If you think emulators are illegal, you're wrong

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  • Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
  • The market for emulators in the '90s was weird - even the big name publishers didn't quite know if they were legal, or if they counted as piracy. So it was surprising when Steve Jobs took the stage at Macworld 1999 to announce that PlayStation games would soon be coming to Mac. What was unsurprising, was Sony's response.
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  • @bobbaggins403
    @bobbaggins403 Год назад +2346

    ‘If you have enough money to defend yourself’ is the most American sentence.

    • @dox6031
      @dox6031 Год назад +59

      Nah that shit is global. Money=power= complete safety is a universal law in a world based on money

    • @thothtahuti5509
      @thothtahuti5509 Год назад +6

      yeah :(

    • @dontchewglass
      @dontchewglass Год назад +6

      I saw this comment before the video and assumed it was referring to gun ownership (wealthy people who can collect/stockpile guns account for like half the guns owned in the US)

    • @bobbaggins403
      @bobbaggins403 Год назад +1

      @@dontchewglass that is so understandable 😹

    • @dontchewglass
      @dontchewglass Год назад

      @@bobbaggins403 lol yep, and the interests of those collectors plus manufacturers are the only ones the NRA/most gun lobbyists actually care about

  • @SomeGuyWithAFace9
    @SomeGuyWithAFace9 Год назад +588

    if something is legal, but a big company can bully you into submission by having more money and lawyers than you, then whos really deciding whats legal?

    • @thewinter_
      @thewinter_ Год назад +39

      polygon's comments are as anticapitalist as ever lmao

    • @Guimhj
      @Guimhj Год назад +29

      Burgeois democracy being questioned, one game at a time

    • @theunnamedaccount4009
      @theunnamedaccount4009 Год назад +24

      @@thewinter_ I feel like most communities start off fairly politically neutral before slowly over the years leaning towards one ideology after everyone kind of just realises that the current political status on today's issues seems a bit off

    • @aa-tx7th
      @aa-tx7th Год назад

      most people are anticapitalist my man
      especially the younger gens

    • @thewinter_
      @thewinter_ Год назад

      @@aa-tx7th if that were true, wouldn't we have abolished capitalism by now?

  • @arthurdurham
    @arthurdurham Год назад +730

    Copyright is one of the biggest abuses of our legal system. Really shows how often something's legality has little to do with what can be made litigious.

    • @Alte.Kameraden
      @Alte.Kameraden Год назад +17

      Well of course, they were created to help prop up monopolies and large companies. In a laissez-faire Economic Liberal system, it's very hard for companies to grow large, and become monopolies. As you have no way of protecting against other people copying your products and making them more affordable. The larger a company becomes, the less efficient they are, even if the company is very wealthy, it can never make a product as cheap as a smaller company can, or an individual can. Because that larger company also has far more financial overheard, more employees to pay, more property to tax, and far higher salaries for owners, manages and even often employees.
      Copyright laws were never created to protect small business from big business, that is a lie. It's the reverse. Large companies can afford to sue a company or individual even if they didn't do something illegal, using the Copyright Law as a foundation for the suite. Hoping the defendant will give up and settle instead of trying to win. Mean while large companies can easily just afford to change a product just enough so it no longer falls under Copyright Production, and without much effort steal other people's products, while having the lawyers to ensure they never sue back. The laws have never existed to protect the little man in short.
      Want to know why the EU pushed for new Copyright Laws on the internet that mostly focused on Major Media Content, even News Articles (so you couldn't quote a news article even in a video legally). It was done so by the Central State to protect large multi national media conglomerates because the Little Man on Social Media was literally kicking their ass on the political world stage. Good example, Tim Pool annually has more viewers than CNN or FOX.

    • @Amir_404
      @Amir_404 Год назад +9

      @@Alte.Kameraden Laissez-faire economics always leads to monopolies. Efficiency increases with size; this is called economy of scale. The reason monopolies are considered bad isn't because they are inefficient, but rather because they are too efficient at achieving *their* goal. The goals of a businesses and the goals of the consumer are misaligned. A consumer wants low cost and high quality products, but the businesses only wants profit. A small business can only turn a profit by giving the consumer driven market what it wants, but a large enough business can start modifying the market.

    • @ashwilliams1725
      @ashwilliams1725 Год назад +3

      Yeah at this point I'm full blown anti-copyright

    • @Alte.Kameraden
      @Alte.Kameraden Год назад +2

      @@Amir_404 "Efficiency increases with size; this is called economy of scale." If that was the case, Socialism wouldn't fail, but it does so horrifically. You'd think a Corporation that holds control over everything which is what a Socialist economy basically is, a giant Corporation that controls everything, all the resources they need, labor they need. You'd think they'd be super efficient but that isn't how it turns out. They in exchange actually struggle to keep up with the rest of the world, heck keep up with their own domestic production. People who work in a large company have no real incentive to work hard. It's not 'their' business, they work for a wage or salary. Increase the size/bureaucracy behind it and employees increasingly have no incentive to work hard.
      You see this in the video game industry where Talent is actually leaving large Corporations like Rockstar, Activision, Bethesda, among many others which now have very few of the people working for said companies that actually made the products consumers loved. Same thing happened in the anime industry. Throughout the 80s/90s only a hand full of super mega corporations/animation studios dominated the market. In the early 2000s however there was a shift, thousands of animators, and people of talent just slowly started leaving these companies and forming their own studios, often out of their own pockets. Now Japan is filled with a ridiculous number of animation studios, some of which so small they only have a few hundred employees. Vs the mega Corporations that were say Sunrise Inc for example. This is actually the primary reason for the anime boom of the 2000s as well, on an international level. More anime = more chances of an anime that appeals to a viewer, and it only takes finding one they like to get their foot into that market as a consumer. Also because the companies are much smaller, they also do not have to be nearly as profitable to stay afloat as well. So it doesn't even matter if they make an anime that becomes a big hit.

