Denis Villeneuve's Dune is Compelling, Engaging and FRUSTRATING!!
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- Denis Villeneuve's Dune is Compelling, Engaging and FRUSTRATING!!
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00:00 - Spoiler Free Intro
03:40 - The Good
06:21 - The Bad
13:40 - The Why
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Sorry guys, the time code is incorrect, the correct number timecode is 13:40 - Apologies!
Also, judging by the comments its PAINFULLY clear, detractors have not listened to what I have said here. I said its a good film. It's just not an accurate film and I PERSONALLY don't like the changes. I can both like the film and disagree with it, life is not black and white.
@@JoeTheUberGeek I get what you are saying, but I would rather disagree is not accurated is accurated to the main plot of the book is inacurrated to ploth of the books like Paul killing the Baron or Chani not being a believer or even as I saw in your video Hawat arc.
I agree this changes in first aspect look bad the first time I saw the film i didn't like the idea of Chani leving but I have to say that after watching again the movie (and reading the book again to see part 2) i have to admit for example Chani as a character outside being the love interest dosen't stand out of being like any other fremen as she is a believer and with her change we know Paul is not a heroe in the first hand something rather Frank Herbert we could say fail to potrait and fix with Dune mesia.
And with Hawat I really like his arc with the Harkonen but not really his death in the books, I have to say I would love they gave say something to him but part 2 was to long put the arc of Hawat and to die in the end I believe it would have not work in the end. Its a adaptation not everything is gonna stay the same believe me like I say I didn't like about the aspect of Chani first but at least is a very interesting plot moving forward (it make sense with the narrative of the movie)
This review is the reason why Denis Villeneuve is the director of the Dune film and arm chair fans are not. This is not a 20 episode TV series that can squeeze in all your every favorite moments and characters from the book. His job was to dissect the heart of the story and make a compelling movie experience. Chani is for the audience; so they can relate to Paul's journey and understand the stakes of his decisions, without this brilliant change the movie would never work. It is the perfect choice to do this since most of the books main character motivations are communicated with internal dialogue. Chani lets us all know what Paul is actually going through. I just don't think book fans understand how different movie making is to just point for point regurgitation of the book. Denis was not tasked with making a documentary about Dune.
While that may be true, Villeneuve did NOT have to push Chani all the way to the extreme: a look of concern, a look of fear, Chani DID challenge Jessica directly, would have suffice. After all Chani still wanted to liberate her people!!
And yes, Villenueve is just a craftsman, David Lynch is the Auteur!!
Villenueve failed to highlight two major plot points: "Father! Father, the Sleeper hath Awakened".... And Fremen are following another Hakkonnen
@@chasx7062 Villenue’s version DID cover the Harkonnen part. Lynch is the one who skipped it. And Chani was barely a character in Lynch’s. She just stood there and looked pretty, hardly saying more than three lines.
@@joshdaymusicedwell Lynch only had less than 2 hr
@@chasx7062 Yeah, but your argument was that DV didn’t cover the whole Dune still being controlled by a Harkonnen. But he did, and Lynch didn’t. So I fail to understand your argument.
He had more than 5 hours and did worse than Lynch who had 3 hours in the extended director's cut. What the hell does it even mean that CHani is for the audience? She is simply unbearable and gets away with things that normally a person living in that kind of society would not. How can the Fremen even be a united group when there is so much division between them regarding their beliefs? Makes no sense. No such group can exist the way it was portrayed in the movie. The atheists are all but making fun of the believers constantly. In a real setting, they would simply not be together at all. Chani is unsupportive and a pain in the ass with her constipated look most of the time. Why would Paul want to be with a woman who acts like that is beyond me. A leader needs a women who is right behind him giving her best even though she has her doubts. A leader does not need some feminist a-hole who is slapping him and leaving him in the most important moments.
