She fell for the narratives from coaches, pundits, media, and pundits that CC was not very good. In fact, some pretty explicitly said she would not survive the WNBA. Every chance these people get they still try to marginalize CC.
They did not grow the women's game. The women's Team USA Olympic viewership shows that. The WNBA execs were just collecting their paychecks for the past 15 years and should be fired.
Caitlin is a phenom! And she’s just getting started! Not only is she loved for her incredible bball intelligence, her unparalleled court vision/view, her exciting style of play & logo 3’s, and her spectacular passing, she is adored for her genuinely good character! She lifts everyone up with compliments & shine! And, she is to her fans a kid sister, a daughter, a niece, that friend that never got you into trouble! She is beloved by her tribe of Iowa to Indiana fans that live all over America & the world!
Didn't think Caitlin Clark was that good? She was not a good player in college, she was historically good, in the discussion for greatest of all time. For crying out loud, you just had to watch the games, watch the crowds to figure out what she was. She was not a hidden gem, she was an entire diamond mine.
I think Mick is exactly right. I think much of the league is coming around to CC. They have seen that she's a good person. They've seen that she doesn't have a huge ego. They've watched her get knocked around, but not complain and get right back up and keep going and keep improving. They saw her get treated pretty brutally early in the season, and at least most of them probably realized that wasn't right. They've seen and played in front of the huge crowds, and they've experienced the improvement in working conditions and have seen the further improvements that are to come. They've seen her have the weight of the league and her rabid fandom on her shoulders, and they've seen her handle it well. I think she has overcome much of the skepticism and resistance that her coming into the league was met with, and that she has earned the respect of many, and those that are not in support of her will become increasingly a minority.
He's wrong about Engelbert. She is definitely not better than Adam Silver. She would have cost the WNBA hundreds of millions of dollars undervaluing what the tv contracts was worth. She's basically a placeholder and ribbon cutter, maybe a bean counter but not an operations person.
No Mick, Engelbert has been complete DS. She has been MIA all of the first half of the season. Lin Dunn had to complain about the treatment CC was receiving. Engelbert was a Marketing Specialist that is why she got her job. Along with her connections to potential top sponsorships and Fortune 500 companies. She did not identify the fans CC had and constantly ran out of CC merchandise. I believe she got a phone call from Adam Silver. I believe Silver told her recently not to F this up. I also believe that message got to Dunn and Sides. D & S had an about face over the break.
Did they not watch college basketball?! Did they not see her break all records?! That she took Iowa IOWA to 2 straight championship gamesWhat are they smoking?
Forget the pundits, jealous vets, haters I saw a segment in 2023 where people were lining up two days before a game to watch her play. Then I watched her play her scoring was spectacular but knowing how the pro game works the one thing I knew she would quickly master was her passing skills and how well she understands the game. First her coach talks about breaking her bad habits, then the league saddles her with a marathon schedule and the teams make her the number one target and yet here she is. The hype has been real and both the Fever and the WNBA should be sued for malpractice.
Aliyha Boston was the one person that realised Caitlin Carter’s potential. In an interview before CC was drafted she made it clear - it was not CC three point shooting she expected to transition but her assists. A second comment about Angel Reese - to me it sounds like Reese decided to use CC as inspiration for being as good as she could. Not copying CC but use CC drive to be better. A similar way as Larry Bird used Magic Johnson as an inspiration to be better. (Interview with Bird in the Magic and Bird documentary) I have a feeling we will see similar things happen with other players. Maybe the biggest thing CC will do for women BB is to inspire other players to reach new hights (similar to Michael Jordan in the NBA)
I have to strongly disagree. All Englbert had to do is ask Labron, Steph or and other idiot could have told her. Anyone should be able to figure out that the all time college scoring champion and one of the greatest playmakers of all-time. Anyone who's taken one remedial class in public relations would know that you don't minimize your most popular players. She refused to look at the non foul calls on Clark for 15 games. She's mishandling the Aces scandals. And there is a reason for it. She's incredibly unqualified for a league that's growing. She's an accountant brought in to decrease WNBA losses. She knows nothing about basketball, marketing or integrity.
How can you say things like this...all the NBA players who watched CC play knew Caitlin was going to be the best player in the WNBA....obviously the commissioner should damn well should have known if she is going to be in her position. The records she has been breaking have never been done. THERE IS NO PLAYER in the league more impact...period. wilson could not do what CC is doing. Sorry Reese is not even in the same conversation...thats just dumb.
Well maybe the WNBA should do more research on players and less on womens rights, gender equality, gay rights and how to be a victim of whatevers popular this week. Recrute GOOD, ENTERTAINING ball players and become a legit money making business and league.
All these haters that are, all of the sudden, walking back their opinions on CC have been “talked to” by the big-wigs behind the scenes. They’ve been told: “Not only have you cost us money & shit on a once in a lifetime opportunity for growth & success, you’re making us look like complete ass holes. Stop! Or else…..” These people haven’t changed their mind about CC, they’ve been threatened. Haters gonna hate…..
highest tv ratings, sold out arenas, Caitlin shooting better than any of the WNBA player as a rookie and has adapted in about ten games. she has been double teamed more than any of them, has broken more records as a rookie than any of them, got a Nike and a Wilson endorsement. her Nike endorsement pays more than Taurasi whole career. the people are speaking, you just need to get rid of the stupid.
