Working at a theater is the 90s, we were all over this stuff. We had a theater with one auditorium that was THX, and it was a pretty big deal. It was formally a United Artist theater. Back in the day, they had a lot of clout and could get big, exclusive movies. When companies changed hands, they still had the equipment and eventually let the THX license lapse, but it still sounded amazing. When Cinemark came to town, they made a really big deal about promoting their THX houses. I saw tons of movies back then, and had my favorite theaters. The CInemark with the DTS/THX combo was my favorite.
11:54 and also in cars! My 2014 Lincoln MKS has the 14-speaker THX Audio system. It has a dedicated center channel and trunk mounted subwoofer that is ported through the rear deck. Sounds absolutely incredible
I've been a huge fan of surround sound since getting my PS3 back in 2009. Before that I experimented with non discreet Quadraphonic sound and JVC's Hyper Surround Sound. But I bought a Yamaha 5.1 Dolby Digital made in 1999 and hooked it up to 4 speakers, a center speaker and powered subwoofer to my PS3 and I haven't looked back. I think I'm gonna really like this channel a lot. Cheer's Joe.
Love this new channel. Just got my first semi-surround system (A soundbar with subwoofer and rear speakers) for Christmas, and I'm already amazed at how much I was missing for so long. Looking forward to more videos and going back to games that I didn't have a chance to experience properly!
That was excellent coverage of each sound format. There have been so many over time. It's great to have a primer on what each one is capable of in presentation & performance.
Joe I am loving the content for this new channel and I learned a lot from this video! I can't wait to see what content you have lined up for the future!
This was a compact and clear summary. My perception is that Dolby usually was the first to invent a technology first, then DTS tried to one-up it at a higher bitrate, and we need to pay license fees to both and often have duplicate tracks on discs. A gaming computer could output separate channels, why would it choose a compressed format to send the signal a few meters to an amp?
Thank you, i've always had questions about sound formats, but there really arent many pieces of content that provide simple descriptions and all in one
Same here, i dont know what to choose for my surround sound in my xbox. Like I have blu rays w dts-HD and Dolby True-HD but there is no option on the xbox. Do I just choose uncompressed 7.1 or just choose Atmos for dolby content and DTS:X for all DTS content as I heard they might be backwards compatible w all their lesser formats. Do you know what I am supposesbto do. I cant find anything on this and like 50 plus million people use the xbox as their blu raybplayer but not 1 explaination on the whole darn internet.
2024. This is one of the best summations/explanations of the endless marketing BS regarding sound format wars. The simplicity of 5.1 is still top-notch vs modern day Atmos this and that. I remember there was a format that included a centre rear channel, making it 6.1. Personally, for me I think that would be the ideal format without an overkill of channels for typical home theater set ups. Cinemas would be different due to the large venue allowing for unlimited space and speaker placement options. A full discrete 10.1 surround set up in this case. eg L, R, C, left upper channel, right upper channel and the same at the back = 10 discrete channels + the subwoofer would be the way to go. Unless you are a multi-millionaire who can afford a large, dedicated home theatre room, this would be an overkill setup for a typical home environment. Personally, for me, that THX intro was the best out of all the format promos videos. Gave me goose bumps in its presentation especially at home.
BTW There is a discrete DTS-ES 6.1 format, and some DVDs came out in this format like The Lord of the Rings: The Extended Edition Trilogy, The End of Evangelion, Titanic, and Spirited Away.
Thank you very much for this. I run 35mm as a hobby. Its good information as I consider myself a rookie. I am running a CP500 and have DTS along with Dolby Digital.
Great video, i always wanted to know more about SDDS. Also, if you check the War of The Worlds DVD with Tom Cruise, there are 2 tracks: Dolby Digital and DTS, and OH BOY you can tell the difference on the bitrate right from the beginning. It’s pretty abysmal mainly on high notes, like the back fence on the house shaking just before the lightning strikes.
I'm upgrading my home theater system and this helped tremendously! Thanks, looking forward to more! I'm thinking of adding atmos, but I move my living room around alot and didn't know if it was worth it. Please let me know if it is. I love Good sound when watching a movie! Thanks again
This is indeed very well put...beyond the reach of most though. Still, (digitally) knowing Joe I can understand why he needed to get this on record. Nice. Thanks.
I'm currently using Dolby Atmos trough Razer Nari Ultimate X headset on a Xbox Series X. For some reason, DTS X and Microsoft's equivalent causes me to suffer from migraines. Which is a shame as DTS X seems to have more clarity. Great video again.
I’ve only just discovered how many older dvds and Blu-rays use DTS especially DTS master audio. And I discovered this only after buying a new OLED tv… which doesn’t support DTS! I think this will be a problem going forward, the more new sound formats created, the more companies will ditch others due to licensing fees.
As patents for the older compression formats expire, manufacturers can put open source software codecs in a TV. AC-3 is now free. I'm not sure where DTS stands as it is newer. Patents last about 20 years. Now Dolby invents newer formats and convinces everyone that we need them to keep a revenue stream coming.
By far the most educational video Ive seen about sound format. One format that was missing, the RSS “Roland Surround Sound” which was used in “Snatcher” for PCE CD & SEGA CD. Was that a true format or just a fancy name for a sound gimmick??
Hey Joe, do you know that most Disney VHS tapes releases used “Lucasfilm Ltd.” instead of “Digitally Mastered”? Just about every THX certified VHS known to man has the dreaded THX Broadway trailer except one. The DVD’s had mostly Broadway, sometimes different THX trailers such as Cavalcade, Tex 1/2, Broadway 2000 and Amazing Life. As for laserdiscs, mostly Broadway and sometimes Cimarron, JFYI. (Just for your information).