As a book reader I thought this was one of the best book to movie adaptations I have ever aeen. Imo most of the changes made sense, in the book Chani feels more like Paul's badass Amazon wifey, Chani's changes in the movies were to make her the figurehead of fremen resistance against the idea of Paul as the Mahdi, and not just be his cheerleader/therapist. This gives the fremen more agency and doesnt paint them as singleminded as they sometimes feel in the first book.
They could have done this with another character, but they were constrained by time, which I woule bet is the same reason they left Thufir out of this one. I love Thufir in the books, but imo it wouldn't be compelling to have scenes showing him incorrectly paranoid againat Jessica, when the movies are already showing Jessica as a force of darkness.
For me, changing Chani in this way ruins their relationship and has me completely at odds with a potential Part 3.
"in the book Chani feels more like Paul's badass Amazon wifey" She was, and they loved each other.
Not only was it not the best adaption (book to film adaption), it was pretty poorly adapted imo. This doesn't touch LOTR, The Godfather, Interview with the Vampire etc. It's not even better than the Sci-fi miniseries version of Dune, which has a comparable runtime, if you combine Dune part 1 & 2 together. Too many important plot threads/characters were left out and the end result was so streamlined that it removes many of the most important themes in the book. The sad part is, that many of the plot threads that develop into huge story arcs in the rest of the books were sliced away.
If the Fremen would not have been so single minded, they would not have been fueling power behind the Jihad. It is also a pitty that he left out the sharing of the Water of Life, because it is one of the reasons for the Fremen to act almost as one organism. I feel the Fremen culture, which came into being due to them being for ages in a very harsh environment, is not really portrait in the film, especially because this culture is so important for understanding why Paul entering it and embracing it, made it such an explosive situation.
I do not care about slight changes to characters... and Chani was fine in the movie. The complete removal of the spacing guild fundamentally breaks the world of Dune.... rendering it not a very good book to movie adaptation. It's a 9/10 5 plus hour spectacle. It's very wide, but only as deep as a fake spice patch.
There is just not enough room in my head for my eyes to roll back far enough for this review. As a delivery to the magnanimousness of this story Dennis D. did an absolute stellar creation of this movie. Yes some small changes to the story but they improved it with this vehicle.
Turning Paul into some sort of machiavellian semi-villain manipulator is not a small change.
You really missed the mark.
You put quotes of Frank Herbert in the beginning of your video, showing us the KEY theme of the books.
Chani IS the voice of Herbert in this movie. Villeneuve did not waste her as a side character, but used her, and the emotion built up for Paul, to convey Herberts message in a powerfull way.
For your other points:
-Hawats plot line is interesting, but would have added way too much screen time to be believable
-Margot Fenring was used as a lever to strenthen the Bene Gesserit plot line, which was great, instead of being another side character her screen time is used to solidify a core theme.
-The water of life worm cycle would have needed a whole bunch of boring exposition to explain to the general public. Complicated and convoluted, so they used the atomics instead, which reduces screen time and conveys the same message.
Movies have to make decisions as to what needs to be adapted, they have limited time, and must show instead of tell. Every one of those changes streamlined the movie and highlighted the essential themes of Herbert, instead of add material that distracts.
That's kind of on Denis for not trusting the audience to understand the dark path that Paul and the Fremen were headed . You didn't need Chani to be that for the audience. As matter of fact, the story already had that in Paul. He knew the path he was leading the Fremen towards and hated it, but chose the path anyway. I believe a more competent director could've shown that and, to be honest, already has. Denis proves that characters are not his strength in filmmaking. His other strengths are so good that you can easily overlook his flaws.
I haven't "missed the mark", you have a difference of opinion.
@@plo617 I disagree.
The movie is already complicated for non-initiates.
Herbert was notoriously peeved that many in HIS audience didn’t get this central point, and he had a 800 page book to set it up…
@@JoeTheUberGeekWell, that was certainly a solid rebuttal to my critique of your critique.
You made some great counter-points. I am convinced 😂
@@MorseAttack Of course, book adaptions are always going to simplify. The problem is that Denis didn't do a good job adapting it properly. And the proof is that there is a much better adaption in the Sci-fi miniseries, in terms of story and characters.
