@chriskar5 Thanks, I'(m glad you like what I'm upping.;) Yes, the sound they have onstage is quite amazing. Probably having a dedicated soundman that always follow the band helps a lot, but I never understood how Fisher always get that incredibly clean Hammond sound. You hear him playing something like SOB (he uses a register that's quite likely to become distorted if ones turns up the volume) and he's always so clean and still so full, often better than on the studio version. Amazing.
thank you so much for posting this. i love this piece : it is a marvellous composition and a beautiful piece. i have the recording that was released on "journey's end", but never a version with procol. then they played it live at croydon and i had hoped to obtain a bootleg of the concert but i think gary may have been unhappy with the sound, as no bootleg was ever made. i am very pleased, therefore, to have discovered this version.
So late I discover that! Very very rare. Too bad, today such performances are no longer possible, even "Repent Walpurgis" is no longer played. Mat has become a persona non grata. Very nice is the piano accompaniment by Gary, which does not exist in the original - even if a few unwanted notes are there. Thanks for the upload, Jack!
Yes, it was written already but it was seven minutes long with no organ solos. Fisher wrote the organ solo himself. At first he didn’t expect royalties until he discovered that the publishing company had copied it note for note and Brooker received all the credit. Three courts in England including the House of Lords agreed that Fisher wrote it. All the evidence for this can be found in Beyond the Pale.
Well, wouldn't go so far as saying it is "mainly" Fisher but he surely did contribute A LOT! And he invented THE organ style of that music. Yes, ihis first albums had some of the PH feeling, although they were very different in other aspects.
Actually he produce Home as well. And of course played on the two studio return albums. Yes, Brooker had the chords and the vocal melody written but the organ lines, one of the most memorable features of the song, were 100% Fisher. Yes, the way that was settled was contrived and leaves too many holes open (for example: why AWSoP and not Shine On Brightly or Garden Fence?) but it has been settled. It's over now, no point in discussing it.
i read somewhere that matthew would place a leslie cabinet in a separate room (separation, again!) and mike it up, feeding the signal, via a longer cable, into the main sound board.
@@larrypennisi7765 Hello Larry, Nice to hear from you! (We used to correspond via BtP and we met briefly after the Catford concert.) All best wishes, Ken.
It's up on Beyond The Pale, the semi official site. Yes, he used to do that in the 60s, don't know if also later on. What's certain is that he always managed to have an astounding sound live.
@ffchatter Well, probably not much of a "conspiracy", fiven that Procol Harum was founded by Brooker and Reid, before Fisher came around… Of course in the '60s both he and trower (and Wilson, don't forget BJ Wilson!) were a bit more than "members of Brooker's band", the contribution they gave to Procol was enormous…One keeps wondering how could they lose such a great player not once, but twice…especially over such a ridiculous story (given what happened in court at the end).
@JeckOverfull if there had not been an argument over royalties for a whiter shade of pale fisher would have stayed longer in the band.i think it was a conspiracy between brooker and keith reid to keep the royalties and run the band.
@Heydrich43 It happened again: someone tooke great care to put "Brzezicki" right and mispelled "mark"! O_o And there is also a capitalized "I" where shouldn't be one…My mistake.
@chriskar5 Actually I know little of paramounts…I've got "nothing to get excited about" (wich is liquorice john death, not, technically speaking, paramount) and, of course, poison ivy, but, apart from something occasionally performed by procol (goin' down slow comes to mind) I'm still quite unfamiliar with their material. A Salty dog was a fisher song as well? Never heard that before (but, of course, many tracks on that album were…eg esperus…).
@chriskar5 Well, I never considered myself a record collector. Never had the time, nor the funds, nor, perhaps, the right mentality to become one. I collect bootlegs, of course! ;) And of course, I have basically everything "official" Procol Harum ever recorded as well.
@chriskar5 Material (I mean, melody/chords) on the albums without Fisher, in my opinion, was good as the rest, but I wonder how the track would be if fisher was there. Anyway, both Copping and Solley did a very good job, in particularly check out versions of a salty dog and grand otel with the second of them, what he did was awesome. Don Snow (toured with the band in 1992) did a pretty good Fisher imitation, his playing style was absolutely commendable.
😄😅😘molto bella....si' ricordo era nella colonna sonora di un film anni 60, non ricordo il titolo...forse proprio separation mi sembra una produzione francese ma non sono sicura....
