talking about is also just general audiences. 99% of people don't know or care about market value or print runs or what have you. They just care that it costs them more money than it maybe should to play the game. You can call that good or bad, but that's what most people care about.
Well see the thing is those feelings are irrelevant and never change the reality of what a TCG is and what it needs to be to survive and thrive. Small children don't understand but they will with enough time and experience.
Yes, they handle the low number of boxes. Bandai orders must be placed 6 months in advance and stores order enough, but they always cut back on the order. So if they want to burst the bubble now, that's fine; They have already created a good market for players. Only scalpers die.
Now I'm new to the TCG hobby, but I'll throw my two cents in. Isn't One Piece a new card game that needs to grow their player base? And to grow a player base you need to meet demands and also likely reprint for new players. Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that TCG's should solidify a player base first in priority which would then lead to a secondary market that opens up more demand and the door for investors. Isn't pleasing investors first before solidifying a core player base is like putting the cart before the horse? I need to Wiki the history of Bandai's One Piece.
Fan base will always follow one piece seeing that it didn’t start from cards one piece has a huge monumental dedicated fan base since the 90s due to the manga and anime which is what one piece is first and the anime and manga is still going, Card game 2nd.
@@frankcastle9104 That's all well and good but when the manga ends there needs to be something to carry forward. A good TCG that people actually enjoy playing is a huge asset. A good game will draw people into the IP due to social gravity of a healthy community.
@@frankcastle9104 well Google showed me that this recent card game came in 2022. But like you said, the property has an already built in fanbase. So ideally investors don't need to rely on a healthy player base when there's a long standing fanbase in which a portion would collect cards. Now my follow up question would be why would Bandai care about appeasing investors so that they can make money on the secondary market when they have a game they're trying to solidify? In the end I agree with Rudy that Bandai should take it easy and not shoot its load off because Rome wasn't built in a day and Magic The Gathering didn't get its peak client base over a year. But listening to Rudy it sounds like he has shaky confidence in Bandai for their history in the industry.
Here is an interesting point to mention. The ORIGINAL print run of OP 01 has an identifier that separates it from the later runs…the blue bottom. So even with a “possible” reprint there will still be exclusivity and massive collective potential for the boxes that can identify as unique. Good luck collectors
Well our biggest local store got their "reprint" which wasn't a reprint because op02 boxes are still brown bottom and not the new boxes they're using and Magellan leader hasn't been errata'd. So they sent out the last of their stock, our local that gets 300-350 boxes of new sets got 6 op01 boxes.
Sakazuki is around ~400, mostly due to the key cards being locked behind a starter deck that got scalped. Enel is a little less. it's mostly gated behind Katakuri, you need 3-4 and theyre around 80 dollars now.@jared3622
@@jared3622300-500$ is pretty normal, you guys are so weak. 😂 Also what matters is not the price. A 200$ deck that rotates quickly and loses all its value is worse than a 1000$ edh / modern deck that keeps being relevant for decades (and holds value). This is something all players realize at some point. Standard is more expensive than "expensive formats" because you need to constantly build temporary decks that rotate and become irrelevant / worth nothing. This is the primary reason why players eventually move from standard to modern, pioneer or edh. Because players value their cards retaining value. That's just true. So the thing you don't want to recognize is that the players who spent 500$ on a tier 1 deck that is now worth 50$ feel scammed and insulted and many of them might quit the game because of it. Lots players quit yu gi oh for MTG because magic had a more stable economy. They were tired of getting scammed: they had to buy the new hot rare that was 40-60$ but then a few months later it got reprinted and crashed to 25 cents. If you get scammed like that enough times you'll also stop playing or spending money. See right now you guys are at this baby stage where you have no real experience with TCGs. But at some point you'll buy a playset of 50-60$ cards and it's gonna suck big time when it gets banned or reprinted at common. Then you'll understand why many players are also against reprinting too much and too quickly like Bandai does. You'll understand the importance of cards retaining and gaining value and how it affects the affordability of the game. If your 30$ card stays 30$, it means you're always able to trade it for a couple of 15$ cards or a different 30$ card. But if your 30$ card is now 50 cents, you lost that ability and are now 30$ poorer as a player. It's a really simple concept but too many people don't get it. If your player collection keeps losing value the game will become less affordable, you'll be forced to spend real money more often while you had the ability to just trade the cards you bought before. So you actually want player collections to have value because otherwise you kill trading, drafting and make the game too expensive to keep up with.
Reprinting so there are enough cards to have people actually play the game is fine and necessary. 200-300 dollar cards that need multiple copies to play at a competitive level for a brand new game is actually bad for the future growth of the game there needs to be a balance between the first C and the G in CCG. You know that part that WotC forgot.
I have to preorder my OP cases with distributor/Bandai like 6-7 months before sets drop. If they do kill it, stores will already be on the hook for expensive game pieces. I hope they find a good balance
That's the MO for Bandai games across the board. Before a set releases, your finding yourself pre ordering the next 3 sets. This is why I hate Bandai games and stopped playing them.
Bandai dropped the ball so hard on Digimon. They made a fun great game and needed a reprint for anyone to be able to play. But they reprinted wayyyyyy toooo hard and stores wayyyyy overbought out of that free tendies attitude. In the end way too much product to meet the demand so even though the game is good and card quality was good stores lost money and started to pull out. Hopefully Bandai understands that there is a way to reprint this and have be amazingly successful on all ends, but Bandai has unfortunately proven time and time again that they can make great card games, but cannot manage the card game market. If anyone of the games deserves the success it’s One Piece so here’s hoping.
