Thanks Tom! Just pick up my ID.4 1st Edition on Saturday and I'm loving it. This is my first EV and I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed with all of the information, especially the stuff that I DON'T know to ask about. Your videos and supplementary information have been invaluable. This vehicle is so different in almost every respect, that I think VW should offer classes in how to do just about everything. Your ID.4 charging video was fantastic and told me exactly what I needed to know. My Grizzl-E should be here in a few days and my electrician will be by soon to install the NEMA 15-50 receptacle. Still a lot to learn. Thanks for all of the information!
It's standard to only use 80% of the capacity of a given circuit. That means for a 40 amp usage, 60 amp circuit and wiring would be best. A 50 amp circuit and cabling should work but would heat up a bit. If you're having the circuit installed, just go with the 60 amp. No reason to select a lower amperage unless it's an existing outlet such as a dryer socket.
@@johnwang9914 the 80 percent rule already gives sufficient safety margin, so it should be fine operating at 40 amps. The socket itself is only rated for 50 amps anyways. It's not a bad idea to get wiring thick enough to handle 60 amps though. Many chargers let you hardwire them to get 48 amps (48 is 80 percent of 60).
@@Empiro3 There's always consideration for future requirements that should be taken into account and some older homes would require a sub-panel installed anyways so you might as well have the electrician wire for as much current as you can unless you are just extending your dryer outlet. If adding a sub-panel, maybe consider a transfer switch so you could easily attach a generator, yes some circuits would have to be moved to the sub-panel and the EVSE placed on the main panel once room and capacity has been freed but the transfer switch might add some emergency use flexibility... In truth, many city commuters could just get away with level 1 charging and just go with the existing 110/120 v outlet, and just top up either over the weekend or at a level 2 destination charger if your employer offers one or if you're using pay parking downtown, choosing one with level 2 destination chargers occasionally. If you are caught short before a long trip, there's always pay DC fast charging to top it off. I really wouldn't worry about it so long as you have a garage at home with 110/120 v lines unless you have a really long commute. There's at least one new home builder where I live that includes a level 2 EVSE in the garage as well as grid tied solar panels estimated to provide a portion, I think it's a third or a quarter of average household electricity use which means you can get really far with conservation but of course that's with a new home. If they want EV's to be the root of meeting international treaty requirements, they need to help people with both purchasing the cars and wiring, problem is the car dealers will likely soak up most of the subsidies, electricians are less likely to raise their prices to soak up a government subsidy but adding a 220/240 vac socket to an existing home isn't always easy.
I bought a Grizzl-e Classic as a result of Tom’s review. It is a great and informational review and I love the charger. There is one variable that Tom could not score the charger on and this is customer service. First off, let me say that I live in Hawaii and shipping to here is crazy expensive. Unfortunately, After a couple months of use, my charger started to show some intermittent faults. I am unsure what caused it but I contacted United Chargers and they offered a variety of suggestions and when the problem persisted, they immediately sent me a replacement at no charge to me. They took care of me immediately with no questions asked and this means more than ANY of those other scoring criteria that Tom mentions. Let’s add a perfect score for customer service for this Grizzle-e charger which should make United Charger products your number one choice. I am not so sure any other manufacturer could beat this level of service to a customer in Hawaii. A big thank you to United Chargers for their commitment to customer satisfaction. When considering a charger, please remember to keep customer service as one of your main criteria and United Chargers should be at the very top of your list.
@@eimi1584 No but there is an accessory you could buy that would stop others from disconnecting at a public charger or for use with your Grizzl-e. I have one and it works well.
I just bought one of these, it arrived 2 days ago. Not yet installed but I'm in the Canadian prairies so we get cold. I mainly bought this because it's very durable and can handle the cold. It helps that it's a Canadian company so they do understand the regional issues, the same can't be said for Tesla LOL
Just got one of these, with a 24 foot premium cable and it arrived in only 24 hours on Amazon prime. I’ll be installing it outside in the mountains of rural Maryland. Not the coldest state in the country but it has some weird weather on occasion and certainly below the 30s in the winter. Wanted to thank Tom for his review of this unit but also all the other reviews which I also checked out in order to determine this was the right unit. Wish everybody the best of luck in your EVSE journey
Great review as usual, Tom! One reason to spend the few bucks for the longer cable is, sometimes when I come home on a nice day and plan on going out again, I don’t pull in my garage. As an afterthought, I think I might as well plug in for a while, but then the cable on my Tesla supplied charger often isn’t long enough and I have to get back in and jockey the car. I know that’s trivial, but for only a few extra bucks, I’d go for the convenience and eliminate the small nuisance.
