Excellent episode! What please me the most was to hear that so many groups are still able to get together and do so and a friendly manner. That gives me hope! I needed to hear that today!
FYI. These Mormon History Groups are pretty cool based in the MO area. I went to a Pioneer Days celebration in Pleasant Grove Iowa where pioneers had stayed in a large group on the way to Utah. The local school team was called the Pioneers and there really were not any members in that area. I was invited to dinner at a hone of members of the Iowa Mormon Pioneer Association. None of them were members of the church and they had multuple stories I never heard. It was amazing to see non members interested in the subject.
Community of Christ originally purchased the manuscript as part of a collection that cost $2,500 in the early 1900s. AS the guest stated the LdS church had the opportunity to buy it at that time frame too. I imagine there were LdS officials, in 2017 when it cost them $35million to buy it, who wished they had bought it in early 1900s!
In a way, this is coming full circle for me. I first discovered Mormon Book Reviews last spring after looking up the the deseret alphabet and book of mormon editions on Robert's channel and noticing Steve's comments there. Discovering all the expressions of the restoration and learning to love the people who are so deeply integrated with it has deeply blessed me over the past year, and for that, I am so incredibly grateful.
That was a lot of fun. I didn't think about multiple printings of The Book of Mormon till I lived in Caldwell County MO between 97 and 2004. I did pick up a Restorationist edition.they printed aftrr bresking away from RLDS. They had a great bookstote in Independence that even carried a lot of LDS FARMS bookd ss well as the Hugh Nibley course books from BYU. He really opened up those avenues of comparison against ancient scriptire, dead sea scrolls etc. If there is another edition, its probably in an attic on Caldwell County Missouri.
I have an original Hard Bound Blue Copy of the Deseret Alphabet (the Small Plates of Nephi). I found it in an old book store back in the 60's. How do I get it appraised? Thank you.
The cheapest way to find its worth is looking at what they sell for on line. What I have seen the last couple of years… the full book is about $5,000 to $7,000. The smaller book is about $800 and the readers are about $250.
What an amazing edition! I hope more information on it gets unearthed so we can understand it better. When I learned the deseret alphabet last year and started reading the PDF of the 1860s DA Book of Mormon, I remember wishing that somebody had done a reprint like people do for the 1830 edition. Eventually I bought a modern DA text, but I still would've preferred one with the original spellings (as dialects in utah and deseret alphabet spelling preferences have changed drastically over time), so learning that there actually is one is spectacular! I'll have to buy that soon. I'd do it now, but I've been splurging on books a lot recently and I really need to take a break.
when your guest mentions the return to Independence Missouri USA book Return to Zion, it is all about the return of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Utah) to Independence, but not all of the other "Saints" from other churches that might have returned already before 1883?
Would love to know if your guests are Heartlanders, Central American geography enthusiasts, or non-literal historicity types...Might be a good standard question to help frame these chats. Thanks for the episode!
L.E. Hills book, “New Light on American Archaeology,” was a response to the RLDS Committee on American Archaeology, created in 1894 which had a hemispheric model. That committee in a report placed Zarahemla and the Land of Nephi in South America, too far from Cumorah in New York for Limhi’s search party, thus Hills proposed the “original” Cumorah had to be in Mexico, in addition to shrinking the geography to the Isthmus of Tehuantepec. His copyrighted ideas were ripped off by F.A.R.M.S. without giving him credit as the author.
Good find! That one was purchased from the L.E. Hill's estate and the description says it is heavily notated -- I'd be curious whether any of those notes mentioned how this particular edition came to be. It's too bad it's listed as being in very poor condition, but that makes Keith's book that much more of a great find. So publicly we now know of two copies of this edition. Who knows what else may be turned up?
I do own two physical copies of Hills’ book, “New Light on American Archaeology,” a first and second edition. They both have a 1924 copyright date, but the second edition has a forward by his daughter and only child, Louisa Lewis. Her father died in June 1925 from being struck by an automobile while walking near his home at 201 S. Willis, Ave., Independence, MO. The address was noted in an announcement of Louisa’s second marriage, being a widow, performed by him at his home. I created a blog in 2020-2021with his history though it’s currently non-public or private.
For the future, you might not want to appropriate black culture by saying "home boy". It sounds silly coming out of the mouth of an LDS white man. Otherwise, your work is very interesting. Thank you and carry on.
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time. Mark 13:22-23
Excellent episode! What please me the most was to hear that so many groups are still able to get together and do so and a friendly manner. That gives me hope! I needed to hear that today!
FYI. These Mormon History Groups are pretty cool based in the MO area. I went to a Pioneer Days celebration in Pleasant Grove Iowa where pioneers had stayed in a large group on the way to Utah. The local school team was called the Pioneers and there really were not any members in that area. I was invited to dinner at a hone of members of the Iowa Mormon Pioneer Association. None of them were members of the church and they had multuple stories I never heard. It was amazing to see non members interested in the subject.
Community of Christ originally purchased the manuscript as part of a collection that cost $2,500 in the early 1900s. AS the guest stated the LdS church had the opportunity to buy it at that time frame too. I imagine there were LdS officials, in 2017 when it cost them $35million to buy it, who wished they had bought it in early 1900s!
In a way, this is coming full circle for me. I first discovered Mormon Book Reviews last spring after looking up the the deseret alphabet and book of mormon editions on Robert's channel and noticing Steve's comments there. Discovering all the expressions of the restoration and learning to love the people who are so deeply integrated with it has deeply blessed me over the past year, and for that, I am so incredibly grateful.