@chriskar5 Actually nobody knows them here in Italy…Everyone has heard AWSoP, many knows Homburg from the italian cover ("L'ora dell'amore") but many doesn't have any idea about the band. What you don't like from About exotic Birds and Fruit? Apart from Butterfly Boys, wich I grew quite tired of hearing, I like a lot everything on that album, expecially New Lamps for Old is terrific (and a song, I suspect, wich might have beneficed a lot with Fisher playing it from the beginning).
Because it wasn't a Procol Harum song: Matthew Fisher was hired to write the music for a movie called "Separation" and he did it vaguely in the style of Repent Walpurgis, but the rest of the band had no direct involvement (an edit of Salad Days was included in the movie as well). To hae a second organ instrumental Procol started performing it from time to time in 2002, then it disappeared, probably firstly due to the arrival of The Signature and then to the departure of Fisher.
@chriskar5 Yes, of course, they included AWSoP and Homburg in some versions of the album, like the US ones. I found dated songs Mabel and Captain Clack, the rest of the album stood incredibly well the album and basically everything could probably be mixed with songs from the Well's On Fire and fool an uninformed listener. Listening to other albums from that period to my hears it's quite incredibly modern, actually. Being mostly a "live" thing only augment it for me. No, I don't have a vinyl…
@chriskar5 Absolutely, I agree on everything you wrote (well, maybe I wouldn't define "horrible" Brooker solo albums, but many songs were too poppish for my tastes).
Wauw - i never heard that take before - where is it from..? I have heard it performed live in Copenhagen around the same time. By the way, I made an attempt on a cover version on that tune some weeks ago: ruclips.net/video/RDGcqg6e10I/видео.html
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Yes Matthew Fisher was an original member and plays on the first 3 LP's. He only produced one, A Salty Dog. But Brooker & Reid wrote AWSOP before they even put the group together and recorded it. That's what I meant when I said his signature sound is an integral part but he didn't write the bloody thing. Might as well give writing credits to the drummer, bass player and guitarist for that matter.
@JeckOverfull i agree with your comments about fisher and procol harum in general.fisher was great.he still is but brooker planned with keith reid to take over the band.they got rid of fisher because of royalties due over a whiter shade of pale.
@chriskar5 Yes, Shine on Brightly was a great album… And the first 3 (and the last one, actually!) are my favorites too. Too bad for the errors on the first one…poor recording/mixing, crazy marketing errors (no AWSoP nor Homburg?!) and a couple of song that, in my opinion, sound incredibly dated now.
Thanks so much for posting this!! The first 3 are my favorites too. Perhaps because I'm a yank, the first one is great - no Homburg, but AWSoP is on it, first. And perhaps the ones you think 'dated' were removed from 'our' version. Love every song on it. Cerdes!
So.... if Brooker and Reid wrote AWSoP... Why do I hear only organ in that number and no piano.... Weirdo! I hear only Matthew. (and there's no BJ either)
Kind of a tired rehash of Repent Walpurgis. Sad and depressing because his own female separation issues, and his emotional issues. Music to cry to on your way to the cliff.
with respect, i could not disagree more : this is no rehash, tired or otherwise. RP had, perhaps, a similar angst but any similarity stops there (apart from their both being played on hammond). one was written over a ground bass, continually recycling the same 4 chords; the other was carefully constructed over constantly-changing chords in a quite intricate way.
Fisher left the band because he didn't want to tour. He tried to come back into the fold a couple of times and it didn't work out. Yes the organ part is an integral piece to AWSOP, but to be honest the song was written before he joined the band. So sod off!
An amazing group making music for the ages….
Oh, the sheer beauty & brilliance!
Timelessly gorgeous…
Procol HARUM et ses chefs d'ouvres,c'est de la musique ....CLASSIQUE,tant c'est soigne,cherché
Haunting……beautiful!
@chriskar5 Thanks, I'(m glad you like what I'm upping.;)
Yes, the sound they have onstage is quite amazing. Probably having a dedicated soundman that always follow the band helps a lot, but I never understood how Fisher always get that incredibly clean Hammond sound. You hear him playing something like SOB (he uses a register that's quite likely to become distorted if ones turns up the volume) and he's always so clean and still so full, often better than on the studio version. Amazing.
thank you so much for posting this. i love this piece : it is a marvellous composition and a beautiful piece. i have the recording that was released on "journey's end", but never a version with procol. then they played it live at croydon and i had hoped to obtain a bootleg of the concert but i think gary may have been unhappy with the sound, as no bootleg was ever made. i am very pleased, therefore, to have discovered this version.
So late I discover that! Very very rare. Too bad, today such performances are no longer possible, even "Repent Walpurgis" is no longer played. Mat has become a persona non grata.