Didn’t Bandai say they want OP to be a collectible card game (a few months ago)? That would give me the impression that they will be careful with the amount they will reprint. And of course there needs to be reprints, $300+ for OP-05 is nuts.
You need players to play your game or then you have a metazoo situation. A lot of players are getting priced out of the best decks in the meta and it’s hurting the game right now.
They did reprints with dbs and added RE next to the text on the bottom of the card(bottom right on OP) and 2nd edition on the box so they pseudo created a first print in a way
Last time Bandai did this because of game piece prices was Vermillion Bloodline and ROTUW... The cards were clearly marked to show they were 2nd edition, same with the booster boxes.
The tenuous balance between collecting and playing. For product hording and investing its always a longer term investment. Players need cards to play the game and investors want money. Basic magic had a ton of reprints and they are all worth a lot. Rudy just wants his sealed one piece to stay valuable.
Unfortunately/fortunately depending on your stance on the blue (pre errata boxes) pretty much 0% chance they would do that since those cards are mistranslated and the whole point of the newer versions is so that they could update the wording to be more clear. Even if they did blue bottoms they wouldn’t change the cards updated text to match that of older text. Also feel like Bandai should be working harder to supply and deliver on OP05 the hottest set yet rather than work on older sets. Especially 05&06
@@andreelmatacoronavirusquin1322 yes that’s true but not my point. Blue bottoms will not be reprinted as they contain cards with translation errors/confusion.
@@jameswa4013 again you guys are misinterpreting what I’m saying. I’m not saying they shouldn’t reprint older sets I’m saying it’s impossible for them to reprint OP01 blue bottom boxes due to the translation issues, if any OP01 comes out it’ll be the updated text or if any boxes they’d all be white bottoms. Ofc they should reprint boxes of all sets for everyone, however if they’re having hard enough time printing a CURRENT set 05 and the next set 06, they should focus on those before working on old product. If they kept printing 05 it wouldn’t be as expensive as it is.
Rudy - "How dare any of these stupid companies print things for players to be able to play the game. They are stupid. Don't they know these are collector pieces?" Also Rudy - "Boxes should not come out and be expensive." Please tell me I'm not the only one seeing how Rudy doesn't even have logic with himself. Like he is saying here how One Piece should not be sitting at $200+ a box instantly but is also complaining that Lorcana is printing and printing to ensure prices aren't $300+/box. It's almost like investors gobbling up boxes is a bad thing for investors. Weird. Personally, I hope this flushes every investor out. Stop killing TCGs. YOU are the reason companies "print too much". No one else.
He just wants balance, enough to where it's not ridiculous box prices but enough for people to want to buy them because if they over print not profitable for stores like him but underprint too much for the consumer and hurts the game as well. That's at least what I've gotten out of that
@@SlugmaChops Then he should be all for reprints like this and for Lorcana and for... almost every TCG. Balance is needed, sure. But that is not at all what he wants, as he constantly proves. So claiming otherwise is ignoring the point, especially when he complained that Lorcana wants prices down. The exact opposite of what you are saying he wants.
You forgot Magic, Lorcana, Dragonball Super, Battle Spirits Saga, Cardfight Vanguard, Final Fantasy, Force of Will, World of Warcraft, Star Wars, Dragonborne, My little Pony and the Spoils to name a few bigger ones
Reprints need to meet the demands that have come following their newest set. That being said, I do hope that after the next wave of reprints they close the gates and let the product appreciate slowly over time.
I get that there are plenty of collectible cards, but they need reprints for people to actually play the game instead of giving Timmy another alt art nami. The point being, the starter decks that msrp for 10$ are up to double, triple, sometimes 15x price. For basic cards built to get you into the game. Sure they will always have a collector's value sealed but this is a one year card game with so much demand that people can't properly play the game yet imo. You're saying that reprints are bad for the long term investment of the game, but it's 2024 Rudy, this game only has one format and the top deck from US National Championship is 400 bucks just like it would be for mtg standard or yu-gi-oh. I agree that there's a limit though, there's no reason for them to overprint the old sets to dirt, but going forward they need to repair their system to adhere closer to msrp for the first year of a set's release. MTG and Yu-Gi-Oh aren't failures for having plenty of stock available on release, it's important that the general public buy product, and for investors there's still modern sets that go up in price over time. The current environment of the game is great for scalpers, questionable for investors, and a failure for the players. I think it's perfectly fine for the manga op-01 Shanks to be 2k+ but it's bad for the normal secret to be 100/playset with packs at 32. It's terrible for the next set to already be pre-ordering at 2x msrp. tldr: my opinion is they need to print more so they get as many people playing the game as they can, because that is what will hold the market strong. Maybe make some more pallets of op-1 and 02, but seriously double the print order for op-07
There are 2 serialized cards. Theres serialized luffy and serialized shanks both are for tournamemt winners and i believe sell around 6k. I think no matter the print run it will be absorbed like pokemon. Evolving skies is comparable imo. Its been reprinted x amount of times and has minimal effect after a month or so
I think they will do what they did with Digimon TCG and make a reprint booster with staples from Core sets and Starter decks. Do that, in all foil with alts included, and you will benefit both players and collectors.
You should try and get your hands on some Disney topps chrome. The set is going crazy right now and it was very short printed because of the limited UK release.
What did they do with Digimon? I don't recall screams of anguish from collectors or players once they reached this point, so wouldn't they just take the same approach with One Piece?
Correction there is serialized cards just not in the sets. One Piece Serialized cards only come from winning tournaments and placing high in those tourneys like top 8 and above.
I collect video games, it would be great if they rereleased any game that was going for $100+. Collapsing the market doesn't kill the hobby, it just makes it more accessible to collectors.
