No one even comes close to the quality of your description of what skis are all about. There's no competition to you guys when setting up a comparison from one ski to another and who should buy that ski. Kudos!
You guys are awesome! I’ve watched this video like 10 times going back and forth on a pairs of skis, zoning in on one, looking for ‘tells” on personal preferences and experiences while being being fair to the brands. After a couple of beers, your command of the English language and word pong back and forth becomes poetic. Not many can do what you do this well. Thank you!
I have last years version of Declivity 82's. I was blown away by them and absolutely love them. They are fun yet they carve hard and almost make you a better skier. Everyone that I let try them have been super impressed with them too.
I’m so in doubt buying this year’s model. I retired my 12(?) years old Nordica fire arrow 80 pro, which was a strong carving ski, but also twin tip and playful. It feels a bit today’s offering is either playful, or solely power, and I’m afraid to buy the declivity and find out it’s a lower speed limit than I had. How do you find your declivity?
Thanks for another incredibly informative review. This is my 'everyday' ski category. Last winter I decided to try out Thunderbird R15 WBs based on your review. Took them out for a test run and found everything you said about them was absolutely true! They're mine now and I love them. I've got some fatties for steeper and deeper but snow conditions meant I skiied the Thunderbirds about 50 days. I can't ask for anything more than an accurate, qualified appraisal without the sales blurb. You've re-set the industry standard with these comparison videos. Can't thank you enough.
I’ll say it again the AX ( Stockli) is the best ski I have had, after 55 years skiing it brought the fun back. I tried many demos when I made this choice, the difference was clear.
Same. Bit younger but the ski is just the best. I rented a lot of skies bevor making the decision. The moment i stepped on the AX I was sure about what to buy.
racing background is probably the reason for that habit of lifting inside ski off the snow in most turns. also people old enough to have spent many years on LONG straight boards they (I) developed that style. It has taken lots of focus to just relax and roll and keep both skis on the snow. Unless there is so much pop tht both skis get airborne. lol great info
Best way to not pay a fortune is buy out of season. I loaded up 3 pairs of skis from Skiessentials around Memorial day (really good time to buy) for the price of one pair of Stockli's.
@@bearclaw5115 Stocklis occasionally get cheap out of season (though typically you need to be in person to get the deal and their may be minimum advertised price restrictions on online deals?). I got new 2024 Montero AX skis for $650 in a shop last May and the same shop had the ARs for $700. Definitely an exception though, most shops had Stocklis discounted hardly if at all.
Stöckli AX versus Peregrine 80: Please compare directly! I keep watching this over and over again. Without the opportunity to demo 2025 skis, your description of the Stöckli AX and the Peregrine 80 sound like either of these would be up my ally. I'm replacing a 2019 Atomic Vantage 82ti, 3 ski quiver it's the narrowest and I loved it over the Deacon 84 as the second choice. I loved how responsive and active the Vantage was, I usually am in the 176-180cm range but went short with the vantage at 167. Been a ton of fun, but it's time for a replacement. Would really appreciate your insight! Quiver: '19 Vantage 82ti, '21 Vantage 86c, '21 Icelantic Nomad lite 105
Thank you for the excellent review. I’m an immediate skier who likes easy turn initiation and release, together with stability at speed and get a lot of icy conditions. I have been considering buying the Peregrine 80 but liked your comments on the Stance 80. Of these which would recommend for this ability? Cheers
I demoed the steadfast 80 DC last spring and absolutely loved it! Enjoyed the 85 last demo day but the 80 I think I will have to pick up as my fun carver
Interesting comments about the Armada 82ti as in its perceived popularity and recognition. They didn't even bring the 82s into NZ this year. My 2023 ones were easily my favourite ski this year here and in Europe earlier. They absolutely exceeded my performance expectations, especially for how light they are. So, your Black Friday sale guys, be nice so I can get a new set as my old ones are probably at the early season rock hopper stage now and I am super curious on trying the core change......😉
There's more of a dense feel in the 2025 for sure. I didn't feel that they took a huge downturn from an energy perspective, although that was a standout feature of the previous versions. Confidence in a carve is the biggest bonus of the new build. Keep in mind that 2025 product cannot be discounted on our site until about March. That said, if you have loyalty points from us, you can use those on 2025 skis.
Hi guys, thanks for all your work? Will you do a review of the new Fischer GTX ? Also I didn't see the old 2022 and 2023 just ''Curv GT" 76mm wide in any of these mid width comparisons.. I would like to see the curv gtx compared to the forza 70, addikt pro 76, and other similar waist/ type of product/ target skier.. Bye !
We didn't bring in any GTX skis so haven't gotten a chance to give them the test/review/comparison treatment. Same with the Curv GT--we had it the first year and then not since.
I would love to hear y’all’s thoughts on this category of ski, wide race inspired carving, compared to the new Rossignol Arcade. On the surface it looks like the Arcade is the same ethos as these skis, but what would yall highlights as the key differences. Thanks in advance!
I found the Arcade skis, both 84 and 88 to be exceptional front side carvers and not quite as versatile as they indicate in their catalog. The 84 is very happy making clean and round carves on groomers, but with the stiff flex and short radius, it feels a lot more like a wide front side ski like the Atomic Redster Q9.8 or the Nordica Spitfire 80.
Hi I’m looking for some new All Mountain skies, I am 19 years old and approximately 5’11 and weight around 145 pounds/65kg. I’m looking at the Salomon stance 80/84, Dynastar M-Cross 78 and the Armada Declivity 82 Any other recommendations. I currently have the Atomic Punx Jr Grey I’m at a level where I’ve been on a few skiing trips to Norway a few times and France too. Looking to up a level with new skies. Any advice would be greatly appreciated
For all-mountain skis that are a level up, I'd narrow focus to the Stance 84 and the Declivity 82. Nice to have a bit of width for a balanced platform. The Declivity is a bit stiffer and a bit more carving-oriented while the Stance has more rocker and a more versatile character. I think you've already outgrown the M-Cross 78.
I just got Montero AX Orea - I guess you have to pay extra to not have logos…. Man, apart for looking great and stealthy, they are the best resort ski I ever had… no contest
Can't decide between the Armada Declivity 82TI 174cm and the Blizzard Anomaly 84 176cm for intermediate skiing 80% on-piste in Europe. But i want the versatility, and the option to go on easy tours aswell. What would you recommend? And is there a binding you would recommend for this application? Or should i get 2 different bindings, All-Mountain / Touring? I'm also considering the Salomon 80 or 84 and the Rossignol 82 Basalt because of the price, since i would get both of them with binding for 400,- the Anomaly + bind for 500,- and the Declivity + bind for 700,-
Declivity is a better set for intermediate skiing. It's light enough to handle tours as well. You're going to want a hybrid binding like the Salomon Shift for this application.
Just had a good week on the peregrine 80. No complaints but I fancy trying something that’s better in the short skidded turns in the crud but can still carve groomers. I’ve been looking at the m cross 82, do you think any others would be suitable? Maybe some from the mid 80’s video as well?
