Can Real Dinosaurs Survive Skull Island?
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- Опубликовано: 25 апр 2024
- Heavy inspiration from @TheVividen @MadlyMesozoic and @unnaturalhistorychannel who I also credit for a lot of the Skull Island images and their 3 hour breakdown of ecology from the book World of Kong
Skull Island-a fantasy island of giant apes, prehistoric monsters and screaming blond women, but what happens when we place real dinosaurs into this nightmarish ecosystem-can they thrive or will they become extinct again? Find out now
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Sources and arguments:
Tyrannosaur group behavior:
peerj.com/articles/11013/
www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jul/23/tyrannosaurs-hunted-packs-tracks-canada
T.rex/Alamo/Quetz environments:
Paleoecology of a late Cretaceous vertebrate community from Montana
Dinosaurs of the Lance Formation in eastern Wyoming
Dinosaur Distribution-Weishampel, D. B.; Barrett, P. M.; Coria, R. A.; Loeuff, J. L.; Xu, X.; Zhao, X.; Sahni, A.; Gomani, E. M. P.; Noto, C. R. (2004).
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3036655/
T.rex bites and battle damage:
www.myfossil.org/featured-fossil-triceratops-vs-tyrannosaurus/
www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02724634.1996.10011297
www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1216534110
T.rex size: www.chicagotribune.com/2019/03/29/scotty-vs-sue-is-the-canadian-t-rex-really-bigger-than-chicagos-the-field-museum-disputes-new-study/
Cope estimates: ruclips.net/video/R7B7X3ggb2A/видео.html
T.rex IQ and senses:
The Rise and Fall of the Dinosaurs. Brusatten, Steve (2018)
www.researchgate.net/publication/256536375
web.archive.org/web/20120929190336/www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/7500/title/Sight_for_Saur_Eyes_%3Ci%3ET._rex%3Ci%3E_vision_was_among_natures_best
ix.cs.uoregon.edu/~kent/paleontology/binocularVision/
www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/t-rex-had-amazing-sense-of-small-genes-reveal-dinosaurs-olfaction
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2660930/
www.jstor.org/stable/4524572?seq=8
T.rex speed: palaeo-electronica.org/2009_3/180/index.html
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6387760/
www.cambridge.org/core/journals/paleobiology/article/abs/analysis-of-hindlimb-muscle-moment-arms-in-tyrannosaurus-rex-using-a-threedimensional-musculoskeletal-computer-model-implications-for-stance-gait-and-speed/30DD414511DEB56D79A5C6281A284320
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/07/170717115657.htm
Quetz weight: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2981443/
Quetz feeding: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2386974/
ruclips.net/video/NmosCtNCJSs/видео.html
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2981443/
archive.org/details/dinosaursofairev0000paul
Mosasaurus speed: ruclips.net/video/Hl6Lj2fAuGM/видео.html
Alamosaurus weight:
www.gspauldino.com/Titanomass.pdf
The First Giant Titanosaurian Sauropod from the Upper Cretaceous of North America
ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2020dffs.book.....M/abstract
www.geol.umd.edu/~tholtz/dinoappendix/appendix.html
www.newmexicoculture.org/release/1503/30
-King Kong movie commentary
Internet Archive has both World of Kong A Natural History of Skull Island and other sources
Powerscaling:
vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DarkDragonMedeus/Kong_Calculations
vsprofilesdebateswiki.quora.com/Respect-Real-Life-Animals
Yes I'm aware V.rex would likely be heavier than its canon mass, but, the specimens were actually weighed according to the book so we're sticking with the canon weight. I also think T.rex's better anatomy, IQ, fighting adaptations, etc will let it take the edge over its descendant.
I also do plan to return to this, the T.rex vs V.rex section just took a lot longer since I had to go pretty in depth.
You put quite the work into this comment.
T. rex on average where actually 10 tons and Scotty was most likely 11tons and sue 10.87 tons •I have picture proof•and and the smallest adult specimens I don’t have anything solid to prove they where not adult but I personally think they weren’t or where •just•reaching skeletal maturity.
@@PREHISTORIC.PRESIDENT. No it wasn't, there have only been 3-4 rex specimen in the 10+ tonne range.
You're pulling the "10 tonnes was average!!!" out of your ass, we have over 30 adult rex specimen and like I said only 3-4 of them reached or surpassed 10 tonnes.
Stan was ~27 years old and still was only 8 tonnes.
I'd like to argue otherwise on the V. rex vs T. rex section.
V. rex was faster, more agile, most likely had a better biteforce, was way more armored, and had more sturdy/robust bones.