    • @Sleepy_Wolve
      @Sleepy_Wolve Год назад +3

      @@Alte.Kameraden Socialism "fails" because of the US's interventions. Vietnam has half the GDP per capita of my country yet excels compared to my country. Cuba has decent GDP per capita growth despite being under an illegal embargo by the US.
      "People who work in a large company have no real incentive to work hard It's not 'their' business, they work for a wage or salary." which is why socialism works.

  • @dsproductions19
    @dsproductions19 Год назад +1141

    A quick note: copying for personal backup is perfectly legal as long as you don't sell or share the copy, the same as backing up music CDs in the early 2000s.
    Most people assume ROMs are always pirated since it used to require specific (and expensive) hardware, as well as often modifying the file afterward (like NES). This isn't as much of an issue for a while now, as many consoles can be hacked to make backups with just free software, and backup hardware these days can be as cheap as $10, but the assumption still stands.

    • @intraum
      @intraum Год назад +16

      isn't that dependent on the specific End User Licence Agreement? i'm no expert but it's my understanding that games these days technically just give you a licence to play the game, you don't actually own the contents of the cartridge in your hand.

    • @TokenSelf
      @TokenSelf Год назад +18

      One small problem: Most commercial software & digital content has copy-protection, and the DMCA prohibits circumventing access-control measures. So you technically have the right to make a personal backup but no legal method of actually doing so.

    • @thelonejedi538
      @thelonejedi538 Год назад +28

      @@TokenSelf yeah DMCA made even posessing tools to decrypt illegal. I remember when 2600 was selling shirts with the source code to decrypt DVD's on them to protest 🤣

    • @theunnamedaccount4009
      @theunnamedaccount4009 Год назад +10

      I would honestly recommend legally obtaining DS roms. Since Nintendo is really down bad and basically forced 90% of Nintendo roms off the internet, the only ones around anymore have well known bugs (look at HG/SS, wth screen flickering and bugged sprites). Due to this, the best way to play Nintendo roms is... well... to get them yourself from your own cartridge, bug free
      Honestly, I can understand if people don't want to do this. You have to jailbreak your console, which can take hours if you don't know what to do, but the end result is a very legal very clean rom that is very legal. Or not. I'm not a law expert

    • @thelonejedi538
      @thelonejedi538 Год назад +28

      @@theunnamedaccount4009 it really depends on where you live. Japan has weird laws against reverse engineering/modding stuff that are more strict than anywhere else.
      America is cool with reverse engineering in general, BUT, if the media you are copying has any form of copy protection and dumping requires any sort of process to circumvent it in order to make a backup, then that is 100% illegal in america. For the rest of the world, even in countries that actually respect copyright and intelectual property, as long as you aren't distributing your backup to others it is legal.
      I'm not familiar with ds so I don't know the process for dumping. Hacking your ds is legal in most places. And as long as the homebrew app for dumping games doesn't circumvent encryption, then it is legal as well. It likely does, but I wouldn't worry.
      Unless you're running a web site or discord server distributing the dumps.
      Fun fact to end on here: Nintendo has long been very anti-emulation, and they are the only major game company with a stated policy on emulation. 30 years ago there was a fairly crappy NES emulator(by todays standards) , that was the best of the ones floating around, but it would crash depending on dump variations, so some extra data was injected into the rom to allow the emulator to know the proper way to open it. Because this emulator was the best, basically all nes roms floating around were modded with this extra data.
      Then nintendo launches the wii, brings back old games to sell again on the virtual console. Wii gets hacked, someone looks at the hex dump of the game and finds this extra bit of data used by that long ago abandoned emulator. Nintendo literally got caught red handed illegally downloading their own games and then selling them back to people 🤣

  • @ypob2007
    @ypob2007 Год назад +1112

    “Pirating Nintendo isn’t a crime, it’s an obligation”

    • @wp_2k
      @wp_2k Год назад +167

      if a company no longer distributes a piece of software, it should be legal to emulate it

    • @inkchariot6147
      @inkchariot6147 Год назад +59

      @@wp_2k It is, they won't say it, but it is.

    • @tasteslikestupid4003
      @tasteslikestupid4003 Год назад +47

      It's always morally correct

    • @emeraldgiss
      @emeraldgiss Год назад +17

      You say you pirate Xbox, PlayStation, or PC games and people will judge you (and on the extrema case turn you in). If you pirate older Nintendo games they will be like oh ok, or at max judge you because they don't know how bad Nintendo is.

    • @ypob2007
      @ypob2007 Год назад +14

      @@emeraldgiss actually it’s more because Nintendo wants you to buy the console and game even if they won’t even receive that money

  • @intraum
    @intraum Год назад +176

    the watery fanfic disclaimer / emulator blurbs that you referenced are some of the funniest things about ~2000s era internet lol. i absolutely loved it when i'd come across a youtube video back in the day when the description would be "I DO NOT OWN ANYTHING". cracks me up every time

    • @aimelle3
      @aimelle3 Год назад +33

      No copyright intended!

