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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- This clip is from the TV series Babylon V, season 4, episode 18 - "Intersections in Real Time". While watching the show, I could not help but think about the events we have happening in our time. Secret prisoner holding cells, indefinite imprisonment without trial and torture. All in the name of liberty.
Lady Liberty must be crying.
What happens to Sheridan in this episode is fucked up, but that’s why it’s stayed with me for so many years. When this aired in 1997 I was 15 years old and Mom had just met my future stepdad... I barely knew him and I could tell he was a control freak and not good for our family. This episode put everything in perspective and made me realize I would always stick up for myself against him even though I was just a tiny teenage girl and he was a huge beast of a man. Some People say fiction inspires people negatively but I’ve never had that... it’s only ever inspired me in positive ways. Sheridan might be a rarity, maybe even the strongest of us can’t be strong all the time, but I love that he anchors himself to his beliefs no matter what they do. He’s a very admirable character.
Agreed... and we see around us examples of those who stand their ground and those who sway with the wind. Sheridan is a great role model.
Glad you were inspired! So what became of your step-dad?
@@DrownedInExile He got liver cancer and died in 2012. Even without the cancer I think he was doomed because he never took care of his Type 2 diabetes at all, he also developed heart and kidney problems a few years before he died. He was a very unhealthy person mentally and physically, and while I didn't like the man I guess maybe I do forgive him in the end.
@@thesilvershining That’s very admirable. I hope you’re living a good life, despite his actions.
You are exactly right about how inspiring this actually is. As a staunch individualist, watching Sheridan refuse to bend to the false reality being imposed on him makes me really emotional even thinking about it. I’m glad you were able to find solace in what can be a soul crushing episode, yet still idly inspiring in other ways.
"I win, every time I say "No".
Agree 100 percent. " No. "
Every time I have watched this amazing episode, I often wonder how I would hold up under such torture.
Probably not very well.
Nor I. I hope I never have to put it to the test.
Depends... Are you a trained military man, faced with something that is so against his morals that death is a rather acceptable alternative?
I might, but only because I tend to lack a sense of self preservation as a result of long term depression.
I would probably die very early in the process, or at the very least force my torturer to go to great lengths to keep me alive
Then it is time to start strengthening yourself. There is nothing wrong with praying you will never face such a terrible experience, but if your mind and your body are prepared, you will not be easily broken. And even if you never face something so horrible, you will find that you have the courage to face _ordinary_ life with conviction and kindness.
It helps if you know for sure that they can't hurt you too badly if they want you to publicly confess and also if you know that a fleet of ships and the resistance are all coming to rescue you.
That interrogator carried this scene with such strength. The roaring diatribe he gave at the end chills my blood every time I hear it.
Not anymore- not since 2014. No fear whatsoever. Just loathing and utter contempt.
I'm Ukrainian- we're immune.
@@tatianalyulkin410 Is this a bot account? What does this have to do with the video?
"But, can you win?"
"Every time that I say, 'No'."
WOW! It must be the greatest, most satisfying, most delicious experience when actors together in a scene are both on fire, totally immersed, with GREAT dialogue, making the scene snap and flash with power. WOW!
Bruce and the guy that played the interrogator should have gotten Emmy nominations for this episode.
They were also saying that the truth is subjective, open to interpretation, All it takes is one person to draw a line in the sand when it betrays our conscience and say "No", thats what sheriden did when the interogator kept asking to say yes to a downfall of a society, and total loss of self, and he retorted No. Sheriden said that its all on the outside, its flesh as long as you don't break inside they can't win. For they wanted him to go along with their side that was wrong and he said no!
Parallels to 1984. Sheridan was stronger since he had the training and military experience so he wouldn't crack.
Ra-Hoor-Khuit
Hoor-Par-Kraat
#AbrAhAdAbrA
You will cooperate with the state for the good of the state and your own survival. You will confess to the crimes of which you have been accused. Resistance will be punished; cooperation will be rewarded.
And you, Herr Interrogator, can go jump in the river. 🤣
One of my favorite episodes. Far superior to the “there are 4 lights” TNG counter part
Agree. Some prefer the TNG episode because Picard breaks, it's more realistic, but Picard is lost with no hope of rescue and nothing to prevent brutal treatment, whereas Sheridan knows where he is, knows that the resistance and his fleet are on the way and knows they won't really hurt him because they want him to publicly confess.
@grahamchandler48 I think Sheridan was just "built different" than Picard. Star Fleet isn't a military fleet. Where Sheridan has fought in the Earth/Minbari war and has been tortured before. He is in a totally different league than Picard. It's comparing a warhammer to a fine rapier, lol.
"There. Are. Four. Lights!"
"There are Five Lights, not Four."
Oi...vey
You dont see any lights.
Sheep never do.
As good as the episode was, I really think Babylon 5 did it better. The manipulation, the constant jerking around, the facades and deception were all so much more complete and alarming.