In the Skull Island book it was stated that the V. rex was extremely fast and agile for its size, and that's shown in the movie when it first appears.
The book also shows a skeletal diagram and states that a single hit from the tail is enough to shatter bones.
Do take into mind that the ones shown in the movie are inbred.
Great video as always but l have one problem at 6:41 you say that T. rex could end a quetza with one bite and while that is true, it would risk being handicapped for the rest of its life
The quetz scene in Prehistoric Planet is way more about the Tyrannosaurus not be willing to lose an eye for just one meal, it's simply a trade they'd not be willing to make most of the time
Incredible video pookie
You call me pookie Ronnie and you'll be disciplined
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812who is that anyway I’ve heard people reference pookoe but don’t know them
goji omg
Ayo bro zesty
Pookie is crazy 😂
Its really impressive how someone who usually powerscales, is doing more paleo research than BRIGHTSIDE (or other lazy trash) could ever do.
Thank you.....
Well yeah it's what I plan to do in my career
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 You want to be a Paleontologist?
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 go for it :)
T-rex: Stand proud V-rex you are strong.
A male V-rex watch a T-Rex deciding if it's a Challenge to his domain or if it's . . . . .possible to Breed?
@@0predaking0wtb a giga?
@@theboredboy1 a V-Rex on theory for King Kong 2005 it's a direct descendant of the T-Rex, upgrade he got a hip, meaning he can turn around much more easier, and the power of the Jaw is another thing
Why are Trexes so cool? One survived their neck being broken, and a punctured skull, and they’re about as smart as baboons. I didn’t know one of the coolest animals to ever exist could get even cooler
probably my favorite video so far, good job, you should do more of these.
This video is awesome. I really like this type of scenario you made. It was really interesting to watch.
This is pretty cool.
Great work 🔥
Thank you for sourcing you papers. I wish more people would cite their sources, I wanna read these papers too!
This is a really interesting video and I love it 🦖
I really enjoyed this video.. it was eye opening & educational
Great video and topic.
Amazing video man
Great Video, happy to see some Dino power scaling, I have some matchups
1. Carnotaurus (Disney's Dinosaur) vs Carnotaurus (Jurassic World)
2. Momma Rex ( Ice Age 3) vs Rexy
3. Rudy vs Spino(Jp3)
yo
1. Disney Carno would kill easily and quickly JW Carno, because it is wayyyyyy oversized. Completely, see slightly larger, the size of a T-rex, while JW Carno is actually very accurate and close to a normal real-life Carnotaurus in term of size.
As Carnotaurus was a very large abelisaurid (even one of the largest), and, ironically, was around the same size than Disney's Iguanodon !
1. Between Moma T-rex from Ice Age and Rexy from the Jurassic franchise, it definitively Moma rex winning.
Moma rex is HUGE and oversized to a point she could even likely dare to fight Roland Emmerich Zilla, and she's around half the size of most classic Godzilla iterations from the early movies of the latter !
Already, she's gigantic when compared to the woolly mammoths protagonists that are Manny and Ellie.
And Woolly Mammoth in real-life was around 3 meters height at the shoulders (and almost the same size than an actual Asian Elephant).
And Woolly Mammoth is already a tall animal when compared to a human.
A normal T-rex is around 1/4 the size of Moma Rex here....
3. Same results, it's Rudy from Ice Age which win upon Spino from JP3.
Rudy is already slightly larger than Moma Rex, and Spino around the same size than a Jurassic franchise T-rex (and a Jurassic T-rex is the same size than a real-life T-rex).
The JP bullying is crazy
We have scaled the Carnos from Disney’s dinosaur in our server before, and Jurassic park dinos so spoiler alert Disney’s Carno one shots JW Carno.
We have scaled ice age dinos a bit but need to get back to it, Rudy likely wins easily yet Rex vs Rexy might be debatable iirc.
I am suggesting he does more Dino scaling cuz it’s fun lol
i never expected like this video lmao
W video, I’m sick of ppl who downplay dinosaurs
Cool concept
Loved the video
This should be an interesting one
great vid indeed gj
Hell yeah! Peter Jackson’s Kong
Good video
Very interesting idea. I am impressed that old Rex was able to survive. However the famous rivalry between rex and kong would most likely not happen as often like you said.
Mm as usually an amazing video
Nice vid + Whats ur fav dino?