    • @intraum
      @intraum Год назад +50

      @@aimelle3 this full episode of the sopranos is for educational purposes, all rights belong to HBO

    • @mavrickindigo
      @mavrickindigo Год назад +7

      Original character do not steal

    • @BonaparteBardithion
      @BonaparteBardithion Год назад

      As an AMV editor I breathe this. It does nothing to stop strikes or claims. Videos will be muted, have ads tacked to them or be straight up unavailable in certain countries no matter what the blurb says.

    • @MisterSpeedStacking
      @MisterSpeedStacking Год назад +11

      I DO NOT OWN ANYTHING. LITERALLY, I AM BANKRUPT. DONATE TO ME HERE

  • @NickWimpyNoodle
    @NickWimpyNoodle Год назад +1187

    Know what’s ACTUALLY criminal? These game companies letting legacies of games die off forever

    • @ricepony33
      @ricepony33 Год назад +30

      What would you all pay to have an actual Netflix of gaming with every game playable right off your tv with connected controller?

    • @Mars0War
      @Mars0War Год назад +10

      I mean, it sucks but it's not literally a crime.

    • @shaungreer3350
      @shaungreer3350 Год назад +29

      @@ricepony33 nothing seeing as i could just pirate them

    • @chazl4968
      @chazl4968 Год назад +25

      When has any company or producer of art in other mediums had their catalog of works available on shelves for all of time? What’s wrong with emulation or second hand for “preservation”? What are we mad about?

    • @shaungreer3350
      @shaungreer3350 Год назад +18

      @@chazl4968 exactly. games are probably the best preserved media in all of history, seeing as they’ve been around for alot less time than others and the fans are more eager to preserve things.

  • @pliable-head
    @pliable-head Год назад +189

    The distinction between what was copyright infringement/illegal piracy/what have you and what wasn't is actually super interesting, thank you Jenna for this and also for acknowledging the wild ride of Gex

    • @ghost-user559
      @ghost-user559 Год назад

      RUclips just asked me to rate your comment with a star rating asking whether I would “rate this comment”.
      You said too many legal terms. Sounds like RUclips is feeling a little bit sensitive about the skeletons in their own closet?

  • @ZoeBateman
    @ZoeBateman Год назад +388

    legally speaking what I'm saying in this comment is a joke, but I think it's completely fine and good to download a copy of a game for emulation or otherwise if it's not available for purchase or available legitimately or easily anymore. emulation is great, and is also a good thing for kinda archiving things and keeping old stuff available to use

    • @chrismanuel9768
      @chrismanuel9768 Год назад +24

      There's entire archives of NES games still available online right now. Nintendo barely even tries to remove them anymore, they care mostly about the newer games

    • @tenacity25
      @tenacity25 Год назад +8

      I also think that it's fine to download a copy of a game for emulation if you already own a physical copy and don't want to deal with the hassle of trying to convert it into a ROM.
      As a makeshift-self-port sort of deal. In case you, say, prefer using a control input that isn't supposed on the main console the game is on. Like if you prefer K&M controls for strategy games, but want to play fire emblem.
      But the way companies treat emulation leads to... well, a lot of sources not necessarily being the safest, especially for newer games.

    • @karlhendrikse
      @karlhendrikse Год назад

      Technically, pirating a game when new copies are no longer available decreases the price of used copies because of reduced demand, and if people know the resale value in the future is going to be lower they're less likely to purchase a new copy when they are still available... so I don't think it's 100% fine and good.
      I mean, I still do it myself sometimes, but it's not an automatic "this is OK".
      There's also the possibility of a future re-release that you don't end up buying because you pirated the original version.
      For me, the golden rule is that piracy is OK if you can honestly say, hand on heart, that your purchasing decisions aren't affected by it. I'm planning to pirate Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door soon (because the only copies I can find are ridiculous prices that I would rather never play the game than pay), but if it's ever remade, I will purchase the remake (if it's good).

    • @ryno4ever433
      @ryno4ever433 Год назад +4

      I agree with you but without qualifying my statement as a joke.

    • @william41017
      @william41017 Год назад +15

      @@karlhendrikse there's no proof that your first claim is true. And even if it was, so what? Why should I be responsible for the price of someone's used copy of a game?
      That makes no sense

  •  Год назад +93

    Jeez, that "bleem!" UI knocked the air out of my lungs and physically transported me back to my teenage years.

  • @RidireOiche
    @RidireOiche Год назад +64

    How many niche throwaway janky videogames that perhaps only a few hundred people ever played have now been lost to time due to a lack of readily accessible emulators. The kind of cheap weirdly enjoyable games only you seem to remember, from when you rented them those weekends someone else got there first and rented the only copy of the game you actually wanted and you couldn't go home empty handed so you had to rent something.

    • @orijimi
      @orijimi Год назад +5

      Not entirely for this reason, but Steel Battalion!

  • @MonochromeWench
    @MonochromeWench Год назад +30

    Reverse engineering being legal is older than sega vs accolade, the original big lawsuit was ibm vs compaq, that established it was absolutely ok if you didn't copy code and is why the PC industry even exists today. Modern PCs are still based upon the efforts to reverse engineer the IBM 5170 AT in the 80s

  • @longbeing
    @longbeing Год назад +123

    My view on it is that if you cannot purchase the game from the publisher, it’s morally fine to emulate it, and I think copyright law should allow for this.
    Buying a physical copy would just give your money to a retailer (probably at a high markup) instead of the people who made it.
    (discontinued games with available remakes and/or remasters are tricky, since they blur the line between a re-release and a different game)

    • @youtubeuniversity3638
      @youtubeuniversity3638 Год назад +23

      If the copyright holders have zero possible way to financially benefit from the copyright they're holding, then why let such a hold hold all us back?