Alpha Investments: Bandai should only print enough for scalpers to "invest" into making a huge profit off the customers . Customers: Print enough to satisfy the customers. . Alpha Investments: NO! F. the customers! I don't want this thing over printed to oblivion. It will destroy the CCG!!!!
Maybe I’m dumb… Which is a fair assessment. But I noticed investors call a collectible car game when companies call a trading card game… I think that is a big problem is the space.
If they run the game like a Gacha game where sets get a reprint every 1-2 years then they may have a solid game on their hand until One Piece stops being mainstream like DBZ. The unfortunate thing is that the game is tied to the Anime so it may potentially crumble 5-10 years after the anime stops. Thankfully that's at least some time away but it still adds risk to LGS's that buy cards as a long term 20-30 year investment plan.
If the one piece card game has true longevity it does not matter how much volume the reprint introduces to the market. A TCG/CCG is carried by the players and collectors who actually have an organic interest in the game. The speculators are a consequence of the secondary market and do not bring long-term success to a TCG. If a product is still in standard rotation it should be reprinted if demand is there, upsetting the speculators is of no consequence long-term.
there are no more long term holds. the market is evolving to reflect on, and feed on, our society. the new generations have no attachments to anything, including history, and arent worried about preserving anything, they would just like it now. as in everything....right now. the market as WE know it, lives and dies with us.
What do you think if Bandai made Collectors Boosters to cater to the collectors that want to open priced alternate art (the mangas), but they didnt include them in the regular packs? Would this solve the tug of war beteen collector and player?
@@ippoverse Well I would like my hobby to actually appreciate in value. Not many hobbies can do that. I left 40k to come back to MTG because the cards that I had back in the day were worth something while my miniatures weren't and would never be. It's gutting to purchase something and having it depreciate the moment the purchase it made. Some might say the game should be enough value but it's it cool to show off nice things to friends and other players? If nothing has any value then I may as well just play Euchre, I mean it's a good game and everything but it doesn't have a cool factor of having a rare card.
Tales of Middle Earth had serialized cards. They reprinted it with different serialized cards. Did that crash the market? No. But why not? Because it is a very valuable IP, and the market absorbed the reprint with new art. Will these prices hold long term? I predict flat to negative returns on Tales of Middle Earth if you buy in today. Not because I don't like the set, but because most people like the set as much as I do or more. I will wait for a better deal. If that day never comes that's fine by me. I'll just buy something else I like at a reasonable price (maybe even the S&P 500)
I am definitely holding my breath, right now, waiting for the other shoe to drop. They could bury this game like Dragon Ball, or they could alleviate some frustration and make it more sustainable in the long run. It all depends on how much they reprint, what they reprint, and how it affects the printing of newer products. Logically they have to cut printing on something to make room for the reprints. The entire reason why they haven't done reprints so far is printing capacity. The slashes on O6/07 pre-orders to accommodate this are not a good sign. What is the point of reprinting full boxes of mainly bulk to address availability of very few cards, really, if it has the side effect of making the new sets with the meta-relevant cards even less available and in much bigger need of more printing? Seriously, there are less than a handful of relevant cards in each set, and there are just as many in the starter decks to need reprinting, but they're doing full reprints of the entire set? That is wild. Especially considering some of the cards are already getting alt art reprints, albeit in expensive products, and their availability should therefore increase. People who feel the insatiable need to open sealed product don't care much for which product it is. If they had the ability to increase printing, then they should have done a reprint set with the key cards and just printed more of the upcoming product.
they definably need need need higher print runs our store asked for 48 boxes per set for the next 2 sets and we would have them sold. What did they tell us? you will have 16 total boxes over the next 2 sets
I'm of the mind that the only cards that should be for investors are rare, alt art variants of cards. Base rarities and reprints for cards that haven't seen a print for a while despite their relevance in the meta should be welcomed.
Agreed. Giving the players a reason to collect alternate art cards should be encouraged. What's the point in alternate art super rares if they aren't rare.
Digimon isn't stonks and they weren't that far behind one piece at nationals on a player level (970 vs 1300 I think). Investors just mad their cardboard isn't appraising. Also obligatory "OH NO, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN" - when Digimon WAS stonks they printed the crap out of it. It's still around and doing pretty alright. It only went down as a "failure" for investors that were mad that their 100$ boxes weren't 300$ any more.
Rudy, companies still need to layoff the workforce, foreclosures will inbound, we still have 1-2 years of depression and stock market destroying confidence, and lower interest rates to work through. Great time to selectively buy. It's going to be a long & slow recovery.
Bring on the reprints!! If this happens would be so amped!
Only scalpers don’t want reprints
Scalpers want reprints. They get more product to scalp more.
Heck yeah! Love being charged 120 for 36 packs, opening it and instantly losing 115 dollars! 😂 shoot, just make it free. The truckers who get the product to you, the artist who design the product should all just be slaves! (Lol)
Bandai can potentially reprint anything at any time. They'll reprint 40-50 year old model kits using the original moulds and packaging design if an anime hits an anniversary or there's some event for instance. They care not for the scalper or the investor.
as it should be.
Good
Lorcana Attitude: Too Risky! Ravenburger will reprint it to oblivion!
One PIece Attitude: Oh noh! Please don't reprint too much!
All I know is by the end of this TCG era, there will a big 4 and most of the pandemic TCGs will be gone or dead like the other TCGs.
Trash , makes collecting not fun
One of the few games that genuinely needs these reprints.