177. I do think I'd like to try the 184 as I haven't yet, but they really do not bring that length to many of the demos we attend--it's a rare size for trying.
Thanks for the incredible helpfull video. This season I'm planning to replace my good old K2 AMP Rictor 82 XTI's from 2014. I'm thinking of buying peregrine 80 or 82. Will this be a good choice in regard to charecteristics of the ski? I like K2's forgiveness as I'm an intermediate to advanced skier skiing the groomed slopes in Europe. I'm a big guy of 192cm and weighing +240 lbs so I definetely need as ski with some body. @Skiessentials What's your advice on ski and length? Shall I go for 177 or 184 when I go for Peregrine? Or do you advise another model more suiting the charecteristics of the Rictor 82 XTI's?
I bet you're more in the market for the 82 as it uses metal in the build. That'll hold up better for you and provide more similarities with the K2. I'd go with the 182 in the 82.
Thank you for the great comparison. What would you choose if you needed to select between Volkl Peregrine 80 and Blizzard Thunderbird? I'm looking for something versatile for all conditions. I would switch from Volkl Racetiger SC.
I'd say the Peregrine is more versatile while the Thunderbird is more carvy and race like. I prefer the sturdier and carvier feel of the Thunderbird for on-trail, but the Peregrine is an awesome ski for bumps and quick turns on the side of the trail.
Thank you for the direct comparison of the declivity 82 with skis on the left side of the wall! I find it so difficult to gauge the level of that ski compared to others. How would you compare the declivity’s carving characteristics with the peregrines? Are they miles apart?
Declivity feels bouncier and more lively. You can access the entirety of the performance of the Declivity while most skiers won't quite find the limit of the heftier and burlier Peregrine. The binding matters, too, as the Peregrine's system puts you up higher and creates more leverage. Most skiers will put a flat binding (not demo) on the Declivity, bringing forth its all-mountain capacity.
These videos are great! I currently own the Volkl M6 177. I want to get something in this category or even narrower to be a focused front side carving machine. Im a solid intermediate, 47 years old, 6' and 185. Im really trying to improve my carving abilities. I primarily ski Gore and some of the noethern range of VT. Budget is not a constraint. Any recommendations based on that?
I really like skis in the mid to upper 70's for focused carvers. I'd check out the Blizzard Thunderbird R15, the Rossignol Forza 70, and the Head Superhape Rally. If you are looking for an 80, then the Stockli Montero AX is a prime ski while the Nordica Spitfire 80 is one of my personal favorites.
These reviews are brilliant. Was gonna buy last year and chickened out. Love the look of the Elan Wingman and your specific reviews on them indicate the amphibio nature really aid carving the skis. Stuck between Wingman 82Ti and 82 Cti... I ski in Europe so piste mainly. I'm an intermediate/advanced skier I guess. Get down anything (done the Wall and Harikari - just!) but really need to work on carving. Carving reds most enjoyable for me.. occasionally hitting around 40+ mph. Always had 72-76 mm renters (Rossi Hero MT/Dobermann Spitfire Pro etc) but want my own slightly more versatile skis for occasional off piste and also need to improve moguls which is a real weakness. Thought the Ti due to predictability but then you said if you want to work on carving the the Cti. What do you reckon?
Both are quite good at carving, the CTi has more energy and feedback through a carved turn due to the carbon rods. The lack of those rods in the Ti version allows for better mogul and short turn compliance. It sounds like you're looking at the Ti version to me.
Hi guys, another great review. I was wondering if you have tried the new 2025 Rossignol Experience 80 Ca? I was surprised not finding it on your test but maybe it just came out.
We just don't do a lot of volume with skis like that so they kind of fly under our radar. In the past, it's been a great option for intermediate and advanced skiers who spend most of their time on trail and carving smooth, clean, and round turns. Nothing exceptional here, just a nice, well-rounded on-trail ski!
@@SkiEssentials I am not an exceptional skier either, so i think i will give them a try :) I have the 2017 Exp. 84 Basalt and i am looking into similar performance on a slightly narrower, newer and lighter pair of skis. Thank you very much
Im torn between the Peregrine 76 and the Thunderbird r15 as a fast frontside carver. When im skiing with my family i ride the mirus cor. But when the kids are in lessons I need something that rips. Im an x-racer, so i was thinking the peregrine, but your review of the thunderbird seemed way more positive. And the thunderbird is stiffer too. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Love the videos!
The Peregrine does have some more race-like characteristics in terms of build, but the shape and profile of the Thunderbird are more grounded and stable. If you want more direct precision and power to the snow, I'd go with the Blizzard.
I'm thinking that something on this wall is what my son needs. 5'6" (168cm), 140 lb, likes to ski fast, no technical training but natural skier/athlete, mostly groomers (could be ice, could be boot deep in new wet eastern snow), occasionally woods or moguls. If price was no object, then Stockli Monteros, but... What do you recommend? Demoing is very difficult to arrange. He doesn't live near the slopes. Do you have a can't-go-wrong option available on sale in your warehouse? He liked my Peak 88's, but I think they're a little wider than optimal for him.
i like to go fast on groomers like 75% either carving or just straight lining,and like 25% having fun on sidebumps or jumping every bump i see on a groomer. 20 years old high intermediate/low advanced about 175 pounds what ski do you suggest out of this list the most
@@danielschroder4407 I'd say the loss is minimal. Depends on how often you're operating at high speeds, but I feel like most skiers aren't going as fast as they think they will a lot of the time.
On the Peregrine 80 you mentioned "long rocker but little splay." Does that mean that on edge part of the rocker will engage adding to the effective edge length. What I'm really wanting to know is does this have wowee edge grip on eastern hardpack?
It's a smoother engagement rather than a pull you into the turn with vigor style like Head Magnum or something like that. Once you're engaged, there's no issue with grip on hard pack.
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Really helpful videos! Need help! I had a Rossi short turn Ti and kore 93 when I was in northern east Canada, now I moved to California, could use some advice for one ski quiver! I will mostly go Tahoe or whistler, I enjoy carving down the hills, hit side jumps here and there, sometimes trees. I found my Rossi short turns can be punishing but when the condition is right it’s really good. I ski my kore 93 most days, it’s light and playful, I skied it when I visited whistler, I wish it can be more stable at the speed. I am 5’10. 154lb. What options would be good for me? Thanks!
It's tough to argue against the Stockli Montero AX if you're in the 80 mm zone. I'd also put in a vote for the Nordica Spitfire 80 for more of a precise feel or the Armada Declivity 82 for more all-mountain use.
Hey! I’m a 22 years old ski instructor, somewhere in between intermediate to expert. I am searching for skis for my off days, something that I’ll be able to carve at different turn sizes and yet be playful at the bumps and in tree runs. Also, this will be my only skis for the season and I’m based in Colorado. So I definitely need something that can at least survive some powder. I thought about the m-cross 82 for its versatility. Would you agree? Would you recommend something else? Thank you so much in advance!!!