Very nice is the piano accompaniment by Gary, which does not exist in the original - even if a few unwanted notes are there. Thanks for the upload, Jack!
Yes, it was written already but it was seven minutes long with no organ solos. Fisher wrote the organ solo himself. At first he didn’t expect royalties until he discovered that the publishing company had copied it note for note and Brooker received all the credit. Three courts in England including the House of Lords agreed that Fisher wrote it. All the evidence for this can be found in Beyond the Pale.
Aren’t you talking about A Whiter Shade of Pale instead of Seperation?
Well, wouldn't go so far as saying it is "mainly" Fisher but he surely did contribute A LOT! And he invented THE organ style of that music.
Yes, ihis first albums had some of the PH feeling, although they were very different in other aspects.
And you can just picture him singing Journey's End to (at) his old mates...Sad but telling, and somehow, touching.
Love mathews music
Actually he produce Home as well. And of course played on the two studio return albums.
Yes, Brooker had the chords and the vocal melody written but the organ lines, one of the most memorable features of the song, were 100% Fisher. Yes, the way that was settled was contrived and leaves too many holes open (for example: why AWSoP and not Shine On Brightly or Garden Fence?) but it has been settled. It's over now, no point in discussing it.
i read somewhere that matthew would place a leslie cabinet in a separate room (separation, again!) and mike it up, feeding the signal, via a longer cable, into the main sound board.
its true to keep t other instruments and noise-pure organ sound through the Marshalls
@@larrypennisi7765 Hello Larry, Nice to hear from you! (We used to correspond via BtP and we met briefly after the Catford concert.) All best wishes, Ken.
BELÍSSIMA MELODIA. SÓ FALTOU A VOZ DO GARY. LINDA BANDA. 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🇧🇷🔰🇧🇷🔰👏👍👏👍👏👍👏👍👏
It's up on Beyond The Pale, the semi official site. Yes, he used to do that in the 60s, don't know if also later on.
What's certain is that he always managed to have an astounding sound live.
Excellent. I think I have the film on dvd somewhere
nice to hear a band treatment
Waanzinnig nummer. What a beautyfull song
@ffchatter Well, probably not much of a "conspiracy", fiven that Procol Harum was founded by Brooker and Reid, before Fisher came around…
Of course in the '60s both he and trower (and Wilson, don't forget BJ Wilson!) were a bit more than "members of Brooker's band", the contribution they gave to Procol was enormous…One keeps wondering how could they lose such a great player not once, but twice…especially over such a ridiculous story (given what happened in court at the end).
brilliant
@JeckOverfull
if there had not been an argument over royalties for a whiter shade of pale fisher would have stayed longer in the band.i think it was a conspiracy between brooker and keith reid to keep the royalties and run the band.
@Heydrich43 It happened again: someone tooke great care to put "Brzezicki" right and mispelled "mark"! O_o
And there is also a capitalized "I" where shouldn't be one…My mistake.
MATTHEW OK! encoreun truc super SEPARATION en solo de guitare LIVE!
@chriskar5 Actually I know little of paramounts…I've got "nothing to get excited about" (wich is liquorice john death, not, technically speaking, paramount) and, of course, poison ivy, but, apart from something occasionally performed by procol (goin' down slow comes to mind) I'm still quite unfamiliar with their material.
A Salty dog was a fisher song as well? Never heard that before (but, of course, many tracks on that album were…eg esperus…).
So? There even is a court ruling on that matter now…
@chriskar5 Well, I never considered myself a record collector. Never had the time, nor the funds, nor, perhaps, the right mentality to become one.
I collect bootlegs, of course! ;)
And of course, I have basically everything "official" Procol Harum ever recorded as well.
💖Maf💖
@chriskar5 Material (I mean, melody/chords) on the albums without Fisher, in my opinion, was good as the rest, but I wonder how the track would be if fisher was there.
Anyway, both Copping and Solley did a very good job, in particularly check out versions of a salty dog and grand otel with the second of them, what he did was awesome.
Don Snow (toured with the band in 1992) did a pretty good Fisher imitation, his playing style was absolutely commendable.
A very beautiful but sad variation reminiscent of Repent Walpurgis.
😄😅😘molto bella....si' ricordo era nella colonna sonora di un film anni 60, non ricordo il titolo...forse proprio separation mi sembra una produzione francese ma non sono sicura....
Lorena Pasquetti proprio Separation...Dovrebbe trovarsi tutto qui su RUclips, ma e abbasta un mattone!