Hi Tom : the smart category points should be bumped down and leveraged on the others : as cars are now smart enough to not need this feature. Safety for all should get (for example) a 10 pts hike (or less if the product fails). Excellent review .. I was hesitating with 2 more units . now my mind is made up. Thanks !
Thank you for doing these reviews. They've even dropped the price on their website and the 24ft cable is now standard, so it'd get an even higher score under your rating system now. I wound up getting this one because I just wanted something simple without too many bells and whistles. Modern EVs all tend to be "smart" so it's hardly necessary for the charger to be. I only wish that there were indoor-only, low-cost chargers out there for folks who will only install chargers in their garage. I haven't been able to find anything like that.
Tom, great review! I was looking forward to it. This is a 10KW EVSE that’ll provide good capacity for the 11KW charger on the ID.4. Happy to know that it’ll resume charging after power out (needed in the summer rainy season in Naples FL). Will install inside between the two garage doors, this way I can reach the charge port on the car and the outside, as well.
Thankyou so much, I’m forgetting who but you made a video going over the best ev chargers and recommended the grizzl-e, I ended up using an j1772 extension cable, but woah this is a game changer I’ve been using the oem 120v for 3 and a half years now and just got used to fast charging whenever I needed to go far, which ended up being once every few weeks to once a week, and the charging speed is insane, like 6 hours and my car is already fully charged absolutely unreal
Man, that’s one tough Grizzl-E ! Definitely one of my favorite chargers and it covers all the bear necessities - LOL 🐻 Thanks for another great detailed review ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
I really like your many EVSE reviews. They are really helpful and I purchased the Grizzl-e for my ID.4 because all the information in your EVSE reviews. Like most people I needed a new 240V 50amp circuit installed in my garage. This is where I ran into trouble. Hope this makes sense and helps any new EV car buyers. Love your stuff.
I have reserved a ID.4 and am looking at this charger also. I plan to get an electrician to install a NEMA receptacle and utilize a 60amp circuit. What problems are you having getting 50amps?
@@slyguyaction Charger is great. My troubles arose with my local electrical codes. The Code states that all new electrical circuits in garages with receptacles(plugs) require GFI breakers. The installation manual states the charger is internally GFI'ed and should not be connected to a GFI circuit. Meaning two GFI's in the same circuit will not work. The electrician installed a 50amp GFI and it always tripped. So my installation is hardwired to the charger on a 50amp non-GFI'ed and the charger has the internal GFI. Problem solved.
I just bought this evse to use with my Chevy Bolt and hyundai Ioniq , I still dont have my 240 outlet installed but that will come soon, then i can finally try this out. I live in Buffalo where we get a real lot of snow so its cold weather ability and toughness was what made me choose it. I live near Canada and they know about snow !
Another fabulous review by Tom. My favorite part is the freeze test. I'm hoping Tom reviews a charger designed for EV users who live in condominiums or apartments where the user is billed for energy consumed. HOA's and apartment management companies refuse to pay for EV power. If they did, ICE vehicle owners would ask for free gasoline. Therefore, most people who live in multi-dwelling unit (MDU) buildings don't have home charging capability. It's a major impediment to EV adoption. Due to very high cost, a $7200 commercial Chargepoint unit is not a viable solution for HOAs and apartments. I endorse Tom's $500 target price for EVSE. Remember too, installation is extra and cost increases with distance from electrical panel.
picked up one of these for my Polestar 2. This was after researching smart EV chargers. i didn't see a ton of value in a smart vs non-smart L2, so I went with this and I have yet to be disappointed. works as advertised and i can use the PS app to check status and schedule accordingly thus rendering any smart feature i'd pay more for useless.