Well technically if the movie of 2005 wasn't about Kong. The poor monkey would have been torn into pieces
A trike without a crest is the most horrifying thing I’ve seen all year
Interesting to see you doing videos on real life animals, not a bad idea to mix it up, I like it
P.S. what diff would Base Ghidorah 2019 (Full Power) beat base Godzilla 2019 (Full power)? Cause I have seen alot of ranges from low diff to high diff so I wanna know your opinion
My personal opinion on King Kong's AP scaling:
While the Small Building level meta for King Kong is the most common and most popular, I'd like to argue that he can even be as strong as Large Building level to City Block level, and this reasoning is based on him being able to both no-sell and overpower the Vastatosaurus Rex's bite force.
When it comes to the general information regarding the V. Rex, it is said to have a bite force ranging from 8 to 9 Tons, which is easily in the Large Building level ranges. However, if you wish to refer to the World of Kong novel - which is canon to the Peter Jackson film - you can get the V. Rex's jaw power up to a whopping 23 Tons.
Not only do we see King Kong survive being bit by one of the V. Rexes in the film or even overpower the last one's jaws, but just as well, all the scars on his body are the result of past battles with these dinosaurs, so him scaling to these Large Building to City Block metas is consistent.
The tons likely refers to tons of force rather then tnt
Still impressive but not city block level
@@ItsButterBean1020 Yeah, I figured someone would bring up the "Tons of TNT" point, hence why I left it out in my comment. Even still, though, King Kong enduring this amount of force would qualify him for those scaling ranges, right?
@@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667 nah tons of force would be far lower, more consistent with the small building ranges
Interesting they would evolve to be apex predators like maybe some carnivores
Interesting
22:05 whatta u do to my boi 😭😭
This was lovely, although a T.rex ambushing Kong is rather improbable given his usual living places are either his cave or the bamboo spot we saw in the movie where a T.rex physically cannot reach. If there was an ambush attack, sure it'd do vast damage if we use lower end calcs for Kong, rip flesh out, and it'd also do no damage if we use higher ends which are a one shot and some more over the calcs you used.
I overall do agree that in a IRL logic scenario, it would be far more interesting.
Problem is we know the Kongs come down to the lowlands to feed.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 that's true, he also feeds on the bamboo patches at the mountain side, and in either case, they might aswell for Ferructus rather than the weird, black, huge thing
Nah kong would eat.
Ur actually really good at paleo scalling. Maybe u shood do Megalodon vs mosasaurus one day. Cause goji center did this STUPIDLY
Unrelated to the video topic but are the novelisations for the monsterverse movies canon?
I'm glad to see more people talk about Peter Jackson's Skull Island. I'm actually working on my own remake of King Kong called Legend of Kong;King of Skull Island.
Where my Skull Island has a wide variety of dinosaurs alongside large bugs. prehistoric mammals brought over by the first generation of natives.
And multiple reptiles from the mesozoic to cenozoic from land and sea, along with 6 species of pterosaurs.
I hope to make this project a visual novel first before making into a 2d animated film.
I think it'd be more realistic to say the natives were actually some form of empire. In every version of skull Island these "tribes" supposedly created massive stone monuments that were similar to Aztec temples.
I think they're history would be something like this.
Ancient empire arrives with extinct creatures*
Said empire starts creating giant monuments*
Some of those extinct creatures escape during that process*
A cataclysmic even happens that splits that empire into several tribes*
Fast forward to the first expedition to skull Island*
Just a suggestion though
@Liam-lx8xb that is actually what happens. They are a bronze age civilization that arrived to the island 5500 bce. However, they moved their surviving civilization 500 years later as they were a South Asian atlantis. They originally lived on a landmass that was home to prehistoric mammals and where the Kongs originated from.
They have formed a very close relationship as the natives provide caretakers. Women who are trained to heal, care, and assist with maintaining the Kongs and keeping the 2 species in a mutual relationship.
However, when the Landmass began to sink, they rapidly took as many animals, artifacts, people, and more with them to Skull Island. They had set up outpost and mining towns on the 2 sister islands of Skull island to mine bronze and expand their territory.
It is here where they made a great project of building the great wall and cities along the coastline.
The city where Ann is given to Kong is the first city built on the island and the capital of the civilization. Each city has their own Kong troop and focus heavily on one of the gods in their pantheon. With the Kongs in similar positions as Zeus.
Upon the 3 thousand years of construction of the cities and first great wall, the civilization began to construct a 2nd wall beyond the first. While the 1st wall had their delays from the wildlife, the second one, however, would be constantly attacked and breached.
This would heavily affect the Kongs, bringing down their population.
Even the major floods that occur on the island broke the 2nd wall.