It is ridiculous. No women’s player has drawn the ratings CC has. In women’s basketball history. This commish is an accountant and knows marketing not at all. No other players are coming that will bring these eyeballs. Not even Paige. They missed their moment
@@vincente4570 The league has never once made a profit. Yes, NBA subsidized. But leaving money on the table due to ignorance or mismanagement is beyond stupid. For crying out loud, CC's $125 All Star jersey sold out in less than 10 minutes. Stevie Wonder could see that one coming. For over a month you couldn't get a Kate Martin jersey due to selling out almost immediately. My first call when they sold out would have been to the distributor for another run. And to put customers on back order. Merchandising has been a huge part of Collegiate sports. The W is bush league when it comes to finance and merchandising. It's a new day. Time to do your job. People are now watching.
Mick, why in the heck do you keep giving this league more credit than it deserves. The commissioner, some GM’s and a few coaches are terrible. They’re terrible at their jobs and a few are terrible people.
I don't believe the WNBA commissioner. Not for a second. They KNEW how good Caitlin was. The commissioner knew, or should have known, that opposing teams were physically beating the hell out of Caitlin, constantly. The commissioner knew, or should have known, that opposing teams were double and sometimes triple guarding her all the way down the damn court. Don't tell me the commissioner was watching and thinking, oh, I guess Caitlin Clark isn't that good of a player if she cannot play well when we beat the hell out of her and guard her the way we never guard anybody else, let alone a rookie. She effinjg KNEW. And of course the commissioner was in on the highly abusive opening schedule which forced the least experienced team in the league to play the top three teams repeatedly with no more than a days rest and sometimes without even that during the first 20 days of the season. So, no, the Commissioner is lying to cover her ass when she says, oh, gee, we did not know. She knew. They all knew. And they beat the hell out of Clark as their reward for her being that good. This is just more of the STENCH of the old WNBA. Caitlin Clark is a better person than I am, because if I were Clark, I would hate the hell out of all these bastards for the rest of my career! hahahaha
POS Sides was in Phoenix for the All Star Game. She had to see the treatment CC was getting from the Phoenix fans and players. Sides and Dunn know the Phoenix owner wants CC. All of a sudden Indiana Fever is pumping out videos of CC and going on podcast saying never heard before positive things about CC. Might be worried if the CBA is torn up in 2026, CC is gone.
Fuck all that! How about that the NBA didn’t bring out a women’s league back in the 80s when Cheryl Miller was the throw back version of this Caitlin Clark hysteria hun🤷🏿. Ask about that one paaaaaaaaaa
Gday Mick, cheers from Oz , love your channel ya mad Irishman, the wnba commissioner is an absolute moron, shouod hsve been well ready for CC comin in, thevrest of the league players now need to play catch up to both her playing skill and iq. Keep the videos comin mate ☺☺☺
The PROBLEM with this Commissioner is #1 The Referees are “HORRIBLE”. Get on These Referees to Call FRAGRANT FOULS or Over Aggressive Fouls when made. This Prison Basketball, Roller Derby HITTING has GOT TO STOP. #2 The Schedule The WNBA gave The INDIANA FEVER, at the beginning of the Season, was “HORRIBLE”. 11 Games in 21 Days and 2 Back to Back Games is “RIDICULOUS”. This Commissioner has been “DISAPPOINTING”.
Angel Reese being a revelation... c'mon bro, she can't even finish a lay-up and went 4-14 last night which is on par for her season numbers! Until she can finish at the rim she's just mid-level.
REALLY, She scheduled the Fever against the best teams the first 3 weeks.... Setting attendance records Setting Gate $$ records Teams moved to bigger arenas Merch $$$$ at all time high Fever averagerage 16000+ home attendance If she is that ignorant, she could have looked at the BIG 10 and would have seen that she WAS/IS the REAL DEAL. Enjoy your takes but the Commissioner is a reactive, not pro active business idiot, Agree to Disagree
@@bradkofron6022 no your very spot on. The thinking that it wouldn’t last should have been let’s ride this whirlwind for all it’s worth. You had the world salivating for a chance to see CC and you all let it slide by. I haven’t seen this kind of fan mania since the Beatles and like the Beatles her biggest fans are young girls and boys. A new generation of sports fanatics.
Caitlin is the best pure PG in the WNBA already as a rookie, nobody sees the court like she does, her turnovers were mostly early in the season when her teammate were not ready for passes coming into them, and they were not used to the pace of them or understanding that she didn’t want them to stop and look for the ball but run to the spot and the ball meets them there.
CC scored the most points in NCAA history! She's already proven herself before stepping foot in the WNBA. What makes them think she was going to be anything less? Pretty much everyone watching her knew, and somehow all the people in the WNBA didn't? 😅
CATHEY SHOULD RESIGN, YOU CANT HAVE A PERSON IN CHARGE OF THE WNBA WHO DIDNT KNOW HOW GOOD CLARK IS OR THAT SHES THE MOST POPULAR FEMALE BASKETBALL PLAYER ON THE PLANET, COMES ON AN INTERVIEW AND NEVER GIVES CLARK FULL CREDIT FOR MILLIONS OF EXTRA FANS , MENTIONING ANOTHER PLAYER ,THERE IS ONLY ONE PLAYER WHERE HER GAMES HAVE TO BE MOVED TO BIGGER STADIUMS FOR CROWD ATTENDANCE ,THATS CLARK , CATHEY IS THE HEAD OF THE ORGANIZATION , DOES SHE NOT WATCH HER OWN PRODUCT WORKING ,SOME BUSINESS WOMAN , NO WONDER THERE BROKE
The basketball moms need to retire and have business ppl run the league. That's why it's called the welfare NBA. So much racism and jealousness of some players.
You people are supposed to be professionals. If you watched her play you could see she was different there are people that are born with things the rest of us don't have.
If other players used CC as a model in post game interviews and their off court personality of professionalism, they would be much more marketable and likable, but some players dont have the capability to see themselves as a brand so they wont be able to change who they are.