    • @jkid1134
      @jkid1134 Год назад +2

      The viability of the secondhand market is one of those baked in assumptions that allow distributors to buy and stock extra games and not be scared if they don't sell them. It might not feel like it's in a very direct way, but it definitely all contributes.

    • @karlhendrikse
      @karlhendrikse Год назад

      People are more likely to purchase a game from the publisher if they know the resale value won't drop to zero as soon as the game goes out of print. So it's a bit less than morally fine.

    • @longbeing
      @longbeing Год назад +20

      @@karlhendrikse I don’t think that argument holds much water, considering the huge success of Steam, a platform which does not allow you to resell the games you purchase with it.
      Also I’m not sure the state of video game resale is healthy. Portal 2 and Pokémon Black were released within a month of each other in my region. I paid just ten dollars to play Portal 2. I would liked to have bought Pokémon Black. However, the game alone starts at $80 on Amazon, and since I do not own a DS, that would bring the buy-in up to around $230.

    • @BonaparteBardithion
      @BonaparteBardithion Год назад +17

      @@karlhendrikse
      I've never once in my life sold a game. They're not collector plates or a new car. Most people don't buy games with the resale value in mind, they buy them to play them. Let's not make this a Beanie Baby situation.

  • @LexVexation
    @LexVexation Год назад +20

    Region lock in Australia was a killer in the 90s/00s, having to wait MONTHS for a new release 😫

    • @kashiichan
      @kashiichan Год назад +3

      If not years, depending on the popularity of the game. :(

  • @KlooKloo
    @KlooKloo Год назад +12

    The real crime? Polygon firing Jenna today

  • @lelsewherelelsewhere9435
    @lelsewherelelsewhere9435 Год назад +58

    There's also a slight caveat that is interesting: functionality is not copyrightable, even if it involves COINCIDENTALLY using the same code.
    if there is only 1 way to do something (or it's the best, most obvious way, and you got there *independently*), such as using the trademark name "sega" as a password, then it is ok to do that despite "sega" being a trademarked name and your code being the same as the copyrighted code.
    There was an earlier important non-gaming case in early home pc days when compaq was cloning ibm hardware so as to allow compaq pcs to run ibm software.
    Compaq had 1 group look at the ibm pc and describe the functionality, and another group look at the description only and create hardware/software based on it. If there was overlap (compaq results being identical to ibm's machine/code), it was therefore proven it coincidental and simply the best or most applicable way to do that functionality, AND NOT actual copying of ibm's work.

  • @TheGlooga
    @TheGlooga Год назад +43

    i have fond memories of zsnes' snowy screen. this was a really interesting video! it also clarified something i was confused about, which was why emulation teams didnt hop onto the nintendo gigaleak. its apparent given the whole reverse engineering thing that it's because that would be stepping on actual copywrite

    • @ashlandwithouttheshd
      @ashlandwithouttheshd Год назад +7

      Funny Easter egg about zsnes, if you open the emulator on Christmas it was automatically turn on the snowy UI

  • @chickensangwich97
    @chickensangwich97 Год назад +15

    Remember that this exact same IP chicanery, which artificially restricts access to games for profit purposes, is also applied to life-saving drugs and medical devices…

  • @Michael_Lindell
    @Michael_Lindell Год назад +20

    Emulator, Alligator!
    Not for a while, Crocodile!
    (Because they ran out of discs.)

  • @hopeym5337
    @hopeym5337 Год назад +19

    the real crime is Vox's treatment of it's employees. Thank you Jenna for all your amazing work💛

    • @KRUSH-R
      @KRUSH-R Год назад

      Can you please elaborate?

    • @lilyhope432
      @lilyhope432 Год назад +2

      @@KRUSH-R Jenna was laid off from Polygon a few months back for seemingly no reason

  • @ambermiller3751
    @ambermiller3751 Год назад +33

    The opening text for bleem! after the lawsuit did make me laugh

  • @wdfinbllngsly
    @wdfinbllngsly Год назад +150

    Polygon's videos are so interesting, but on such specific topics, I want to know how these creators found these topics

    • @Rippertear
      @Rippertear Год назад +16

      @Xenia © no that's something else

    • @RhizometricReality
      @RhizometricReality Год назад +5

      @@Rippertear thats a bot

    • @Rippertear
      @Rippertear Год назад +11

      @@RhizometricReality I know, that was a joke. sorry

    • @nvrndingsmmr
      @nvrndingsmmr Год назад +7

      @@Rippertear I knew it was a joke, that was a good one, don't worry about it.

    • @johnjone965
      @johnjone965 Год назад +2

      LoL polygon hires professionals. they're reporters paid to dig up info on the game industry all day

  • @greenhowie
    @greenhowie Год назад +16

    Sony had their own damn emulator and yet still copied an open-source project for the PSXmini. And could offer the entire PS1 back catalogue for digital sale on PC just like Metal Gear Solid is on GOG.
    They do not like to make financially logical decisions.

  • @xersys2556
    @xersys2556 Год назад +56

    Hilarious that the games crash of the 80s is blamed on third party unlicensed developers (indies) but the modern game market is only still around because of these indie developers.