It was in the 16th century ce that the construction of the second wall would be severaly damaged, causing it to be abandoned.
Those close to the first wall were spared, but those who were not either died by wildlife, famine, or disease or were assimilated into the exiles. The descendants of law breakers and traitors who were able to survive the Jungles of Skull Island.
With the arrival of the Western world, the Skull island future has changed forever
@@colonelhammerhead3025 Badass. I don't think they'd have Kongs directly as a god though. More like a sacred animal closely tied to that god. Like how the Egyptians would occasionally capture crocodiles and care for them because they had a goddess with the head of a croc.They also would bling the crocs out with golden jewelry in case you want a cool looking drawing of a Kong.
@Liam-lx8xb demi gods would be the better term. Also, the Exiled have a split off branch from the original pantheon. Where they view the residers(the natives behind the great wall) as enemies and any associated with them are seen as the same.
And the Exiled mostlh use weapons and tools out of flint and bone with their warchiefs using bronze.
They show up and fight Kong, Ann, and the crew in several scenes before the final battle on Skull Island.
Where the wall is laid siege by a Exiled warchief and his warband who after Kong saved Ann from their fortress saw it as a sign to attack once more.
Good video, didn’t know that real life animals and dinosaurs were that strong. Also who would win in a fight, woolly mammoth or tyrannosaurus? Both are healthy and of average size.
T.rex with ease.
T-rex.
Elephants, whatever the family within Elephantimorpha, actually are poorly adapted to fight equally size predators.
As their tusks are actually poor weapons, as they don't use them usually against predators but between each others, in intraspecific relationships.
Mammoth's tusks are even worse than the straight up ones of Modern Elephants or Gomphoteres, because they are curved in a way it cannot be used as an efficient piercing weapon to use against the theropod vulnerables parts.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Sorry to be that guy, but what about Palaeoloxodon Namadicus?
@@chasehodgmo5537 T.rex with a difficult fight. The weight difference is 7 tons, but as has been documented and filmed many times, lions of lesser mass can bring down elephants much larger than themselves. T.rex was a big game hunter built to take down giants. Triceratops had a more robust ribcage and legs than the giant elephant and we know T.rex did successfully kill healthy adults and probably even decapitate them.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Thanks for clearing that up considering the amount of people that say Palaeoloxodon wins, although i do agree it would be a difficult fight
cool video well i think Dinosaurs that could Survive Skull Island like Megaraptorans Carcharodontosaurids Abelisaurids Spinosaurids Ornithomimids Deinocheirids Iguanodontids Lambeosaurinae deinosuchus and etc
Also a Cenozoic one would be cool, like Barinasuchus vs paraentelodon
Or Dentaneosuchus vs short faced bear
And Megistotherium vs Amphicyon ingens
Indeed
Something new i see
Indeed
I never knew you liked Dinosaurs and Animals like me.
Can't believe someone actually used one of my old calcs in RUclips video. I am certainly not complaining though LOL
Which did you make?
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 The RL Animal Calcs. It's been years, I almost forgot about them. I REALLY should update the old stuff someday.
Although I am having trouble finding a new platform where people could see my work.
@@sobekapep8320 Interesting. What would change about them?
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Well, double check if they still hold, first.
Secondly, divide it all into smaller posts based on the feat type, rather than a giant thread. Maybe I can gather it all in an index later on, it'll be less messy that way.
I would make the ones that require data on the animal's weight and size based on an average individual, with a few exceptions, such as elephants and whales.
I would search for more on-screen feats I could calc and existing measurements that I can translate into joules, such as an Ankylosaurus' tail strike.
...etc.
I have a question, can you make an video about these battles
4. Giganotosaurus vs Giganotosaurus (ARK vs Dino Crisis)
3. Rhedosaurus vs Godzillasaurus (The beast of 20,000 fathoms vs Godzilla Minus One)
2. Tyranitar vs Humungousaur (Pokemon vs Ben 10)
1. Terry vs Deviljho (Dinosaur King vs Monster Hunter)
4. Ark Giga it’s not even close, a closer fight would be the Giga from Dino Crisis vs Hypo Giga from The Isle. Which I’ve suggested to him as we’ve worked together scaling all three Dino verses.
3. Idk I do not scale the first one and need to rewatch the movie in full. He likely knows tho and maybe he will do it, I’ll run it by him.
2. Depends on the Tyranitar being used and what media it varies with the scaling a lot tho I would say Humungousar more times than not tho Gkotm does not scale either.
