The Gray Man Concept
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I live in a small neighborhood of only 113 homes. There are about 15 known preppers in our community (myself & some friends) along with 3 law-enforcement officers, and several servicemembers. Over the years my buddies and I have managed to secure all of the spots in the HOA. We are slowly turning our small community into a Gray-berhood haha. In order to get a budget approval for a community upgrade, we need 10% of the homeowners to vote in favor. We have those votes just amongst us, but we get well over 50% when we put our ideas to a vote. We don't describe it as prepping, or anything of the sort. We pitch it as good for neighborhood value.
Over the years we have managed to put in a large covered pavilion with picnic tables & campground-style standing charcoal grills (perfect for a meeting place & for food distribution), a playground & dog park next to said pavilion, a 3 acre "community garden" at the center of the neighborhood that a few of us families currently work, but could be used to produce at least some of the food needed for the neighborhood, a sand-point well at the pavilion, the community garden, the entrance to the neighborhood (Behind the brick "welcome to" sign), and the back of the neighborhood, and right now we are working on getting quotes for gating the neighborhoods one vehicle entry/exit point. Heck, we have even approved "animals of a barnyard nature", against the complaints of more than a few. That was the most contentious vote of them all haha. We finally secured it by explaining its meant for people to have chickens, rabbits, & maybe a goat.
Most of our neighbors have no idea that these improvements aren't just meant to raise their property values haha. Hopefully they never have to thank us for our forward thinking on their behalf!
Another thing to consider is who you talk with and what information you share about you, your property, and how prepared you are. Loose lips...
They say you can't judge a book by it's cover but the fact is that 90% of the time you can. How you dress says volumes about you and what you believe in. Big thing is keep your mouth shut and your business to yourself and loved ones.
I think a lot of us dress to be the “hard target”. Clean, put together, strong probability we are armed and can defend ourselves.
Grey man is the exact opposite mindset. I think about this often.
A couple years ago I went to NYC for the first time to see the 911 memorial. At the time I didn't know they had such strict gun laws. I'm from Pennsylvania, I was concealed carrying. I had on jeans, regular shoes, but. I had a shirt on that said "security and military depot" (A local gun shop in PA) it wasn't even in big letters. A gentleman came up to me and said "Do you have a gun?" Me, confused on why he asked me that, said "Yes?" (Which I probably shouldn't have said, but) He said "Dude, you can't carry a gun here, they'll lock you up. I noticed your shirt that's why I came over to you" He was from Kentucky. Maybe that's why he noticed and others didn't but let's just say I thanked him and got out of there quick. Never shared that story with anyone, but thought it fit well with this video!
Americans cannot carry a gun? second amendment?
Why would you carry a firearm to another state without researching its laws? You are asking for problems. And NYC?
You didn’t know about NY guns laws? Hard to believe
@@Nordraw Ya I made it up just because I felt like it. Lmao. I was new to carrying. Not everyone has all the knowledge when they're new to something
Importten to remember is not to look lost.
Got a few recurves and archery supplies and learning how to use them. Albert Einstein is often quoted as having said in 1947 that "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
I am a ride share driver in a medium-small city in NC of about 70k people. Gray man is my ultimate goal at all times. I even bought my car with that in mind. I have a black Toyota Camry. I don't have any stickers or decals just so my car doesn't stand out in any way. The fact that I carry strangers has made me be creative and thoughtful in how I approach my preps and EDC. I set my car up so the driver side door is locked at all times until I open it. I carry concealed with a magnetic holster beside my leg. I have a knife in my flip-down sunglass holder. I wear plain colored shirts & jeans that I get at wal-mart because most of the people around here shop there too. I wear a plain ballcap when I work also. I have set up a larger than average rearview mirror that allows me to see more of the back seat & have a low-profile dash cam in the front & back of the car.
The tricky part was how to travel with my get-home bag & my carbine. After some experimentation, I was able to build a false wall into the trunk of my car behind the seats. Some plywood, a couple hinges, some automotive carpet, and a bit of velcro, and I made a handy little hiding spot for my bag and carbine (I chose carbine because it is compatible with my handgun mags). The bag isnt huge, (just some energy bars, a change of clothes, hoodie, couple bottles of water, small first aid kit, ammo, flashlight, and fire starter) but it is plenty for a walk home. Fortunately, since its a car, I can keep maps and what not without raising flags.