I just ordered the new GrizzlE smart wall charger based on this review and some other comments on Amazon. I’ll post my opinion here later on how I like it. Hopefully Tom will review that one too as a mini review since the unit is identical except adding wifi.
Tom, I just recently discovered State of Charge and enjoyed this and I appreciate all of your reviews! (We own a 2017 Fiat 500e and we also just leased a VW ID.4 this summer- love them both! We're now all-EV here.) We charge mostly at home with a Vevor 32A max charger that I bought when we bought the Fiat, and it has worked well, but I'm thinking of upgrading to a more rugged 40A for the VW. Do you have any plans to review the Lenz 40A Level 2 charger, which is similar to this one? Thanks.
Thanks for a great review! I think that you convinced me that this is the EVSE for me, though I'll wait until February and get the smart version. Do you agree?
Great review thanks! My first to watch, and I will watch more. FYI. it is a Canadian product made for the cold, like a Grizzly bear! Pronounced Grizzly! Note Grizzle-E like a BBQ. Sorry, it was just driving me crazy every time you said it, LOL. But still, the review was great! Do you happen to have a review or a web link with a table that summarizes all of your charger reviews so I can compare your overall ratings in one place? Thanks.
I wonder about whether the holster (of any of these) can get fouled with snow/ice, making it more difficult to plug back in. The Clipper Creek system on the surface looks like it is more resistant, but even then I can imagine a case where even that gets fouled. I suppose the only way to really resolve this is to add a flap or door over the thing, but that makes it harder for people to holster the plug if they only have one hand free.
Another good video. I could not find mention on their website if hardwiring the unit is ok. From the image of the internals you showed it didn't seem like it would be difficult.
I just installed the Smart model, the only problem is the "Smart part " . I tried and tried programming it when about 5 feet from the modem and it is very hard to make it work. Finally I plug it and charge the car.
Thanks for all your reviews. I'm strongly considering this Grizzl-E as my EVSE of choice. When I was looking on-line last night I couldn't find the "cold weather option" for the charging cable. Is that still available, or did they switch one cable (standard or cold weather) exclusively? I notice that on the Grizzl-E Duo that cable failed the cold test miserably, so I'm hoping that won't be the case for this one as well.
Yes, that's not a Grizzl-E, but it's made by the same company, United Chargers. It's called "Alpha" and will be available in a few months. United Chargers is taking pre-orders now, though. I'll be getting one to review soon.
I have a unique situation and im wondering can a ev charger be installed INSIDE a home? Cost is a big issue tring to do the conventional way i. e. garage or outside install.
So I have new Ioniq 5 77.4 kwh coming in the next week. I am assuming the 40 14-50 would be perfectly suitable for my use, I am just debating whether I should get the smart or standard one,looks like SMART is sold out in Canada and Classic available so I ordered Classic
I have a 50 amp circuit and it's set to 40 amps in the box. I'm getting 7.6 kW hours of charge on the car. Is that correct? Should I not be getting at least 9 kW hour?
Tom. I wound up purchasing this for my EV situation. I have a NIRO PHEV that we easily charge overnight on a 110v outlet. I have a RAV4 inbound and then will get a full EV some time before the end of the year. So, needed to get a charger. One question I have. The Grizzle has adjustable output. I believe I’m reading it correctly that you only need to adjust that to accommodate your electric panel circuit (i.e., whether you have a 50A, 40A, 30A breaker for that 220V line), but an adjustment is not necessary to accommodate the vehicle since the on board charger is what will dictate that? Is that correct? I have a 50A breaker and a 14-50 outlet, so I think I can just leave it at its max and not have to adjust it to use between my RAV4 Prime and, let’s say, ID4, if that’s what I get for my full EV (OR RT1!).
Yes, you are correct. The car will call for the amount of energy it can accept. Limiting the output on the charger is only necessary if your electric supply is limited and you don't want to overload the circuit.