1. Terry it’s not even close, he’s got multiversal scaling vs a country to multi continental Pickle Rex, Terry could have another match up more fair maybe I’ll have I think about it.
Do a monster hunter vs monsterverse skull island video
I’d like to see Thai with the second most known skull island monsterverse
Imagine what will happen to Kong if the irl t Rex bit his neck.
I think vastatosaurus would win most encounters with tyrannosaurus, it is around the same weight, though probably averaged higher since it's 8-10 while most rexes are 8-9 tons. It's taller so it has the higher chance of getting a good hit on the skull, and though its bite may not be as strong, it's much more agile and a lot faster. Also tyrannosaurus' teeth are not sharp, quite the opposite actually, so a chunk being ripped out of Kong is a little over exaggerated, though its bite would absolutely destroy any skin or muscle tissue
hey gkotm when will you come out with the sequal of this video?
In time
Wouldn't Edmontosaurus also have a pretty good shot at surviving the ecology? If we assume the almost Shantungosaurus-sized individuals were rare even at its commonly excepted base-size it was heavier than Tyrannosaurus thus much larger than the native Ligocristus.
Indeed it would. And it'll be covered in part 2
I'm Surprised You Said Peter Jackson Skulls Island Was The Most Popular And Not Monsterverse Skulls Island.
Alamosaurus lived in New, Mexico, Wyoming, Texas, and Utah, but it did not lived in the hell creek formation in north, Dakota, South Dakota, or Montana
I was quite surprised about the T rex vs V rex part since it’s like quite difficult to see a 7m tall and 18 metric tons dinosaur being defeated by something that is 2 times smaller
Also giving the square cube law and using sue. The V rex would have been around 6m tall, which make it more possible for t rex to win 💀
Definitely not the monsterverse skull island
Real life trex will manage just fine. 70% bigger than originally thought. Trex could take out a vrex low dif. Maybe even kong if he isn't equipped with plot armour. Trex would be the top dog on skull Island
Do you do irl animal fights ?
Cuz i have some questions
I know them
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812
Sorry for the late reply :/
Anyway
1. Tiger vs lion
(Max sizes)
2. Tiger vs lion
(Equal sizes)
3. Great white
(6.5m, 2.5 tonnes)
Vs
Saltie
(7m, 1.7 tonnes)
a. In deep water
b. In shallow water
4. Bengal tiger vs southern african lion
(Average sizes)
And their diffs 👍
Bro should make a video of vrex in the cretaceous era
great video but...who was the next survivor was it tricerotops? or....something...else?
Yes
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 oh my God it actually is Triceratops, I can't wait to see him😄.. to see what he can do😈
Ah i love a good survival video
Indeed.
I would like to tell you before you do your next video on Skull Island that Edmontosaurus is easily seen by most people as fodder for predators, so please don't do that as they should not be placed as an easy meal as they should be capable of fighting back and are as large as Tyrannosaurus rex.
❤
Could you do a video on if ark creatures could survive the 2005 skull island don't include the giga, carchar or any genusis creatures
I scale Ark and so does our friend AllFather, we’ve talked about it to Gkotm so he might make videos on it eventually, I’ll slide this idea to him.
Ark Rex would one shot a V-Rex btw
What about the bug pit
can you powerscale the ingen spinosaurus?
great vid very interesting but also lets be real the goji center method is better than power scaling the normal way
Bruhatakyasaurus and Argent could stomp these out
Where do the Jurassic World big 4 scale?
Im have a Random question, does these 5D Scalings of Hax for Godzilla Legendary right?
No
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Thanks God my friend think Godzilla Legendary is Low Complex Multiversal
So, recently, I found out about a statemwnt in the gvk japanese theater guide which states mechagodzillas photon beam has 100 billion times the known universes energy. After seeing that, i just can't take things like this seriously anymore. I've always been one to say versions like heisei beat legendary hands down, but man, i guess i was wrong rip.
The 100 billion times was an error. It’s only 2,000x Godzilla’s beam
@HeiseiGodzillaSolosWFax Trust me, I think it's ludicrous. But I haven't seen any actual sources calling it incorrect. I've seen a few RUclips comments claiming it's a mistranslation, but again, I haven't seen any actual evidence for that. Also, it shouldn't even be possible considering it's a number. If you know who said this tho let me know.
I absolutely love how Japanese statements turn everything into universal threats, i love it and it's absolutely amazing.
You forgot Deinosuchus With upward of 15 meters
It didn't live in the Hell Creek Formation
@@khushanksolanki9190 it did
Can an anjanath survive the skull island ?