I honestly recommend ridesharing on the weekends or just occasionally for preppers. I now know my city so well I could come up with several routes from any point in town to any other point in town haha. I also now know where the bad parts of town are. I know where resources are. I know where abandoned buildings are that could make good temporary shelter. I know where the owners of several restaurants & businesses live too. The job has also forced me to be able to talk to ANYONE.
Beige, light brown, Olive clothes, mixed, are the best all-around camouflage. Olive pants, beige print shirt, when still, in shadow, is not noticed by peripheral vision until movement. It's time for preppers to do chores in discrete tactical convoys however small.
Anyone wearing olive pants stands out to me, unless theyre dress pants.
There's one thing that I find is often overlooked in these gray man videos, and it is something that most of these tips won't help minimize: that is being a different racial/ethnic/(and sometimes) religion in an area where you always stand out, even an area you're familiar with/live in. Some people are always going to stand out, which is why acting like you belong becomes one of the most important tools.
The unabomber was one of the original grey men. Several people saw him, but no one could remember what he was wearing or what he looked like
I had a neighbor who said he dressed like the unabomber for a Halloween party. I questioned him as to how he knew how the unabomber dressed, as at the time, no one knew who he was.
@danielhopwood1151 Back before he was found all they had was that sketch from one witness and that made him look like Freddy Mercury.
I grew up in Chicago, my head is on a swivel at all times, especially at gas stations, I always lock my vehicle and constantly looking around.
If you have large cardboard boxes, here are a couple of uses:
1. Fill with garden soild and compost. Wrap with chicken wire. Now you have a non-plastic planter that won't emit pcbs into your soil when you grow food. If you want make it look nicer, it can be covered with jute cloth.
2. Break the box apart and spread out flat. Place under your car in your garage to catch the oul spills.
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Do you have a site that talks about this?
@@robertbatemon7655 No.
what is garden solid, and what is a oul spill. I am new to this, I need to learn the jargon
I agree 100% about the grey man look. I also am in favor of the lone wolf theory. When people are hungry enough, they will come for your preps! Very few people knows that I am a prepper and that is family.
Great subject! One of my major focuses.
Add to that being situationally aware and personal security is greatly increased.
I keep a 20' buffer of awareness around me. Profiling everyone with at least a glance. You never know.
Thank you for taking the time to talk to us about this. Great show!
Good point on the gas station! Maintaining situational awareness is key!
Good to see that Robbie @Wheaton Arms has recovered. 👍🏻
In a SHTF situation they ain't gonna care what you look like, they're coming after whatever you've got that they want!
And you gonna either give it to em or give it to em!
If I’m trying to hide in California, I just poop in the road
My mom said I'm too handsome to pull off grey man.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 She's a funny lady.
I’m 45 and use a Hello Kitty backpack. Do I stand out?
In 2023. Not at all. 😅
Love your q&a sessions. Is it possible to get Sarah Mac miced up so we can better hear the questions. She is hard to hear sometimes.
Either that or they can just simply repeat the question before commenting.
I knew a skinny old grey haired man that was very soft spoken and cultured. He fought the Germans in both wars in K9 behind the lines. He was decorated by France and the United States. He was the only person I've ever known that had killed people up close and personal. Knife and garrot. With dogs that worked with hand signals.
We are glad Robbie Wheaton is doing better! He should really lay off that Corona! 🍻🥴
I always stand out because of my Guide dog,
The ability to control other peoples perception of you is a superpower
Location, climate, culture are equally important in this topic. Also I want to point out, SHTF WROL at this point the “grayest” blendable bag rucksack backpack is going to draw unwanted attention…! Be aware of this, in a scenario wher many have very little to nothing that pack on your back now sticks out like a sore thumb enticing people who have nothing to wander what that person has in that pack… Be REALISTIC about things with yourself!
Parking in front of stores or restaurants , I’m starting to park away from the entrance and walk past a few rows of cars so what I drive stays more obscure.
Best grey man is just to punch the air and walk weird.... Crack head status.
Great show, thanks fellas.
I’d say you’d have a better chance of blending in by wearing sports team hats and shirts/sweaters.👍
Good point…given their area
Sometimes, based upon your environment.
Great info Gents. Thanks much !
Here in West Virginia it's easy to be a 'Gray Man.' But it's easy to stand out as well as some folks do. Camo is normal attire. Lots of good information here!
Kindness is not weakness!!
Kindness is not weakness, but it can put you, or others, in a dangerous situation.
Great discussion! Thank you!