Evidently they Were REALLY Not Paying Attention Until she Started breaking Every One Of The Old Timers RECORDS And Butt Hurting the WHOLE LEAGUE Over It And the Fact that these So Called Greats Are Bent About It Makes Me Laugh
To be fair to her, nothing like this has ever happened before. Not at this level. I’m concerned that they might over compensate in the future and hype future rookies that won’t end up being as good as expected. I agree that it seems like Christie Sides got a memo because she is praising CC hard all of a sudden. And the social media team has made a noticeable shift lately.
Huh....the entire league went into never seen before defensive pressure on a rookie. Someone knew Clark was a notch above talent wise and you're cutting the commissioner slack? NO, she is example #1 why the wnba has been a smoldering smoking fire as a business instead of a full blown blaze.
Englebert set up CC for failure, and not be on the Olympics by scheduling the bottom dwelling Fever to play 4 top teams in 9 of the first 13 games. Englebert did nothing to protect CC, didn’t even suspend Chennedy for assaulting her. CC should sue the WNBA for physical and mental abuse.
She is a crappy commissioner. She didn’t handle the Clark situation professionally. This was a once in a millennium situation. She should have had all of the coaches and gms saying nothing but positive things about CC. And she should have had Clark and Reese on the Olympic team. She totally blew it. That mistake is termination worthy. What else has she done? TV money is all Clark. Planes are all Clark. She’s totally crapped the bed.
IF she's not the real deal. The numbers of views and fans and people TELLING EVERYONE that we want to watch caitlin clark... should have been enough to prepare, there's no excuses.
"You know the greatest female basketball player anyone has ever seen play the game? Yeah, we don't think she's actually going to be that good." 🤣😆 Incredible.
False, the very fact that you don't need LeaugePass to watch CC because all her games are on networks tells me they had a clue. I think that ridiculously hard first half was to make her face top teams quickly.
It is time to clean house at the wnba - this group has failed women’s basketball - let’s bring in new blood and people who can move women’s basketball into the future.
Angel Reese is this good this quick because CC elevates the competition. She makes people be better. Her own team. The teams she plays. The game itself.
5:51 hi 😂 lol this is true. I’m from Boston originally, I’m diehard for Boston sports especially the Celtics and Tatum, and I recorded multiple Celtics playoff games so I could watch the Fever play live 😳🫣🤭
i agree with 95% of what you said... i did not expected AR to be that dominant rebounder...but lets face it ! she isn't even close to CC level! you said it.... she isn't shooting at the level she expected to do the logos ... yet with the defense she facing (that's not how you guard a Rookie that "not that good" !!! ) and she still got better fg% then Reese who mostly shoot from 2-3 ft ! and while doing her thing she actually improve the all Fever team while AR actually hurt the Sky and her teammates (mostly Cardoso and Carter!)
people at the beginning of the season were saying that she would be better tooled as a traditional shooting guard and she was forced to play pg at Iowa bc she was their best player and i fell for it a little. like no that girl is a thoroughbred modern pg. she was responsible for around as much of the offense and play making at Iowa (obviously there are very talented contributors) as she is right now on a league team and it's blowing my mind a little
You must not have watched her at Iowa. NCAA D1 2022-23 season Caitlin Clark was the leader in assists per game, then NCAA D1 2023-24 season Caitlin Clark again was the leader in assists per game. Clark was also a great rebounder for a guard having 17 triple doubles for points, rebounds and assists while in college at Iowa. Caitlin Clark is the All Time Scorer for men and for women in NCAA D1 history; Clark is also #3 All Time for assists in Women's D1 Basketball history. There has never been a woman basketball player like her. For men Oscar Robinson, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, LeBron James and several other men are comparable, among women she is uniquely incredible.
You need to quit if there’s no Caitlin there’s no angel Reese, everything angel Reese is getting is by players letting her the rebounds she acquired the double double was a gimmick.
Mick is way off base. The commissioner and the marketing VP nearly made a $50 million/year, $500 million over 10 years mistake with the tv contracts. People get fired for much less. No one can credibly defend them unless they are putting up clickbait.
ROTY is not a race. oddsmakers; CC -2,000, AR +700. CC MVP Top 5, No listing of AR in the MVP I'm going to let you reason that one out Mick Still gave you a like and watched the video to finish...so the like counts.
@@vincente4570 Touchy, touchy...does capping mean comparing ? ROTY odds above speak for themselves MVP Top 5; 1) Aja Wilson -3000 2) Jewell Lloyd +4500 3) CC, Sabrina Ionescu and Alyssa Thomas +7500...tie for 3td Given that CC is in the MVP Top 5, Can we at least agree that AR needs to make MVP Top 5 consideration before before being considered frontrunner for ROTY?
We already knew that people affiliated with thecW and W alumni working in the media don't see the value in her on the court. The W is in the place that the NBA was in during the late 80's and 90's. Older nba fans hold similar opinions when it comes to modern players. There is just a bias toward the modern game.
I am sure you knew or suspected that your other persona as a born and bred analyst would come to the fore in the Olympics interregnum. Your 'follow along' commentary does have a whiff of the Wild Irishman about it, which makes your shows into entertainment that elevates what's happening on the floor (mostly). But your analysis, when it's all we have to listen to right now, is like a Mick Master Class in the history, politics, gory details and up-to-the moment reporting of the WNBA, at a brilliant level. You might find a way to integrate more of the analytical side into your regular season commentary, because it sheds light. You are an educator at heart. I like it.