M-Cross is great because it has such good carving chops for having more of an all-mountain profile. This mixes on and off-trail skiing quite effectively. I'd say the Armada Declivity 82 and the Blizzard Anomaly 84 also contain these characteristics.
Can't decide between the Stance 80 169cm and the M-Cross 78 172cm for beginner/intermediate skiing 95% on-piste in Europe. What would you recommend? During my last trip i rented the Montero AX 168(i liked that better)+173 but they are a little bit too pricy :D
The Stance 80 is a bit closer in performance level and snow feel to the AX. If you're looking for that type of feel, I'd go that route. Nothing wrong with the M-Cross 78, though! Great skis at an awesome value.
Hi, I need to decide between Curv gt80, Spitfire 80 and Peregrine 80. I am looking for ski with good edge riding, medium and longer turns, sometimes with high speed and variable snow conditions. Also with a bit of race ski and playfull as well. Can you advise ? Thanks a nd really good job.
I really like the Spitfire 80's capabilities when it comes to your checklist. The Curv and the Peregrine will do them, but not as well as the Nordica which has an awesome blend of smoothness, power, and usability.
Yes, although I'll say it's more noticeable in the transitions between turns versus simply the engagement. It is smoother at both entry and exit phases.
Does the K2 Dark Matter feel anything like the Stokli rubber dust? I had the K2 78 ti. It's remarkably damp. It was actually a little bit too damp for me. I like a little more feedback. I ended up selling them. But the performance can't be denied
I don't think so only because it's in such a specific location in the shovels and the tails (model applicable). The rubber dust is whole ski so it feels like a more cohesive thing. That said, the K2's do a great job with that I-Beam and the stiffer sidewall underfoot, so there's certainly something there when it comes to damping--I totally hear what you're saying.
I am looking for a new pair of skis, and it's down to Peregrine 76, 80 or Head Supershape e-Rally...just wondering how these 3 are on hard to icy surface, as we have a lot of it where I ski. What would be the recommendation here, or does it even matter at all?
The Peregrine 76 and the Rally are a lot more similar in terms of density, stability, and power. The 80 is a lighter duty ski that still has a lot of good grip and energy, but not quite the race-like feel of the other two which contain 2 sheets of metal and denser wood cores.
Great reviews again. You guys rock. I've been a Head Rally fan the past few years. Just curious. I know you guys like the ski. What lengths do you Bob and Jeff like and ski on this ski? I'm guessing 170 and 177 ? Maybe both like the 170?
We're both on the 177 here and totally comfortable. For 2025 they added a 184 and I think that'd be too long for me (bob). Jeff could go 170 for sure but he likes speed more than me.
@@SkiEssentials Great answer. I'm older. Former instructor and junior race coach. Ski 170 and have fun carving shorter turns on it. More Jeffs size, but his skill level is "years" behind me now. Might move up to a 177 not because the 170 isn't great......but just to change things up a little on the mostly groomed carver runs.
Help. I currently ski an atomic s9, head kore 99 ,enforcer 94. Looking for an 80 waist ski I can carve on and take off trail a little in the northeast. I’m 6’4 230 geared up. Advanced skier. Can you recommend 2 or three. Was thinking liberty evolv 84 , Rossi 86 ti, volkl kanjo 84. What are your thoughts
Just as a heads up, the three skis on your list are not currently offered for 2025--you'll have to find a 2024 version if you want to stick to those. That said, in the mid-80's these are great choices. The Rossignol is the most advanced of the three with a lot of power and precision. Evolv is a great carver, but not very versatile. The Kanjo is light and agile but not as stable or sturdy. For 2025, the Rossignol Arcade 84, Armada Declivity 82, and the Blizzard Anomaly 84 are awesome skis.
@@SkiEssentials really liking what I’m seeing with the armada. How would you feel about mounting a pivot on that ski? Or would something with a little more height be preferred for the carving aspect of the ski
@@leefritchman9643 The 75 brake of pivot would be a slight stretch. It's a better fit than the 95, though. I think a Strive or a Griffon would be better as the brake tucks in nicer.
Great reviews! I'm a low intermediate looking for my first pair. I'm considering the Stance 80 (I intend to stay on piste). However, I'm split between 169cm and 177cm (6'0'' foot tall + 200lbs weight). What is your friendly advice?
It will be the wide body because they stated 76mm width. Not sure they have the 70mm version in North America because their review last year also missed the WB designation. I've skied both in Verbier and preferred the WB version.
We are only seeing the WB 76 in Blizzard's catalog for this year. Perhaps the narrow one is now available in other markets, but we haven't seen it here in North America in a few seasons.
Just wanted to let you know that: In the written comparison under the Peregrine 80, the "Buy Now" and "Ski Test Results" links seem to be switched. Also, it seems that the Peregrine 80 is the only ski missing a section with ratings and reviews from other testers. Would that feedback be available? Thanks for the great content!
Thanks for the heads up! Will alert IT. For the feedback, we can only include what was submitted, and it doesn't look like many testers got on that ski (as our test was three powder days). I will reach out to our staff who did ski it and perhaps neglected to fill out a form, and get that info submitted.
Love these comparisons - any chance you might look at the Atomic Q5 2025 version - I realise they're the low end of the budget, but the previous year models were all over the slopes for the last 2 seasons so seem to be very popular
We will likely not look closer at that ski as we've covered the Q7 and Q9 pretty extensively so far. Basically, though, the 5 will filter the technology from the 7 and 9, making it more accessible for intermediate skiers who are looking for a more budget friendly option.
They always do! I have a pair myself with a race plate on them and they are quite the ski. My opinion is that they are what you graduate to once you've mastered some of the better skis in this comparison. They are very precise and can shoot you into the air between turns if you really go for it. You can vary your turn radius easily and thankfully you can get to the brakes very easily with the slightest drift. They glide better than any other ski I've ridden, you are going to have a fast day when you're on them! One day last year I finished and realized my hearing had taken a bit of a beating. It was from ripping groomers non-stop at 45+. Hope you have a sleek/quiet helmet!
@@bearclaw5115 thank you! I tested the x9s last year, and loved them, but felt like I could handle a bit more so ahead of this season I bought the x9RS, and it would be interesting to hear them speak about them as u could then have a reference for the rest of the skis, not that I could buy any of them haha
@@SkiEssentials ok interesting, they do! But it doesn’t show up when scrolling their website, you have to google it and it pops up, I bought a pair and am in love
Always happy to define a term! Front side, especially in the US, refers to groomed trails of various steepness and width. Resort skiing. Basically, a front side ski is a carving ski and is a lot happier on smooth and manicured trails than it is in bumps, trees, crud, chop, or anything soft.
I would have liked to see an exception for the MX 74. I always felt like mine was a little more playful than most 74 mm skis..... unless there's another even narrower video coming out soon😮😮😮???