How good would he fare against vrexs and kong ?
I actually think the Anjanath would do fairly well. In fact, it would likely make short work of the V. Rexes due to being faster, more agile, and being able to breathe fire due to it being a wyvern. It's basically a T. Rex with the abilities of a dragon.
@@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667Yea they can get upto 20m long
The vastasurus and the tyrannosaurus could probably breed and make a hybrid
I don’t really see much of skull island in Peter Jackson
king pookie I just gooned
Love calling out a certain... youtube channel
This debate depends on which version of Skull Island we’re talking about. If we’re talking about Peter Jackon’s version of Skull Island or even the original version of Skull Island then it could certainly be possible for real life dinosaurs to survive on those versions of Skull Island. On the other hand if we’re talking about the Monsterverse’s version of Skull Island then it’s absolutely a big fat no.
I literally stated it was Peter Jackson's, it's on the thumbnail, and pretty directly refer to its material
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 I’m fully aware, just giving other perspectives.
I disagree on the counterpoint about Prehistoric Planet. There's plenty of videos of smaller scavengers scaring off larger predators off of kills.(Ex. Vultures v lions) In the Quetz's case, the T Rex takes it seriously because it's taller, it's being aggressive, and it has a huge sharp spear for a face. The Quetzes were pretty able to strike at it farther than it could reach them. To top it off, the Rex didn't even give the meal up, it waited until they left and finished it off. Obv the Rex could have killed them, in theory, but it simply thought it wasn't worth the risk of getting hurt.
That LITERALLY never happens. A single lion chases off entire groups of vultures, marabou storks, jackals and even hyenas of certain numbers.
Considering the nonsense T.rex took and walked off the beak of a Quetz is the least of its worries. There is no reason for the T.rex to take it seriously.
@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 If it was struck in the eye, or it hit a major artery, it would be a detriment to its survival. I'm not saying a rex would never chase off quetz. In the millions of years that both of them had lived together, a huge variety of interactions would have happened. A lot of times rexes would've ambushed and killed quetzes instantly, but in others quetzes would have stabbed rexes in vulnerable areas, possibly leading to their death.
As for lions, I couldn't find the video I was refencing so I'll concede that animal specifically. But you can still look at similar interactions. Groups of cheetahs being scared off by vultures(admittedly less impressive than lions, but cheetahs are still stronger and should win the fight easily). There's also geese chasing off tigers, a silverback gorilla, and standing its ground in front of a cow. Cats are known to be ballsy too, slapping gators to make them go back in the water. These are instances I remember seeing on youtube, but there's pry more examples. These are animals that pose no actual threat to the bigger ones. Compare that to quetz, which could inflict way more damage. At the end of the day, weaker animals can win an exchange by just convincing the other that they're too much of a threat. Not saying it's that common of an occurence, more often than not these animals get their bluff called and packed up. It just depends on the animal being challenged and the circumstances.
Great video but I'd like to point out that V-rex was 50+ feet long, 20 feet tall, and weighed about 16-18 tons, and brontosaurus baxterii was most likely around 60 or more tons
V.rex is 8-10. UP to 50 feet long. Nowhere near 20 feet tall.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 its way more than 10 tons, and definitely up to 20 feet tall of it was a non inbred bull, though if you dont believe that it's up to you, i dont feel like arguing
@@pixeldinoeditz No it's not. And no, it's not. I used actual sources of information.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 aight bro whatever you say
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Hey guys can someone post a timestamp to see if those...fucking worms show up...im too scared to watch the video because im nervous those worms will show up.....
How well would a real T. Rex do against Giga, Indom, Rexy, and Spino from JP/JW?
Hmmmm
T. rex could almost certainly kill a Kong in a fair fight. Faster sprinting speed does not mean better agility, and T. rex are calculated to have been extremely agile in close quarters combat (they killed the very dexterous and powerful Triceratops regularly). It’s a 50/50 matchup bc Kong is certainly capable of holding his own, but I’d be willing to die on the hill that T. rex is actually more agile in combat than a V. rex.
V. rex is literally just a tyrannosaurus that evolved to be more agile in combat, missing ribs to allow it to contort its body in ways that are physically impossible for a T.rex.
It's T.rex min-maxed, canonically.
@@lukeari9890 on-paper V. Rex should be better than a T. rex in every way- but that’s what this video was saying, namely, that the actual on-screen feats for V. Rex make it a lot weaker than the creative team’s statements suggest.