In Chicago, the first things everyone looks at are your shoes and your watch
Ugg boots, Omega speedmaster watch. Gun, Sig sp2022. Badge, Arizonas finest.
@@DS..69 Johnston Murphy penny loafers or florsheim wingtips, timex classic digital (the higher end one with the link bracelet band) or victinorox. Glock30, 1911, or j frame. A bone handled sowbelly stockman and bigfoot keychain. Topped off with Hannah hats flat cap and prescription sunglasses. Lol
Place your guns in a happi names backpack and a baby on board sticker.
In SF first thing everyone looks at is if you might have toilet paper so they can take a turd on the side wall and be able to wipe
I still hold to my original statement that WE have complicated Greyman and that it is not as difficult as we make it out to be. Greyman is the new pink tax.
Thank You ...
Don’t have well shined boots.
I personally try to pull off “Harmless Old Man.” But not feeble. Smiles go a long way to defuse a side eye glance from others.
Very interesting conversation, thank you.
I am retired but live on and work a small ranch in South Texas. My daily wear is gray work pants, light gray long sleeve work shirt, lace up work boots, and a palm leaf wide brim cowboy hat. I do not stand out where I live. I never wear black, because it is too hot to work in. Light colors are best. For our short winters, I have a gray insulated jacket. I will change to a generic, non-logo light gray ball cap and jeans in winter. My truck has no stickers.
Well, thank you for putting yourself put there and blowing your prepping cover. Everyone knows you, what you have, where you live, they know you're a prepper. Thank you for your sacrifice.
Where I live is almost center between 3 small towns in a rural county in SC. But even in the rural areas there are small communities like there are 1-3-5 acre lots all around me. These smaller communities will most likely cut off or barricade the entrances from outside traffic in a true SHTF scenario. So it’s NOT just the towns someone has to be conscious of it’s all the smaller outlying communities as well.
09:07 About profiling people....I used to make a game of it with my brothers.
I can almost always spot plain clothes security.
Yes I find I have way to many Harley Davidson tee shirts. Great point. 80 yr old guy with Harley tee. Very noticeable
Example of "Not" being a gray man ... Sen. Fetterman.
As a female in the suburbs, I use a diaper bag for my pack usually with a stray diaper sticking out or a bottle of baby powder visible. Doesn't look odd to have a big bag even with a purse and nobody looks twice at it. My son is 11 so obviously not for him but like you said, people make assumptions and usually just assume dad must have the baby near by. Bonus to this bag, lots of room and nifty pockets. Would work just as well for a guy.
I am usually wearing obnoxiously bright athletic shorts and a very contrasting shirt. I am the opposite of a grey man
Been grey for awhile now...best thing I could have ever done........
The best grey man I ever saw was the afghan locals. Everyone looked alike no one stuck out until they started acting suspicious.
Thanks
you could have a selection of other clothing in your car or luggage to shift your appearance for where you are now,
Simple look: Ball cap on backwards, Jansport backpack (not black, brown, olive or camo) and carry a basket ball
As a watch guy I’m not going without a watch, so my recommendation for staying low key is a black G-Shock.
I’ve noticed in my experiences a lot that seems like the best and nicest people you’d ever meet can also turn into the meanest people you ever meet too !! I know quite a few people like that actually. As for me, I’m one of those people, I’m as great a guy you’ll ever meet until you rub it the wrong way then you’ll get all of me, I’m very friendly but I also have the worst temper you’ve ever seen on earth !! I hate it, but it’s in my blood. It is what it is. I think sometimes I have a split personality and I’m two animals in one person, a lion and a lamb !!
Usually that happens when someone didn't get to witness (and thus learn) emotional regulation as a kid. I.e. parents who weren't around or parents who were around in toxic ways of their own, even if they meant well can be the start of the this. Not saying that in a shitty way by any means. I'm commenting because I hear a lot of ppl bemoan being that way, and it's the first part of your statement that indicates to me that you're someone who values good things but has a limit for what he will take, and what happens after that limit is scary even to you.
Good people who tried hard as kids to do the right thing and didn't get seen or rewarded for it in any capacity, while having to fend for themselves in unfair ways is a big thing that sets us up to feel/be like that too.
I can speak from some experience on this, having to learn a bunch of things in adulthood that I never learned as a kid. What helped me the most was beginning to understand the separation of mind, body and emotion. I used to be unable to distinguish between what I thought and what I was feeling, and that's the recipe for snapping at people, because it feels like it's out of your control. Meditation is crucial, even if it's just a few minutes a day of stillness.