They do a narrower video typically, last year they included the MX75 in the narrower 65-75 front side video. m.ruclips.net/video/xB8lIl3ut8s/видео.html They already did a standalone on the MX74 for 2025 a month ago as well. m.ruclips.net/video/FvEcNWR1IL4/видео.html
We talked about it, and it was on the original wide frontside list, but in order to balance the number of skis on each wall (narrow and wide), we elected to keep it in its narrow zone. Also, there are a lot of 75's from Atomic and Rossignol that we needed to have in the narrow comparison, so it just kind of had to go there. It's nice to have a more all-mountain ski in the narrow group to provide balance and to show the range of skis in a certain width zone.
I am an advanced skier (190cm), prefering short turns. I have the Curve 80/85 or Peregrine 80 in focus. Which ski would you recommend and which length. (If Peregrine, 177 or 182?).
For short carved turns, the Curv is a better ski, but for short skidded turns and easier access to the performance, the Peregrine is more engaging. I think the Peregrine is a better all-mountain option with greater versatility while the Curv is more locked into a carved turn shape and style. I'd say the 182 is a better length than 177.
Thanks for the huge amount of work you take into all of the videos! Masterclass as usual! Just one, but important question: Do you tune the new skis before testing or test them as they are coming out of the factory wrap? In most of the cases, factory base bevels are "inaccurate" and they have a quite bad effect on the skiing experience. TIA
We normally ski them right out of the wrapper if they come to us. If a rep brings them, they've more than likely gone through a tuning machine at some point, but also we seem to get first crack at a lot of very new skis. From time to time we can tell if a factory tune is off and it does affect the performance.
It does not take long for groomers to get carved up.. So on and off edges fast is important for me but also to be able handle the ice to crud transition.. Early season groomer skis;) I watched your Stockli AS video and your Stockli AX and I heard you say that AX and AR have changed for this season but AS has not.. When you talk about AS being faster but also good at slow speed what do you mean by that? Is it faster on and off edges or faster when it comes to a speed limit.. I also saw in both of your videos that you were skiing both skis in crud.. And you even mentioned how they are both good in the moguls.. You mentioned how all Monteros are softer in the tips.. I know that some of Kastle skis are softer in the tips and I was not a huge fan of that.. Which Montero would be the best for early season when there are a ton of people on the 1 or 2 runs that are open with carved up crud? The other thing that I will mention is that my 25 year old race skis are 70mm x 170cm.. All my other skis are 177-184 range.. What benefit would I have with going with a Montero 177?
I'll try your questions in order: 1. The AS can make clean and round turns at a variety of speeds better than some that can't. Thunderbird, for example, doesn't really start to smooth out until you get it up to speed. AS can make relatively easy and fun turns at slower speeds. It's also super-smooth like all Stockli, so you can let it run and it's quiet and composed in straighter-line speeds. 2. I would say the AX is the best Montero for early season trail skiing with munched up groomers. 3. Vs. your older race skis with a 70 mm waist, you're getting a more composed and quiet feel with a Montero. You're likely getting a shorter radius with any of them, specifically the AX. Like you said, the shovels are a bit softer for easier initiation and increased versatility, so that will be a change from a stiffer race ski, assuming that's what you've got. The Montero is more compliant and eager to initiate a turn as a result and you don't have to drive so hard to get them up on edge.
Also… If anyone has experience on the Wingman 82 TI and the 86 TI, I’d love to hear it. Full disclosure, I bought the MindBender 89C and that ski is way to floppy for me.
Based on the boys separate video review, and some email advice, I bought the Wingman 82ti. I was looking for something to cruise around the groomers on, something a bit lighter and a bit easier to turn. I'm 55yr male 173cm 83kg advanced skier. I skied them Australian winter 2024, found them to be exactly what I was after. The description above is spot on, I found them easy to turn, effortless and predictable. You can carve them, skid them, easily come out of a turn, don't throw you into the back-seat. Best short turns I've ever done was on these and even a few bumps this year. Can rip it up when you want but at higher speeds (70kph gps) they do get a bit of chatter in the tips being softer and a bit more flex. If you want to rip it all day, hard aggressive skiing (expert level), I'd probably suggest the 82cti. The 82ti wingman is the perfect intermediate ski for someone looking to improve, to an all day cruiser for the advanced skier.
The 86 Ti has a bit more rocker in tips and tails than the 82. Other than the width, that's the biggest difference on paper. On snow, the 86 does feel more versatile and amenable to bumps, trees, and other off-piste zones while the 82 feels more glued to the snow in a groomer and carving format.
No one even comes close to the quality of your description of what skis are all about. There's no competition to you guys when setting up a comparison from one ski to another and who should buy that ski. Kudos!
👍You said it! These guys are Phd Skiologists! Absolute go too for any and all ski product info
@@sgoldie3235 PHD's? Sheeeeit, these guys teach the PHD's. They are running the school!
Kindness all around with this thread!
@@SkiEssentialsI just tripped over you two, nice job Men, straight talk with out the ski shop snobbery?
Keep rockin
This is it boys! This is the one I’ve been waiting for!!!
You guys are awesome! I’ve watched this video like 10 times going back and forth on a pairs of skis, zoning in on one, looking for ‘tells” on personal preferences and experiences while being being fair to the brands. After a couple of beers, your command of the English language and word pong back and forth becomes poetic. Not many can do what you do this well. Thank you!
Thanks so much!
I have last years version of Declivity 82's. I was blown away by them and absolutely love them. They are fun yet they carve hard and almost make you a better skier. Everyone that I let try them have been super impressed with them too.
I’m so in doubt buying this year’s model. I retired my 12(?) years old Nordica fire arrow 80 pro, which was a strong carving ski, but also twin tip and playful. It feels a bit today’s offering is either playful, or solely power, and I’m afraid to buy the declivity and find out it’s a lower speed limit than I had.
How do you find your declivity?
Thanks for another incredibly informative review. This is my 'everyday' ski category. Last winter I decided to try out Thunderbird R15 WBs based on your review. Took them out for a test run and found everything you said about them was absolutely true! They're mine now and I love them. I've got some fatties for steeper and deeper but snow conditions meant I skiied the Thunderbirds about 50 days. I can't ask for anything more than an accurate, qualified appraisal without the sales blurb. You've re-set the industry standard with these comparison videos. Can't thank you enough.
Thanks so much! We still love that R15!
Appreciate all the hard work that goes into these, thanks SE team!
I’ll say it again the AX ( Stockli) is the best ski I have had, after 55 years skiing it brought the fun back. I tried many demos when I made this choice, the difference was clear.
Looks really fun and intuitive. I'd definitely like to try them!
They are amazing--the 2025 version was a standout ski for me this season for sure.
Same. Bit younger but the ski is just the best. I rented a lot of skies bevor making the decision. The moment i stepped on the AX I was sure about what to buy.
What level skier are you?
Ever skiied the Head Titan? Looking for a replacement and considering Stockli. Maybe one in the 80s though.
racing background is probably the reason for that habit of lifting inside ski off the snow in most turns. also people old enough to have spent many years on LONG straight boards they (I) developed that style. It has taken lots of focus to just relax and roll and keep both skis on the snow. Unless there is so much pop tht both skis get airborne. lol great info
Think it's nice you guys included dynastar cross 78 in your comparison... Good for beginner skier to get on a decent ski without paying a fortune!