    • @eye776
      @eye776 Год назад +15

      Part of the crash of the 80s market was the glut of low effort, low quality carts on the market.
      A less than stellar 5$ title on steam doesn't have the same impact as a 20-40$ cart.
      Also during the 80s consoles actually competed against home computers, something that doesn't really happen today.
      It was a complex market dragged down by a multitude of issues.

  • @AntiCliche
    @AntiCliche Год назад +67

    A rare win for ppl actually trying to share and preserve knowledge hahaha

  • @ed4165
    @ed4165 Год назад +174

    Thank you for all of your hard work! The polygon team knows how to ask (and answer!!) some really neat questions.

  • @EnforcerErik
    @EnforcerErik Год назад +21

    "if you can't beat them, consume them!" I'm going to try to apply this adage to more areas of my life

    • @Bitchpleasistan
      @Bitchpleasistan Год назад +2

      Are you a corporation?

    • @Silver_light77
      @Silver_light77 Год назад +5

      always remember the 3 e's
      embrace their innovations, extend the functionality, and extinguish the competition

    • @EnforcerErik
      @EnforcerErik Год назад +3

      @@Silver_light77 An improvement on eXplore, eXpand, eXploit, eXterminate

  • @Victor-kh5rh
    @Victor-kh5rh Год назад +8

    Massive flashbacks from this video. From playing all of the OG Pokémon games on a windows 98 machine to spending ungodly amount of times to get Bleem! to work. Emulators were such a huge part of the early 00s.

  • @oriongurtner7293
    @oriongurtner7293 Год назад +27

    Ooooh, heres a fun game that managed to _completely_ skirt Nintendo’s legal team by making the game entirely in-house: Zelda Classic
    It’s a game-maker originally designed around rebuilding the original 8bit Legend of Zelda for NES, and has managed to expand over the last two decades into a 16bit-256bit general game maker (with a built in custom code editor) that can make virtually ANY game, from pong to Super Mario 64 (to be fair, SM64 would take immense amounts of time and effort to make on ZC, but it is possible), and play them
    If I recall correctly they’ve gone at it a couple times with Nintendo’s legal team, but the game is entirely proprietary and doesn’t use ripped assets, just nearly identical custom assets, and it specifically creates the games it plays, so nobody can use it exactly like an emulator (which are, as shown in the video, tenuously legal in nature anyway)
    It’s a fascinating journey, from what was basically just a passion project for custom ‘Zelda Quests’ to a full-blown game-dev application

  • @YuriHabadakas
    @YuriHabadakas Год назад +8

    Right, but as you pointed out, emulators persist to this day, and as everyone (but publishers) knows piracy is unstoppable.
    As it happens, I played Breath of the Wild on my PC, exclusively. I don't own any Nintendo hardware. I did actually go to a shop and buy a physical copy of the game, which is still sitting on my kitchen counter unopened, and which I'll donate to a childrens' hospital or something when I have the chance.

  • @ChrisJBT2
    @ChrisJBT2 Год назад +2

    I got an anti-piracy ad on this video. I don't think I've seen an anti-piracy ad in like 20 years.

  • @Sifeus
    @Sifeus Год назад +8

    Polygon absolutely foolish to lay off Jenna

  • @SmokeyChipOatley
    @SmokeyChipOatley Год назад +10

    Imagine Steve Jobs’ reaction if Sony decided to release a Mac OS clone for PS1 back then… Something tells me Apple would immediately change their tune about less-than-official emulation. Don’t get me wrong, I strongly support fan emulation for old out of print games/systems. I just don’t understand how they thought they would get away with it without a huge lawsuit from Sony

  • @ILoveEvadingTax
    @ILoveEvadingTax Год назад +11

    the halo thing coming to mac was actually a huge act of loyalty and respect on the part of Bungie for the fans of Marathon, a Mac-exclusive FPS, who were eagerly awaiting Halo as it was part of an elaborate AR game on the forums and understood to be a spiritual and possibly canonical sequel. Realise it's a commercial blunder but I think that's pretty meaningful they did that for fans of the series, something you really don't get any more and I believe it should be celebrated

    • @colbyboucher6391
      @colbyboucher6391 Год назад +4

      Yeah, a lot of that early stuff is archived on the Marathon fan site's story page. I honestly really hope someone can get all of the files to preserve it because it's one of the cooler websites I've seen for something as obscure as Marathon and I'm gonna be *really* sad when it disappears.

  • @CHAOSMOVEMENT
    @CHAOSMOVEMENT 8 месяцев назад

    You are a wealth of gaming knowledge. Subscribed for life!

  • @TheDanishGuyReviews
    @TheDanishGuyReviews Год назад +8

    No matter if it's legal or not, they have enough money already, so it's morally okay.

  • @AlphaOblivion7
    @AlphaOblivion7 Год назад

    Great vid!! Very informative, and you did a great job explaining it

  • @AphidKirby
    @AphidKirby Год назад +1

    This is so fascinating!!! Really cool piece of history that I'm glad got covered!

  • @franciscogarcia7466
    @franciscogarcia7466 Год назад +5

    wow now i hate the video game industry even more

    • @John-Doe-Yo
      @John-Doe-Yo Год назад

      For what reason?