Excellent stuff! I would love for you to break down what the sound is on different formats as well, from VHS, LaserDisc, DVD, Blu-ray and Ultra HD, perhaps in the future?
That one dislike... I bet it was The Exasperated Gamer. He's definitely not an audiophile! Neither am I, but I do appreciate you explaining us the different audio formats.
I think whatever you do is entertaining Joe. Very informative, thank you! I hope you expand upon this and offer some optimal equipment solutions to specific consoles, kind of how My Life in Gaming does for getting the best possible video quality for each individual video game system. I have always wondered if my audio setup is "incorrect" and if I can get better sound from where I position my speakers, what receiver to use, going into options within games/consoles and choosing the correct format, etc. Looking forward to more!
Yeah I'm having trouble getting all my movies converted into headphones surround. My first love of surround formats came when the The TV salesman looked at our media room which is very asymmetrical and in 2008 said it would cost $10,000 in labor alone plus the equipment to get it working in one particular place for surround sound. Luckily my friend was a competitor on WCG Ultimate Gamer season 1 and he never played his headphones before he listened to the Triton sponsored headphones and it's the games that use them well he said he could pick out sounds in 3D and make decisions a lot quicker and Do a lot more blind dodging and blind aiming than a normal stereo set. I got a Turtle Beach DSS1 which works great for the movie or video game.... As long as the movie or video game is encoded in some form of Dolby. Every Dolby movie sounded great through that every DTS movie was silent. Every LPCM movie sounded lackluster. The PlayStation 3 had auto conversions to any of the three formats based on what you told that your sound system could do. The Xbox One S came really close to the perfect audio system for movies that You could buy Dolby Atmos headphone for 15 bucks or DTS X headphone for 20 bucks or both and also use window Sonic which converts LPCM into a headphone surround track. The problem with that is it doesn't auto switch for some strange reason. I asked Dolby and DTS representatives why would anyone want to listen to all Dolby even on DTS movies and vice versa and both of them admitted you want to keep the headphone format and original movie format hand in glove. Mixing formats is the worst thing you could do in home theater. In our communal surround sound room we have to make compromises we have a Turtle Beach DSS1 but It only works on TV shows on Dish Network and on movies that are encoded in Dolby. No one makes a universal headphone adapter that could be spread to three or more users on headphones that could convert every movie accurately into 3D surround sound. The closest thing I found was the Xbox One S. The problem is I need to keep my One S for the 3D movies because the series S doesn't do 3D movies or blu-rays in general because it doesn't have a physical disc. But it couldn't do 3D digital movies either. What would be the best solution to this problem?
IMAX theatrically has its own audio format that films are mixed for to play in these theaters. There is the older 6 track format and the modern 12 track. What makes the format unique is that it does not have an LFE channel at all as all IMAX speakers are full range meaning they can reproduce low frequencies.
Well all normal theater speakers are full range as well. The LFE is its own independent channel and not there just to pick up the slack from the main channels. Very very few cinemas have their low frequencies crossed over with a subwoofer. IMAX is a different beast (don't take that to mean "better" because it isn't).
@@soundsack5400 That's interesting to know, I was not aware of this fact, IMAX propaganda probably got to me lol. BTW great video, I loved how you explained all audio formats including Dolby Stereo which always confused me. I also appreciate mentioning video games as gaming audio/sound formats/ surround sound is not talked about at all.
Definitely need more views for this very informative. Sony receivers still have the sddr format still in its membrane for some reason Sony receivers apart from the high end. Tend to miss certain sounds, I changed my Sony amp for a pioneer 7.2.2 and clearly the sound of ocean and near field sound was more noticeable. Now I could have gone with yah mama or Denon. Pioneer Elites never fail. Has all the resources I listen too.
i dont know what to choose for my surround sound in my xbox. Like I have blu rays w dts-HD and Dolby True-HD but there is no option on the xbox. Do I just choose uncompressed 7.1 or just choose Atmos for dolby content and DTS:X for all DTS content as I heard they might be backwards compatible w all their lesser formats. Do you know what I am supposesbto do. I cant find anything on this and like 50 plus million people use the xbox as their blu raybplayer but not 1 explaination on the whole darn internet.
@@user-bj1mx2ip1c don’t choose uncompressed some receivers have a mode that lets DTs true hd atmos passthrough. On the Xbox there’s stereo or digital audio that passes through hdmi. Just get a 7.2 amp you should be good. Most streaming use digital HD. Some Amazon movies have atmos not all VUDU has atmos you need a good internet stream atleast 12 MPs.
@@GeoFavTech i have 200 megabit internet so im good. I have a q950a samsung sound bar setup and no reciever. You mentioned DTs true HD but DTS is DTS-HD and dolbys is dolby True HD. The xbox one x options are: 5.1 or 7.1 uncompressed, dolby digital, DTS digital, Dolby Atmos, and DTX. My issue is which one do I choose if my blu rays is either dolby true hd or DTS-HD as xbox has neither but has the older formats and newest formats but not those formats which are the most popular on blurays from reg HD movies. I been going by ear and i used a DTS HD blue ray and went back and forth between DTS digital, DTX, and 7.1 and it seems the 7.1 sounds the best, and since dts hd and dolby true hd are 7.1 maybe thats why theybdidnt include it fugured we would maybe know better as it is uncompressed sound vs dts and dolbys compressed 7.1 sound formats. The 7.1 did sound better than the dts digital and better than the dtx. Thats my take but im new to this. If you could give any pointers i would be extremely greatful. And i have everything connected to soundbar and eARC to tv from soundbar so i have good bandwidth
@@user-bj1mx2ip1c soundbars don’t have all the audio formats unless you atleast 1500$. Now your question which one you set it on that depends on you setting it from the bluray audio settings menu if u choose Dts-HD that’s what the Xbox one sends to your soundbar speakers. If your speakers are Dolby Atmos means you have a pair of upward firing speakers. Problem with soundbars u can’t turn off speakers and listen to the Atmos audio only. To be honest Atmos audio in a movie is 15% of the movie. that’s why Dolby Atmos sample videos are so popular you get all the juicy video sound in 30 sec to 2 minute video. I play those when visitors come over to explain the new video sound format.