CC is the face of the Girl Next Door that all parents admire and respect . She is going to bring down the lbgtq communities control of women's sport . The Olympic Games disrespect to all sportsmen and women was highlighted by the swim in the Sienne , the local sewerage was delicious . Then you add the BOXING and it all becomes more clear . And the WNBA is the driving force for this community that has expanded to all sports . I pkay pool and a trans has a state position on the women's team . CAITLIN is bringing fear to the community . The girl next door all parents like
it doesn't matter about her being 'good'. she is money. she is fans. she is advertising. she is charter flying not commercial. she is entertainment in an entertainment industry. cc, not angel, is bringing in all those things.
Caitlin Clark gives viewers what ppl watch women's basketball for - fundamentals, play making, movement off the.ball etc Women's basketball is not going grab views from men's game by trying to outdunk the mens
Post Olympics everyone knows without a doubt that CC is the business. She should leave the WNBA and start her own women's league with some big money backers. The WNBA would crap themselves.
@Micktalkssportspodcast lies and BS How could they not know the Caitlyn would not have an effect? They didn't want her to succeed.They wanted to control the outcome. The initial eleven games were brutal. What if it was a normal schedule? Mick , have you ever looked at the attendance rates of her career? She had fifty-five thousand people at an exhibition game! Just look at all her stats all of them....Among guards, Caitlin is number one in assist number one in rebounds, Is number one in blocks, Number 4 in Steals and number 6 in points. And this is after the gauntlet they faced in the first 11 games. She was the first player with the stats she had not to get player of the week or month. She got the Rookie triple-double, and in general, Catlins stats are amazing. She got no recognition and the WNBA actually just.tries to minimize Catlin. Definitely lying and BS
What if after the media deal was done, Adam Silver said to the heads of the WNBA "you better start promoting your superstar or you are fired"...may be that happened... just a theory
Can we take a quick minute to talk about how Cathy Engelbert's dress in the first pic looks like mosaic censoring implying she's actually not wearing anything???
Are you drunk? She's better than Adam silver? She didn't even know cc was this big? If she's commis she's supposed to know a lot about cc since she's the #1 pick! They fumbled the bag with her not playing at the Olympics. Top of this how do you not get enough merchandise of caitlin's knowing how popular she is. From the beginning she didn't even see the cc effect knowing how many viewers she was getting at any game she played. Come on man. On top of this she was being protected bcuz just with chennedy Carter incident she should've had her suspended and she didn't do anything not even a flagrant 2 foul! Adam silver would've suspended any player for that incident
"No one thought Angel Reese would be this good"?! 😄 I thought the college basket ball fans certainly knew it? But yea, WNBA missed it just like they missed Clark.
I mean what did they expect if you can read charts and analytics its a no brainer. Even if you assumed she would only produces at 50% of the level she did in college as an adjustment she still looks great on paper...
She fell for the narratives from coaches, pundits, media, and pundits that CC was not very good. In fact, some pretty explicitly said she would not survive the WNBA. Every chance these people get they still try to marginalize CC.
They did not grow the women's game. The women's Team USA Olympic viewership shows that. The WNBA execs were just collecting their paychecks for the past 15 years and should be fired.
The problem with this league is that these people don't watch their own product
Agreed. Nor do very many sportswriters or analysts.
@MommaC214 they absolutely don't watch it. I'd gift a sport panel my wnba league pass to get some good commentary for once.
... and yet expect everyone else to.
Unserious people at every level, starting at the top.
You heard what Mick said. Caitlyn is great, but too many of her fans are guano crazy.
Just say woman don't support woman 😂 without saying it head ahh
Caitlin is a phenom! And she’s just getting started! Not only is she loved for her incredible bball intelligence, her unparalleled court vision/view, her exciting style of play & logo 3’s, and her spectacular passing, she is adored for her genuinely good character! She lifts everyone up with compliments & shine! And, she is to her fans a kid sister, a daughter, a niece, that friend that never got you into trouble! She is beloved by her tribe of Iowa to Indiana fans that live all over America & the world!
Didn't think Caitlin Clark was that good? She was not a good player in college, she was historically good, in the discussion for greatest of all time.
For crying out loud, you just had to watch the games, watch the crowds to figure out what she was. She was not a hidden gem, she was an entire diamond mine.
Most Caitlin fans are going to support Caitlin no matter what!!
I think Mick is exactly right. I think much of the league is coming around to CC. They have seen that she's a good person. They've seen that she doesn't have a huge ego. They've watched her get knocked around, but not complain and get right back up and keep going and keep improving. They saw her get treated pretty brutally early in the season, and at least most of them probably realized that wasn't right. They've seen and played in front of the huge crowds, and they've experienced the improvement in working conditions and have seen the further improvements that are to come. They've seen her have the weight of the league and her rabid fandom on her shoulders, and they've seen her handle it well. I think she has overcome much of the skepticism and resistance that her coming into the league was met with, and that she has earned the respect of many, and those that are not in support of her will become increasingly a minority.
He's wrong about Engelbert. She is definitely not better than Adam Silver. She would have cost the WNBA hundreds of millions of dollars undervaluing what the tv contracts was worth. She's basically a placeholder and ribbon cutter, maybe a bean counter but not an operations person.
They Were Trying To Set Clark Up For Failure, 11 Games In 19 Days. All That Backfired On There Sorry A$$es, Now There Eating Crow.
Yes...I TENTIONAL AND REESE US NOT INCREDIBLE...DENNIS RODMAN AND NO RACE HT EHAR THEY CR
REATED...NIAVE MAN.
No, they're eating "Clark" bars...
No Mick, Engelbert has been complete DS. She has been MIA all of the first half of the season. Lin Dunn had to complain about the treatment CC was receiving. Engelbert was a Marketing Specialist that is why she got her job. Along with her connections to potential top sponsorships and Fortune 500 companies. She did not identify the fans CC had and constantly ran out of CC merchandise. I believe she got a phone call from Adam Silver. I believe Silver told her recently not to F this up. I also believe that message got to Dunn and Sides. D & S had an about face over the break.