    • @lpnp9477
      @lpnp9477 Год назад

      @@John-Doe-Yo every reason is reasonable when it comes to this garbage industry

  • @DeviantEdspear
    @DeviantEdspear Год назад +11

    I think I *had* the weird mac "official" emulator thing. My dad was able to play one of the armored core games on the mac (I think), it was what led me to believe as a dumb kid that I could totally play games on the computer by just popping a gamecube disc in a CD Tray... and thereby scratching a few discs over time.

  • @CanuckMonkey13
    @CanuckMonkey13 Год назад +29

    This was a brilliantly informative piece! As a 45-year-old gamer, I already knew a lot about this subject in general. Even so, I learned a TON of new stuff from this video! VERY well done!

  • @ThatShaggyMatt
    @ThatShaggyMatt Год назад +9

    There's so much Gex in this video, I half expected a Scott the Woz cameo.

  • @lmeeken
    @lmeeken Год назад +1

    "A giant Asterix in the corner" is a truly chilling image.

  • @pedroscoponi4905
    @pedroscoponi4905 Год назад +10

    ....Remasters and re-releases and ports etc that are often extremely overpriced and/or just straight up less stable than the original, too! Hmm 🤔
    And that's to say nothing of games that are innacessible, either because they never released out of Japan, or because they fell into some sort of licensing or availability limbo...

  • @Antiphar
    @Antiphar Год назад +1

    I would love a two-hour companion video where Jenna explains all the detailed legal history and maneuvering found during research.

  • @austinluther5825
    @austinluther5825 Год назад +1

    I remember having to rewrite code to get an emulation of King's Quest VI working. I think it was on DOS Box. Still had to look up how to climb the Sacred Mountain, though. You need the handbook that comes with the game to do itm

  • @NikELbErGErBergel
    @NikELbErGErBergel Год назад +1

    Thats some good content, thank you polygon

  • @golden_starlight_
    @golden_starlight_ Год назад +3

    it's crazy that emulation was tecnically fair use and now we can't even put 2 seconds of some songs in a youtube video without a strike. that asterisk sure does it's job

    • @charliericker274
      @charliericker274 Год назад

      That is youtubes policy though. Nothing to do with law. They can take down whatever they please and they will always side with claimants in order to protect themselves from potential law suits because, technically, they are the ones distributing the copyrighted materiel. A youtube channel isn't something you own, youtube owns it, they host the data, they send it out to people.

  • @Kane_the_Newschool_DM
    @Kane_the_Newschool_DM Год назад

    As you were fading out to the outro with the funny remarstered list I just heard Hbomberguy's "-and ISN'T THE VIDEO GAMES INDUSTRY TOTALLY *NORMAL AND FINE?*" in my head

  • @ItsCaramelToffee
    @ItsCaramelToffee Год назад

    These videos are so amazing. Deep dives into the history of our culture are so important and meaningful. Thank you for making these things I watch.

  • @GreenBunny.
    @GreenBunny. Год назад +1

    Your voice is calming subscribed!

  • @kittavares4334
    @kittavares4334 Год назад

    Dreaming In Neon/Michael Saba did a video essay precisely about this just last week (under the guise of a Panzer Dragoon review), it's great.

  • @NovaSaber
    @NovaSaber Год назад +2

    There was also a pre-crash court case that's relevant, that involved reverse-engineering hardware. Coleco made an add-on for the Colecovision that played Atari 2600 games; Atari sued, and lost.

  • @RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr
    @RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr Год назад

    Bleem and then Bleemcast were my first introductions to emulators ;but hand coding a working copy of X.M.U.G.E.N. (EVE copy with all characters and stages) including the select (dot) def file to make the best emulator work on my modded Xbox was the coolest.

  • @ThinkSnipser
    @ThinkSnipser Год назад

    Great research as usual!

  • @rionsanura
    @rionsanura Год назад +6

    also, this is a really interesting topic

  • @pacicidal
    @pacicidal Год назад

    More and more, the idea I had as an early teen of a unified gaming platform makes more and more sense.

  • @beatsbyandrew
    @beatsbyandrew Год назад

    Wow this is a well written and researched explanation!

  • @TARINunit9
    @TARINunit9 Год назад +2

    A reminder that when tech nerds opened up the NES Classic, they found metadata from emulation websites already inside.

  • @amandajas6287
    @amandajas6287 Год назад

    The best part of that famous anti-piracy ad was the IT Crowd parody of it.

  • @MakotoIchinose
    @MakotoIchinose Год назад +3

    One of the flaw behind "emulator is illegal" stigma is that it assumes it comes with illegally distributed ROM/games to play, which is not the case at all.
    In the most legal case, you'd obtain the real hardware in modded condition, dump the BIOS and the games you have with that real hardware, and keep it to yourself to play with the emulator with enhancements and whatnot.
    The console's copy protection measure is often not implemented likely because it's not worth the effort to do so.
    In short: emulator is not the problem, the ROM piracy is.

  • @Austin25254
    @Austin25254 Год назад +2

    Notice in the crash bandicoot demo that the player is intentional avoiding the rewarding crates. It must of crashed the emulator if he hit them.

  • @secureb00t39
    @secureb00t39 Год назад

    this is a very important message that very few people ever hear. So much miscommunication in this field.

  • @AceJohnny80
    @AceJohnny80 Год назад +2

    I’ve started guessing who made a given Polygon videos before watching, and this topic felt very Jenna 😀

  • @cemmy410
    @cemmy410 Год назад

    4:00 celebrity cameo: horizontally spinning rat 😍

  • @artistwithouttalent
    @artistwithouttalent Год назад

    Intentionally or not, you captured my thoughts on the matter in the last sentence: "... and REE-"

  • @RobertDW1
    @RobertDW1 4 месяца назад +1

    Rockstar was so desperate for money they filed a lawsuit against Remedy.
    Remedy’s Logo doesn’t look anything like the Rockstar logo.
    And the crazy thing is Remedy is developing games for Rockstar.