Thanks Tom! The Grizzl-e is working well. I actually was getting errors sporadically while charging my Niro PHEV. Before returning the unit via Amazon, I contacted the company. They quickly sent me a new one with a pre-paid return label for the first one. No issues with the new one and the service from Grizzle (they are in Canada) was great.
I just installed one of these at home and noticed the white neutral wire is cut. Tom, you don't have a problem with a 40 amp charger not using that wire?
I have noticed you have recommendations for individual attributes in chargers. How about a video where you list the various attributes and which charger has your recommendation for that aspect. I don’t need a cold weather cable, but need one for a wet area.
Thanks for the comment. I do plan on doing videos that compare various attributes. I want to focus on the individual units for the next month or two first, then do some vids that are comparisons.
Hi. I bought the classic one. I just set the dip to 24A and the manual says I need to reassemble it. How do I reassemble the charger. Do I just unplug the charger? Can anyone tell me how to reassemble the charger?
One question about adjustable power functionality. Is it possible to use this charger on a 50-amp circuit if you have adjusted the power setting to 32-amps (or any setting besides 40-amp)? Example, if I have a PHEV only right now but expect to have a full EV in a couple years and would like to buy the 40-amp unit for the future, is it possible to wire it for future use (re: 50-amp breaker) but set the charger to operate at 32-amp or even 24-amp? If my PHEV can only accept the lower kW input anyway, that would be more than sufficient. Then could adjust the dip swicth to 40-amp when needed to charge a full EV with higher acceptance rate. But I'm unclear if reducing the power capability means that I'd have to use a lesser amperage breaker and swap those any time a power adjustment was made.
If you have a 50A circuit breaker in the panel (and 50A rated wiring), you should be able to run the Grizzl-e at the full 40 A. The "continuous" load on any circuit should be no more than 80% of the rating of the circuit (80% of 50A = 40A). Plugging a 40A device (like a Grizzl-e) into a 50A circuit is like plugging a 12A hair dryer into a 15A receptacle. You can also change the Grizzl-e settings to output 32, 24, or 16 amps.
I just bought and installed a Grizzl-e classic (refurbished), hardwired as you suggest and it would not work. Now I have to fight for a refund. Spent the extra for a Tesla universal wall connector.
Is that your garage Tom? That’s funny as heck all those cords in there but I do have one question. If the charger is inside of my car why can I not just have a cord going from my 14-50 outlet straight to my car without a box of some sort of CCSE Or something like that? I have a Tesla model three And a Kia e Niro
Hi John. Yes, that's my garage there. So the reason you just can't have a simple extension cord from an outlet with a connector on the other end to charge the vehicle is for safety purposes. There's a communication process that needs to take place before the car will accept energy. That "handshake" makes sure the voltage & amperage is correct, the connector is fully attached to the vehicle so there no electricity arching, and there are no line faults. It also prevents the car from being able to be driven while the cable is still plugged in. They are really necessary safety measures.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney OK, that does make sense. A lot of complex electronics there and that just kind of helps match everything up helps with the handshake so to speak, Thank you Tom I appreciate you taking the time. By the way I love you on that podcast with Kyle and the super announcer Dominic. Somebody had to call out Kyle when he talked about the greatest electric vehicle ever made the K 27.😃😃 thank you for the entertainment Tom I know you hear that a lot but I truly get a couple of hours every day from you guys. As I have become a stay at home father to a couple of young ones. Thank you for doing what you do it is truly important and appreciated
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney hey Tom I hope I’m not taking too much of your time and I’m not gonna verbally blow you again I just wanted to let you know. I am now concerned because I have a 2019 Kia Niro e I just got it in May 2020 it has been perfect for me so far over 8K miles but now everything I hear about it is it’s motor problem! WTF It went from 2019 car of the year, to having this blemish. I wonder if it affects more than just the five cars I’ve heard about in articles?I think the car is great and I dig it but now I’m thinking about the stupid motor noise but if that’s the only problem I should not worry right I have 100,000 mile warranty on that. ( rear wheel drive would have been nice)
What we need is a new NEMA 14-50 standard that would provide the information for the car and have Wifi. Additional electronics could be placed either in the outlet itself or in the electrical panel. Then simple extension cords will work just as well. We have too many accessories, it's time to simplify everything.