She’s a marketing specialist? Their marking has been crap!
Facts
Did they not watch college basketball?! Did they not see her break all records?! That she took Iowa IOWA to 2 straight championship gamesWhat are they smoking?
Caitlin's fans are HERE THROUGH UPS AND DOWNS.....PERIOD 🎉
The league will have to redesign the logo after Clark retires.
Forget the pundits, jealous vets, haters I saw a segment in 2023 where people were lining up two days before a game to watch her play. Then I watched her play her scoring was spectacular but knowing how the pro game works the one thing I knew she would quickly master was her passing skills and how well she understands the game. First her coach talks about breaking her bad habits, then the league saddles her with a marathon schedule and the teams make her the number one target and yet here she is. The hype has been real and both the Fever and the WNBA should be sued for malpractice.
Maybe that’s why you have men running sports leagues don’t chu think🤷🏿
Aliyha Boston was the one person that realised Caitlin Carter’s potential. In an interview before CC was drafted she made it clear - it was not CC three point shooting she expected to transition but her assists.
A second comment about Angel Reese - to me it sounds like Reese decided to use CC as inspiration for being as good as she could. Not copying CC but use CC drive to be better. A similar way as Larry Bird used Magic Johnson as an inspiration to be better. (Interview with Bird in the Magic and Bird documentary)
I have a feeling we will see similar things happen with other players.
Maybe the biggest thing CC will do for women BB is to inspire other players to reach new hights (similar to Michael Jordan in the NBA)
Anyone with functioning brain could see how good Caitlyn Clark was before she stepped one foot in the WNBA.
Exactly...you have to be a moron to miss a talent like hers.
Shes lying. She knew how good CC was/is. She WANTED CC to not be that good.
I have to strongly disagree. All Englbert had to do is ask Labron, Steph or and other idiot could have told her. Anyone should be able to figure out that the all time college scoring champion and one of the greatest playmakers of all-time. Anyone who's taken one remedial class in public relations would know that you don't minimize your most popular players. She refused to look at the non foul calls on Clark for 15 games. She's mishandling the Aces scandals. And there is a reason for it. She's incredibly unqualified for a league that's growing. She's an accountant brought in to decrease WNBA losses. She knows nothing about basketball, marketing or integrity.
Remember she's worked for Deloitte. No experience, so she listening to her handlers. Unqualified
As a bean counter?
They knew, they thought they could break her, but they didn't, CC broke them.
How can you say things like this...all the NBA players who watched CC play knew Caitlin was going to be the best player in the WNBA....obviously the commissioner should damn well should have known if she is going to be in her position. The records she has been breaking have never been done. THERE IS NO PLAYER in the league more impact...period. wilson could not do what CC is doing. Sorry Reese is not even in the same conversation...thats just dumb.
Exactly!! You’re spot on 💯!!
Corporate speak for: "Yeah, we don't know what we're doing and will never ever admit it or make changes. You'd be on to us then."
Hey Mick
They ALREADY KNEW, tired of getting
Psycho babbling babblers making excuses for THEIR Actions. Just doesn't CUT IT
6:31 the truth is, 75% of her fans (including me) immediately like any player who is nice to her, and will forgive and forget.
Well maybe the WNBA should do more research on players and less on womens rights, gender equality, gay rights and how to be a victim of whatevers popular this week. Recrute GOOD, ENTERTAINING ball players and become a legit money making business and league.
All these haters that are, all of the sudden, walking back their opinions on CC have been “talked to” by the big-wigs behind the scenes. They’ve been told: “Not only have you cost us money & shit on a once in a lifetime opportunity for growth & success, you’re making us look like complete ass holes. Stop! Or else…..”
These people haven’t changed their mind about CC, they’ve been threatened. Haters gonna hate…..
highest tv ratings, sold out arenas, Caitlin shooting better than any of the WNBA player as a rookie and has adapted in about ten games. she has been double teamed more than any of them, has broken more records as a rookie than any of them, got a Nike and a Wilson endorsement. her Nike endorsement pays more than Taurasi whole career. the people are speaking, you just need to get rid of the stupid.
Caitlin Clark IS the show!
She failed to get Clark on the Olympic team. Staggering stupidity.
Win or lose, I love watching Caitlin ❤❤❤
Companies are lining up around the corner and down the street to sign CC
It is ridiculous. No women’s player has drawn the ratings CC has. In women’s basketball history. This commish is an accountant and knows marketing not at all. No other players are coming that will bring these eyeballs. Not even Paige. They missed their moment
How many millions of $$$ do you think the league has left on the table this year? WNBA marketing failure this year.
Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh sir, you do know that the NBA has been paying the bills for that underachieving league for years right? So why u mad paaaaaaaa🤷🏿
@@vincente4570 The league has never once made a profit. Yes, NBA subsidized. But leaving money on the table due to ignorance or mismanagement is beyond stupid. For crying out loud, CC's $125 All Star jersey sold out in less than 10 minutes. Stevie Wonder could see that one coming. For over a month you couldn't get a Kate Martin jersey due to selling out almost immediately. My first call when they sold out would have been to the distributor for another run. And to put customers on back order. Merchandising has been a huge part of Collegiate sports. The W is bush league when it comes to finance and merchandising. It's a new day. Time to do your job. People are now watching.
Mick, why in the heck do you keep giving this league more credit than it deserves. The commissioner, some GM’s and a few coaches are terrible. They’re terrible at their jobs and a few are terrible people.