  • @reedbalen
    @reedbalen Год назад

    Very interesting Jenna, great stuff

  • @MattCraftDotDerp
    @MattCraftDotDerp Год назад

    I saw the thumbnail and thought we'd be talking about the hit Game & Watch game _Mario's Bombs Away_ in which Mario serves in Vietnam, but alas.

  • @thatonecactus1878
    @thatonecactus1878 Год назад

    Dang, Sony really pulled the Kirby "if you can't beat em, eat em"

  • @Chris_W.
    @Chris_W. Год назад +1

    Jenna’s sneaky EverQuest reference got me such 99-00s backlash. You wake up, it’s 2001, and instead of studying for your 7th grade science test, you log onto EQ to play your iksar monk while drinking a Mountain Dew® Code Red® for breakfast.

  • @skelejor
    @skelejor Год назад +19

    as always, jenna made a video that fucking slaps. yall are so talented but jennas videos always hit my particular niche of weird history and style of analysis. keep up the good work

  • @adcaptandumvulgus4252
    @adcaptandumvulgus4252 Год назад

    Ah, EQ nostalgia, I think my last game disk was D&D online collectors founders box.

  • @kilobytedump
    @kilobytedump Год назад

    That was an excellent, funny and well presented, video. 👏

  • @byebyecitybyebye
    @byebyecitybyebye Год назад

    fascinating as always, jenna!

  • @NoobGamer64-gj4ic
    @NoobGamer64-gj4ic 8 месяцев назад +1

    Emulator is *ILLEGAL*
    Changed my mind.

    • @Jokerxeno1
      @Jokerxeno1 7 месяцев назад

      No one cares about your opinion, go be a capitalist corporate sl@ve somewhere else

  • @Kokorisu
    @Kokorisu Год назад

    Convinced that this entire video is just a subliminal ad for Jenna's eBay listing for the entire collection of Gex games.

  • @ttam809
    @ttam809 Год назад

    This is a great video with an awesome level of analysis and jokes that really hit my sense of Humor. I miss Jenna and wish her the best in what she's doing now.

  • @b1g_m00n
    @b1g_m00n Год назад

    there were a lot of people bringing up everquest when that doofus had that viral thread/ linkedin post about interconnected blockchain games. I'd love to get a first-person account of what *that* was like

  • @joffa99m44
    @joffa99m44 Год назад +26

    The monopoly Nintendo has with its exclusives is like a shoot in the foot. They are the only ones who has Zelda, Mario and Pokemon.
    With their marketing strategy, restricting it to there consoles, never putting there stuff on a reasonable sale and reminding us of nostalgia and forcing us passively to realise ( the only way to see there stuff is to submit, much like Disney).
    Hence the marketing strategy is going to allways be filled with emulators, since they are limiting themselves. They would make more money if they partned up every ones in a while with consoles but allways with pc. That way someone would allways buy there games.
    Personal story I've ownd a wii evrer since it got out and have waited years for Wind Waker to be remastered to a console that is not the Wii U. 16 stinking years. I will have it in one way or another, port it to switch damit.

    • @LutraLovegood
      @LutraLovegood Год назад +4

      It's part of the brand image now, first party Nintendo games are all exclusives and never go on sale.

    • @joffa99m44
      @joffa99m44 Год назад +3

      @@LutraLovegoodThanks for mentioning that. I know. Its like talking to a stubborn donkey or a 4 year old. Like no one is impressed by a person who sticks to there principles if they don't lead to anything of value. The real money is not to be stubborn, its buy making consumers worship you, evaluating flaws and improvements and make up for mistakes.
      -Don't say companies need to stick to there principles, Il copy paste above section. If YOU want an company to be a success. You need 3 things take risks, be realistic and moats important adapt to your surroundings weather you like it or not. See dead weight, consume it, sell it or improve it.

    • @NightFlyStudio
      @NightFlyStudio Год назад +7

      This seems to me like a very uninformed response. Accusing Nintendo of a "Monopoly" with the IP they created just sounds silly as hell. Sony and Microsoft have exclusives as well for their 1st party IP. Are they "Monopolies" too? Console exclusives have been a thing for a while now and this is the first time I've ever seen someone equate them to being monopolistic.
      There was also recently a huge Nintendo 1st party sale (It's actually still going on right now) and you can often find Nintendo 1st party software well below MSRP. But the reason why you never see their games go down to $5 like their competition is because the market finds their software worth the price. Their evergreen titles continue to sell like brand new games year on year. So like most businesses, what do you do? Sell 10,000 copies of Mario Odyssey at $45 or 10,000 copies of Mario Odyssey at $5? That just doesn't make any sense. Especially when the games are continuing to sell at a decent rate years down the line.
      I also hear a lot of people touting that Switch is pandering to nostalgia when the software sales paint an entirely different story. Take Zelda: Breath of the Wild for instance. Zelda as a series has never really topped 4-9 million sales per release. Even on the Wii and DS. However, Breath of the Wild on Switch alone has surpassed 27 Million sales. Now, where did those extra 20+ Million consumers come from? Couldn't have been nostalgia. They are creating new fans as well as bringing in old fans. Switch is home to the best selling 1st party Nintendo games ever. This is proof that they are not relying on nostalgia to support their products.
      If you want to steal their new games and pirate them, go ahead. I can't stop anyone from doing that. But it's not something I see worth bragging about or shouting from the rooftops like most people do. I choose to pay for something that brings me joy and let it count as a vote that "Yes, more games like this should be made".