Not at all, the game is and will go down as a failure. Rudy is just looking to replace his meta investment
@@jfkshouldofducked4348sorry for your autism
@@jfkshouldofducked4348worked out for digimon.
wild how a game where every event caps out is a failure@@jfkshouldofducked4348
@jfkshouldofducked4348 The games been pretty successful so far so it'll survive for awhile at least.
if the demand is really there for the cards because people are playing and enjoying the game, this is great
No demand for a failure
@@jfkshouldofducked4348got nothing better to do then reply to every positive comment by saying nobody plays or the game is a failure? First you're just wrong on that. You're either a lame troll or just blindly thinking nobody plays or cares for this IP and the cards. It's gaining popularity big time and a reprint is needed.
As long as they just do small print runs and just do small print runs to somewhat meet demand and not flood the market everyone benefits.
But I feel like I'm wasting my time as you're just too stubborn or a lame troll that needs to figure a better way to spend their time imo. Best of luck to ya
The problem is the demand might not be there. Oh, there is some demand. But the demand we are seeing is INCREDIBLY inflated due to idiots like Rudy scooping up loads of boxes cause they only see money. So we are seeing a skewed demand right now, hence why boxes are double or more MSRP. But reprinting for that demand is still a good thing cause it might flush them right back out just like FaB did. So yes, reprints are actually good in almost every scenario regardless of what BS Rudy wants to claim.
@@kennymorelandiii9406 I agree with you mostly, but I say go ahead and flood the market. I love watching flippers and gougers lose their shit when their "investment" goes down.
@@jfkshouldofducked4348certified rudy supporter doing REAL WORK!
The game is absolutely exploding, I'm currently in NYC and there's card stores opening up that primarily exist for one piece. One piece people are huge collectors as well, the game is on its way up
I’m in NYC also, any stores in Queens?
I have not heard or seen one person upset about the reprints. It's what we all have been wanting.
lol tell me you dont know what makes a card game collectible without telling me
cause all the players are clueless timmies
Bandai is known to be reprint happy. I have about 2 or 3 Digimon boxes and I'm sure those have no chance of appreciating in value, but I like my digi dorks
Funny how some see it primarily as a game and others want to buy it up and store in sealed..@@HeWhoisHim.
nobodys upset about it untill they reprint everything to the ground, time will tell.
Been waiting for reprints since day 1!
One Piece is an absolutely home run of a game! My locals are constantly packed with players and this reprint is needed!
The market has gotten so bad that collectors are gatekeeping players from playing the game. Reprints are mandatory.
Good for people who actually play the game. Bad for scalpers :)
No one plays the game
It’ll be really good for people who wanna play the game when they turn into the next Metazoo
@@jfkshouldofducked4348litterallly one of the biggest ccg being played right now
It’s also bad for players. Forces you to play the meta and who wants that?
No one plays One Piece you skin flute
FYI, the people that attended the event said Bandai mentioned this in passing, there was no big announcement and no details as to what and how much
Coming from a bandai game, anime fan, and ccg player. They will reprint, prove you wrong. This is just lovely guess you spent a bit much on One Piece now afraid xD. How much did you lose on Metazoo. Stop Scalping the nerds. Open your sealed boxes they're worthless. One piece aint going nowhere.
Probably important to note that Bandai is not Hasbro. They could float on Gundam gunpla in perpetuity.
Or any anime/gaming figure, they one of yhe biggest anime/gaming toy company.
I think the only people that are upset about the reprints are people looking for a quick flip…. if you can afford to hold on long-term, this isn’t an issue at all… just an opportunity to get your dollar cost average down
I miss the days when TCG’s were fun and not an economy….
Yep too many scalpers that don’t want people to afford the game
They will most likely mark the reprints as such, like in the Dragonball Super Card game. Displays were labeled as 2 Edition and individual cards were marked with "Re". Good for collectors/investors and players.
Didnt do that for digimon when boxes hit $375 a piece. Just reprinted them plain and now theyre $90
and these sets worth none,
cause they reprint them to later in the year, and people just buy the new set.
I doubt it. It's only been out for like a year so I don't think they are at the point of separating it into a 1st edition and a 2nd edition or however. If it was 2-3 years after the set came out I'd say sure they would be dumb not to separate the two but it is still within a time window imo that they won't signify the reprint in any way to show whether it's early print run or not
@@kennymorelandiii9406 We won‘t see a reprint until at least 2 years in to the game. OP06/07/08, EB01, Union Arena several sets, DBS masters, DB fusion world multiple sets…a lot of cards to be printed by bandai and these are only already announced sets
@@TheTimeChamber Nah they lost value cause the game was not fun anymore with complicated mechanics and bandai started a new game for DB with fusion world.
You can be a smartass all you like but Digimon and other card games that got ruined by Bandai wasn't because they printed too much stock. One Piece was underprinted from the start ON PURPOSE as part of this common tactic to hype up and build up their products and also to help sellers like you to make more money on their card games with less stock. I know a local seller personally and they love this, getting to sell less stock for more profit since one piece products are bought at double and triple their normal price. You do the usual though of trying to confuse viewers with nonsense information with other random jibberish for added effect.
Many people (especially in the comment) are lecturing about how this will destroy the game. Lmao, sure dudes, you know business better than a successful card game company, sure. 🤣
Scalpers when everyone can get the card (they have to get a real job now) 😭🤣
Yay!! Romance Dawn reprints are here!! Hope they print it into the ground :) TCGplayer already has OP-01 down $300 from the high!! Letsss goooooooo!
Bandai has a bad track record but if they do this right they could have something with some longevity on their hands for once. The actual CCG has amazing art and is fun to play.
Thank fuckin god these are getting reprints. We need more!!