Hey Tom, Bought the Grizzl-e after watching your review. Our unit stopped working after about 6 months, have you ever dealt with their support? My experience has been horrible. Opened a ticket on Sunday, they responded Tues that it's some kind of diode issue and would setup a RMA. That will be a week tomorrow, and total silence from the company. Emails and vmails go unanswered. You have any suggestions?
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney No this is all they ever responded with "This is likely an issue with the unit itself. We will issue a replacement unit and return shipping label so you can return the old unit." I have not heard from them since. I understand stuff breaks and I understand they may be short staff to get the unit out but I dont understand not responding at all. Its not like it was yesterday, that was 7 days ago they sent that message. Problem is there is no DC fast chargers in my area so it not like I have that option either.
You do not show the grizzl-e plugging in to an outdoor rated plug? These plugs have a hinged cover which means the cord has to go down from outlet. That means unit needs to be upside down to plug in?
Does their "Tesla Mount" work with the J1772 adapter? The pics on their website appear to show it with a normal Tesla charger and not using the Tesla J1772 adapter attached to their own charge handle.
I only have a 30 amp circuit. When I order the unit with the dip switches pre-set, which power cable should I get? The 14-50 and 6-50 are for 50 amp circuits. Can I use them on a 30 amp circuit if the dip switches are set?
@@entrancemperium5506 why are you telling me? Did you think JMCskutter was sending me a Grizzl-E box? No. He said IF he orders a Grizzl-E then it would be PRESET for his 30 amp circuit.
This is all you need. "Smart" chargers are useless. My EV lets me schedule charge times, charge limits, schedules and stores charge logs indefinitely and my Grizzl-E charger does not make a fuss and stops when its supposed to. Save money, reduce complexity and go with a quality charger made in North America for under $500.
What’s great about your videos is the day to day use of the EVSE is emphasized. People have no idea how important this is, something so simple as a connector holstering makes daily use so much easier. The Grizzl⚡️E CEO doesn’t drive a EV?!?! Wow that doesn’t say much about him.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks Tom for reading our comments! I do think that there would be a market for a mountable steel box within which this equipment can be mounted *including the cable* when not in use.
-9 F (-22 C) is just typical freezer temperatures and it gets far colder in Canada, occasional freezes in the -30 C through -40 C do happen. Besides, how does it fare in the Summer heat? During the heat dome, insulation melted off utility lines in BC Canada.
I'm torn between this and the EVDuty, another Canadian charger. I live in Canada so will buy one of these two. And it should be pronounced Grizzly, not Grizzle E.
They have the worest customer service. Mine had a defect and it took them a solid month to get me a replacement and they downgraded be from the version 2 to the version 1
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Thanks Tom! Just pick up my ID.4 1st Edition on Saturday and I'm loving it. This is my first EV and I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed with all of the information, especially the stuff that I DON'T know to ask about. Your videos and supplementary information have been invaluable. This vehicle is so different in almost every respect, that I think VW should offer classes in how to do just about everything. Your ID.4 charging video was fantastic and told me exactly what I needed to know. My Grizzl-E should be here in a few days and my electrician will be by soon to install the NEMA 15-50 receptacle. Still a lot to learn. Thanks for all of the information!
You're welcome, Steve. Thanks for watching!
It's standard to only use 80% of the capacity of a given circuit. That means for a 40 amp usage, 60 amp circuit and wiring would be best. A 50 amp circuit and cabling should work but would heat up a bit. If you're having the circuit installed, just go with the 60 amp. No reason to select a lower amperage unless it's an existing outlet such as a dryer socket.
@@johnwang9914 the 80 percent rule already gives sufficient safety margin, so it should be fine operating at 40 amps. The socket itself is only rated for 50 amps anyways.
It's not a bad idea to get wiring thick enough to handle 60 amps though. Many chargers let you hardwire them to get 48 amps (48 is 80 percent of 60).