@@GeoFavTech i have a $1800 soundbar set. Im just sticking w uncompressesed 7.1, as said before, the odd thing is my soundbar gives the xbox the option to choose dts digital (5.1), but it doesnt show dts HD (7.1) but it shows 7.1 uncompressed. Soundbar on xbox does show DTX as a option which is the newest 3d surround format from DTS. So why would the soundbar or xbox show the older DTs and newest but not the middle which is the majority of 1080p blurays. So I don't know rather to choose the newest or older format but I've deducted it must be 7.1 uncompressed.
I think I try hook up my spare speakers again. Do use a 3.1 audio. I do not have high end audio. It is a 5.1 set from a rel. small builder in Berlin "Teufel" Is optical hooked up to an receiver and than to the sub and from there to the speakers.
RUclips, Can I like this video 4,000 times please? Not just because the video is that amazing, but because the total number of likes would be 5.1k and everyone knows 5.1 is really really cool.
Cool video. Just like to say that sometimes more channels isn't always a good thing. I have an anime series called Escaflowne on Blu Ray. Most of the discs have three audio options in Dolby TruHD: two for English and one for Japanese. The new English dub has five channels, which sound awfully quiet through my analog stereo speakers with a subwoofer, while the other two sound loud and clear (in dual channels).
Love the video but you left a piece of the dts ES explaining on the table. dts made two versions of dts ES. There was dts ES Matrix which is the dts version of Dolby Digital Surround EX and there was dts ES Discrete. dts ES Discrete is a true 6.1 surround format where the rear center channel had its own channel information that did not rely on the left and right surround information.
Awesome work, Joe! Great subject and a great new channel. Subscribed. A real shame that RUclips only lets me hear it in simple-ass stereo, and not the 7.1 you intended!
is there any software that can simulate surround sound, or convert a file to surround, i know one would be boom3d, and one could be the razer surround, but those are live feeds, i was wondering if there was something for converting?
Q-sound at the end of the day IS totally normal stereo, on a technical basis. It’s just very widely mixed with some occasional phase tricks employed by the processor in the mixing stage. I don’t like to look at Q-sound from the perspective of “Q-sound is better or worse than no Q-sound” but rather, it just is what it is. Some things used it and some things didn’t, but ultimately they sound how they sound. At the end of the day there really IS no basis for comparison. Some things were mixed with it and some (most) things weren’t. The US soundtracks for Sonic CD and Ecco The Dolphin CD are mixed with Q sound, as were many of the titles worked on by that composer (his name escapes me) They both have a very particular, high-gloss sheen to them typical of late 80’s/early 90’s pop/funk (in the case of sonic) or New Age music (in the case of Ecco.) I think the Q sound mixing is complementary to that style that was particularly in vogue at the time. They sound right to me. And it’s not like there is a non-Q Sound version, so again, they sound how they sound whether you ignore the fact they used Q-sound or not. For another great Q-sound demonstration album, - excellent on headphones - and something a bit more popular/mainstream than game music, look for the original 1990 CD release of Madonna’s “Immaculate Collection”. It’s a compilation album of practically all her biggest hits up to that point, all newly remixed in Q-sound. Since some of the remixes are so drastically different to the originals I think it is able to stand on its own merits as a great listening experience without an apples-to-oranges comparison to the originals.
Not entirely sure what you're getting at. But Q-Sound is a thing just like Dolby Pro-Logic is a thing. Both are delivered via normal stereo connection and both require stereo. Q-Sound is worth discussing, and people wonder how it can envelop you and how you should place your speakers to take advantage of it, etc.
@@soundsack5400 I would say the distinction between Q-sound and Pro-Logic is that with pro-logic, there are multiple channels of audio going into the processor at the studio to matrix them into a 2 channel format, and then on the listener’s end there is another layer of processing that attempts to re-separate those channels as originally input. There is something there that has to be encoded, and then de-coded. Q-sound on the other hand from every step in the studio to the end listener is only stereo. It’s a very enveloping use of those 2 channels, but from beginning to end, still stereo. The Q-sound processor in the studio would be patched in during the mixing stage and applied to individual channels on the board, but it just affected their phase relationship between those 2 channels. Similar tricks have existed since the 60’s but Q-sound was an effort to give the process a cool name, standardize it and market it as such. I think it’s cool. It’s a shame it didn’t really make it past the mid-90’s! It’s worth noting that there were also more advanced implementations of Q-sound that were a bit closer technically to what pro-logic achieved, but the one used for on some music CDs (and by extension, some Sega CD games with redbook CD audio) was the earlier, more basic implementation.
So if you're trying to play older consoles in surround sound, what do you need? Do modern surround receivers decode older formats that Playstation and Playstation 2 games would output correctly?
Great video I prefer great sound in video games that take advantage of real surround sound it can make the experience so much better gears 5 has an awesome sound experience by the way
Love this Sound Sack thing you are doing. Keep them coming please! You should do a video explaining how to properly use surround. For example, when I watch a vhs which has the “Dolby Surround” logo on it. Which mode should I set my receiver to? Would the “PLIIX” setting give me the proper sound?
But, what about home tv sound formats like SRS and BBE that was popular on Sony Trinitrons years ago? What are they and what do they do exactly? I think Sony might still be using SRS on its current LCD/LED tvs or, at least, a newer variant
I feel as though Q Sound is most noticeable in Sonic CD. Certain sounds seem brighter and more dynamic than others. It's hard to describe in words, but there is a difference.