But we're all essentially wandering around like appliances that are missing an instruction manual, lol, just doing our best, and learning these things by feel or by wise experience and counseling from others are the only real options we have 🤷♀️
Grey man is the easiest way to a quiet life.
When I go in the church, I turn the ringer off. And then I have opened up the Bible app, and it started reading the Bible for everybody. So I turn on something that I can hear the volume and I turn the volume down to nothing so whatever happens nothing comes noisy on my phone in church. However, if I get a little sugar that sound is going off in my phone because of the device I wear can’t help that one. But I do know if it’s getting low. I am watching closely so I can go out of the church before it would go off but hopefully I don’t let my sugars get that load that it would go off.
Blending is is very important, not being noticed and unrecognizable is the key to living to see another day. So with the example of the going to the beach wearing a grey hoodie. You will stand out, solution, wear a grey bikini or swim trunks. problem solved.
A grey man banana hammock.
Watch being followed home. I live in rural Edgefield Co, SC on a dirt road with 2 ways in. But once off this road it spiderwebs out to 6-8 different routes in can come and go and atleast half of these if there is another vehicle behind me that was on the hwy I can almost bet they’re following me. Based simply on where the road leads the properties on said road etc. Like turning off the hwy onto a paved sparsely populated road is one thing but then onto another dirt road that goes almost nowhere with only 2 houses on it for several miles where if you were going to the only other place on this road was 3 miles at the other end of a different paved road
good info ..good video
Howdy from TX. LA Police gear has some nice pants that look average from a little distance. They are clearly cargo pants, but they are way more heavy-duty than other cargo pants I've found. Perfect for edc of pistol, flashlight, knife, etc. I like having a .22 in my vehicle just for the amount of ammo I can keep on me in it. It's too easy to throw 500 to 1000 rounds in the 72 hr bag. Just keep it oiled up and in a sleeve in the vehicle and it will be fine. I feel safe enough to do that though where I'm at, and some people might not want to leave a firearm like that in their vehicle.
Here in the low countey anything from cammo to jeans and tshirt. Deck shoes or boots
Don’t put stickers on your rides.
Good live guys!
nice invicta watch.. looks like subaqua specialty? or bolt
Be kind and respectful to everyone and be prepared to kiss them all.
I like the keltec sub2000 when I need something really compact. Definitely prefer a rifle cartridge but the sub2000 is a little bit more lethal than your handgun and definitely extends the range or at least accuracy at range also can get it with compatible mags with your handgun
Before it was an ar15 pistol but since they’ve taken that away the sub2000 will have to get me home
I am so glad I kept my sub around and I am often made fun for having and often complimented about it and where I am I think Iv seen them for 299 I purchased mine two years ago for over 500 but have two 30 round mags and 2 17 rd mags I feel pretty safe with it! Love it
@@Kyle-zz4mr they are $360 right now several places with $100 rebate so yea $260 they can’t be beat
I lean towards things with labels that look gray like college T-shirts, and hustler hoodies
I've been on the fence about this one. Everything black is what I like and what I've worn for years, including gear (as much as I can). I get the idea of blending in, but that's just not my style. I've tried, with the dress "code" I guess, but yeah, that's not for me. Regarding tactical bags, in my context, at least, it's actually kind of normal to see people wearing one (there's a military base in my city). Could I be wrong about this? Sure. Again, I'm on the fence. Just my thoughts and opinions.
Does facial hair figure into he gray man concept? Is there a cumulative effect, when factors work against you (i.e. being super tall, facial hair, hat with logo, car with bumper stickers)?
Tattoo sleeve may stand out
I just don’t go to cities when I can avoid it anymore.
I live in Dom. Rep. Most of the time an showing a potential threat can save you multiple mugging. I don't live in tourist area ,I live in poorest areas . Never had a problem yet. But my neighbors have all been robbed ,molested , an drive by grab an goes.
Want to ad . I have lived there 7 yrs. An im 65. But I'm in excellent shape.
Eddie Bauer makes a really great EDC pack called the Adventurer. I have the 29L and it is configured perfect and does not look tactical at all. And everyone just thinks your an old guy that shops Eddie Bauer.
I saw a guy wearing a USCCA shirt instantly know he is carrying.
I think if or during an emergency, it will matter so much what you are wearing because people will be in a panic and trying to do their own thing.