Best way to not pay a fortune is buy out of season. I loaded up 3 pairs of skis from Skiessentials around Memorial day (really good time to buy) for the price of one pair of Stockli's.
@@bearclaw5115 Stocklis occasionally get cheap out of season (though typically you need to be in person to get the deal and their may be minimum advertised price restrictions on online deals?). I got new 2024 Montero AX skis for $650 in a shop last May and the same shop had the ARs for $700. Definitely an exception though, most shops had Stocklis discounted hardly if at all.
Loved seeing the wipeout on the Peregrine 80. Really important to analyze how each ski responds to tomahawking in powder ;)
Gotta leave those clips in!
Can’t figure out what stockli montero ax weigh in comparison so some 100mm skis im looking at. There you refer to 1700-2100 grams range.
Stöckli AX versus Peregrine 80: Please compare directly!
I keep watching this over and over again. Without the opportunity to demo 2025 skis, your description of the Stöckli AX and the Peregrine 80 sound like either of these would be up my ally. I'm replacing a 2019 Atomic Vantage 82ti, 3 ski quiver it's the narrowest and I loved it over the Deacon 84 as the second choice. I loved how responsive and active the Vantage was, I usually am in the 176-180cm range but went short with the vantage at 167. Been a ton of fun, but it's time for a replacement. Would really appreciate your insight!
Quiver: '19 Vantage 82ti, '21 Vantage 86c, '21 Icelantic Nomad lite 105
Thank you for the excellent review. I’m an immediate skier who likes easy turn initiation and release, together with stability at speed and get a lot of icy conditions. I have been considering buying the Peregrine 80 but liked your comments on the Stance 80. Of these which would recommend for this ability? Cheers
I demoed the steadfast 80 DC last spring and absolutely loved it! Enjoyed the 85 last demo day but the 80 I think I will have to pick up as my fun carver
Great to hear! I love the Steadfast series and found the 85 to be an exceptional resort ski.
Interesting comments about the Armada 82ti as in its perceived popularity and recognition. They didn't even bring the 82s into NZ this year.
My 2023 ones were easily my favourite ski this year here and in Europe earlier. They absolutely exceeded my performance expectations, especially for how light they are.
So, your Black Friday sale guys, be nice so I can get a new set as my old ones are probably at the early season rock hopper stage now and I am super curious on trying the core change......😉
There's more of a dense feel in the 2025 for sure. I didn't feel that they took a huge downturn from an energy perspective, although that was a standout feature of the previous versions. Confidence in a carve is the biggest bonus of the new build. Keep in mind that 2025 product cannot be discounted on our site until about March. That said, if you have loyalty points from us, you can use those on 2025 skis.
Can't wait for the next one, I wanna see some piston plates!
You will see a smattering of race plates in the narrow comparison.
@@SkiEssentials I'm in tears
Hi guys, thanks for all your work? Will you do a review of the new Fischer GTX ? Also I didn't see the old 2022 and 2023 just ''Curv GT" 76mm wide in any of these mid width comparisons.. I would like to see the curv gtx compared to the forza 70, addikt pro 76, and other similar waist/ type of product/ target skier..
Bye !
We didn't bring in any GTX skis so haven't gotten a chance to give them the test/review/comparison treatment. Same with the Curv GT--we had it the first year and then not since.
I would love to hear y’all’s thoughts on this category of ski, wide race inspired carving, compared to the new Rossignol Arcade.
On the surface it looks like the Arcade is the same ethos as these skis, but what would yall highlights as the key differences.
Thanks in advance!
I found the Arcade skis, both 84 and 88 to be exceptional front side carvers and not quite as versatile as they indicate in their catalog. The 84 is very happy making clean and round carves on groomers, but with the stiff flex and short radius, it feels a lot more like a wide front side ski like the Atomic Redster Q9.8 or the Nordica Spitfire 80.
Hi I’m looking for some new All Mountain skies, I am 19 years old and approximately 5’11 and weight around 145 pounds/65kg. I’m looking at the Salomon stance 80/84, Dynastar M-Cross 78 and the Armada Declivity 82 Any other recommendations.
I currently have the Atomic Punx Jr Grey
I’m at a level where I’ve been on a few skiing trips to Norway a few times and France too. Looking to up a level with new skies.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated
For all-mountain skis that are a level up, I'd narrow focus to the Stance 84 and the Declivity 82. Nice to have a bit of width for a balanced platform. The Declivity is a bit stiffer and a bit more carving-oriented while the Stance has more rocker and a more versatile character. I think you've already outgrown the M-Cross 78.
@ thanks. I’m also looking at getting the Rossignol Sender Soul 92. Really high up in my list. But definitely will have a look at these too.
I just got Montero AX Orea - I guess you have to pay extra to not have logos…. Man, apart for looking great and stealthy, they are the best resort ski I ever had… no contest
So smooth!
Can't decide between the Armada Declivity 82TI 174cm and the Blizzard Anomaly 84 176cm for intermediate skiing 80% on-piste in Europe. But i want the versatility, and the option to go on easy tours aswell. What would you recommend? And is there a binding you would recommend for this application? Or should i get 2 different bindings, All-Mountain / Touring? I'm also considering the Salomon 80 or 84 and the Rossignol 82 Basalt because of the price, since i would get both of them with binding for 400,- the Anomaly + bind for 500,- and the Declivity + bind for 700,-
I have the same question.
Declivity is a better set for intermediate skiing. It's light enough to handle tours as well. You're going to want a hybrid binding like the Salomon Shift for this application.
Just had a good week on the peregrine 80. No complaints but I fancy trying something that’s better in the short skidded turns in the crud but can still carve groomers. I’ve been looking at the m cross 82, do you think any others would be suitable? Maybe some from the mid 80’s video as well?
I really like the Nordica Steadfast 85 for this type of application. Great carver but also can skid and be versatile.
@@SkiEssentials what would the key differences be for this compared to the peregrine 80?
Just put the exact size range in the title I couldn’t find your peregrine 76 review cuz I thought “no way they put 76 in their 80mm review”
What size Head E-Rally does Bob ski? I’m 6’1” 240, advanced, and not sure if I should go 184.
177. I do think I'd like to try the 184 as I haven't yet, but they really do not bring that length to many of the demos we attend--it's a rare size for trying.
Thanks for the incredible helpfull video. This season I'm planning to replace my good old K2 AMP Rictor 82 XTI's from 2014. I'm thinking of buying peregrine 80 or 82. Will this be a good choice in regard to charecteristics of the ski? I like K2's forgiveness as I'm an intermediate to advanced skier skiing the groomed slopes in Europe. I'm a big guy of 192cm and weighing +240 lbs so I definetely need as ski with some body. @Skiessentials What's your advice on ski and length? Shall I go for 177 or 184 when I go for Peregrine? Or do you advise another model more suiting the charecteristics of the Rictor 82 XTI's?