Same here, i dont know what to choose for my surround sound in my xbox. Like I have blu rays w dts-HD and Dolby True-HD but there is no option on the xbox. Do I just choose uncompressed 7.1 or just choose Atmos for dolby content and DTS:X for all DTS content as I heard they might be backwards compatible w all their lesser formats. Do you know what I am supposesbto do. I cant find anything on this and like 50 plus million people use the xbox as their blu raybplayer but not 1 explaination on the whole darn internet.
If this helps anyone...I recently watched Cruella on Blu Ray. This has DTS Master Audio in it. I am running PS4 to Soundbar to Projector. I played with the sound settings both in The PS4 and Blue Ray settings. With "Bitstream(Direct)" Selected in Blue Ray along with Bitstream Dolby selected in PS4 I got Dolby Digital. With Bitstream DTS selected on PS4 setting I got DTS Surround. BUT with LPCM selected on both PS4 and Blue Ray the display on the blue ray(press pause for this display to show) I got the DTS Master 7.1 audio fed into my setup. I only have a 5.1 setup so idk what happens to the those other 2 channels 🤣🤷. Also in LPCM the dialogue was alot better from the center channel. However I believe video games get downgraded to stereo in lpcm possibly. The action scenes and object sounds actually sounded surround (Horizon Zero Dawn) but whenever you speak to someone I heard voice in the 3 front channels. So theres that.
For Qsound it was permanently in the mix. It was never utilized well. You can hear it's potential at 1:07 of the Sting song Mad About You even on your stereo phone. Put phone close to your face with the stereo positioned left and right. If you hold the phone so left and right are vertical it doesn't work and the slide bass almost dissappears. But when positioned properly the bass is to the left and slightly behind. Back in 1990 you could see how can engineer is worried it will mess up the mono mix or sub par listening. But it Eleven works from RUclips video ruclips.net/video/MxtYzo0OLXs/видео.htmlsi=s-PRhV4Jc2NYz-8t
I'm going to LOVE this new channel from the creator of Game Sack. Sound in film was important to me since I was a young teen growing up. I can pinpoint my love for a film soundtrack: Jurassic Park in THX!!! I was in jr high when I saw it. That classic demo started and I was all "that the fuck is a.... WOAH!!!!!!!". I... LOVE... THX!!!!!! The theater roared with excitement. Ever since, my mother hated when I watched a movie for THAT, our home theater (2 speakers) at the time had to be cranked and felt with the bass. She still doesn't get why it has to be "loud". I'm still THAT nerd yesterday, today and tomorrow. It's paying off though... my buddies, my family watch movies at my place because of Covid-19 shutting down the theaters. The HBO Max streaming is awesome as well as every streaming platform out there. I host "Movie Night" with eatz, beers and awesomeness. I recently scored a 2.1 THX computer set-up from Wal-Mart (sounds amazing) for my projector that I set up for what I call it "Movies Under The Stars". I can't wait to get tips from this channel. Stay awesome, stay amazing and stay safe... all of yous.
Thanks for doing this , I have always wondered about all these formats and the differences . At the end it’s always about what equipment you have at home and it’s capabilities to accurately reproduce the sound track .
Working at a theater is the 90s, we were all over this stuff. We had a theater with one auditorium that was THX, and it was a pretty big deal. It was formally a United Artist theater. Back in the day, they had a lot of clout and could get big, exclusive movies. When companies changed hands, they still had the equipment and eventually let the THX license lapse, but it still sounded amazing. When Cinemark came to town, they made a really big deal about promoting their THX houses. I saw tons of movies back then, and had my favorite theaters. The CInemark with the DTS/THX combo was my favorite.
Cinemark unfortunately doesn't care anymore. They don't even play THX Trailers before shows in their THX auditoriums.
@@SebastianSegura1138They should
The Tomlinson Holman Experiment sounds like a phenomenal prog rock band.
i remember the THX logo in the beginning of the NFS Underground games on PC
And the GameCube and PS2. Which as Joe said just seems that EA paid a license to get that on the game for flex reasons?
Yeah most early 2000's EA games were THX certified and there were some games that were THX certfied weren't EA
11:54 and also in cars! My 2014 Lincoln MKS has the 14-speaker THX Audio system. It has a dedicated center channel and trunk mounted subwoofer that is ported through the rear deck. Sounds absolutely incredible
That was really interesting. As an audiophile I hope we get more content like this!
In surround sound: Have a seat.
Subscribed. I love your work, Joe. Keep it up.
Best summary of Surround I've seen, thank you.
I've been a huge fan of surround sound since getting my PS3 back in 2009. Before that I experimented with non discreet Quadraphonic sound and JVC's Hyper Surround Sound. But I bought a Yamaha 5.1 Dolby Digital made in 1999 and hooked it up to 4 speakers, a center speaker and powered subwoofer to my PS3 and I haven't looked back.
I think I'm gonna really like this channel a lot. Cheer's Joe.
This is so good! People need to know this!
I love your discrete "Low Pass" corrections, hardly noticed them!
Love this new channel. Just got my first semi-surround system (A soundbar with subwoofer and rear speakers) for Christmas, and I'm already amazed at how much I was missing for so long. Looking forward to more videos and going back to games that I didn't have a chance to experience properly!
That was excellent coverage of each sound format. There have been so many over time. It's great to have a primer on what each one is capable of in presentation & performance.
i love all these film promo animations
Joe I am loving the content for this new channel and I learned a lot from this video! I can't wait to see what content you have lined up for the future!
This was a compact and clear summary. My perception is that Dolby usually was the first to invent a technology first, then DTS tried to one-up it at a higher bitrate, and we need to pay license fees to both and often have duplicate tracks on discs. A gaming computer could output separate channels, why would it choose a compressed format to send the signal a few meters to an amp?