@@Empiro3 There's always consideration for future requirements that should be taken into account and some older homes would require a sub-panel installed anyways so you might as well have the electrician wire for as much current as you can unless you are just extending your dryer outlet. If adding a sub-panel, maybe consider a transfer switch so you could easily attach a generator, yes some circuits would have to be moved to the sub-panel and the EVSE placed on the main panel once room and capacity has been freed but the transfer switch might add some emergency use flexibility...
In truth, many city commuters could just get away with level 1 charging and just go with the existing 110/120 v outlet, and just top up either over the weekend or at a level 2 destination charger if your employer offers one or if you're using pay parking downtown, choosing one with level 2 destination chargers occasionally. If you are caught short before a long trip, there's always pay DC fast charging to top it off. I really wouldn't worry about it so long as you have a garage at home with 110/120 v lines unless you have a really long commute.
There's at least one new home builder where I live that includes a level 2 EVSE in the garage as well as grid tied solar panels estimated to provide a portion, I think it's a third or a quarter of average household electricity use which means you can get really far with conservation but of course that's with a new home. If they want EV's to be the root of meeting international treaty requirements, they need to help people with both purchasing the cars and wiring, problem is the car dealers will likely soak up most of the subsidies, electricians are less likely to raise their prices to soak up a government subsidy but adding a 220/240 vac socket to an existing home isn't always easy.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Does the connector lock to the car if you have a padlock? I cant find this info anywhere.
I bought a Grizzl-e Classic as a result of Tom’s review. It is a great and informational review and I love the charger. There is one variable that Tom could not score the charger on and this is customer service. First off, let me say that I live in Hawaii and shipping to here is crazy expensive. Unfortunately, After a couple months of use, my charger started to show some intermittent faults. I am unsure what caused it but I contacted United Chargers and they offered a variety of suggestions and when the problem persisted, they immediately sent me a replacement at no charge to me. They took care of me immediately with no questions asked and this means more than ANY of those other scoring criteria that Tom mentions. Let’s add a perfect score for customer service for this Grizzle-e charger which should make United Charger products your number one choice. I am not so sure any other manufacturer could beat this level of service to a customer in Hawaii. A big thank you to United Chargers for their commitment to customer satisfaction. When considering a charger, please remember to keep customer service as one of your main criteria and United Chargers should be at the very top of your list.
That's good to hear
Does it have a locking connector plug when its plugged into vehicle that allows you to use pad lock?
@@eimi1584 No but there is an accessory you could buy that would stop others from disconnecting at a public charger or for use with your Grizzl-e. I have one and it works well.
@@07babbe I just seen a video that does show it has a whole for a padlock so I'm confused now .
@@ericimi it does on the unit. I thought you were referring to when plugged into car.
I have had this charger for 2 years now. I love it. Simple high quality design.
I just bought one of these, it arrived 2 days ago. Not yet installed but I'm in the Canadian prairies so we get cold. I mainly bought this because it's very durable and can handle the cold. It helps that it's a Canadian company so they do understand the regional issues, the same can't be said for Tesla LOL
Just got one of these, with a 24 foot premium cable and it arrived in only 24 hours on Amazon prime. I’ll be installing it outside in the mountains of rural Maryland. Not the coldest state in the country but it has some weird weather on occasion and certainly below the 30s in the winter. Wanted to thank Tom for his review of this unit but also all the other reviews which I also checked out in order to determine this was the right unit. Wish everybody the best of luck in your EVSE journey
Great review as usual, Tom! One reason to spend the few bucks for the longer cable is, sometimes when I come home on a nice day and plan on going out again, I don’t pull in my garage. As an afterthought, I think I might as well plug in for a while, but then the cable on my Tesla supplied charger often isn’t long enough and I have to get back in and jockey the car. I know that’s trivial, but for only a few extra bucks, I’d go for the convenience and eliminate the small nuisance.
Just bought a Grizzl-e based on your review. Thanks for the detail and recommendation!
I love my Grizzl-e, it has almost outlived the 2 JuiceBox Pro 40 that broke on me before I finally dumped that brand.
Hi Tom : the smart category points should be bumped down and leveraged on the others : as cars are now smart enough to not need this feature. Safety for all should get (for example) a 10 pts hike (or less if the product fails). Excellent review .. I was hesitating with 2 more units . now my mind is made up. Thanks !