@@Mil_Spec_Spartan_ And that's why powerscaling is kind of borked; you always end up with writing decisions or outdated information overruling logical consistency. No hate on the video, obviously, but logically a specially adapted T.rex should outcompete a vanilla T.rex: if it doesn't, then it's a writing flaw, not a creature design flaw.
@@Mil_Spec_Spartan_Well to be fair he was talking about the inbred V Rexes, I think a prime V Rex could win.
Yeah until the island sinks, but fast breeding ones need to be the ones to make it.
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I dont think alamosaurus will have enough population to survive long term. Being inbred and sickly might finish them off. Being rare is the best they could hope for.
Argentinosaurus clears skull island
Im not sure
How good will a vrex fare against the trex if we use non canon weights for them like 18 to 20 tons ?
From what i heard, v rex weighs over 20 tons and had a bite of about the same as it's weight
Any actual confirmation of this being false and where it came from?
The V rex bite was stated to be around 2 times weaker than their own weight
@@Louislemairias how much do they actually weigh and where can I find this
@@Mr.Wetherilli about 18 metric tons, 20 tons and 18 metric tons are the same
@@Louislemairias what was kotm talking about then? Because he stated that v rex is 10 tons
@@Mr.Wetherillibut apparently the 10 tons is the canon version, 18 metric tons is what should be the weight of a vastatosaurus rex
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The original was far better then that skull island movie/series
I agree the 2005 film is garbage compared to the 1933 original
Actually I 2005 is better then 2017
@@canonbehenna612 actually you said the original which took place on skull island but until you learn that learn the difference between original and remake also kong > the entire verse and you still don’t know what you are saying because you said tv show/movie
Only Thing To Talk About Is You Downplaying The Speed And Agile Of T Rex, To Be Fair T Rex Didn't Run At Like 71 MPH Per Hour It Can Only Run To 21 Or 23 MPH, And Study Suggest That T Rex Is Very Agile, The Previous Estimate On T Rex's Speed Are Outdated,
(This Comment Doesn't Sand Any Hate To You Just Need To Please Understand).
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The almosairus would cause a extinction event. On skull island cause almosairus because Of being big need lot of food and evanntully there will be no.Plant food for herbivore then the herbivores die out. Then carnivores die out cause there are no herbivores to eat
Well if it could survive in drier regions it might not have been as gluttonous as other sauropods
They would be able to survive v.rex cuz v.rex is featless fodder
There not that featless, they can fight a kong whos building level or something
The only issue i see is that the v rex is likely 15 to 16 tons and is far more flexible than the t rex. The t rex is almost definitely smarter from what we know and what we see in film. 2 you dont seem to adress how dense the actual habitats of skull island are the only reason pihranadon cannreach 50 feet is it eel like slim body. In this dense habitat the mosa wouldn't be able to use its speed and would get stuck but young could live in the swamps. Other than thease things i agree for the most part
Unfortunately since V.rex were killed and studied their canon weight is what they weigh, end of story. The mosasaur is also large enough to force its way through the dense swamp.
15:23 these T-Rex fanboys are getting ridiculous at this point
Explain
You sound like paleontologist for no reason
It’s actually debunk the Tyrannosaurus is not smart as a primate, just smarter or smart as a crocodilian since I’ve had a Crocodile like brain
the irl animal calcs are wrong, not talking about multipliers, just the sheer calc is wrong, there is too big of a gap in terms of skeletal resistance between V.rexes and T.rexes to give T.rexes a win. They will outcompete the V.rexes out of just being more succesful and covering a different niche, but they would not beat them head on
We've been over this and why T.rex would be superior and have a vastly more devastating bite. And unlike T.rex, V.rex kinda sucks at resisting bites.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812 Sure their jaw shape is terrible, but that doesn't take away the brute force, speed and striking strength gap
NO
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1) You should have labelled/written the dinosaurs in the title and thumbnail/title screen of the video as "Normal Dinosaurs" instead of "Real Dinosaurs". Because the Skull Island dinosaurs and cie are true dinosaurs but not Prehistoric species from the Mesozoic, instead entirely fictive ones which have descended from the latters.
They are true dinosaurs but have evolved in a way very differents and a point that made them very apart/derived from the ones, said "typical", that we are used to from the Mesozoic.
2) I think none real-life normal genera or species of dinosaurs and cie, and entirely accurate scientifically as we know them today, would survived and established on Skull Island.
The local denizen species are way too evolved, better adapted and superior in many ways than normal typical dinos as we know.
Skull Island dinosaurs have evolved to be resilients and adapted to almost everything typical dinos aren't.