As a book reader I don't mind any of those changes. Cutting out other characters was necessary (it's not 8 season series!) and didn't impact the message.
Chani's arc in the film made perfect sense, she promised him she will love him if he doesn't change, he promises she will always love her (avoiding to promise not to change into fake Messiah) This creates great conflict, because we look at Paul's transition thanks to her criticism - and makes sense within the film.
The biggest change was setting Bene Genserit as the one who forced Imperator to destroy Leto.
Another is cutting out Space Guild, but they will probably come later
They nitpicked the Last Jedi to death, so lets tear into Dune Part Deux !!!
1. Everyone bowed, why does not Irulan at the end, bend the knee?
2. How does Lady Jessica teleport up the dune to kill the Sadukar?
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Give me 1€ everytime fans aren't satisfied by a really complex nearly impossible story book to adapt by nitpicking everything they "wished" to happen. Reminds me when i was DJ. You can throw back the most amazing party of all time but you'll still have "those guys" complaining that i didn't put "their song" lol. Dune is just amazing. Dennis Villeneuve did a marvellous job. Not a failure at all. But interesting to have your pov
If Denis genuinely adapted the book, the entire climax would be a bunch of old men and wizzard witches describing the battle while it's happening off-screen, all the while a 2-year old talks like an adult and wins political arguments with said old men and witches and then kills the 2nd most powerful person in the universe with her own bare hands. The only people who would have liked that would be ME and maybe 5 other people in the world.
Exactly. But again is good to have another perspective and give a "what if" analysis or to explain how it was in books. But it's also a mark of appreciation to not tell that "Dennis failed to adapt the book". I was triggered by this in the video. Other than that it was cool to hear another perspective
@user-ly2ll5od1r I have read the book and I agree, it's an adaptation after all, not a translation. And tbh I feel like the last part of the book was rushed, it could have definitely have taken 300/400 pages instead of 100.
Sometimes the fans are right. i have not read the books but am familiar with the book narrative. It is simply just better than what Denis put to screen. Also, Denis introduced plot holes into the whole story that simply make no freaking sense. Let's not even talk to the romantic relationship between Paul and Chani that makes no sense in the movie. She seems to despise him, is several times racist towards him and does not give any of her support. She walks away from him. SHe is always complaining. It is in such stark contrast to the CHani in the books. It is basically a different character. Why they called her Chani beats me.
@@Alnivol666 Tell me you don't understand Dune without telling me that you don't understand Dune
Frank Herbert is not a good character writer and Chani has less presence in both books of combined 1000 pages than the fucking maid in the first movie who's in the movie for like 2 minutes.
The only thing Chani does in the books is spawn a child and die immediately. I don't even think she even has any real dialogue at all other than repeating "my darling" a few dozen times. But who am I kidding you probably only tolerate female characters when they are exactly that.
I am pretty sure Chani was supporting Paul up until he decided to start a holy war against the whole universe and 'game-end' 100 billion people and completely ruin everyone's lives (including Fremen's) for the upcoming 10 000 years.
I think you are lying about your book knowledge of Dune, buddy...
Also there was no need for you to go on a whole paragraph tangent about how you hate women, I already know that buddy.
Bro as a book reader I agree with all of your gripes. I especially hated Chani after a certain point. But also i must add. They butchered the Harkonens in my eyes. There were BARELY ANY LINES for The Baron the entire movie. They were just a bunch of caricatures. The baron in the books is charming, witty on top of being evil and cruel. There was none of that here. JUSTICE FOR THE HARKONENS! Also barely anything about the Sardokhars... why they're scary, whats special about them.... nothing....
You have a lot of completely valid points!
This movie was awesome, best sci fi since empire strikes back, Denis Villeneuve had to make a movie that would work for the masses, and express the themes in Dune for those who havent read the book. Even Brian Herbert loved it.