I don't believe the WNBA commissioner. Not for a second. They KNEW how good Caitlin was. The commissioner knew, or should have known, that opposing teams were physically beating the hell out of Caitlin, constantly. The commissioner knew, or should have known, that opposing teams were double and sometimes triple guarding her all the way down the damn court. Don't tell me the commissioner was watching and thinking, oh, I guess Caitlin Clark isn't that good of a player if she cannot play well when we beat the hell out of her and guard her the way we never guard anybody else, let alone a rookie. She effinjg KNEW. And of course the commissioner was in on the highly abusive opening schedule which forced the least experienced team in the league to play the top three teams repeatedly with no more than a days rest and sometimes without even that during the first 20 days of the season. So, no, the Commissioner is lying to cover her ass when she says, oh, gee, we did not know. She knew. They all knew. And they beat the hell out of Clark as their reward for her being that good. This is just more of the STENCH of the old WNBA. Caitlin Clark is a better person than I am, because if I were Clark, I would hate the hell out of all these bastards for the rest of my career! hahahaha
I didn’t know the WNBA was that bad.
POS Sides was in Phoenix for the All Star Game. She had to see the treatment CC was getting from the Phoenix fans and players. Sides and Dunn know the Phoenix owner wants CC. All of a sudden Indiana Fever is pumping out videos of CC and going on podcast saying never heard before positive things about CC. Might be worried if the CBA is torn up in 2026, CC is gone.
WNBA underestimated the original CC, Cynthia Cooper. History repeats itself.
Fuck all that! How about that the NBA didn’t bring out a women’s league back in the 80s when Cheryl Miller was the throw back version of this Caitlin Clark hysteria hun🤷🏿. Ask about that one paaaaaaaaaa
Gday Mick, cheers from Oz , love your channel ya mad Irishman, the wnba commissioner is an absolute moron, shouod hsve been well ready for CC comin in, thevrest of the league players now need to play catch up to both her playing skill and iq. Keep the videos comin mate ☺☺☺
I can’t wait for this week’s Fever game!
The PROBLEM with this Commissioner is #1 The Referees are “HORRIBLE”. Get on These Referees to Call FRAGRANT FOULS or Over Aggressive Fouls when made. This Prison Basketball, Roller Derby HITTING has GOT TO STOP. #2 The Schedule The WNBA gave The INDIANA FEVER, at the beginning of the Season, was “HORRIBLE”. 11 Games in 21 Days and 2 Back to Back Games is “RIDICULOUS”. This Commissioner has been “DISAPPOINTING”.
Angel Reese being a revelation... c'mon bro, she can't even finish a lay-up and went 4-14 last night which is on par for her season numbers! Until she can finish at the rim she's just mid-level.
She is either lying or completely not paying attention. Both can be true
Clark is the Most Important Player in the W.
They scheduled them for 10 games in the first 3 weeks, really?
They did that before the Fever even had the #1 pick. Now should they be making schedules before the draft lottery? Probably not
REALLY, She scheduled the Fever against the best teams the first 3 weeks....
Setting attendance records
Setting Gate $$ records
Teams moved to bigger arenas
Merch $$$$ at all time high
Fever averagerage 16000+ home attendance
If she is that ignorant, she could have looked at the BIG 10 and would have seen that she WAS/IS the REAL DEAL.
Enjoy your takes but the Commissioner is a reactive, not pro active business idiot, Agree to Disagree
@@bradkofron6022 no your very spot on. The thinking that it wouldn’t last should have been let’s ride this whirlwind for all it’s worth. You had the world salivating for a chance to see CC and you all let it slide by. I haven’t seen this kind of fan mania since the Beatles and like the Beatles her biggest fans are young girls and boys. A new generation of sports fanatics.
@jessepena5847 Not to mention that the Fever have 38 nationally televised games this year compared to 4 last year.
She didn't speak to Nike about the 'Clark Phenomenon'? Bullshit, she was told to be a hater.
Caitlin is the best pure PG in the WNBA already as a rookie, nobody sees the court like she does, her turnovers were mostly early in the season when her teammate were not ready for passes coming into them, and they were not used to the pace of them or understanding that she didn’t want them to stop and look for the ball but run to the spot and the ball meets them there.
So I guess they don’t practice together hun? Stop thee excuses paaaaaaaaa👎🏿
@@vincente4570 i refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed contestant
@@kazehana877 Ooooooooookkaaaaaay. In effect you’re a Caitlin Clark fan that refuses to pay attention to all details hun? Ok, gotcha🤦🏿♂️
We don't want you to think, just watch her play. These people are blind when it comes to Her Greatness, CC!!
CC scored the most points in NCAA history! She's already proven herself before stepping foot in the WNBA. What makes them think she was going to be anything less? Pretty much everyone watching her knew, and somehow all the people in the WNBA didn't? 😅
CATHEY SHOULD RESIGN, YOU CANT HAVE A PERSON IN CHARGE OF THE WNBA WHO DIDNT KNOW HOW GOOD CLARK IS OR THAT SHES THE MOST POPULAR FEMALE BASKETBALL PLAYER ON THE PLANET, COMES ON AN INTERVIEW AND NEVER GIVES CLARK FULL CREDIT FOR MILLIONS OF EXTRA FANS , MENTIONING ANOTHER PLAYER ,THERE IS ONLY ONE PLAYER WHERE HER GAMES HAVE TO BE MOVED TO BIGGER STADIUMS FOR CROWD ATTENDANCE ,THATS CLARK , CATHEY IS THE HEAD OF THE ORGANIZATION , DOES SHE NOT WATCH HER OWN PRODUCT WORKING ,SOME BUSINESS WOMAN , NO WONDER THERE BROKE
Love your passion in what you believe in...all caps from the first C to the last .