    • @onecommunistboi
      @onecommunistboi Год назад +1

      @@joffa99m44 My friend, you seem to be making this single mistake very consistently so I thought, I'd mention it, ignore me if you don't care about this kinda stuff
      You use "there" when you should use "their". Here are some examples to clear up the respecitve usages of these two words:
      My friend lost their glasses.
      They don't release their games on PC.
      The French and their food are weird.
      Is there any milk left?
      The exit is over there.
      There can only be one.

    • @joffa99m44
      @joffa99m44 Год назад +6

      @@onecommunistboi Thanks grammar police;) No but seriously thanks, I need to improve and take it more seriously since I have dyslexia.

  • @Rootsradical808
    @Rootsradical808 Год назад

    EverQuest was so much fun, amazing for it's time. Never heard about this about playstation and mac

  • @JamesMSmithsDeadYouTubeChannel

    This is absolutely the most gamer thing I’ve seen all day.
    And I’m leaving it at that.

  • @dr.decker3623
    @dr.decker3623 Год назад

    NES can have the block out chip clipped to play all regions, and every other Cart based console (snes, N64, Genesis) is only locked out by the shape of the cartridge/console cart slot, all you need to do for N64 / Snes is file down the parts that block the insert, or like the Sega, just use a game genie/shark which don't have physical lock out, and voila.

  • @MaskedGuyCh
    @MaskedGuyCh Год назад

    Darksiders Warmastered Edition was such a great game. Easily my favorite of the trilogy.
    I hope Darksiders 4 will be more like it.

  • @florbz5821
    @florbz5821 Год назад +1

    Gex 5: The next Gexeration is gonna be lit

  • @thedigitalodometer945
    @thedigitalodometer945 Год назад

    “I haven’t seen an area so grey since the original PlayStation.”
    ~ Gex

  • @pumplesdorskiner
    @pumplesdorskiner Год назад +14

    I have often thought that the biggest obstacle to video games being appreciated as an art form is the fact that they're often tied to consoles. The day you can open up any old machine and pull out Call of Duty: Red Dawn Redemption Crisis and put in Banjo Kazooie is the day the beautiful craft will be available for the masses to scrutinize and uplift the select few into the status of art.

    • @shockofthenew
      @shockofthenew Год назад +5

      Yes! It seems to me like the entire existence of proprietary software which can only be played if you own certain pieces of hardware has only ever been for profit-driven reasons, but the end result is no ordinary person will have the ability to just access and choose between all games - you have to pick which piece of hardware you can afford (if any) and then be limited only to that catalogue forever.
      As someone who grew up too poor to afford a console, and is now an adult designing video games, it's really weird to feel like I just lack the vast majority of basic gaming knowledge/experience that my richer contemporaries had - whereas as someone who grew up poor and also wanted to make movies, at least I had the option to potentially rent/borrow any movie and be able to play it, or record any movie playing on tv. There weren't entire libraries of classic movies which were off-limits to me... although I guess with streaming services that's becoming more of an issue, but at least you can switch between streaming services without incurring any extra cost - unlike buying a new gaming console.

  • @TheSandington
    @TheSandington Год назад

    Nice Invincible Czars poster!

  • @scyence
    @scyence Год назад +5

    Gosh I love Jenna

  • @UncannyMelon
    @UncannyMelon Год назад

    This was a fantastic tour of near millennia emulator legal developments and how things could have been.

  • @KillahMate
    @KillahMate Год назад +3

    Video game emulation is now _better_ than a 'real legitimate business' (a dubious distinction at the best of times, really): it's now a staple open source category. 'Real legitimate businesses' get bought out by Sony and are never heard from again. Open source projects live forever.

  • @GabrielGSVSG
    @GabrielGSVSG Год назад

    Nice video, and a awesome FLUMINENSE shirt! I love it!

  • @scottbrewer474
    @scottbrewer474 Год назад

    Dang, now I want to play Myth 2: Soulblighter!

  • @gabrieloliveiralima3772
    @gabrieloliveiralima3772 Год назад

    Great video, and with it I am glad to say I beat all Megaman Legends and also Final Fantasy 7 og on the duckstation last year and it's 100% legal and will never be a crime.

  • @JM-Games
    @JM-Games Год назад

    Wow, the last time I bought software on a disk was Everquest 2.. I guess that must have been around the time they became irrelevant.

  • @Epinardscaramel
    @Epinardscaramel Год назад

    1:00 Good times 🥰
    2:37 That too 😅

  • @speedtracker9556
    @speedtracker9556 5 месяцев назад +1

    Why would I ever be wrong about emulators being illegal?!

  • @SureyD
    @SureyD Год назад +2

    I had never heard of the VGS! And also didn't understand how they ran out of copies until you stated the reason, haha! Truly a different era for software distribution. But also company money-is-power absorption practices haven't changed. Wild.

  • @Mudkip_lieker13
    @Mudkip_lieker13 Год назад

    Oh thank god I was feeling bad but I remembered it’s kinda like the switch online I paid for the computer so I unlock a lot of old games

  • @leoryzap
    @leoryzap Год назад

    great content, thank you