That's one of the best episodes from a sci=fi series !
NO YOU HAVE NO RIGHT
NO COURTROOM
NO ATTORNEYS
NO TRIBUNAL
NO JUSTICE
NO MERCY
NO FAIRNESS...
NO HOPE...
Sounds like present day UK law.
@@MegaBoilermaker I want to disagree, but then I think, Oh.
You guys forgot US and Guantanamo
@@MegaBoilermaker Careful they can lock you up for social media posts now! At least in the UK...but you will get off if you beat up a grandmother.
This scene taught me EVERYTHING about Modern Torture/Interrogation Practice. It is VERY REALISTIC.
Revisiting this brought to mind another comparison, from a more recent movie. The heart of the evil in this is the acceptance of evil actions because they are required and approved by the organization.
I recently re-watched Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and, again, found myself shocked by the casual acceptance of procedure as good in the scene where the custodians casually, smilingly removed the memories from Tina's mind in preparation for killing her. The fact that such a facility existed is chilling.
Yet, people do equivalent things "in the name of good" all the time. Power corrupts. Small submissions to evil lead to larger submissions.
The end never justifies the means.
@@saberiandream316 Christ said “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you." Luke 6:27-28 -- Not much wiggle room for "the ends justify the means".
@@saberiandream316 I understand and agree with you. I also recognize the hypocrisy that seems to be buried in the actions of people in many "well-meaning" organizations. That is where people like Jesus and Commander Sinclair come it. They set examples for us to live by. Just as others, such as Jack the Ripper, set examples of how not to live.
As for Heaven vs Hell -- since its foundation, the Christian Church has had an internal debate about what happens, which led to the concept of Purgatory. -- I suspect we won't/can't understand fully until it is our turn to leave on that journey.
Back to Babylon 5 -- There are many other moral dilemmas explored in that series, making it hard to digest in one serving. I just finished my third review of the entire series... and loved it as much as the first time.
"You've been interrogated before?"
"Yes"
"Anyone I know?"
"Oh You'd be surprise."
lol that is true oh and in cases anyone didnt understand that one bit he was tortured by Jack The Ripper long time ago
Sebastian.
I would love to see the scene when Sheridan is freed - and takes an ammo clip's time to say his goodbyes to the interogator.
I think he emptied the clip into one of the guards who was particularly sadistic -- probably the one who stomped him when he was first brought in.
Sorry, he was slightly upset so he forgot that famous saying about revenge. Oh, well, collateral damage.
That he did!
A great display of characters, confessions now. Sign now sir. John.
The Drazi was part of the act. The point is that there is never an end to the torture. They will never give up on breaking him. Everything he sees, hears or eats while in prison is potentially a trap or a way to trick him. And if one torturer fails, they'll simply move him on to the next one, and then the next, and then the next, and then the next, until Sheridan finally gives up or can't take any more.
Damn you, Garabaldi.
Michael saved him with the Mars resitence, with lyta and dr franklin, they posed as "unnofficial" interogators , the guards knew Michael turned him in so they let him in not realizing that Garibaldi was free of bester's influence that made him betray sheridan so he got them through to the resistence then back to the fleet
"You've been interrogated before..."
"Yes"
"Anyone I know?"
"You'd be surprised"
I doubt this interrogator has ever met Jack the Ripper :)
It's interesting how he says that telling his dad is alive is genuine whereas everything he says as a purpose
how do ya know its genuine? might be a calculated tactic. this torture is all mind games after all
@@xhesarve7109 my point exactly. He's not being genuine at all.
@@erin_3569 i misread your comment, my bad
@@xhesarve7109 No problem. :)
It happens
The key is in the last declaration at the end of the video.
torture guys a really good but unfortunately unsung actor
Meerloo the Grape of the Mind
An Amazing episode from a truly epic 5 Season story arc. Babylon 5 is the GOLD STANDARD of sci-fi.
OMG, I'm looking at Sheridan and seeing Rokossovsky or Tukhachevsky! Bravo, JMS! Bravissimo!
2:55 The moment you know you've won, because you've rattled the interrogator. Best to end that session with a 'chuckle.'
I like to imagine a short story scenario, where President Sheridan has the rangers do a top secret mission: "rendition" this interrogator off to some backwater barely-habitable planet. Sheridan personally confronts him. He's scared shitless, screaming that he has rights.
Sheridan silences him, and remarks, "You once said we were all expandable. That's more true of you than ever, and worse. You are inconvenient. You are someone Earthdome would love to forget ever existed. They can't risk embarrassment by putting you on trial. But if you were to quietly disappear, no one would care, no one would question. And that brings you to me. I can't put you on trial either. The ISA can't afford the political blowback. But I can't let you escape consequences for your actions either. So, I do the only convenient thing I can do.