Instead of reprinting older sets they should print more of the new sets coming out. It's not okay to pay 200$ pre order price for op06/07/08
It is Bandai so I don't know who didn't expect them to reprint. I also dunno who would be buying into a Bandai product at the current pricing based on their past history with every other product. Will be interesting to see if they go low print run or try to go the Pokemon route yet again and bank on the IP to carry the product.
I agree they need more product to actually attract a player base so we don't end up with another Metazoo but they tend to overdo it just to scrape as much as they can short term and move on to the next IP.
Scalpers aren’t very bright
I mean as some one who has played only magic for a decade, this game is so freaking fun and the cards are beautiful.
Dear Rudy: IT’S A GAME. A GAME NEEDS PLAYERS. PLAYERS MAKE GAME PIECES VALUABLE.
Timmy approach. Decks cost not a lot of money, literally just alternate arts carry value. Collectors are a big part of one piece.
Did you watch the video?
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@@ryanoliveira9783 I am not saying they shouldn't reprin, they should. But the 'players drive the market' sentiment is just rly ignorant and egocentric.
@@Poolemik you obviously haven't been following what's happening with One Piece. Try to keep up.
@@BT-su1yf I am actually a vendor and have a bit more knowledge than you little timmy. stay broke
IF the haircut changes, we know something 's happening.
Honestly if a lgs doesnt understand how tcgs work and assume huge companies wont take advantage of high demands for their products and print more cards then they dont understand their business and probably shouldnt be an lgs.
The more he talks about the game piece army, the more it feels like he's trying not to reckon with the fact that, for better or worse, the people he's talking about is also just general audiences. 99% of people don't know or care about market value or print runs or what have you. They just care that it costs them more money than it maybe should to play the game.
You can call that good or bad, but that's what most people care about.
those people are what keeps a tcg relevant, when the only ones in it are investors who don't care about the game we get metazoo
He's applying the reserved list principles to a market that absolutely despises the reserved list and everything it stands for.
He's like a virus talking shit about the antibodies.
Well see the thing is those feelings are irrelevant and never change the reality of what a TCG is and what it needs to be to survive and thrive.
Small children don't understand but they will with enough time and experience.
@@BT-su1yflmao I love your comparison
There is 2 serialized card, Shanks and Luffy cards so far
RUMOR - Bandai has reached out to Mark Rosewater on how to successfully reprint desirable products.
Rudy - “Fractured, But Whole”
Yes, they handle the low number of boxes.
Bandai orders must be placed 6 months in advance and stores order enough, but they always cut back on the order.
So if they want to burst the bubble now, that's fine; They have already created a good market for players.
Only scalpers die.
Now I'm new to the TCG hobby, but I'll throw my two cents in. Isn't One Piece a new card game that needs to grow their player base? And to grow a player base you need to meet demands and also likely reprint for new players. Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that TCG's should solidify a player base first in priority which would then lead to a secondary market that opens up more demand and the door for investors. Isn't pleasing investors first before solidifying a core player base is like putting the cart before the horse? I need to Wiki the history of Bandai's One Piece.
Fan base will always follow one piece seeing that it didn’t start from cards one piece has a huge monumental dedicated fan base since the 90s due to the manga and anime which is what one piece is first and the anime and manga is still going, Card game 2nd.
@@frankcastle9104 That's all well and good but when the manga ends there needs to be something to carry forward. A good TCG that people actually enjoy playing is a huge asset. A good game will draw people into the IP due to social gravity of a healthy community.
@@frankcastle9104 well Google showed me that this recent card game came in 2022. But like you said, the property has an already built in fanbase. So ideally investors don't need to rely on a healthy player base when there's a long standing fanbase in which a portion would collect cards. Now my follow up question would be why would Bandai care about appeasing investors so that they can make money on the secondary market when they have a game they're trying to solidify?
In the end I agree with Rudy that Bandai should take it easy and not shoot its load off because Rome wasn't built in a day and Magic The Gathering didn't get its peak client base over a year. But listening to Rudy it sounds like he has shaky confidence in Bandai for their history in the industry.
@@geek593 and from what I've learnt recently, if there's anybody that loves a community, it's Rudy.
You’re absolutely correct
So people who enjoy the game and want to play it can afford to buy some of the old cards is bad? Reprint it all, roll it out, let folks have fun.
Here is an interesting point to mention. The ORIGINAL print run of OP 01 has an identifier that separates it from the later runs…the blue bottom. So even with a “possible” reprint there will still be exclusivity and massive collective potential for the boxes that can identify as unique. Good luck collectors
Well our biggest local store got their "reprint" which wasn't a reprint because op02 boxes are still brown bottom and not the new boxes they're using and Magellan leader hasn't been errata'd.
So they sent out the last of their stock, our local that gets 300-350 boxes of new sets got 6 op01 boxes.
Day 2 of waiting for you to talk about your involvement in the metazoo scam
Competitive decks in OP are too expensive at the moment. A small reprint is needed.
@@jared3622 maybe op2 cards are expensive but in total saka top deck must be under 250 for sure!
@@jared3622 like $500
Sakazuki is around ~400, mostly due to the key cards being locked behind a starter deck that got scalped.
Enel is a little less. it's mostly gated behind Katakuri, you need 3-4 and theyre around 80 dollars now.@jared3622
@@jared3622150 or lower was the amount of money you would pay back in the first couple of sets for the top deck in the meta. Everything was dirt cheap
@@jared3622300-500$ is pretty normal, you guys are so weak. 😂
Also what matters is not the price. A 200$ deck that rotates quickly and loses all its value is worse than a 1000$ edh / modern deck that keeps being relevant for decades (and holds value). This is something all players realize at some point. Standard is more expensive than "expensive formats" because you need to constantly build temporary decks that rotate and become irrelevant / worth nothing. This is the primary reason why players eventually move from standard to modern, pioneer or edh. Because players value their cards retaining value. That's just true.