I bet you're more in the market for the 82 as it uses metal in the build. That'll hold up better for you and provide more similarities with the K2. I'd go with the 182 in the 82.
Thank you for the great comparison. What would you choose if you needed to select between Volkl Peregrine 80 and Blizzard Thunderbird? I'm looking for something versatile for all conditions. I would switch from Volkl Racetiger SC.
I'd say the Peregrine is more versatile while the Thunderbird is more carvy and race like. I prefer the sturdier and carvier feel of the Thunderbird for on-trail, but the Peregrine is an awesome ski for bumps and quick turns on the side of the trail.
Thank you for the direct comparison of the declivity 82 with skis on the left side of the wall! I find it so difficult to gauge the level of that ski compared to others.
How would you compare the declivity’s carving characteristics with the peregrines? Are they miles apart?
Declivity feels bouncier and more lively. You can access the entirety of the performance of the Declivity while most skiers won't quite find the limit of the heftier and burlier Peregrine. The binding matters, too, as the Peregrine's system puts you up higher and creates more leverage. Most skiers will put a flat binding (not demo) on the Declivity, bringing forth its all-mountain capacity.
@@SkiEssentials Thank you! So when looking at edge hold at speed, it’s peregrine 82, 80 and then declivity in your view?
Is Disruption 78ti so stiff as 82ti but quicker edge to edge?
These videos are great! I currently own the Volkl M6 177. I want to get something in this category or even narrower to be a focused front side carving machine. Im a solid intermediate, 47 years old, 6' and 185. Im really trying to improve my carving abilities. I primarily ski Gore and some of the noethern range of VT. Budget is not a constraint. Any recommendations based on that?
I really like skis in the mid to upper 70's for focused carvers. I'd check out the Blizzard Thunderbird R15, the Rossignol Forza 70, and the Head Superhape Rally. If you are looking for an 80, then the Stockli Montero AX is a prime ski while the Nordica Spitfire 80 is one of my personal favorites.
These reviews are brilliant. Was gonna buy last year and chickened out. Love the look of the Elan Wingman and your specific reviews on them indicate the amphibio nature really aid carving the skis. Stuck between Wingman 82Ti and 82 Cti... I ski in Europe so piste mainly. I'm an intermediate/advanced skier I guess. Get down anything (done the Wall and Harikari - just!) but really need to work on carving. Carving reds most enjoyable for me.. occasionally hitting around 40+ mph. Always had 72-76 mm renters (Rossi Hero MT/Dobermann Spitfire Pro etc) but want my own slightly more versatile skis for occasional off piste and also need to improve moguls which is a real weakness. Thought the Ti due to predictability but then you said if you want to work on carving the the Cti. What do you reckon?
Both are quite good at carving, the CTi has more energy and feedback through a carved turn due to the carbon rods. The lack of those rods in the Ti version allows for better mogul and short turn compliance. It sounds like you're looking at the Ti version to me.
@@SkiEssentials ok thank you.
Hi guys, another great review. I was wondering if you have tried the new 2025 Rossignol Experience 80 Ca? I was surprised not finding it on your test but maybe it just came out.
We just don't do a lot of volume with skis like that so they kind of fly under our radar. In the past, it's been a great option for intermediate and advanced skiers who spend most of their time on trail and carving smooth, clean, and round turns. Nothing exceptional here, just a nice, well-rounded on-trail ski!
@@SkiEssentials I am not an exceptional skier either, so i think i will give them a try :)
I have the 2017 Exp. 84 Basalt and i am looking into similar performance on a slightly narrower, newer and lighter pair of skis.
Thank you very much
Im torn between the Peregrine 76 and the Thunderbird r15 as a fast frontside carver.
When im skiing with my family i ride the mirus cor. But when the kids are in lessons I need something that rips.
Im an x-racer, so i was thinking the peregrine, but your review of the thunderbird seemed way more positive. And the thunderbird is stiffer too. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Love the videos!
The Peregrine does have some more race-like characteristics in terms of build, but the shape and profile of the Thunderbird are more grounded and stable. If you want more direct precision and power to the snow, I'd go with the Blizzard.
@@SkiEssentialsThanks for the response!
In reference to the Stockli Montero AX, how are you guys dealing with the lack of a proper brake width when mounting a Look Pivot to an 80mm ski?
You have to get the 75 mm brake and it's on the tight side. Just a bit of bending, though, and it works just fine.
@@SkiEssentials I’d love to get a pivot for my Exp 86Ti, but I question if I could get it to fit at all.
@@Ceemysix it's an awkward width for a Pivot 95. They just came out with a 105 brake in the new Pivot 2.0, hopefully an 85 is on the horizon as well!
I'm thinking that something on this wall is what my son needs. 5'6" (168cm), 140 lb, likes to ski fast, no technical training but natural skier/athlete, mostly groomers (could be ice, could be boot deep in new wet eastern snow), occasionally woods or moguls. If price was no object, then Stockli Monteros, but... What do you recommend? Demoing is very difficult to arrange. He doesn't live near the slopes. Do you have a can't-go-wrong option available on sale in your warehouse? He liked my Peak 88's, but I think they're a little wider than optimal for him.
Armada Declivity 82, Blizzard Anomaly 84, and Salomon Stance 84 are all very safe bets here!
i like to go fast on groomers like 75% either carving or just straight lining,and like 25% having fun on sidebumps or jumping every bump i see on a groomer. 20 years old high intermediate/low advanced about 175 pounds what ski do you suggest out of this list the most
I really like the Stockli Montero AX and the Armada Declivity 82 Ti. If you're more into the carve, then the Nordica Steadfast 80.
@@SkiEssentials thank you! for the armada's do you think the 174 is better or the 182 im about 187 cm and i like to ski hard
@@danielschroder4407 If you're 187 and pretty aggressive, I'd go 182 here.
@@SkiEssentials im 80 kg, will i lose a lot of stability in the 174 or is it minimal
@@danielschroder4407 I'd say the loss is minimal. Depends on how often you're operating at high speeds, but I feel like most skiers aren't going as fast as they think they will a lot of the time.
On the Peregrine 80 you mentioned "long rocker but little splay." Does that mean that on edge part of the rocker will engage adding to the effective edge length. What I'm really wanting to know is does this have wowee edge grip on eastern hardpack?
It's a smoother engagement rather than a pull you into the turn with vigor style like Head Magnum or something like that. Once you're engaged, there's no issue with grip on hard pack.
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Really helpful videos! Need help! I had a Rossi short turn Ti and kore 93 when I was in northern east Canada, now I moved to California, could use some advice for one ski quiver! I will mostly go Tahoe or whistler, I enjoy carving down the hills, hit side jumps here and there, sometimes trees. I found my Rossi short turns can be punishing but when the condition is right it’s really good. I ski my kore 93 most days, it’s light and playful, I skied it when I visited whistler, I wish it can be more stable at the speed. I am 5’10. 154lb. What options would be good for me? Thanks!