I would think it's to save on storage space media.
Thank you, i've always had questions about sound formats, but there really arent many pieces of content that provide simple descriptions and all in one
Same here, i dont know what to choose for my surround sound in my xbox. Like I have blu rays w dts-HD and Dolby True-HD but there is no option on the xbox. Do I just choose uncompressed 7.1 or just choose Atmos for dolby content and DTS:X for all DTS content as I heard they might be backwards compatible w all their lesser formats. Do you know what I am supposesbto do. I cant find anything on this and like 50 plus million people use the xbox as their blu raybplayer but not 1 explaination on the whole darn internet.
That conductor THX pre-roll scared the hell out of me as a kid
Really, thank you.
This was one of the most confusing thing for the longest that I'm slightly more confident about.
The Pink Floyd Immersion Box Sets have the original Quadrophonic Pink Floyd album mixes on them.
This is the perfect explanation period.
2024.
This is one of the best summations/explanations of the endless marketing BS regarding sound format wars. The simplicity of 5.1 is still top-notch vs modern day Atmos this and that. I remember there was a format that included a centre rear channel, making it 6.1. Personally, for me I think that would be the ideal format without an overkill of channels for typical home theater set ups.
Cinemas would be different due to the large venue allowing for unlimited space and speaker placement options. A full discrete 10.1 surround set up in this case. eg L, R, C, left upper channel, right upper channel and the same at the back = 10 discrete channels + the subwoofer would be the way to go. Unless you are a multi-millionaire who can afford a large, dedicated home theatre room, this would be an overkill setup for a typical home environment.
Personally, for me, that THX intro was the best out of all the format promos videos. Gave me goose bumps in its presentation especially at home.
Nice video
You shoud do a video about where to buy home audio equipments or home theathers and accessories to get an optimum experience
Fantastic summary. Clarified alot of my guesses and questions.. Thanks alot!
BTW There is a discrete DTS-ES 6.1 format, and some DVDs came out in this format like The Lord of the Rings: The Extended Edition Trilogy, The End of Evangelion, Titanic, and Spirited Away.
Thank you very much for this. I run 35mm as a hobby. Its good information as I consider myself a rookie. I am running a CP500 and have DTS along with Dolby Digital.
Joe! I love this new channel! I’ve long been interested in audio formats and this truly was illuminating!!
Awesome! I want to see more of this!
Thank you for this, Joe. I feel like video game sound and the technologies behind is still a neglected area for discussion and education.
Awesome video! Super interesting and helpful to have all of these formats laid out like this. Also loved hearing the Super Monkey Ball music!
Great video, i always wanted to know more about SDDS. Also, if you check the War of The Worlds DVD with Tom Cruise, there are 2 tracks: Dolby Digital and DTS, and OH BOY you can tell the difference on the bitrate right from the beginning. It’s pretty abysmal mainly on high notes, like the back fence on the house shaking just before the lightning strikes.
I'm upgrading my home theater system and this helped tremendously! Thanks, looking forward to more! I'm thinking of adding atmos, but I move my living room around alot and didn't know if it was worth it. Please let me know if it is. I love Good sound when watching a movie! Thanks again
This is indeed very well put...beyond the reach of most though. Still, (digitally) knowing Joe I can understand why he needed to get this on record. Nice. Thanks.
I'm currently using Dolby Atmos trough Razer Nari Ultimate X headset on a Xbox Series X.
For some reason, DTS X and Microsoft's equivalent causes me to suffer from migraines. Which is a shame as DTS X seems to have more clarity.
Great video again.
I’ve only just discovered how many older dvds and Blu-rays use DTS especially DTS master audio. And I discovered this only after buying a new OLED tv… which doesn’t support DTS! I think this will be a problem going forward, the more new sound formats created, the more companies will ditch others due to licensing fees.
As patents for the older compression formats expire, manufacturers can put open source software codecs in a TV. AC-3 is now free. I'm not sure where DTS stands as it is newer. Patents last about 20 years. Now Dolby invents newer formats and convinces everyone that we need them to keep a revenue stream coming.
By far the most educational video Ive seen about sound format.
One format that was missing, the RSS “Roland Surround Sound” which was used in “Snatcher” for PCE CD & SEGA CD. Was that a true format or just a fancy name for a sound gimmick??
Ah yes, to my knowledge that was just another thing like Qsound... an attempt to expand stereo into a "virtual" 3D space. Forgot about that one!
Dracula X and Ys 4 also have this and I can’t really tell any difference. RSS was supposed to make the soundstage a bit wider, maybe?
Love the Super Monkey Ball music. Miss that game
Hey Joe, do you know that most Disney VHS tapes releases used “Lucasfilm Ltd.” instead of “Digitally Mastered”? Just about every THX certified VHS known to man has the dreaded THX Broadway trailer except one. The DVD’s had mostly Broadway, sometimes different THX trailers such as Cavalcade, Tex 1/2, Broadway 2000 and Amazing Life. As for laserdiscs, mostly Broadway and sometimes Cimarron, JFYI. (Just for your information).
Excellent stuff! I would love for you to break down what the sound is on different formats as well, from VHS, LaserDisc, DVD, Blu-ray and Ultra HD, perhaps in the future?
Just found the channel, what a great video!!
Never took ya as an audio guy, instant subscribe.
Joe. THANK YOU.
Where were the THX trailers from? They very clear and the best scans I've seen!
That one dislike... I bet it was The Exasperated Gamer. He's definitely not an audiophile! Neither am I, but I do appreciate you explaining us the different audio formats.