So the thing you don't want to recognize is that the players who spent 500$ on a tier 1 deck that is now worth 50$ feel scammed and insulted and many of them might quit the game because of it. Lots players quit yu gi oh for MTG because magic had a more stable economy. They were tired of getting scammed: they had to buy the new hot rare that was 40-60$ but then a few months later it got reprinted and crashed to 25 cents. If you get scammed like that enough times you'll also stop playing or spending money.
See right now you guys are at this baby stage where you have no real experience with TCGs. But at some point you'll buy a playset of 50-60$ cards and it's gonna suck big time when it gets banned or reprinted at common. Then you'll understand why many players are also against reprinting too much and too quickly like Bandai does. You'll understand the importance of cards retaining and gaining value and how it affects the affordability of the game. If your 30$ card stays 30$, it means you're always able to trade it for a couple of 15$ cards or a different 30$ card. But if your 30$ card is now 50 cents, you lost that ability and are now 30$ poorer as a player. It's a really simple concept but too many people don't get it. If your player collection keeps losing value the game will become less affordable, you'll be forced to spend real money more often while you had the ability to just trade the cards you bought before. So you actually want player collections to have value because otherwise you kill trading, drafting and make the game too expensive to keep up with.
This is why I collect the prize cards such as serial shanks/luffy. They can't reprint the serialized cards, and other prize cards.
Reprinting so there are enough cards to have people actually play the game is fine and necessary. 200-300 dollar cards that need multiple copies to play at a competitive level for a brand new game is actually bad for the future growth of the game there needs to be a balance between the first C and the G in CCG. You know that part that WotC forgot.
“They rip their eye off and mail it to themselves” what the what? Does this mean Rudy
F the One piece market! PRINT CARDS!
Bandai doesn't give a shit....when the game is ruined...hit restart (look at dragonball)
What's Sorcery? I did a RUclips search for Wolverine impersonators, and I ended up here...
I have to preorder my OP cases with distributor/Bandai like 6-7 months before sets drop. If they do kill it, stores will already be on the hook for expensive game pieces. I hope they find a good balance
That's the MO for Bandai games across the board. Before a set releases, your finding yourself pre ordering the next 3 sets. This is why I hate Bandai games and stopped playing them.
Bandai dropped the ball so hard on Digimon. They made a fun great game and needed a reprint for anyone to be able to play.
But they reprinted wayyyyyy toooo hard and stores wayyyyy overbought out of that free tendies attitude.
In the end way too much product to meet the demand so even though the game is good and card quality was good stores lost money and started to pull out.
Hopefully Bandai understands that there is a way to reprint this and have be amazingly successful on all ends, but Bandai has unfortunately proven time and time again that they can make great card games, but cannot manage the card game market.
If anyone of the games deserves the success it’s One Piece so here’s hoping.
Didn’t Bandai say they want OP to be a collectible card game (a few months ago)?
That would give me the impression that they will be careful with the amount they will reprint.
And of course there needs to be reprints, $300+ for OP-05 is nuts.
You need players to play your game or then you have a metazoo situation. A lot of players are getting priced out of the best decks in the meta and it’s hurting the game right now.
They did reprints with dbs and added RE next to the text on the bottom of the card(bottom right on OP) and 2nd edition on the box so they pseudo created a first print in a way
Last time Bandai did this because of game piece prices was Vermillion Bloodline and ROTUW... The cards were clearly marked to show they were 2nd edition, same with the booster boxes.
This is what is needed badly. OP will go faster now.
The tenuous balance between collecting and playing. For product hording and investing its always a longer term investment. Players need cards to play the game and investors want money. Basic magic had a ton of reprints and they are all worth a lot. Rudy just wants his sealed one piece to stay valuable.
I want to know if they will actually reprint old sets vs reprinting cards with new arts into the future… huge diff and speculation too
well romance dawn OP-01 boxes just crashed over $300 so I guess you have your answer now
Unfortunately/fortunately depending on your stance on the blue (pre errata boxes) pretty much 0% chance they would do that since those cards are mistranslated and the whole point of the newer versions is so that they could update the wording to be more clear. Even if they did blue bottoms they wouldn’t change the cards updated text to match that of older text.
Also feel like Bandai should be working harder to supply and deliver on OP05 the hottest set yet rather than work on older sets. Especially 05&06
Most of the really expensive stuff is from the first 2 sets and initial starters.
@@andreelmatacoronavirusquin1322 yes that’s true but not my point. Blue bottoms will not be reprinted as they contain cards with translation errors/confusion.
No they should reprint the hell out of older sets so everyone can get it at a decent price and the scalpers will lose all their money
@@jameswa4013 again you guys are misinterpreting what I’m saying. I’m not saying they shouldn’t reprint older sets I’m saying it’s impossible for them to reprint OP01 blue bottom boxes due to the translation issues, if any OP01 comes out it’ll be the updated text or if any boxes they’d all be white bottoms.
Ofc they should reprint boxes of all sets for everyone, however if they’re having hard enough time printing a CURRENT set 05 and the next set 06, they should focus on those before working on old product. If they kept printing 05 it wouldn’t be as expensive as it is.
There are serialized cards in ONE PIECE. But theyre trophy cards won at the highest level of competition
Oh thank god i can actually try to get in the game now!
Rudy - "How dare any of these stupid companies print things for players to be able to play the game. They are stupid. Don't they know these are collector pieces?"