In my opinion that's badass...
She Was The #ONE Draft Pick for a REASON PEOPLE !!
The basketball moms need to retire and have business ppl run the league. That's why it's called the welfare NBA. So much racism and jealousness of some players.
How many missed layups did Reese rebound this season. She’s not good yet until she gets above 20% layups makes you can’t say she’s good.
You people are supposed to be professionals. If you watched her play you could see she was different there are people that are born with things the rest of us don't have.
If other players used CC as a model in post game interviews and their off court personality of professionalism, they would be much more marketable and likable, but some players dont have the capability to see themselves as a brand so they wont be able to change who they are.
Did they miss her whole college career!
Evidently they Were REALLY Not Paying Attention Until she Started breaking Every One Of The Old Timers RECORDS And Butt Hurting the WHOLE LEAGUE Over It And the Fact that these So Called Greats Are Bent About It Makes Me Laugh
To be fair to her, nothing like this has ever happened before. Not at this level. I’m concerned that they might over compensate in the future and hype future rookies that won’t end up being as good as expected.
I agree that it seems like Christie Sides got a memo because she is praising CC hard all of a sudden. And the social media team has made a noticeable shift lately.
Huh....the entire league went into never seen before defensive pressure on a rookie. Someone knew Clark was a notch above talent wise and you're cutting the commissioner slack? NO, she is example #1 why the wnba has been a smoldering smoking fire as a business instead of a full blown blaze.
They try to exploit her, that’s why they put her against the toughest teams and ran her into the ground with a number of games
Englebert set up CC for failure, and not be on the Olympics by scheduling the bottom dwelling Fever to play 4 top teams in 9 of the first 13 games.
Englebert did nothing to protect CC, didn’t even suspend Chennedy for assaulting her. CC should sue the WNBA for physical and mental abuse.
Yeah . They didn’t think she was that good but she was the number one pick . SMH
She is a crappy commissioner. She didn’t handle the Clark situation professionally. This was a once in a millennium situation. She should have had all of the coaches and gms saying nothing but positive things about CC. And she should have had Clark and Reese on the Olympic team. She totally blew it. That mistake is termination worthy. What else has she done? TV money is all Clark. Planes are all Clark. She’s totally crapped the bed.
IF she's not the real deal. The numbers of views and fans and people TELLING EVERYONE that we want to watch caitlin clark... should have been enough to prepare, there's no excuses.
"You know the greatest female basketball player anyone has ever seen play the game? Yeah, we don't think she's actually going to be that good." 🤣😆
Incredible.
False, the very fact that you don't need LeaugePass to watch CC because all her games are on networks tells me they had a clue. I think that ridiculously hard first half was to make her face top teams quickly.
CC is THE GOAT. Rest are all SHEEPs PERIOD. Give her 🎉
Regardless they should have put more exposure for CC because of her fan based. Fever sold out every game
It is time to clean house at the wnba - this group has failed women’s basketball - let’s bring in new blood and people who can move women’s basketball into the future.
Angel Reese is this good this quick because CC elevates the competition. She makes people be better. Her own team. The teams she plays. The game itself.
5:51 hi 😂 lol this is true. I’m from Boston originally, I’m diehard for Boston sports especially the Celtics and Tatum, and I recorded multiple Celtics playoff games so I could watch the Fever play live 😳🫣🤭
i agree with 95% of what you said... i did not expected AR to be that dominant rebounder...but lets face it ! she isn't even close to CC level! you said it.... she isn't shooting at the level she expected to do the logos ... yet with the defense she facing (that's not how you guard a Rookie that "not that good" !!! ) and she still got better fg% then Reese who mostly shoot from 2-3 ft ! and while doing her thing she actually improve the all Fever team while AR actually hurt the Sky and her teammates (mostly Cardoso and Carter!)
Tbh. I didn’t think Caitlin was this good at passing and playmaking.
And she at least competes defensively. I wasn’t sure that she would.
people at the beginning of the season were saying that she would be better tooled as a traditional shooting guard and she was forced to play pg at Iowa bc she was their best player and i fell for it a little. like no that girl is a thoroughbred modern pg. she was responsible for around as much of the offense and play making at Iowa (obviously there are very talented contributors) as she is right now on a league team and it's blowing my mind a little
You must not have watched her at Iowa. NCAA D1 2022-23 season Caitlin Clark was the leader in assists per game, then NCAA D1 2023-24 season Caitlin Clark again was the leader in assists per game. Clark was also a great rebounder for a guard having 17 triple doubles for points, rebounds and assists while in college at Iowa. Caitlin Clark is the All Time Scorer for men and for women in NCAA D1 history; Clark is also #3 All Time for assists in Women's D1 Basketball history. There has never been a woman basketball player like her. For men Oscar Robinson, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, LeBron James and several other men are comparable, among women she is uniquely incredible.
@@jameslaughter5183 i didn't watch her that much at iowa. i'm a uconn fan. i watched clark a few times; not religiously.
You need to quit if there’s no Caitlin there’s no angel Reese, everything angel Reese is getting is by players letting her the rebounds she acquired the double double was a gimmick.
They couldn't have watched her play in Iowa then, I'm thinking.
Mick is way off base. The commissioner and the marketing VP nearly made a $50 million/year, $500 million over 10 years mistake with the tv contracts. People get fired for much less. No one can credibly defend them unless they are putting up clickbait.
Facts. Totally left a ton of $ on the table.
No wonder the WNBA has been trash all these years.
Angle Reese is great at getting her own shot misses to pad her stats.