I think whatever you do is entertaining Joe. Very informative, thank you! I hope you expand upon this and offer some optimal equipment solutions to specific consoles, kind of how My Life in Gaming does for getting the best possible video quality for each individual video game system. I have always wondered if my audio setup is "incorrect" and if I can get better sound from where I position my speakers, what receiver to use, going into options within games/consoles and choosing the correct format, etc. Looking forward to more!
This is really good. I'm enjoying these a lot!
Great video! Thanks 🙌🏾
Yeah I'm having trouble getting all my movies converted into headphones surround.
My first love of surround formats came when the The TV salesman looked at our media room which is very asymmetrical and in 2008 said it would cost $10,000 in labor alone plus the equipment to get it working in one particular place for surround sound.
Luckily my friend was a competitor on WCG Ultimate Gamer season 1 and he never played his headphones before he listened to the Triton sponsored headphones and it's the games that use them well he said he could pick out sounds in 3D and make decisions a lot quicker and Do a lot more blind dodging and blind aiming than a normal stereo set.
I got a Turtle Beach DSS1 which works great for the movie or video game.... As long as the movie or video game is encoded in some form of Dolby.
Every Dolby movie sounded great through that every DTS movie was silent. Every LPCM movie sounded lackluster.
The PlayStation 3 had auto conversions to any of the three formats based on what you told that your sound system could do.
The Xbox One S came really close to the perfect audio system for movies that You could buy Dolby Atmos headphone for 15 bucks or DTS X headphone for 20 bucks or both and also use window Sonic which converts LPCM into a headphone surround track.
The problem with that is it doesn't auto switch for some strange reason. I asked Dolby and DTS representatives why would anyone want to listen to all Dolby even on DTS movies and vice versa and both of them admitted you want to keep the headphone format and original movie format hand in glove. Mixing formats is the worst thing you could do in home theater.
In our communal surround sound room we have to make compromises we have a Turtle Beach DSS1 but It only works on TV shows on Dish Network and on movies that are encoded in Dolby.
No one makes a universal headphone adapter that could be spread to three or more users on headphones that could convert every movie accurately into 3D surround sound. The closest thing I found was the Xbox One S. The problem is I need to keep my One S for the 3D movies because the series S doesn't do 3D movies or blu-rays in general because it doesn't have a physical disc. But it couldn't do 3D digital movies either.
What would be the best solution to this problem?
Great work Joe, love your content even more now!
IMAX theatrically has its own audio format that films are mixed for to play in these theaters. There is the older 6 track format and the modern 12 track. What makes the format unique is that it does not have an LFE channel at all as all IMAX speakers are full range meaning they can reproduce low frequencies.
Well all normal theater speakers are full range as well. The LFE is its own independent channel and not there just to pick up the slack from the main channels. Very very few cinemas have their low frequencies crossed over with a subwoofer. IMAX is a different beast (don't take that to mean "better" because it isn't).
@@soundsack5400 That's interesting to know, I was not aware of this fact, IMAX propaganda probably got to me lol.
BTW great video, I loved how you explained all audio formats including Dolby Stereo which always confused me. I also appreciate mentioning video games as gaming audio/sound formats/ surround sound is not talked about at all.
Ah another way to get my sack fix...
Amazing video, Joe. Really interested. Learned a bunch today.
Love this new channel, Monkey Target 2 is a great choice of bgm
Definitely need more views for this very informative. Sony receivers still have the sddr format still in its membrane for some reason Sony receivers apart from the high end. Tend to miss certain sounds, I changed my Sony amp for a pioneer 7.2.2 and clearly the sound of ocean and near field sound was more noticeable. Now I could have gone with yah mama or Denon. Pioneer Elites never fail. Has all the resources I listen too.
i dont know what to choose for my surround sound in my xbox. Like I have blu rays w dts-HD and Dolby True-HD but there is no option on the xbox. Do I just choose uncompressed 7.1 or just choose Atmos for dolby content and DTS:X for all DTS content as I heard they might be backwards compatible w all their lesser formats. Do you know what I am supposesbto do. I cant find anything on this and like 50 plus million people use the xbox as their blu raybplayer but not 1 explaination on the whole darn internet.
@@user-bj1mx2ip1c don’t choose uncompressed some receivers have a mode that lets DTs true hd atmos passthrough. On the Xbox there’s stereo or digital audio that passes through hdmi. Just get a 7.2 amp you should be good. Most streaming use digital HD. Some Amazon movies have atmos not all VUDU has atmos you need a good internet stream atleast 12 MPs.
@@GeoFavTech i have 200 megabit internet so im good. I have a q950a samsung sound bar setup and no reciever. You mentioned DTs true HD but DTS is DTS-HD and dolbys is dolby True HD. The xbox one x options are: 5.1 or 7.1 uncompressed, dolby digital, DTS digital, Dolby Atmos, and DTX. My issue is which one do I choose if my blu rays is either dolby true hd or DTS-HD as xbox has neither but has the older formats and newest formats but not those formats which are the most popular on blurays from reg HD movies. I been going by ear and i used a DTS HD blue ray and went back and forth between DTS digital, DTX, and 7.1 and it seems the 7.1 sounds the best, and since dts hd and dolby true hd are 7.1 maybe thats why theybdidnt include it fugured we would maybe know better as it is uncompressed sound vs dts and dolbys compressed 7.1 sound formats. The 7.1 did sound better than the dts digital and better than the dtx. Thats my take but im new to this. If you could give any pointers i would be extremely greatful. And i have everything connected to soundbar and eARC to tv from soundbar so i have good bandwidth
@@user-bj1mx2ip1c soundbars don’t have all the audio formats unless you atleast 1500$. Now your question which one you set it on that depends on you setting it from the bluray audio settings menu if u choose Dts-HD that’s what the Xbox one sends to your soundbar speakers. If your speakers are Dolby Atmos means you have a pair of upward firing speakers. Problem with soundbars u can’t turn off speakers and listen to the Atmos audio only. To be honest Atmos audio in a movie is 15% of the movie. that’s why Dolby Atmos sample videos are so popular you get all the juicy video sound in 30 sec to 2 minute video. I play those when visitors come over to explain the new video sound format.