Thank you for doing these reviews. They've even dropped the price on their website and the 24ft cable is now standard, so it'd get an even higher score under your rating system now.
I wound up getting this one because I just wanted something simple without too many bells and whistles. Modern EVs all tend to be "smart" so it's hardly necessary for the charger to be.
I only wish that there were indoor-only, low-cost chargers out there for folks who will only install chargers in their garage. I haven't been able to find anything like that.
Tom, great review! I was looking forward to it. This is a 10KW EVSE that’ll provide good capacity for the 11KW charger on the ID.4. Happy to know that it’ll resume charging after power out (needed in the summer rainy season in Naples FL). Will install inside between the two garage doors, this way I can reach the charge port on the car and the outside, as well.
Thankyou so much, I’m forgetting who but you made a video going over the best ev chargers and recommended the grizzl-e, I ended up using an j1772 extension cable, but woah this is a game changer I’ve been using the oem 120v for 3 and a half years now and just got used to fast charging whenever I needed to go far, which ended up being once every few weeks to once a week, and the charging speed is insane, like 6 hours and my car is already fully charged absolutely unreal
Man, that’s one tough Grizzl-E ! Definitely one of my favorite chargers and it covers all the bear necessities - LOL 🐻 Thanks for another great detailed review ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
I really like your many EVSE reviews. They are really helpful and I purchased the Grizzl-e for my ID.4 because all the information in your EVSE reviews. Like most people I needed a new 240V 50amp circuit installed in my garage. This is where I ran into trouble. Hope this makes sense and helps any new EV car buyers. Love your stuff.
I have reserved a ID.4 and am looking at this charger also. I plan to get an electrician to install a NEMA receptacle and utilize a 60amp circuit. What problems are you having getting 50amps?
@@slyguyaction Charger is great. My troubles arose with my local electrical codes.
The Code states that all new electrical circuits in garages with receptacles(plugs) require GFI breakers.
The installation manual states the charger is internally GFI'ed and should not be connected to a GFI circuit.
Meaning two GFI's in the same circuit will not work. The electrician installed a 50amp GFI and it always tripped. So my installation is hardwired to the charger on a 50amp non-GFI'ed and the charger has the internal GFI. Problem solved.
@@chrispeterson7527 ,
Ok. Makes sense. Thanks for the reply
I just bought this evse to use with my Chevy Bolt and hyundai Ioniq , I still dont have my 240 outlet installed but that will come soon, then i can finally try this out. I live in Buffalo where we get a real lot of snow so its cold weather ability and toughness was what made me choose it. I live near Canada and they know about snow !
I am installing one in my father's garage. It works, is tough and has a great price.
Thanks for a great review!
Another fabulous review by Tom. My favorite part is the freeze test.
I'm hoping Tom reviews a charger designed for EV users who live in condominiums or apartments where the user is billed for energy consumed. HOA's and apartment management companies refuse to pay for EV power. If they did, ICE vehicle owners would ask for free gasoline. Therefore, most people who live in multi-dwelling unit (MDU) buildings don't have home charging capability. It's a major impediment to EV adoption.
Due to very high cost, a $7200 commercial Chargepoint unit is not a viable solution for HOAs and apartments. I endorse Tom's $500 target price for EVSE. Remember too, installation is extra and cost increases with distance from electrical panel.
Yes, I definitely will.
Thank you, Tom!
Thanks, I just ordered one for my i3.
picked up one of these for my Polestar 2. This was after researching smart EV chargers. i didn't see a ton of value in a smart vs non-smart L2, so I went with this and I have yet to be disappointed. works as advertised and i can use the PS app to check status and schedule accordingly thus rendering any smart feature i'd pay more for useless.
What is the PS app?
I just ordered the new GrizzlE smart wall charger based on this review and some other comments on Amazon. I’ll post my opinion here later on how I like it. Hopefully Tom will review that one too as a mini review since the unit is identical except adding wifi.
I already have! Check my videos
Excellent review!