It's tough to argue against the Stockli Montero AX if you're in the 80 mm zone. I'd also put in a vote for the Nordica Spitfire 80 for more of a precise feel or the Armada Declivity 82 for more all-mountain use.
@@SkiEssentialsappreciate it ❤
@@SkiEssentials stockli AX really appealing to me, now I am debating what length to get, 173 vs 178
Hey! I’m a 22 years old ski instructor, somewhere in between intermediate to expert. I am searching for skis for my off days, something that I’ll be able to carve at different turn sizes and yet be playful at the bumps and in tree runs. Also, this will be my only skis for the season and I’m based in Colorado. So I definitely need something that can at least survive some powder. I thought about the m-cross 82 for its versatility. Would you agree? Would you recommend something else?
Thank you so much in advance!!!
M-Cross is great because it has such good carving chops for having more of an all-mountain profile. This mixes on and off-trail skiing quite effectively. I'd say the Armada Declivity 82 and the Blizzard Anomaly 84 also contain these characteristics.
Can't decide between the Stance 80 169cm and the M-Cross 78 172cm for beginner/intermediate skiing 95% on-piste in Europe. What would you recommend?
During my last trip i rented the Montero AX 168(i liked that better)+173 but they are a little bit too pricy :D
The Stance 80 is a bit closer in performance level and snow feel to the AX. If you're looking for that type of feel, I'd go that route. Nothing wrong with the M-Cross 78, though! Great skis at an awesome value.
@@SkiEssentials Thanks for the advice, got the 2024 stance 80 model today for 330€ (incl. tax) here in germany , super happy.
Hi, I need to decide between Curv gt80, Spitfire 80 and Peregrine 80. I am looking for ski with good edge riding, medium and longer turns, sometimes with high speed and variable snow conditions. Also with a bit of race ski and playfull as well. Can you advise ? Thanks a nd really good job.
I really like the Spitfire 80's capabilities when it comes to your checklist. The Curv and the Peregrine will do them, but not as well as the Nordica which has an awesome blend of smoothness, power, and usability.
Is there really a difference in term of turn engagement between the Elan asymmetrical construction and others skis ?
Yes, although I'll say it's more noticeable in the transitions between turns versus simply the engagement. It is smoother at both entry and exit phases.
Does the K2 Dark Matter feel anything like the Stokli rubber dust?
I had the K2 78 ti. It's remarkably damp. It was actually a little bit too damp for me. I like a little more feedback. I ended up selling them. But the performance can't be denied
I don't think so only because it's in such a specific location in the shovels and the tails (model applicable). The rubber dust is whole ski so it feels like a more cohesive thing. That said, the K2's do a great job with that I-Beam and the stiffer sidewall underfoot, so there's certainly something there when it comes to damping--I totally hear what you're saying.
I am looking for a new pair of skis, and it's down to Peregrine 76, 80 or Head Supershape e-Rally...just wondering how these 3 are on hard to icy surface, as we have a lot of it where I ski. What would be the recommendation here, or does it even matter at all?
The Peregrine 76 and the Rally are a lot more similar in terms of density, stability, and power. The 80 is a lighter duty ski that still has a lot of good grip and energy, but not quite the race-like feel of the other two which contain 2 sheets of metal and denser wood cores.
Great reviews again. You guys rock. I've been a Head Rally fan the past few years. Just curious. I know you guys like the ski. What lengths do you Bob and Jeff like and ski on this ski? I'm guessing 170 and 177 ? Maybe both like the 170?
We're both on the 177 here and totally comfortable. For 2025 they added a 184 and I think that'd be too long for me (bob). Jeff could go 170 for sure but he likes speed more than me.
@@SkiEssentials Great answer. I'm older. Former instructor and junior race coach. Ski 170 and have fun carving shorter turns on it. More Jeffs size, but his skill level is "years" behind me now. Might move up to a 177 not because the 170 isn't great......but just to change things up a little on the mostly groomed carver runs.
With the AX, did they move the mount point forward, like they did with the AR? I have last years with a demo binding and prefer it 1cm forward.
AX has the same mount point as it did last year.
Help. I currently ski an atomic s9, head kore 99 ,enforcer 94. Looking for an 80 waist ski I can carve on and take off trail a little in the northeast. I’m 6’4 230 geared up. Advanced skier. Can you recommend 2 or three. Was thinking liberty evolv 84 , Rossi 86 ti, volkl kanjo 84. What are your thoughts
Just as a heads up, the three skis on your list are not currently offered for 2025--you'll have to find a 2024 version if you want to stick to those. That said, in the mid-80's these are great choices. The Rossignol is the most advanced of the three with a lot of power and precision. Evolv is a great carver, but not very versatile. The Kanjo is light and agile but not as stable or sturdy. For 2025, the Rossignol Arcade 84, Armada Declivity 82, and the Blizzard Anomaly 84 are awesome skis.
@@SkiEssentials really liking what I’m seeing with the armada. How would you feel about mounting a pivot on that ski? Or would something with a little more height be preferred for the carving aspect of the ski
@@leefritchman9643 The 75 brake of pivot would be a slight stretch. It's a better fit than the 95, though. I think a Strive or a Griffon would be better as the brake tucks in nicer.
Great reviews! I'm a low intermediate looking for my first pair. I'm considering the Stance 80 (I intend to stay on piste). However, I'm split between 169cm and 177cm (6'0'' foot tall + 200lbs weight). What is your friendly advice?
I'd say the 177 is the way to go here. The skis are pretty easy to turn and if you're looking to improve, then the 177 will be a lot of fun.
Are you reviewing the Blizzard Thunderbird Wide Body (76mm wide) or the other one (70 mm)? They are kind of hard to tell apart...
It will be the wide body because they stated 76mm width. Not sure they have the 70mm version in North America because their review last year also missed the WB designation. I've skied both in Verbier and preferred the WB version.
We are only seeing the WB 76 in Blizzard's catalog for this year. Perhaps the narrow one is now available in other markets, but we haven't seen it here in North America in a few seasons.
@@SkiEssentials I thought that would be the case, I only saw the non-WB on their european site.
Just wanted to let you know that: In the written comparison under the Peregrine 80, the "Buy Now" and "Ski Test Results" links seem to be switched. Also, it seems that the Peregrine 80 is the only ski missing a section with ratings and reviews from other testers. Would that feedback be available? Thanks for the great content!
Thanks for the heads up! Will alert IT. For the feedback, we can only include what was submitted, and it doesn't look like many testers got on that ski (as our test was three powder days). I will reach out to our staff who did ski it and perhaps neglected to fill out a form, and get that info submitted.
At least in Europe you get a Spitfire 68.... but just a detail
Thanks for the great review!
Europe seems to get quite a bit more of the narrow skis than here in US.
Hey guys, great vid! Would you recommend the peregrine 80 for an intermediate, going on good, skier?
Yup! Easy to turn, quick edge to edge, and a high ceiling for when you improve and advance. Awesome skis.