Every government throughout history has had its gulags. Secret prisons. I was a guest in yours. Now you are a guest of mine. I always thought the ISA would be different, but appears I was wrong. This planet is uninhabited and remote. There is no water or anything remotely edible for miles. Your only escape is death. But please accept this gift. (Sheridan drops a box on the ground). The gift of choice. Goodbye Mr. Interrogator."
With that, Sheridan boards his shuttle and leaves for good. The Interrogator cautiously opens the box. In it he finds a bottle of whiskey, a presumably-poisoned corned beef sandwich, and the "choice": a PPG pistol with a single charge.
He would’ve but Delean would have went after the intergater to get revenge for John.And she do it behind his back. But this would have been a cool episode if they have had met again when Sheridan became president
Don't do this to me- too delicious to contemplate!
Beste Serie. Babylon 5. Best story
That was a cool episode in a super-cool series.
I honestly wonder if the writers took any inspiration from a similar scene in Orwell's 1984.
Everything going on with the Earth Alliance was inspired by real life events but the main reference to 1984 in B5 is the 'ministry of peace' which was established in season 2 and had the Nightwatch.
No. JMS is Russian so I would say Stalin's Great Terror of 1937- 41. I don't see Sheridan- I see Marshal Rokossovsky.
@@tatianalyulkin410 Funny that you say that as when JMS was asked about if this was inspired by Nazi germany he said "no need to look that far..just look at the McCarthy witch hunt"
Oh, how typical and predictable. They're also so concerned about our family members. Such kind and gentle souls!
this kind of person as evil, as casually and as easily as he tortures the person to twist them to rip aside their psyche...just to make them say what you want..you just want that character to be seen to meet an evil end..not just hear or imagine they did
They forgot jay walking.
That one Sheridan did do.
so err...how did Sheridan get out of this one?
Get's rescued by a couple of his people, with the help from some other repels.
It was written into the script, like everything else.
This is what the USA us is like now days.
Last minute escape 🤔🤔
He forgot the Gestapo/SBU's favorite- ARMS SHIPMENTS TO DONBASS. 🤣
Hah totally forgot about that.
Now, the real question is; Can we get Darth Chaney sent for retraining on Minbar?
Guantanamo Bay already existed.
The Gestapo/SBU did not. Yet.
This is just an example of what our government can do if you become too much trouble to deal with. Don't think this could never really happen. Look at what this shutdown has done to us all.
Babylon 5 managed to predict Guantanamo Bay by a fair few years didn't it?
ScreamingTc Militarism and torture are ALWAYS the same
turns out it also predicted a xenophobe isolationist movement trying to turn democracy into authoritarianism.
As amazing as this episode was, why didn't they just use the sci corps and reprogram him like Garibaldi?
He had to be broken by the interrogation, JUST IN CASE anybody ever scanned him, basically to be as convincing as possible.
Too bad they ruined it with the WTF ending. The Drazi gets killed... or not... and then... back to square one? How's that supposed to work?
that attemp didnt work.. so they began another one.. and if it fails then a new one , and another and so.. until Sheridan breaks... and it is a matter of time..
@@sparrowlt Yip. Tbh it took me several years to figure that out.
He was next seen drugged up with the other guy in charge. They probably meant to do that from the beginning, with this guy as the warm-up act.
People mentioning Guantanamo Bay are myopic plebes. Torture centers exist in every Muslim nation. The Catholics had them in Spain, the Russians, Iraqis, Iranians, Turkish,.. all have torture techniques and torture centers. Guantanamo Bay? Those guys get hot meals and comfortable sleeping mats and rights. Do you know what Syrian Muslims are doing to young teen Christian girls they capture after murdering their entire families? No, you just eat what the MSM feeds you, and think you know something. You don't.
Those other examples are NOT run and operated by the US government. Just because they exist, does not make it right for the US government to follow their example. Jesus said, "Love your enemies." I do not see any "love" in our actions at Guantanamo.
His point still stands. Guantanamo Bay is not like those other examples. At all.
Also, Jesus may or may not have said that. I think he'd look down on us for the very notion of warefare in the first place. Would you make the claim that we should never fight wars, even when they are required? Jesus would rather we lay down in peace than fight and spill blood.
"No, you just eat what the MSM feeds you, and think you know something. You don't."
No, fuck you piece of shit!
No matter what you believe or know others to do, this simply has no relevance on Guantanamo Bay. Nor is torture in any form anywhere and to anyone ever to be deemed anything less than horrible, inhumane and unjustifiable.
Also, it is not okay (nor sensible) to assume to know what unknown others believe, know or think.
Fix your own life, try to help fix that of others maybe but don't blame "own" shortcomings on equal or greater shortcomings of others, true or believed to be true by you, no matter.
Justifying our bad behavior because other people do worse. Pathetic.
The January 6th prisoners in a nutshell. "Wait a minute....that's a lie" "Doesn't matter. You will confess, and then you will beg for mercy"