Such being physically resilient and tough to survive important and high injuries, bites, falls into the ground or hits from others dinos or from the landscape (better to remember that Skull Island have a uneven and unstable ground, with end up with plenty of cliffs, hills and moutains).
Most Skull Island dinosaurs are twice see third more robust, strong and thicker than their ancestors.
And while they can face and received with ease and few injuries several hits or impact from others species or accident within the landscape, typical dinosaurs wouldn't and almost all would die at the first high injuries or the first fall into the ground.
Especially the large species.
(Because like elephants, a Sauropod or T-rex falling into the ground by accident would result with almost most of their bones being broken and crushed due to the impact with their body in contact with the ground, made worse due to their heavy weight).
In comparison to Skull Island species, typical dinosaur are very, very fragile in constitution...
Aside all that, it was a good video. 👍🙃
1. This is really, really stupid, because Skull Island is fictional.
2. None of this holds up to actual analysis, of the film or any of its supporting material. V.rex is slimmer in the chest and stomach, with big feet but other than that, it's a physical downgrade to T.rex in every way. The Skull Island species are a lot more fragile than you're pretending they are.
@@godzillakingofthemonsters5812The movie and official expanded book made great emphasis and established strongly that Skull Island is a very condensed, dense and unstable ground/terrain (not only mentionning that the island in question is rather small, way more that it was once used to be) and making the ecosystem very competitive in almost everything.
Forcing all of its inhabitants to evolved, adapt and reinforce/consolidate themselves to very high extremes.
To be able to handle all the hard pressures they face permanently and move within this very dangerous, deadly and trickery landscape, both from the others species and the terrain.
Skull Island dinosaurs aren't more fragile than real-life/normal ones, even demonstrated as slightly to highly more resistant to most things.
The Vastasaurus rex is completely shown onscreen to be ridiculousely resilient and resistant, and we all see it facing and receiving clearly and obviousely powerfull hits, falls and impacts from both Kong and the ground several times during a single but long fight that take around 10 good minutes, and each of the three specimens involved individually.
With T-rex, the fight would have being ridiculousely short, less than 20-30 secondes.
As one or two hits of Kong would have been enough to break bones of their head, neck, or ribs, and/or destabilize them enough to likely fall on the ground.
And a normal T-rex wouldn't survived a single fall into the ground, because it's bones would break at impact with the ground, reinforced by its own heavy weight.
It would likely not die at the moment directly, most of the time, but made it unable to continue the fight and in a very vulnerable position, enough for Kong or a Vastasaurus to finish it.
If Elephants die directly or not long after falling into the ground in real-life, with very rares instances of survival, so a T-rex, larger and heavier would have much chances.
While Vastasaurus have evolved in a way to face these problems.
How it even possible, I don't know, but it's still manage to do it.
Plus, given T-rex was more likely social when young, that mean if with adults T-rex, it would be one single T-rex against Kong, which could easily win upon the T-rex in a 1v1. Either if it's younger T-rex, the three T-rex would be smaller and less developped and robust , enough that Kong could kill them with powerfull hits more easily and quickly than with an adult.
It's not the sole example, the Skull Island Brontosaurus manage, we don't know, to survived impact with the ground at a fast speed, as scene in the movie.
It's not known if the herd at the end of the sequence survive after the accident, but with normal sauropod of the same size, all should have died directly and no more moving, instead of surviving for at least some additional minutes.
Because the sauropods would break their bones with the ground like T-Rex upper, especially the ones of their neck, here being crushed as hell, and die instantly without pain.
Breaking the neck of a animal made it die directly, without pain.
So, a normal Sauropod which the neck is more than exposed and subject to break if falling with the ground wouldn't survive at all such same accident we see in the movie.
Aside all that, it's also worth noting that your video, as it is about what would happen if normal dinos were on Skull Island and how would they face the local residents, imply that these normal dinosaurs species are introduced on it while there already before them the local residents.
Already it's a problem, because as I said it upper, Skull Island is already a very competitive ecosystem, and obviousely all the niches possible already filled.
Most introduced, if all, normal dinosaurs wouldn't be able to insert themselves, outcompete the local residents and establish on the island.
In addition they would completely unused and adapted to the local landscape.
And not having the needed behaviors to avoid problems from the landscape and residents specie, which them have co-evolved with the landscape and between them for around 66-65 mya.
Skull Island as a setting is completely unlike all known biomes, habitats and formations from the fossils records.
Some species of normal dinos could survived and last on the short term, but unlikely on the long term and able to outcompete and replace th already present species.
Of course, all that is just my opinion.