Love these comparisons - any chance you might look at the Atomic Q5 2025 version - I realise they're the low end of the budget, but the previous year models were all over the slopes for the last 2 seasons so seem to be very popular
We will likely not look closer at that ski as we've covered the Q7 and Q9 pretty extensively so far. Basically, though, the 5 will filter the technology from the 7 and 9, making it more accessible for intermediate skiers who are looking for a more budget friendly option.
@@SkiEssentials makes sense! Thanks for the reply.
spitefire 80 looks like a super fluid carver, compared to peregrines that look more pivoty
I think you're spot-on here, and while I love them both, the Spitfire is certainly a more confident carver.
Sick! Could you include the redster x9RS in the narrow frontside comparison?
They always do! I have a pair myself with a race plate on them and they are quite the ski. My opinion is that they are what you graduate to once you've mastered some of the better skis in this comparison. They are very precise and can shoot you into the air between turns if you really go for it. You can vary your turn radius easily and thankfully you can get to the brakes very easily with the slightest drift. They glide better than any other ski I've ridden, you are going to have a fast day when you're on them! One day last year I finished and realized my hearing had taken a bit of a beating. It was from ripping groomers non-stop at 45+. Hope you have a sleek/quiet helmet!
@@bearclaw5115 thank you! I tested the x9s last year, and loved them, but felt like I could handle a bit more so ahead of this season I bought the x9RS, and it would be interesting to hear them speak about them as u could then have a reference for the rest of the skis, not that I could buy any of them haha
We will have the X9S. If they make it in an RS (same ski but with race plate), we haven't seen it yet.
@@SkiEssentials ok interesting, they do! But it doesn’t show up when scrolling their website, you have to google it and it pops up, I bought a pair and am in love
'’Quick question from Mr. Ignorant England. What’s the definition of ‘ frontside ` please?
Always happy to define a term! Front side, especially in the US, refers to groomed trails of various steepness and width. Resort skiing. Basically, a front side ski is a carving ski and is a lot happier on smooth and manicured trails than it is in bumps, trees, crud, chop, or anything soft.
I would have liked to see an exception for the MX 74. I always felt like mine was a little more playful than most 74 mm skis..... unless there's another even narrower video coming out soon😮😮😮???
They do a narrower video typically, last year they included the MX75 in the narrower 65-75 front side video.
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They already did a standalone on the MX74 for 2025 a month ago as well. m.ruclips.net/video/FvEcNWR1IL4/видео.html
There is, they've mentioned it even in this video!
We talked about it, and it was on the original wide frontside list, but in order to balance the number of skis on each wall (narrow and wide), we elected to keep it in its narrow zone. Also, there are a lot of 75's from Atomic and Rossignol that we needed to have in the narrow comparison, so it just kind of had to go there. It's nice to have a more all-mountain ski in the narrow group to provide balance and to show the range of skis in a certain width zone.
@@SkiEssentials good enough answer for me...
So now the REAL question : wich ski would you say was the best in the bumps amongst those ? 😅
I am an advanced skier (190cm), prefering short turns. I have the Curve 80/85 or Peregrine 80 in focus. Which ski would you recommend and which length. (If Peregrine, 177 or 182?).
For short carved turns, the Curv is a better ski, but for short skidded turns and easier access to the performance, the Peregrine is more engaging. I think the Peregrine is a better all-mountain option with greater versatility while the Curv is more locked into a carved turn shape and style. I'd say the 182 is a better length than 177.
Thanks for the huge amount of work you take into all of the videos! Masterclass as usual!
Just one, but important question:
Do you tune the new skis before testing or test them as they are coming out of the factory wrap?
In most of the cases, factory base bevels are "inaccurate" and they have a quite bad effect on the skiing experience.
TIA
We normally ski them right out of the wrapper if they come to us. If a rep brings them, they've more than likely gone through a tuning machine at some point, but also we seem to get first crack at a lot of very new skis. From time to time we can tell if a factory tune is off and it does affect the performance.
It does not take long for groomers to get carved up.. So on and off edges fast is important for me but also to be able handle the ice to crud transition.. Early season groomer skis;)
I watched your Stockli AS video and your Stockli AX and I heard you say that AX and AR have changed for this season but AS has not.. When you talk about AS being faster but also good at slow speed what do you mean by that? Is it faster on and off edges or faster when it comes to a speed limit.. I also saw in both of your videos that you were skiing both skis in crud.. And you even mentioned how they are both good in the moguls.. You mentioned how all Monteros are softer in the tips.. I know that some of Kastle skis are softer in the tips and I was not a huge fan of that.. Which Montero would be the best for early season when there are a ton of people on the 1 or 2 runs that are open with carved up crud? The other thing that I will mention is that my 25 year old race skis are 70mm x 170cm.. All my other skis are 177-184 range.. What benefit would I have with going with a Montero 177?
I'll try your questions in order:
1. The AS can make clean and round turns at a variety of speeds better than some that can't. Thunderbird, for example, doesn't really start to smooth out until you get it up to speed. AS can make relatively easy and fun turns at slower speeds. It's also super-smooth like all Stockli, so you can let it run and it's quiet and composed in straighter-line speeds.
2. I would say the AX is the best Montero for early season trail skiing with munched up groomers.
3. Vs. your older race skis with a 70 mm waist, you're getting a more composed and quiet feel with a Montero. You're likely getting a shorter radius with any of them, specifically the AX. Like you said, the shovels are a bit softer for easier initiation and increased versatility, so that will be a change from a stiffer race ski, assuming that's what you've got. The Montero is more compliant and eager to initiate a turn as a result and you don't have to drive so hard to get them up on edge.
Also… If anyone has experience on the Wingman 82 TI and the 86 TI, I’d love to hear it. Full disclosure, I bought the MindBender 89C and that ski is way to floppy for me.
Based on the boys separate video review, and some email advice, I bought the Wingman 82ti.
I was looking for something to cruise around the groomers on, something a bit lighter and a bit easier to turn. I'm 55yr male 173cm 83kg advanced skier.
I skied them Australian winter 2024, found them to be exactly what I was after. The description above is spot on, I found them easy to turn, effortless and predictable. You can carve them, skid them, easily come out of a turn, don't throw you into the back-seat. Best short turns I've ever done was on these and even a few bumps this year.
Can rip it up when you want but at higher speeds (70kph gps) they do get a bit of chatter in the tips being softer and a bit more flex. If you want to rip it all day, hard aggressive skiing (expert level), I'd probably suggest the 82cti.
The 82ti wingman is the perfect intermediate ski for someone looking to improve, to an all day cruiser for the advanced skier.
The 86 Ti has a bit more rocker in tips and tails than the 82. Other than the width, that's the biggest difference on paper. On snow, the 86 does feel more versatile and amenable to bumps, trees, and other off-piste zones while the 82 feels more glued to the snow in a groomer and carving format.
Best Bump ski that can go fast on Groomers from this list.
I'd say the Peregrine 80 or Declivity 82.
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