@@GeoFavTech i have a $1800 soundbar set. Im just sticking w uncompressesed 7.1, as said before, the odd thing is my soundbar gives the xbox the option to choose dts digital (5.1), but it doesnt show dts HD (7.1) but it shows 7.1 uncompressed. Soundbar on xbox does show DTX as a option which is the newest 3d surround format from DTS. So why would the soundbar or xbox show the older DTs and newest but not the middle which is the majority of 1080p blurays. So I don't know rather to choose the newest or older format but I've deducted it must be 7.1 uncompressed.
I think I try hook up my spare speakers again. Do use a 3.1 audio.
I do not have high end audio. It is a 5.1 set from a rel. small builder in Berlin "Teufel"
Is optical hooked up to an receiver and than to the sub and from there to the speakers.
Thanks i didn't know y'all did these
can u explain abt IMAX Laser 11.1 audio and why imax doesn't have many speaker counts in theatre like dts and dolby
RUclips, Can I like this video 4,000 times please? Not just because the video is that amazing, but because the total number of likes would be 5.1k and everyone knows 5.1 is really really cool.
The CDS logo is actually a really good one, just from a graphical design perspective.
Something tells me that the "low pass" audio was edited in... Can't quite put my finger on why though...
Learnt a bunch from this and was thoroughly entertained. Thanks so much :-)
Great video. I got a question: what means that an audio channel is discreet?
very educational. thanks sir
Cool video. Just like to say that sometimes more channels isn't always a good thing. I have an anime series called Escaflowne on Blu Ray. Most of the discs have three audio options in Dolby TruHD: two for English and one for Japanese. The new English dub has five channels, which sound awfully quiet through my analog stereo speakers with a subwoofer, while the other two sound loud and clear (in dual channels).
Somehow I missed this 7 months ago. Interesting episode! I feel less ignorant. About sound formats anyway. Still ignorant overall though.
Really enjoyed this, all this time I never knew that the subwoofer was the .1
when im in a launching shittons of confusing formats competition and my opponent is dolby
Wow, just found bonus Game Sack content!
Great explanation! Thanks a bunch! 😊
Love the video but you left a piece of the dts ES explaining on the table. dts made two versions of dts ES. There was dts ES Matrix which is the dts version of Dolby Digital Surround EX and there was dts ES Discrete. dts ES Discrete is a true 6.1 surround format where the rear center channel had its own channel information that did not rely on the left and right surround information.
The audio format developed by imax is called sonic
Awesome work, Joe! Great subject and a great new channel. Subscribed.
A real shame that RUclips only lets me hear it in simple-ass stereo, and not the 7.1 you intended!
is there any software that can simulate surround sound, or convert a file to surround, i know one would be boom3d, and one could be the razer surround, but those are live feeds, i was wondering if there was something for converting?
Very interesting thank you!
That was some really interesting stuff that I've learned today.
Q-sound at the end of the day IS totally normal stereo, on a technical basis. It’s just very widely mixed with some occasional phase tricks employed by the processor in the mixing stage.
I don’t like to look at Q-sound from the perspective of “Q-sound is better or worse than no Q-sound” but rather, it just is what it is. Some things used it and some things didn’t, but ultimately they sound how they sound. At the end of the day there really IS no basis for comparison. Some things were mixed with it and some (most) things weren’t.
The US soundtracks for Sonic CD and Ecco The Dolphin CD are mixed with Q sound, as were many of the titles worked on by that composer (his name escapes me)
They both have a very particular, high-gloss sheen to them typical of late 80’s/early 90’s pop/funk (in the case of sonic) or New Age music (in the case of Ecco.)
I think the Q sound mixing is complementary to that style that was particularly in vogue at the time. They sound right to me. And it’s not like there is a non-Q Sound version, so again, they sound how they sound whether you ignore the fact they used Q-sound or not.
For another great Q-sound demonstration album, - excellent on headphones - and something a bit more popular/mainstream than game music, look for the original 1990 CD release of Madonna’s “Immaculate Collection”. It’s a compilation album of practically all her biggest hits up to that point, all newly remixed in Q-sound.
Since some of the remixes are so drastically different to the originals I think it is able to stand on its own merits as a great listening experience without an apples-to-oranges comparison to the originals.
Not entirely sure what you're getting at. But Q-Sound is a thing just like Dolby Pro-Logic is a thing. Both are delivered via normal stereo connection and both require stereo. Q-Sound is worth discussing, and people wonder how it can envelop you and how you should place your speakers to take advantage of it, etc.
@@soundsack5400 I would say the distinction between Q-sound and Pro-Logic is that with pro-logic, there are multiple channels of audio going into the processor at the studio to matrix them into a 2 channel format, and then on the listener’s end there is another layer of processing that attempts to re-separate those channels as originally input. There is something there that has to be encoded, and then de-coded.
Q-sound on the other hand from every step in the studio to the end listener is only stereo. It’s a very enveloping use of those 2 channels, but from beginning to end, still stereo.
The Q-sound processor in the studio would be patched in during the mixing stage and applied to individual channels on the board, but it just affected their phase relationship between those 2 channels. Similar tricks have existed since the 60’s but Q-sound was an effort to give the process a cool name, standardize it and market it as such.
I think it’s cool. It’s a shame it didn’t really make it past the mid-90’s!
It’s worth noting that there were also more advanced implementations of Q-sound that were a bit closer technically to what pro-logic achieved, but the one used for on some
music CDs (and by extension, some Sega CD games with redbook CD audio) was the earlier, more basic implementation.
