Stereo mix wins hands down for me. Something about Atmos always feels like something is up with phase. Am i the only person the feels this way. Also the Atmos mix feels cluttered. Good work and thanks for the A/B.
Sorry Chris, stereo mix sounds better to me through headphones than either Atmos mix. Probably could use less long-tail reverb, but that's my only complaint
Hi Chris! Thanks for the great insights. Will you cover which distribution services accept spatial audio for independent artists to publish to Apple Music?
I personally prefer your stereo mix, it's drier and more to the point. The atmos mix, by comparison, sounds like it fell down a well. There is of course also the point that not many people will hear the atmos mix like you hear it because music really is mostly consumed on phones nowadays. I live with three teenagers and can confirm that statement. It seems that atmos is mostly for the entertainment of the engineers on RUclips, it won't have much real world application, at least for the foreseeable future, cinema aside of course.
Hi, great video and very informative! Just wondering what would be the ideal configuration for the Symphony I/O Mk II to use for mixing in Atmos with Logic Pro?
Could you make a short video showing how you automated the panning on the objects on the BRK LD track? (09:30-10:32) I assume that you automated them using the latch function in 3D object panner in conjuction with the synth note timing using four points of automation along with the height information on a separate automation track. Am I close? (edit) Ok, I went back through the video series on atmos and found the answer on video #6 at 17:24.
You're talented and you know how to use your tools. No doubt, that's why it's interesting and I realy appreciate your work, you save our time by testing all these news things, you learn us. But, well, thru headphones (the "standard" 7506s plugged in a laptop) your atmos mix sounds somehow "hollow". The music is somewhere but not with us. I prefer the stereo mix. And hearing thru headphones is the real test as 90% of our listeners will not listen to us in a special room with 12 speakers. Actually I faced the same problem with all my atmos trials. Something "large", like a big empty stereo field hence hollow, with panning earcandies, without presence. That's why I 've given up on this subject for now. I'll certainly will shift my mind in some months, the technology will progress and our finals listeners will maybe have access to "immersive things" without fancy and costly accessories. For now I'm still using the classic binaural panning outside atmos and sometimes ambisonic recordings, its more convincing. And well, if you want to have any real appreciations of the 3D object panning, don't look at "the little dot on the screen", close your eyes to know what you actualy hear and what your final listener, who will never see your screen, will hear. For your next test, let us hear a stereo mix, from a stereo bounce from a standard stereo logic project, and the exact same stereo track put as a bed in an atmos project, without any 3D object, and rendered in stereo. Just a bed rendered in stereo in an atmos project.
Hi, FLH3. I am also using 7506's and I noticed that I had to turn up the volume on my Mac and the speakers I was plugged into. Then the sound got more "lush". I also preferred the Apple render version. Again, I don't see people sitting in the center of a room with 12 speakers unless it's soundproof and refreshments are in arms reach. Or maybe it's a home theater set up. I have listened to ATMOS with my Air Pods and that's pretty neat! (I could not hear any difference in Chris' tambourine switching) Gianni♥
The music itself and the performance are far more important than the format. Tempo, pretty slow and draggy, no organic elements, no soul in any of the electronic elements, vocal lacks any real emotion, or soul. Just a really bland song IMO, which no format will save. Came here from a RUclips recommendation as I’m gonna try some atmos mixing with logic, Dear VR pro, Dear VR monitor, on headphones to get my feet wet. I’m actually a DP user, but will try logic for the Atmos features. I think a stronger song/composition is needed to really show the potential of atmos. Stereo probably sounded the best on my very quick listen on airpod pro 2. Ear candy moving objects didnt wow me….
It's really impressive how bad Dolby Atmos sound. Sure it could work for ambient albums. But it sounds like all those stupid DSP modes 5.1 had. like Concert Sound and all that. I'm sure this could work great for music. But its the producer who needs to do it. Not some mixng engineer who goes crazy over his new toy and all you get is a WOW effect and a pretty bad mix.
Stereo mix wins hands down for me. Something about Atmos always feels like something is up with phase. Am i the only person the feels this way. Also the Atmos mix feels cluttered. Good work and thanks for the A/B.