LOL Brian Herbert is a sell-out UNLIKE Christopher Tolkien !! Plus his writing suxx
I was watching the other day an adaptation of the _Three Musketeers_ but unfortunately, I couldn't decide if it was good or not because I didn't have the opinion of Alexandre Dumas's son. Do you have any idea ?
Even though I disagree with many of the conclusions of this video I still appreciate hearing the argument from that side. I thought the movie was pretty solid and generally enjoyed it, despite many of the changes pointed out.
I have no idea how DV will reconcile the split with Chani, but she does point out the question that the audience should be asking at that moment. She realizes that they're on the road to ruin and Paul is leading the charge. It feels a little like spoon feeding but I don't blame him for doing that since so many people missed the point of not only the original book but also previous adaptations including part 1. People were still calling Paul a "white savior" instead of 100x worse than Hitler, which is his own opinion of himself in the book. While there are a lot of things left out and changed, the main theme about charismatic leaders is hammered home, for better or worse. It's artistic license but while it's not a direct adaptation in many ways it still stays true to the point of the book and I get why he made a lot of the changes he did.
The Paul reflecting on Hitler is the bitter one after twelve years of jihad. It's the Dune Messiah Paul. Dune's Paul is portrayed as a very decent, very moral person, because the very point of the book is that following a charismatic leader unquestioningly is bad thing EVEN if the said leader is a really decent person.
I fear that the why is the star cast. There was already a complain that Zendaya did not get much screen time in Part One. With a star cast you have to give them enough screen time. In the book Chani does not play an important role, just like Jessica. Yes, they are there at key moments, but they are not an obstacles to Paul. In the film this has changed.
I feel rather disappointed with this adaptation. For example, I also feel that the fremen culture is represented very poorly.
What the Director did, was a love letter to fans of the original book with a few creative choices, to slim it down for a movie premiere and allow it to be digested by new fans, who have not experience the book and who don’t know all the lore, he brings all those new fans into the franchise. I think he did a great job, adapting it, and slimming it down.
Well...he didn't. There are obvious plot holes that people at the moment pretend don't exist because of all of the hype.
I agree, thank you for a great comment.
@@Alnivol666 it’s your opinion vs millions, statistically speaking, you’re wrong. But cheers friend.
@@urgaynknowit Because that is how things work...argumentum ad populum. Go read and learn about it.
A thing being liked by moronic masses does not make that thing quality stuff.
@@Alnivol666 The director took creative liberties to involve new fans into the franchise, I’m sorry that you didn’t like it, but that doesn’t take away from the thousands and thousands upon thousands if not millions of people who can overlook the slight imperfections to see this beautiful gem of a movie. You’re literally gonna sit here and tell me that the musical score from Hans Zimmer didn’t move you? That the aesthetically beautiful locations that differ from planet to planet didn’t strike you? Objectively speaking this was a wonderful presentation of art form, and you’re either blind or deaf.
Film Chani sucks. Forget the deviation from the based, ride-or-die, unconditional book Chani. She sucks because she's a ridiculous character who is simultaneously omnipotent and idiotic, and represents an objective failure in Villeneuve's attempt at adaptation. She somehow magically knows that the prophecy is false, which is already silly for someone in her position, but okay I'll allow it. The problem is what she then claims based on this knowledge.
"The prophecy is how they enslave us!"
Wrong.
The Fremen are not slaves. They're free. That's why they're the Fremen, dumb dumb. Are they also oppressed by the Imperium? Sure, but that's nothing to do with the prophecy, which is explicitly described as being its own independent operation, entirely unrelated to the Imperium's hold over Arrakis at all.
I keep hearing people say, "She's right though." No, she's not. She's objectively incorrect, even by the film's own internal logic. Drastic revision. Poor adaptation. Bad writing.