Bull shit on that comment. NOBODY has ever broken every record in the record book and turned out to be an average player..NOBODY.
ROTY is not a race. oddsmakers; CC -2,000, AR +700.
CC MVP Top 5, No listing of AR in the MVP
I'm going to let you reason that one out Mick
Still gave you a like and watched the video to finish...so the like counts.
Stop with the caping up Caitlin Clark hype while insulting Angel Reese thing dude. Yall Caitlin Crazies can’t do shit else creative? Got damn🤦🏿♂️
@@vincente4570 Touchy, touchy...does capping mean comparing ?
ROTY odds above speak for themselves
MVP Top 5;
1) Aja Wilson -3000
2) Jewell Lloyd +4500
3) CC, Sabrina Ionescu and Alyssa Thomas +7500...tie for 3td
Given that CC is in the MVP Top 5, Can we at least agree that AR needs to make MVP Top 5 consideration before before being considered frontrunner for ROTY?
@@Chris-sz9vr It’s not about that. It’s redundant pal🙄
@@Chris-sz9vrwhen did the WNBA put out the MVP list?
what racists like Caitlin Clark? I thought her fanbase is mostly made up of young girls
Caitlin Clark is sabotaged by subpar teammates, personally I only put Aja Wilson and Breanna Stewart above Caitlin.
We already knew that people affiliated with thecW and W alumni working in the media don't see the value in her on the court. The W is in the place that the NBA was in during the late 80's and 90's. Older nba fans hold similar opinions when it comes to modern players. There is just a bias toward the modern game.
I am sure you knew or suspected that your other persona as a born and bred analyst would come to the fore in the Olympics interregnum. Your 'follow along' commentary does have a whiff of the Wild Irishman about it, which makes your shows into entertainment that elevates what's happening on the floor (mostly). But your analysis, when it's all we have to listen to right now, is like a Mick Master Class in the history, politics, gory details and up-to-the moment reporting of the WNBA, at a brilliant level. You might find a way to integrate more of the analytical side into your regular season commentary, because it sheds light. You are an educator at heart. I like it.
Its time to call out the nba and wnba office. Very little diversity. Are Catholics underrepresented?
Some awesome rookies. Wish Cameron Brink was still playing too.😢
CC is the face of the Girl Next Door that all parents admire and respect . She is going to bring down the lbgtq communities control of women's sport . The Olympic Games disrespect to all sportsmen and women was highlighted by the swim in the Sienne , the local sewerage was delicious . Then you add the BOXING and it all becomes more clear . And the WNBA is the driving force for this community that has expanded to all sports . I pkay pool and a trans has a state position on the women's team . CAITLIN is bringing fear to the community . The girl next door all parents like
Yes but they need to let us choose who we like, and stop shoving Aja Wilson down our throats!
U mus b a Caitlin Clark fan of course🙄
@@vincente4570 Yes Indeed
it doesn't matter about her being 'good'. she is money. she is fans. she is advertising. she is charter flying not commercial. she is entertainment in an entertainment industry. cc, not angel, is bringing in all those things.
Caitlin Clark gives viewers what ppl watch women's basketball for - fundamentals, play making, movement off the.ball etc
Women's basketball is not going grab views from men's game by trying to outdunk the mens
Post Olympics everyone knows without a doubt that CC is the business. She should leave the WNBA and start her own women's league with some big money backers. The WNBA would crap themselves.
@Micktalkssportspodcast lies and BS How could they not know the Caitlyn would not have an effect? They didn't want her to succeed.They wanted to control the outcome. The initial eleven games were brutal. What if it was a normal schedule? Mick , have you ever looked at the attendance rates of her career? She had fifty-five thousand people at an exhibition game! Just look at all her stats all of them....Among guards, Caitlin is number one in assist number one in rebounds, Is number one in blocks, Number 4 in Steals and number 6 in points. And this is after the gauntlet they faced in the first 11 games. She was the first player with the stats she had not to get player of the week or month. She got the Rookie triple-double, and in general, Catlins stats are amazing.
She got no recognition and the WNBA actually just.tries to minimize Catlin. Definitely lying and BS
Did the Commissioner live under a rock for the last two years?
What if after the media deal was done, Adam Silver said to the heads of the WNBA "you better start promoting your superstar or you are fired"...may be that happened... just a theory
Can we take a quick minute to talk about how Cathy Engelbert's dress in the first pic looks like mosaic censoring implying she's actually not wearing anything???
I think she will be exposed as weak by the player's union during negotiations. NBA and WNBA owners will want someone to protect their interests.
Are you drunk? She's better than Adam silver? She didn't even know cc was this big? If she's commis she's supposed to know a lot about cc since she's the #1 pick! They fumbled the bag with her not playing at the Olympics. Top of this how do you not get enough merchandise of caitlin's knowing how popular she is. From the beginning she didn't even see the cc effect knowing how many viewers she was getting at any game she played. Come on man. On top of this she was being protected bcuz just with chennedy Carter incident she should've had her suspended and she didn't do anything not even a flagrant 2 foul! Adam silver would've suspended any player for that incident
Engelbert needs to go work for Dollar General , maybe cashier or marketing specialist.
Adam Silver is a great commissioner. Look at the NBA’s revenues.
"No one thought Angel Reese would be this good"?! 😄 I thought the college basket ball fans certainly knew it? But yea, WNBA missed it just like they missed Clark.
Mick, please explain how Cathy Engelbert is a good commissioner, better than Adam Silver?
I mean what did they expect if you can read charts and analytics its a no brainer. Even if you assumed she would only produces at 50% of the level she did in college as an adjustment she still looks great on paper...
I thought her dress on the screen was blurring out something 😂
I think Paige is going to be a huge star. Huge.