It’s because he is using Apple render. Dolby render is more accurate.. in stereo too
@@mistermusicenterprise3148 Oh got ya. Thanks.
Appreciate that a lot!
Sorry Chris, stereo mix sounds better to me through headphones than either Atmos mix. Probably could use less long-tail reverb, but that's my only complaint
Atmos sounds sooo good
Hi Chris! Thanks for the great insights.
Will you cover which distribution services accept spatial audio for independent artists to publish to Apple Music?
I personally prefer your stereo mix, it's drier and more to the point. The atmos mix, by comparison, sounds like it fell down a well. There is of course also the point that not many people will hear the atmos mix like you hear it because music really is mostly consumed on phones nowadays. I live with three teenagers and can confirm that statement. It seems that atmos is mostly for the entertainment of the engineers on RUclips, it won't have much real world application, at least for the foreseeable future, cinema aside of course.
that is a sick mustache
Hi, great video and very informative! Just wondering what would be the ideal configuration for the Symphony I/O Mk II to use for mixing in Atmos with Logic Pro?
Could you make a short video showing how you automated the panning on the objects on the BRK LD track? (09:30-10:32) I assume that you automated them using the latch function in 3D object panner in conjuction with the synth note timing using four points of automation along with the height information on a separate automation track. Am I close? (edit) Ok, I went back through the video series on atmos and found the answer on video #6 at 17:24.
Why was 5:06 low-mid range effect so much more present/audible on Apple Renderer 5:55 ?
You're talented and you know how to use your tools. No doubt, that's why it's interesting and I realy appreciate your work, you save our time by testing all these news things, you learn us.
But, well, thru headphones (the "standard" 7506s plugged in a laptop) your atmos mix sounds somehow "hollow". The music is somewhere but not with us.
I prefer the stereo mix.
And hearing thru headphones is the real test as 90% of our listeners will not listen to us in a special room with 12 speakers.
Actually I faced the same problem with all my atmos trials. Something "large", like a big empty stereo field hence hollow, with panning earcandies, without presence. That's why I 've given up on this subject for now. I'll certainly will shift my mind in some months, the technology will progress and our finals listeners will maybe have access to "immersive things" without fancy and costly accessories.
For now I'm still using the classic binaural panning outside atmos and sometimes ambisonic recordings, its more convincing.
And well, if you want to have any real appreciations of the 3D object panning, don't look at "the little dot on the screen", close your eyes to know what you actualy hear and what your final listener, who will never see your screen, will hear.
For your next test, let us hear a stereo mix, from a stereo bounce from a standard stereo logic project, and the exact same stereo track put as a bed in an atmos project, without any 3D object, and rendered in stereo. Just a bed rendered in stereo in an atmos project.
Hi, FLH3. I am also using 7506's and I noticed that I had to turn up the volume on my Mac and the speakers I was plugged into. Then the sound got more "lush". I also preferred the Apple render version. Again, I don't see people sitting in the center of a room with 12 speakers unless it's soundproof and refreshments are in arms reach. Or maybe it's a home theater set up. I have listened to ATMOS with my Air Pods and that's pretty neat! (I could not hear any difference in Chris' tambourine switching)
Gianni♥
@@Giannboy1 Everything sounds better with +4db more... 😄
Atmos is wayyyy more emotive to me
The music itself and the performance are far more important than the format. Tempo, pretty slow and draggy, no organic elements, no soul in any of the electronic elements, vocal lacks any real emotion, or soul. Just a really bland song IMO, which no format will save. Came here from a RUclips recommendation as I’m gonna try some atmos mixing with logic, Dear VR pro, Dear VR monitor, on headphones to get my feet wet. I’m actually a DP user, but will try logic for the Atmos features. I think a stronger song/composition is needed to really show the potential of atmos. Stereo probably sounded the best on my very quick listen on airpod pro 2. Ear candy moving objects didnt wow me….
It's really impressive how bad Dolby Atmos sound.
Sure it could work for ambient albums. But it sounds like all those stupid DSP modes 5.1 had. like Concert Sound and all that.
I'm sure this could work great for music. But its the producer who needs to do it. Not some mixng engineer who goes crazy over his new toy and all you get is a WOW effect and a pretty bad mix.