People always say don't wear camo or a camo bag. Camo is common and unless you're wearing a clown suit, people won't notice you so much. If you spend time somewhere it's no big deal to grab some clothing and look like most other people.
Now are you trying to look poor and unimportant? Maybe you need to look wealthy? Are we all going to pack a bag of disguises? Wearing a hoodie and buying the "grey man" bag might make you stand out more than others.
Wearing grey or brown, whatever and carrying a backpack might or might not grab somebodies' attention that you are a prepper, but other preppers and people who have "bug out bags" are not looking to steal from you. They'll be busy doing their thing.
If people are desperate and there are bad guys around then you might be attacked or robbed just because you are there without regard for how you dress or what you are carrying.
The same as when you are over seas. See what the people are wearing, buy local, blend in.
Stickers are for tool boxes.
I live in Oregon the Willamette Valley my area I live in Salem where I live is an RV mobile home park and my community is right on the verge of the farming community so it doesn't take long for me to get in my pickup and drive like a mile or less Indian farming country I know every Backstreet every road every County Road in my area I used to be an armed Patrol security officer plus I drive all over this place I live in a 24 ft travel trailer I am currently putting in a storage shed for more room I practice The Gray Man Theory and have had practice it for years I watch everybody to see what they're wearing and I wear what they wear or I just wear what I've always worn jeans with no labels t-shirts with No Label currently I have a specially-designed special-purpose fanny pack that holds a bleed out kit and a handgun because I've had stomach surgery and so it is my crossbody pack I look everywhere I'm seeing people wearing these fanny packs or crossbody packs men and women so I blend in I stay out of crowded areas I do not go to fairs I don't go to music festivals I don't even go to restaurants and eat out I am basically I'm a lone wolf I am sociably unacceptable hate people I watch people and they don't even know I'm doing it I watch their actions watch how they walk how they handle themselves I look at hands and waist looking for objects I trust nobody
You THINK you don't stand out. But from what you described you would stand out like sore thumb around here. Because you arent blending in, you are standing out because of your reclusiveness.
Is it wise to have a sign saying that we pretty much you could get shot if you trespass Or will that make a person to find my gun?
You could carry a sling shot and your cardboard can be used in composting
YEA , SO WHAT IF YOU NEED TO USE A CANE ?
Use a cane low key like the locals would. Sit in a grocery store or medical clinic parking lot and observe
Take some self defense classes ...
Got a weapon
Wait! Did you say the LAPG boots were comfortable or uncomfortable?
What about license plates? 😮
I try to be the "gray man" but it is difficult because I'm 6'7" tall. Any recommendations?
The standard when dealing with trash.
IT MUST FIT IN THE CONTAINER.
That means the lid must shut.
I pay for two 50 gallon trash receptacles.
Boxes must be torn down or cut up.
Toys or household appliances too large to fit must be disassembled (partially) or cut up.
Nasty food and other trash (diapers etc) have first priority for disposal, any left over room is for boxes, appliances, toys etc.
And if you live in an area of nosy people, go the extra step and bag EVERYTHING.
It may take a construction weight bag for appliances and things.
But it's your privacy at stake, you have to decide what effort is worth it.
Nobody typically what appliances you are getting rid of though.
Can we explain how if you put on a high viz vest you can go almost anywhere? Opposite gray man effect?
I will say if I saw y’all wearing those shirts I know immediately you probably have a gun on you. Part of gray man is not being a target.
Logo shirts should be inside out
I always blend in. Yep...head to toe cammies in the mall keeps me niiiiiiiiiice and hidden!
What?
In Boston wear a Red Sox hat and you won’t stand out.
Yup, go grey man (Why do Y'all think Don shaved off His 6" tall neon orange mohawk?) lol 😉
What about the calvary of 4436 caliber black powder
Rub something smelly on your clothes to have people shy away too.
Yes no
They remember a stinky man
Have your phone in your hand
Turn cardboard into camp candles or cooking elements.
Be kinda submissive and positive while always carrying that how I am
I identify as a Swedish cheese maker 🤷🏾♂️
👍 God bless our planet
Long live the human race
What about the weather.
I wonder how many will go gray-man but still use their credit cards?
Using cash is memorabilia. Makes you stand out when nobody else does.
No confrontations when you're driving can be bad I live in Austin Texas and they got a lot of road rage drivers here and you really if you carry a firearm stay away from that let the people go by you drive slower