Also Rudy - "Boxes should not come out and be expensive."
Please tell me I'm not the only one seeing how Rudy doesn't even have logic with himself. Like he is saying here how One Piece should not be sitting at $200+ a box instantly but is also complaining that Lorcana is printing and printing to ensure prices aren't $300+/box. It's almost like investors gobbling up boxes is a bad thing for investors. Weird. Personally, I hope this flushes every investor out. Stop killing TCGs. YOU are the reason companies "print too much". No one else.
He just wants balance, enough to where it's not ridiculous box prices but enough for people to want to buy them because if they over print not profitable for stores like him but underprint too much for the consumer and hurts the game as well. That's at least what I've gotten out of that
@@SlugmaChops Then he should be all for reprints like this and for Lorcana and for... almost every TCG. Balance is needed, sure. But that is not at all what he wants, as he constantly proves. So claiming otherwise is ignoring the point, especially when he complained that Lorcana wants prices down. The exact opposite of what you are saying he wants.
I love one piece, yugioh, weiss, flesh and blood, meta zoo, sorcery, pokemon, digimon, uno, we definitely need more tcgs and ccgs
You forgot Magic, Lorcana, Dragonball Super, Battle Spirits Saga, Cardfight Vanguard, Final Fantasy, Force of Will, World of Warcraft, Star Wars, Dragonborne, My little Pony and the Spoils to name a few bigger ones
also the bionicle tcg, don't forget that@@chaozboy9482
Too bad the spoils didn't make it
A lot of people are price locked from entering into the market. They have to do it
A reprint will breathe actually life into the game in the US
Exactly only scalpers are mad about this. OP deserves to be more accessible to US players
Reprints need to meet the demands that have come following their newest set. That being said, I do hope that after the next wave of reprints they close the gates and let the product appreciate slowly over time.
I get that there are plenty of collectible cards, but they need reprints for people to actually play the game instead of giving Timmy another alt art nami. The point being, the starter decks that msrp for 10$ are up to double, triple, sometimes 15x price. For basic cards built to get you into the game. Sure they will always have a collector's value sealed but this is a one year card game with so much demand that people can't properly play the game yet imo. You're saying that reprints are bad for the long term investment of the game, but it's 2024 Rudy, this game only has one format and the top deck from US National Championship is 400 bucks just like it would be for mtg standard or yu-gi-oh. I agree that there's a limit though, there's no reason for them to overprint the old sets to dirt, but going forward they need to repair their system to adhere closer to msrp for the first year of a set's release. MTG and Yu-Gi-Oh aren't failures for having plenty of stock available on release, it's important that the general public buy product, and for investors there's still modern sets that go up in price over time. The current environment of the game is great for scalpers, questionable for investors, and a failure for the players. I think it's perfectly fine for the manga op-01 Shanks to be 2k+ but it's bad for the normal secret to be 100/playset with packs at 32. It's terrible for the next set to already be pre-ordering at 2x msrp.
tldr: my opinion is they need to print more so they get as many people playing the game as they can, because that is what will hold the market strong. Maybe make some more pallets of op-1 and 02, but seriously double the print order for op-07
Bandai ain't no WOTC or even Mike lmao.
There's no such thing as a reserved list for them.
There are 2 serialized cards. Theres serialized luffy and serialized shanks both are for tournamemt winners and i believe sell around 6k.
I think no matter the print run it will be absorbed like pokemon. Evolving skies is comparable imo. Its been reprinted x amount of times and has minimal effect after a month or so
EVO SKIES IS BEST SET IN TCG HISTORY
@@SWSH826 I disagree its all hype moonbreon has no scarcity, and will be irrelevant in a few years when it's pop a million at a 70% PSA 10 rate.
I think they will do what they did with Digimon TCG and make a reprint booster with staples from Core sets and Starter decks. Do that, in all foil with alts included, and you will benefit both players and collectors.
You should try and get your hands on some Disney topps chrome. The set is going crazy right now and it was very short printed because of the limited UK release.
that is why the pre errata nami is so valuable ...its basically 1st edition
What did they do with Digimon? I don't recall screams of anguish from collectors or players once they reached this point, so wouldn't they just take the same approach with One Piece?
Maybe you don't know, but their have been several waves of one piece per set. The error would be to reprint a out of print set.
I hope they print the shit out of it.
I hope so too!!
Correction there is serialized cards just not in the sets. One Piece Serialized cards only come from winning tournaments and placing high in those tourneys like top 8 and above.
I hope Bandai can use Pokimon as a blue print for successful print runs and longevity with One Piece🎉❤
With all your knowledge of logistics and print runs and inventory management, I'm surprised you aren't on as a consultant for some of these companies
I am happy about this.
Screw all the paper investors.
THEY ARE GAME PIECES!
I really hope they do diff alts at least. And specials especially...
Let the prices drop! They will rise again!
I collect video games, it would be great if they rereleased any game that was going for $100+.
Collapsing the market doesn't kill the hobby, it just makes it more accessible to collectors.
5 dollar haircut man's hairline receds an inch as he goes crazy seeing another company go for *G.A.M.E P.I.E.C.E.S*
Rudy plugging 3rd tier TCGs and pretending that he knows what he is doing, after the collapse of MetaZoo is kind of funny... but also kind of sad.
Alpha Investments: Bandai should only print enough for scalpers to "invest" into making a huge profit off the customers
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Customers: Print enough to satisfy the customers.
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Alpha Investments: NO! F. the customers! I don't want this thing over printed to oblivion. It will destroy the CCG!!!!
And like Metazoo...they pulled the rug out from under us. The issue is it's in all the Game Piece bros... NO near term reprint!!!