💓Procol Harum💓
♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️👩🏭🌷🙏
@chriskar5 Actually nobody knows them here in Italy…Everyone has heard AWSoP, many knows Homburg from the italian cover ("L'ora dell'amore") but many doesn't have any idea about the band.
What you don't like from About exotic Birds and Fruit? Apart from Butterfly Boys, wich I grew quite tired of hearing, I like a lot everything on that album, expecially New Lamps for Old is terrific (and a song, I suspect, wich might have beneficed a lot with Fisher playing it from the beginning).
Why wasn’t Seperation on Procol’s first album? Or any of their first three, for that matter?
Because it wasn't a Procol Harum song: Matthew Fisher was hired to write the music for a movie called "Separation" and he did it vaguely in the style of Repent Walpurgis, but the rest of the band had no direct involvement (an edit of Salad Days was included in the movie as well).
To hae a second organ instrumental Procol started performing it from time to time in 2002, then it disappeared, probably firstly due to the arrival of The Signature and then to the departure of Fisher.
@@JackPonissi OK, thanks for the info on Salad Days.
@chriskar5 Yes, of course, they included AWSoP and Homburg in some versions of the album, like the US ones. I found dated songs Mabel and Captain Clack, the rest of the album stood incredibly well the album and basically everything could probably be mixed with songs from the Well's On Fire and fool an uninformed listener. Listening to other albums from that period to my hears it's quite incredibly modern, actually. Being mostly a "live" thing only augment it for me. No, I don't have a vinyl…
Ah, now I see what you were getting at. Yes, US album was 'fixed.' (Mabel, well, we can differ on that one. I think it's funny!)
@@tommymandel it *is* funny, but it’s not something I would care playing in front of an audience
@@JackPonissi thanks for your reply Jack!
@@tommymandel thanks for your comments!
@chriskar5 Absolutely, I agree on everything you wrote (well, maybe I wouldn't define "horrible" Brooker solo albums, but many songs were too poppish for my tastes).
Wauw - i never heard that take before - where is it from..? I have heard it performed live in Copenhagen around the same time. By the way, I made an attempt on a cover version on that tune some weeks ago: ruclips.net/video/RDGcqg6e10I/видео.html
Just heard your cover, well done!
This recording is from Trento in 2002, a brief period when Procol brought the tune on stage
Home was produced by Chris Thomas.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. Yes Matthew Fisher was an original member and plays on the first 3 LP's. He only produced one, A Salty Dog. But Brooker & Reid wrote AWSOP before they even put the group together and recorded it. That's what I meant when I said his signature sound is an integral part but he didn't write the bloody thing. Might as well give writing credits to the drummer, bass player and guitarist for that matter.
@JeckOverfull
i agree with your comments about fisher and procol harum in general.fisher was great.he still is but brooker planned with keith reid to take over the band.they got rid of fisher because of royalties due over a whiter shade of pale.
@chriskar5 Yes, Shine on Brightly was a great album…
And the first 3 (and the last one, actually!) are my favorites too.
Too bad for the errors on the first one…poor recording/mixing, crazy marketing errors (no AWSoP nor Homburg?!) and a couple of song that, in my opinion, sound incredibly dated now.
Thanks so much for posting this!! The first 3 are my favorites too. Perhaps because I'm a yank, the first one is great - no Homburg, but AWSoP is on it, first. And perhaps the ones you think 'dated' were removed from 'our' version. Love every song on it. Cerdes!
Liked the video and the music but noted misspellings of a couple of bandmember names.
I never saw a song cause such controversy 😆😆😆😆
So.... if Brooker and Reid wrote AWSoP... Why do I hear only organ in that number and no piano.... Weirdo! I hear only Matthew. (and there's no BJ either)
Kind of a tired rehash of Repent Walpurgis. Sad and depressing because his own female separation issues, and his emotional issues. Music to cry to on your way to the cliff.
with respect, i could not disagree more : this is no rehash, tired or otherwise. RP had, perhaps, a similar angst but any similarity stops there (apart from their both being played on hammond). one was written over a ground bass, continually recycling the same 4 chords; the other was carefully constructed over constantly-changing chords in a quite intricate way.
A lot of misspellings there, but a great rendition!
What do you mean? Apart from "mark" that became "mask"…
Geoff is spelled "Jeoff" and piano is spelled Plano, which is a city in Texas and youthful home of both Boz Scaggs and Steve Miller.
I see! I must have been sleeping on that day!
Fisher left the band because he didn't want to tour. He tried to come back into the fold a couple of times and it didn't work out. Yes the organ part is an integral piece to AWSOP, but to be honest the song was written before he joined the band. So sod off!
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terrible simplicite nicroyable