So if you're trying to play older consoles in surround sound, what do you need? Do modern surround receivers decode older formats that Playstation and Playstation 2 games would output correctly?
This is the video I always wanted but didn't know where or how to find.
How have I only just found out about this channel!?
Great video I prefer great sound in video games that take advantage of real surround sound it can make the experience so much better gears 5 has an awesome sound experience by the way
Can I get a link of a private video of Joe saying "Low-Pass" over and over with different cadence and emotion? That made me feel some type of way.
Doesn't like QSound, yet puts Ecco in the closing scene, which is in QSound, lol. Good stuff Joe!
Love this Sound Sack thing you are doing. Keep them coming please! You should do a video explaining how to properly use surround. For example, when I watch a vhs which has the “Dolby Surround” logo on it. Which mode should I set my receiver to? Would the “PLIIX” setting give me the proper sound?
I'm an audio nerd and have a 5.1 set up so this is great! Does RUclips support multichannel yet?
It's still stereo only, sadly.
I just found out about your Sound Sack channel, Joe. Thanks for this video :)
i didn't understand anything but still grateful for sacks
Where's Dave??
Oh.. sorry, wrong channel.
What's the music during the Binaural Sound segment?
That's Ecco the Dolphin on the Sega CD, which was recorded in QSound... very effectively I might add. Especially it's sequel, Tides of Time.
I wonder what Dolby City DTS Trailer and SDDS Trailer THX Broadway And Cimarron Trailers Was from
But, what about home tv sound formats like SRS and BBE that was popular on Sony Trinitrons years ago? What are they and what do they do exactly? I think Sony might still be using SRS on its current LCD/LED tvs or, at least, a newer variant
Nice explanation, thx
I feel as though Q Sound is most noticeable in Sonic CD. Certain sounds seem brighter and more dynamic than others. It's hard to describe in words, but there is a difference.
The best use of QSound remains Madonna’s Immaculate Collection album. La Isla Bonita (Immaculate Version) was used to sell stereos for a long time.
I'm triggered by the double-error "Thanks for watching!" at the end
But seriously, good video. Always wondered why there was a ".1" at the end of certain render settings in Premiere Pro, this'll be why.
That was the intent. Did you see it fix itself?
Same here, i dont know what to choose for my surround sound in my xbox. Like I have blu rays w dts-HD and Dolby True-HD but there is no option on the xbox. Do I just choose uncompressed 7.1 or just choose Atmos for dolby content and DTS:X for all DTS content as I heard they might be backwards compatible w all their lesser formats. Do you know what I am supposesbto do. I cant find anything on this and like 50 plus million people use the xbox as their blu raybplayer but not 1 explaination on the whole darn internet.
Thanks for the show, are you going to go through every console and explain the best way to extract sound from it?
If this helps anyone...I recently watched Cruella on Blu Ray. This has DTS Master Audio in it. I am running PS4 to Soundbar to Projector. I played with the sound settings both in The PS4 and Blue Ray settings. With "Bitstream(Direct)" Selected in Blue Ray along with Bitstream Dolby selected in PS4 I got Dolby Digital. With Bitstream DTS selected on PS4 setting I got DTS Surround. BUT with LPCM selected on both PS4 and Blue Ray the display on the blue ray(press pause for this display to show) I got the DTS Master 7.1 audio fed into my setup. I only have a 5.1 setup so idk what happens to the those other 2 channels 🤣🤷. Also in LPCM the dialogue was alot better from the center channel. However I believe video games get downgraded to stereo in lpcm possibly. The action scenes and object sounds actually sounded surround (Horizon Zero Dawn) but whenever you speak to someone I heard voice in the 3 front channels. So theres that.
For Qsound it was permanently in the mix. It was never utilized well. You can hear it's potential at 1:07 of the Sting song Mad About You even on your stereo phone. Put phone close to your face with the stereo positioned left and right. If you hold the phone so left and right are vertical it doesn't work and the slide bass almost dissappears. But when positioned properly the bass is to the left and slightly behind. Back in 1990 you could see how can engineer is worried it will mess up the mono mix or sub par listening. But it Eleven works from RUclips video ruclips.net/video/MxtYzo0OLXs/видео.htmlsi=s-PRhV4Jc2NYz-8t
Hi there,
Do you prefer the AVR for a home cinema kind of approach or do you rather have the preamp / mono block kind of route??
I'm going to LOVE this new channel from the creator of Game Sack. Sound in film was important to me since I was a young teen growing up. I can pinpoint my love for a film soundtrack: Jurassic Park in THX!!! I was in jr high when I saw it. That classic demo started and I was all "that the fuck is a.... WOAH!!!!!!!". I... LOVE... THX!!!!!! The theater roared with excitement. Ever since, my mother hated when I watched a movie for THAT, our home theater (2 speakers) at the time had to be cranked and felt with the bass. She still doesn't get why it has to be "loud". I'm still THAT nerd yesterday, today and tomorrow. It's paying off though... my buddies, my family watch movies at my place because of Covid-19 shutting down the theaters. The HBO Max streaming is awesome as well as every streaming platform out there. I host "Movie Night" with eatz, beers and awesomeness. I recently scored a 2.1 THX computer set-up from Wal-Mart (sounds amazing) for my projector that I set up for what I call it "Movies Under The Stars". I can't wait to get tips from this channel. Stay awesome, stay amazing and stay safe... all of yous.
Thanks for doing this , I have always wondered about all these formats and the differences . At the end it’s always about what equipment you have at home and it’s capabilities to accurately reproduce the sound track .
No love for Sensurround, Quintaphonic, 4-Track Magnetic Stereo or Ultra Stereo :( Still.........great list!
I love this!