YOU are actually wrong; the Bene Gesserit are working with the Emporium to slave the Fremen !!! They are essentially "free" to be oppressed just as the American Indians are "free" on their reservations with casinos to siphon their wealth !!! LOL
I love Dune but I have to be honest this film improved upon parts of it and the things it left out I didn't miss. It's a book, it's not a bible. I don't think that any adaptation should be 100% true to the book. I re-read the book immediately after seeing the film and paid close attention to the changes that were made.
I think the way the final battle was led up to in the film was much better in the film than in the book, where it just comes out of nowhere in the book, due to a vision, while Sietch Tabr is attacked offscreen. Having it be a reaction to the destruction of the northern Sietches and Paul's hand being forced into it is much better. There's actually some build up to it in the film. His son is killed in the books offscreen by nameless Sardaukar, literally at the same time Paul is preparing to launch the attack on the Emperor, and the film adaptation somehow was much more impact having it only be random inhabitants of Sietch Tabr that are lost, AND giving us time for that to sink in and for us to root for vengeance in the final battle. The final battle in the film is much better than it was in the book, ESPECIALLY the fight with Feyd-Rautha. In the books there is no sense that Paul could lose or even be hurt; he's given a secret phase to utter that would immobilise Feyd and he decides not to use it, he's that confident in his abilities. Also his appearance at the Fremen council is also much more interesting and impactful in the film, as in the books it's mostly just a scene between him and Stilgar in front of the Fremen of Sietch Tabr.
Chani's relationship with Paul feels more genuine to me; he is against the jihad, so he wouldn't want to be with someone who follows him blindly like the rest of the fanatics; like she's characterised in the books (which book readers have said for years was shallow). Book Chani is attracted to Paul, they flirt with each other, and then she falls in love with him basically at the same time and in the same way that the rest of Sietch Tabr starts to worship him. She's not really any different a character from any of the other Fremen in the book. Why does Paul love her rather than another Fremen woman? There's not really much reason in the book, other than the physical attraction they initially share, and a rather hollow moment they share over both having lost their fathers (which doesn't make a whole lot of sense because we don't see Chani having much of a connection with Liet, and besides the Fremen care about the Sietch above personal relationships, as evidenced by Pauls other wife and adopted children and their feelings, or lack thereof, for Jamis). In the film, Paul loves her because unlike the other Fremen, Chani sees things the same way Paul does; she sees the prophecy as false just like he does. Their relationship is more genuine because she's not just a follower. Unlike the rest of the Fremen who start out as friends and end up being followers (notably Stilgar in the book). It makes sense that she only reluctantly joins the Fremen, in pursuit of their freedom, and not in belief of Paul being the messiah, because due to her closeness to Paul she knows the truth.
Paul's relationship with Chani is the most genuine and truthful one he has - better than Stilgar and the Fremen who follow him and worship him due to a false prophecy and their fanaticism, more than his mother who is manipulating things and who has some allegiance to the Bene Gesserit's plan, more than Gurney Halleck who is driven by getting revenge on the Harkonnens and who treats Paul as royalty.
One thing not talked about in this review is the changes to Lady Jessica, making her more of a clear villain in the film and more fanatical, whereas in the book she serves much the same purpose but it seems more incidental (she even apologises for it in the book) rather than something she's doing knowingly. I think It's a good change though as it makes it more clear what her impact is to the story in the film. I don't mind the changes to Alia either as let's be honest, she's a fucking weird character in the book. I'm more concerned how the changes might impact the sequel, but we'll see.
Stilgar's character is also great in the movie, I think they made up for some of the changes to Chani's character, mainly some of the knowledge she had being a Sayyadina, by making Stilgar the character with more knowledge of the prophecy. I only felt like the relationship between him and Paul didn't really have time to develop as much, and his portrayal by the older and out of shape Javier Bardem meant that he lacked some of the physical strength that he had in the books, which was his main reason for being a leader.
I don't miss Hawat as his storyline really goes nowhere anyways, he dies immediately as soon as he is reunited with Paul, and his plots have very little impact on the story, and their impacts could have been achieved for other reasons by other characters without any noticeable difference. If he had been a POV character in the book it may have been different, but he's not. Literally everything he does in the second half of the book (other than die) is only described by another character, he isn't even present in any scene until the ending.