You're correct but the people paying 4k for a card got a bit giddy
Actually very excited for this reprint. Product isn't obtainable for the every day collector
Maybe I’m dumb… Which is a fair assessment. But I noticed investors call a collectible car game when companies call a trading card game… I think that is a big problem is the space.
Scalpers are ruining the game.
If they run the game like a Gacha game where sets get a reprint every 1-2 years then they may have a solid game on their hand until One Piece stops being mainstream like DBZ. The unfortunate thing is that the game is tied to the Anime so it may potentially crumble 5-10 years after the anime stops. Thankfully that's at least some time away but it still adds risk to LGS's that buy cards as a long term 20-30 year investment plan.
If the one piece card game has true longevity it does not matter how much volume the reprint introduces to the market. A TCG/CCG is carried by the players and collectors who actually have an organic interest in the game. The speculators are a consequence of the secondary market and do not bring long-term success to a TCG. If a product is still in standard rotation it should be reprinted if demand is there, upsetting the speculators is of no consequence long-term.
I'd love a reprint that's higher than lower. Maybe I'll get manga rares at $500-$800 each
there are no more long term holds. the market is evolving to reflect on, and feed on, our society. the new generations have no attachments to anything, including history, and arent worried about preserving anything, they would just like it now. as in everything....right now. the market as WE know it, lives and dies with us.
Finally, actual insight.
I hope they reprint alot bc that makes it easier for player and collectors. The only ones that are mad are the investobros
One piece is just a mcdonalds happy meal toy
You’re thinking of Metazoo which Rudy pushed and is now going to zero
@@andreelmatacoronavirusquin1322 you’re right, it’s a taco bell floppy meal toy
What do you think if Bandai made Collectors Boosters to cater to the collectors that want to open priced alternate art (the mangas), but they didnt include them in the regular packs? Would this solve the tug of war beteen collector and player?
Like, I just want to play the game, but how can I and my friends get in and support it (creating demand) if the price is so steep?
They may not have to reprint much, the fear of the reprints will flood the market with product
Nah we need mass reprints ASAP. I wanna collect scalper tears
@@ippoverse Well I would like my hobby to actually appreciate in value. Not many hobbies can do that. I left 40k to come back to MTG because the cards that I had back in the day were worth something while my miniatures weren't and would never be.
It's gutting to purchase something and having it depreciate the moment the purchase it made. Some might say the game should be enough value but it's it cool to show off nice things to friends and other players? If nothing has any value then I may as well just play Euchre, I mean it's a good game and everything but it doesn't have a cool factor of having a rare card.
Tales of Middle Earth had serialized cards. They reprinted it with different serialized cards. Did that crash the market? No. But why not? Because it is a very valuable IP, and the market absorbed the reprint with new art. Will these prices hold long term? I predict flat to negative returns on Tales of Middle Earth if you buy in today. Not because I don't like the set, but because most people like the set as much as I do or more. I will wait for a better deal. If that day never comes that's fine by me. I'll just buy something else I like at a reasonable price (maybe even the S&P 500)
I am definitely holding my breath, right now, waiting for the other shoe to drop. They could bury this game like Dragon Ball, or they could alleviate some frustration and make it more sustainable in the long run. It all depends on how much they reprint, what they reprint, and how it affects the printing of newer products. Logically they have to cut printing on something to make room for the reprints. The entire reason why they haven't done reprints so far is printing capacity. The slashes on O6/07 pre-orders to accommodate this are not a good sign. What is the point of reprinting full boxes of mainly bulk to address availability of very few cards, really, if it has the side effect of making the new sets with the meta-relevant cards even less available and in much bigger need of more printing? Seriously, there are less than a handful of relevant cards in each set, and there are just as many in the starter decks to need reprinting, but they're doing full reprints of the entire set? That is wild. Especially considering some of the cards are already getting alt art reprints, albeit in expensive products, and their availability should therefore increase. People who feel the insatiable need to open sealed product don't care much for which product it is. If they had the ability to increase printing, then they should have done a reprint set with the key cards and just printed more of the upcoming product.
they definably need need need higher print runs our store asked for 48 boxes per set for the next 2 sets and we would have them sold. What did they tell us? you will have 16 total boxes over the next 2 sets
Wait… the company known for reprinting and overprinting is doing a large reprint? {shocked pikachu face}
Rudy I envy your knowledge and position size in this hobby. For real your a cool dude and wish you the best.
I'm of the mind that the only cards that should be for investors are rare, alt art variants of cards. Base rarities and reprints for cards that haven't seen a print for a while despite their relevance in the meta should be welcomed.
Agreed. Giving the players a reason to collect alternate art cards should be encouraged. What's the point in alternate art super rares if they aren't rare.
Digimon isn't stonks and they weren't that far behind one piece at nationals on a player level (970 vs 1300 I think). Investors just mad their cardboard isn't appraising.
Also obligatory "OH NO, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN" - when Digimon WAS stonks they printed the crap out of it. It's still around and doing pretty alright. It only went down as a "failure" for investors that were mad that their 100$ boxes weren't 300$ any more.
Dear Rudy there are serialised Tournament Winner Cards in One Piece just to correct your messed hairs
Rudy, companies still need to layoff the workforce, foreclosures will inbound, we still have 1-2 years of depression and stock market destroying confidence, and lower interest rates to work through.
Great time to selectively buy. It's going to be a long & slow recovery.
Bro the market is at a all time high lmao
Bro my 401k and stocks are so high like now, what are you smoking
@@sandwhale4292 exactly these people have no common sense and no idea what’s actually going on in the world