You gotta connect us with these guys!
In the description I have a link to Keith's website, you can contact him there.
That was a lot of fun. I didn't think about multiple printings of The Book of Mormon till I lived in Caldwell County MO between 97 and 2004. I did pick up a Restorationist edition.they printed aftrr bresking away from RLDS. They had a great bookstote in Independence that even carried a lot of LDS FARMS bookd ss well as the Hugh Nibley course books from BYU. He really opened up those avenues of comparison against ancient scriptire, dead sea scrolls etc. If there is another edition, its probably in an attic on Caldwell County Missouri.
I have an original Hard Bound Blue Copy of the Deseret Alphabet (the Small Plates of Nephi). I found it in an old book store back in the 60's. How do I get it appraised? Thank you.
The cheapest way to find its worth is looking at what they sell for on line. What I have seen the last couple of years… the full book is about $5,000 to $7,000. The smaller book is about $800 and the readers are about $250.
What an amazing edition! I hope more information on it gets unearthed so we can understand it better.
When I learned the deseret alphabet last year and started reading the PDF of the 1860s DA Book of Mormon, I remember wishing that somebody had done a reprint like people do for the 1830 edition. Eventually I bought a modern DA text, but I still would've preferred one with the original spellings (as dialects in utah and deseret alphabet spelling preferences have changed drastically over time), so learning that there actually is one is spectacular! I'll have to buy that soon. I'd do it now, but I've been splurging on books a lot recently and I really need to take a break.
interesting find, thanks for sharing.
Great video and find.
when your guest mentions the return to Independence Missouri USA book Return to Zion, it is all about the return of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Utah) to Independence, but not all of the other "Saints" from other churches that might have returned already before 1883?
Would love to know if your guests are Heartlanders, Central American geography enthusiasts, or non-literal historicity types...Might be a good standard question to help frame these chats. Thanks for the episode!
Can you provide a link to the online site. The one I am finding is 'access denied'
It worked for me . Try this one: www.missourimormonfrontierfoundation.org/
@@MormonBookReviews Thanks but still not working. Tried in a second (and third) browser. Same error. access denied.
@@Larry19810 I just tried and it worked for me
@@StevenRetz Thanks for the feedback. Still fails for me. Maybe I'll try with different VPN settings.
L.E. Hills book, “New Light on American Archaeology,” was a response to the RLDS Committee on American Archaeology, created in 1894 which had a hemispheric model. That committee in a report placed Zarahemla and the Land of Nephi in South America, too far from Cumorah in New York for Limhi’s search party, thus Hills proposed the “original” Cumorah had to be in Mexico, in addition to shrinking the geography to the Isthmus of Tehuantepec. His copyrighted ideas were ripped off by F.A.R.M.S. without giving him credit as the author.
The Stick of Joseph can be found on the Church History Catalog. Search using his full name: Louis Edward Hills.
Good find! That one was purchased from the L.E. Hill's estate and the description says it is heavily notated -- I'd be curious whether any of those notes mentioned how this particular edition came to be. It's too bad it's listed as being in very poor condition, but that makes Keith's book that much more of a great find.
So publicly we now know of two copies of this edition. Who knows what else may be turned up?
I do own two physical copies of Hills’ book, “New Light on American Archaeology,” a first and second edition. They both have a 1924 copyright date, but the second edition has a forward by his daughter and only child, Louisa Lewis. Her father died in June 1925 from being struck by an automobile while walking near his home at 201 S. Willis, Ave., Independence, MO. The address was noted in an announcement of Louisa’s second marriage, being a widow, performed by him at his home. I created a blog in 2020-2021with his history though it’s currently non-public or private.
Has your guest checked with members of the Church of Christ (Temple Lot) or with the Community of Christ archives department about copies?
I know he has asked all around Independence. I'm sure he has inquired to both.
Yes
It is interesting history, but Joseph never said the BofM took place in Meso or South America. He DID say it took place in North America.
I was just in Independence. Wish I had that guide!!!
Look into research at Woods museum in Bountiful Utah.
They had a first printing of book of mormon.
Steve, have you really never read the BoM? That really is a must for you. Get on it dude!
The rarest Book of Mormon would in fact be the fictional gold plates themselves.
Did Mark Hoffman sign it?
About the comments at the end, Missouri is much cheaper to live than Utah nowadays.
Fascinating how the oldest Book of Mormon isn't older than Joseph Smith
Why are you blocking my comments?
That's not me. For whatever reason RUclips does it. You're not the first person to have this issue.
@@MormonBookReviews I know it wasn't you. I could send my comments via e-mail.
@@brucelloyd7496 mormonbookreviews@gmail.com
For the future, you might not want to appropriate black culture by saying "home boy". It sounds silly coming out of the mouth of an LDS white man. Otherwise, your work is very interesting. Thank you and carry on.
I wish he were wearing archivist gloves! hahah
I've actually heard from some collectors who don't use gloves. They say they can do more damage than bare hands
@@MormonBookReviews I've heard that too
What an interesting find of a rare piece of fiction !! Maybe we could look for those tablets of gold too in NY ?!! Ha Ha !!
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
Mark 13:22-23
Yep, they make up the Roman Catholic Zealots, Eastern Orthodox Pharisees and Reformationist Protestantism Sadduccees!
Foolishness raised to a new level.