Count Fenring added some interesting exposition in the book, but it wasn't really missed in the film. His role in the books was mostly to represent the machinations of the emperor and to explain some of the similarities between the Fremen and the Sardaukar, and to reveal the fact that Salusa Secundus was a military training planet and not just a prison, which was a secret in the books but not in the film. His interactions with the Baron in the books were interesting, but not super critical to the story. Also as a nitpick he didn't have his wife sleep with Feyd-Rautha because he was a eunnuch; that was never mentioned to be the reason behind it. Rather his wife was a Bene Gesserit, who like any other bene Gesserit would act in their own interests, so it can be assumed that she did it for the same reason as in the film.
The only thing I really agree with this review on is the characterisation of the Emperor. On the positive side I think we actually see more of him and Irulan in the film than in the book. But we miss out on seeing his decadence and his authority.
Also unrelated to this film, but Duncan Idaho's character was much improved in the first film over the book, his relationship with Paul is much stronger and it made his sacrifice much more impactful.
I totally agree in everything, your point with Hawat is like perfect I have the dame feeling, its cool to see the whole things Hawat did but in the end he just die and everyone forgets about him later.
Other thing they left out is that Hawat and Gurney believe Jessica was the traitor and I agree it would have been cool to see but I feel there is not time because they didn't put that in the first movie so if they do it in the second movie it would not really make sense.
About Chani the first time I saw the movie I was like "no, why they did that with Chani" but the more I see the perspective Villeneuve was trying to with Paul, I totally feel it was the right choice Chani being the person more close to Paul is the one that in the end cant follow him while he is indirectly controling her people to a holy war.
I think these are great points. One change with Hawat that would have mitigated some complaints if he was going to be written out is showing him get killed in part one. Or have Gurney say they lost him in battle when he meets back up in part two. Just so he didn’t disappear the way he did.
@@richardcastillos2896 Honestly I think after seeing David Lynch's adaptation years ago I realised that Chani's character was pretty shallow and uninteresting, and I think that made me much more accepting of this characterisation in Denis' film. I went into it hoping that the relationship wouldn't feel as hollow, but I didn't at all expect changes as drastic as what Denis' did in the film. But I am very happy with the result.
I agree with the Jessica/traitor plot, having it kept in the film would have been interesting as it would have added tension to the reunion with Gurney, but I have to admit it's also just an extraneous plot thread that doesn't really go anywhere. There are literally no consequences at all in the book, Gurney just accepts the truth and they immediately forgive him. It would have been entirely too much setup for only a small moment of tension that is immediately solved with dialogue.
One thing I did wish they had added was the relationship between Stilgar and Gurney - it was only a few sentences in the book but it was still a heartfelt moment, Stilgar feeling jealous of Gurney's relationship with Paul and Gurney respecting Stilgar's prowess, then the two of them showing respect for each other as warriors and bonding.
@@joshdaymusiced Yes I agree, it did seem weird that he just disappeared. I'm guessing they were considering bringing him back for the second film so they left it open-ended in the first film.
@@tb45g That would make sense. Still, a quick mention from Gurney would’ve alleviated things. Make the interaction Hawat had with Paul but it’s with Gurney, Gurney tells Paul about it.
Whatever, it’s not a huge deal. I really enjoyed the film. I’m more than okay with people who didn’t, so long as it isn’t “Chani is a feminist.” That’s rampant right now and it bothers me.
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Chani was betrayed in the movie multiple times. To make it make sense in cinema - you need to showcase the character with a realistic reaction to betrayal and not have her just be okay with it
Did she have to be a teenaged Taylor Swift fangirl too? LOL She was a fremen and NOT a femiNazi hahahaha
@@chasx7062 I don’t know what you mean, she behaved accordingly to betrayal
@@carlosandleonWomen in harsh human conditions do not have the luxury of "betrayal". Have you read the german woman's memoirs on what she had to do to survive in Russian occupied Germany?
Chani, was a Fremen, her job was to produce babies to fight the Hakonnen!! Her Job whether she believed the religious nonesense would be to inspire Paul to fight
@@carlosandleoncensorship again??? Chani doesnt have time for betrayal of the "heart" as a fremen
@@chasx7062 Until she does. Go tell your girlfriend you’re gonna marry your sugar mommy for purely practical reasons. Tell me how it goes.
I agree with you and I would add the criticism that it feels like and looks like an advert. It is pretty but boring.
The only "time constraints" that exist in these films are the ones Denis created for himself when he deliberately made the films with too slow a pace. He was always going to have to cut out the heart and soul of the book and deliver a visual masterpiece that would end up only a little less hollow than the average hollywood fair.
With 6 hours of screentime, the entire book couldve been adapted. Denis was just not the guy for it, is all
All we got were Vignettes of Dune. Pretty to look at, but not much more.
First one was so boring i could barely get through it. So self indulgent and featured too many dreamy shots of Zendaya standing about in a desert for some reason...
Film looks amazing.
It's infantile in literary terms and yet undergoing decomposition under a mature cinematic lens. A game of 'exquisite corpse' that nobody wins.
Are you kidding me? There were too many pointless battle scenes so many that they had to truncate the main battle and abruptly ended the movie
the main battle was well done imo. Not too long. We know what happens. You don’t want to lengthen the fight so much as to make it a cheap action film
@@carlosandleonto me, the guerilla attacks should have been short to highlight a longer main battle, where the Sardukkar were supposed to be elite imperial units.... they all blow over like files, NOT EPIC
@@carlosandleonIT'S like the problem with the fight against the White walkers and the Night King in GRRM's GOT
@@chasx7062 Yea but isn’t that skirmish at the end also very short in the books due to the underestimated prowess of the fremen?
@@carlosandleonTranslating to the big screen, is different to just copying the book verbatim...
I prefer the Fan edit of the original movie
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Hated what they did with Chani, don't like zendayla, the lore is way turned down to appeal to a mass audience, which I can understand.
The Emperor and Sarduakar were barely an inconvenience
I LOVE Spicedriver's edit!
The movie fundamentally breaks the universe. You simply can not have Dune without the Spacing Guild. It is one of the 3 pillars of power in the universe, and the main reason Paul is actually able to unleash the jihad. The harvester attack scene was actually pretty bad... the final confrontation with the Emporer (outside of the fight with Feyd) isn't very good as well. You also can not have the Revered Mother GM ask the Baron not to kill Paul and Jessica, and then in the next movie "reveal" it was them all along, setting up the downfall of the atreidies.... it's absolute nonesense!!!!
Exactly ! In the ending, Paul threatens to nuke spice and the Great Houses still choose not to submit. It took 5 hours of movie just to demonstrate that Dune is not really a vital planet in th eEmpire, and that spice is not that important.
@stefbeg Yup, now I still like the movie a lot, but "the universe" of Dune is my favorite thing of all time. Spice "is" the most valuable substance known to mankind and is the essence that holds everything together.... Killing off a cycle of worms IMHO is better than threating with nukes.... what a great way to lose the army you just gained. Just one flipping scene with a navigator or representative demanding the emperor's intervention on Arrakis... instead of the letter Paul wrote. They broke the world.
Brian Herbert liked it...
@@stefbeg not exactly. Paul threaten the houses to not land on Dune.
The houses refusing to submit is cinematic short cut. Closer to the book, the Spacing Guild would order the houses to return to their homework. Then Paul would have to deal with the houses one at a time.
@@Dularr In the book ? I think that after the battle, Paul doesn't even talk to the Houses, he just orders the Guild to send them back home at once, and the Guild complies.
The fact that the movie ignores the Guild undermines the importance of spice in the setting. I think that most of the audience at that point doesn't realise just how vital sîce is for the functioning of the empire.
I haven't read the book and I would give it a 5 out of 10
Feyd looks like he thinks he's being punked the entire film right up to his death. Not a good villain at all. A cute villian. It was absurd, pointless, colorless, empty, masturbatory, and not at all like everyone has described or the book. I feel like I saw a slightly better shot version of Rebel Moon, which it absolutely was, yet "adapted".. ⭐⭐
Incredibly incorrect take, despite the fact that everyone can have their own opinion, somehow yours is objectively incorrect.
What film did you watch?
As I’m learning more about this interpretation of the book the more I’m realizing just how bad this movie is. Race swapping and removing Chani’s father and dumping Alia all together while planning on making a third movie based on the books she’s a major part of the plot for. This movie is totally crap and while I love a very well filmed movie with world building and great cinematics this movie has over done it because he cut out what’s needed for that building. As to the water of life, they showed it well in 1984 version of drowning the worm.
As I listen this is getting even worse and I will never watch this crap movie, it doesn’t help Sci-Fi channel did it better in less time with less money.
best sci fi movie since empire strikes back
I saw Dune: Part Two at a private studio screening, and it is gratifying to see my father's story told with such great care. When the new movie is combined with Dune: Part One it is by far the best film interpretation of Frank Herbert’s classic novel DUNE that has ever been done - Brian Herbert
worst take i've ever heard, but you do yo man
I saw a comentar that said Dune its a book, not a bible. Not everything in adaptation is gonna be important thing like Chani father in the book was to make Paul and Chani relate in some way because both lost their parents, in the film is more about because they think the same way, both are against the religión of the mesía meaning it dosen't love him for being a chosen one (not saying in the book she love him for that but she is like every other Fremen) .
Plots like Alía still can happend (yeah she killed the Barón in the books that cant happend) but she is protagonist in dune mesía.
And not let pretend the 1984 is the best potrait in Dune in live action, where Paul end up like a heroe and it even rains in Arrakis.
@@richardcastillos2896 The thing is that Paul does end up like a hero at the end of the first book. You don't know what will follow. That is the whole reason Messiah exists. So for all intents and purposes, Paul is mostly a hero at the end of the events of Dune. That is part of the problem. Shoehorning in how much he wants revenge and he does not care for anything else was the ridiculous part. The biggest change is his relationship with Chani. Chani as a character in DV's Dune makes no sense anyway. SUch a disbeliever would have been put back as water long time ago. No need for that sort of negativity with the kind of life the Fremen had. She messes the whole stability of the group.
@@Alnivol666 He end like a heroe but that's not want Frank Herbert wanted he was like "crapp" easily you can stay with the first novel as its also easy to stay just with part 2 of the movie (you can)
the only reason people cheers for Paul is because at least he try to do another way and in comparation with the Harkonen that are sadistics well you know who is better?
Villeneuve did not have to wait to tell part 3 to say Paul is not a heroe like Frank Herbert did. Chani was not the only one that did not believe all stay together because they were Fremen they did also not need a civil war when Harkonen are outside killing any of them. When it was stated that they kill the non believers in the movie and books? (in the books you know it dosen't happend and the close we have is to Kynes that didn't believe Paul after meeting him right away.
The Last Jedi is more Dune than Villeneuve's Dune
You are more an ice-cream cone than a monkey.
Yeahh i totally remember Dune and his plot in the casino and the best strategie ever that was one in a millione chance o wait that is the last jedi
@@richardcastillos2896Didnt you see the great acting from Mark Hamill when he emoted "Its NOT going to go the way you think !! Ben Solo is NOT the Messiah, he s a very naughty boy?"
@@andreazhou5299 Didnt you see the great acting from Mark Hamill when he emoted "Its NOT going to go the way you think !! Ben Solo is NOT the Messiah, he s a very naughty boy?"
@@chasx7062 The thing is Ben learn on how to be a naughty boy because his uncle showed him how to drink green Milk (great acting scene also, very important to the plot)