Ordered one of these today based on your review. United Chargers says this unit will be upgradeable to be smart.
Yes, that's what they say.
Any update on being able to update to make it smart?
Tom, I just recently discovered State of Charge and enjoyed this and I appreciate all of your reviews! (We own a 2017 Fiat 500e and we also just leased a VW ID.4 this summer- love them both! We're now all-EV here.) We charge mostly at home with a Vevor 32A max charger that I bought when we bought the Fiat, and it has worked well, but I'm thinking of upgrading to a more rugged 40A for the VW. Do you have any plans to review the Lenz 40A Level 2 charger, which is similar to this one? Thanks.
Great video Tom. Thanks!
FYI - I ordered a Grizzl-E shortly after watching your video.
Hands down the best level2 charger on the market.
Thanks for a great review! I think that you convinced me that this is the EVSE for me, though I'll wait until February and get the smart version. Do you agree?
Yeah, I would as long as you can wait a bit. I'll be getting one of those before they are released to do a full review.
Great review thanks! My first to watch, and I will watch more. FYI. it is a Canadian product made for the cold, like a Grizzly bear! Pronounced Grizzly! Note Grizzle-E like a BBQ. Sorry, it was just driving me crazy every time you said it, LOL. But still, the review was great!
Do you happen to have a review or a web link with a table that summarizes all of your charger reviews so I can compare your overall ratings in one place? Thanks.
I wonder about whether the holster (of any of these) can get fouled with snow/ice, making it more difficult to plug back in. The Clipper Creek system on the surface looks like it is more resistant, but even then I can imagine a case where even that gets fouled. I suppose the only way to really resolve this is to add a flap or door over the thing, but that makes it harder for people to holster the plug if they only have one hand free.
Hey Tom, are there any benefits to choosing NEMA 6-50 plug or the NEMA 14-50 version for an outdoor installation?
Another good video. I could not find mention on their website if hardwiring the unit is ok. From the image of the internals you showed it didn't seem like it would be difficult.
You can hardwire it, yes.
Thanks Tom for all you're doing. What is your experience with the Grizzl-E Mini?
I wish the cars had the ez plug functionality; it’s fairly hard to twist some dc fast charger plugs just right sometimes
I just installed the Smart model, the only problem is the "Smart part " . I tried and tried programming it when about 5 feet from the modem and it is very hard to make it work. Finally I plug it and charge the car.
Thanks for all your reviews. I'm strongly considering this Grizzl-E as my EVSE of choice. When I was looking on-line last night I couldn't find the "cold weather option" for the charging cable. Is that still available, or did they switch one cable (standard or cold weather) exclusively? I notice that on the Grizzl-E Duo that cable failed the cold test miserably, so I'm hoping that won't be the case for this one as well.
Again, thank you. Your Grizzl-E Smart review answered this question. Now I need to determine which route to go - smart or not.
Tom i just seen a new Grizzl model with a touch screen
Yes, that's not a Grizzl-E, but it's made by the same company, United Chargers. It's called "Alpha" and will be available in a few months. United Chargers is taking pre-orders now, though. I'll be getting one to review soon.
Best charger for the scorching Arizona heat?
Great review! Is there a current discount code for the Grizzl-E? The one shown on Inside EV's doesn't work :(
Thank you! Sorry, I don't believe there is a current discount code.
the Kona EV comes with a charge controller. I plan to use this for smart charger functions - does that make sense?
I have a unique situation and im wondering can a ev charger be installed INSIDE a home? Cost is a big issue tring to do the conventional way i. e. garage or outside install.
Do you have a chart of the chargers you have rated? I liked this one very much.
I'm launching a website in a couple of months that will have all of the videos plus written reviews and comparison charts
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks, I watch you ever week on inside ev
So I have new Ioniq 5 77.4 kwh coming in the next week. I am assuming the 40 14-50 would be perfectly suitable for my use, I am just debating whether I should get the smart or standard one,looks like SMART is sold out in Canada and Classic available so I ordered Classic
I have a 50 amp circuit and it's set to 40 amps in the box. I'm getting 7.6 kW hours of charge on the car. Is that correct? Should I not be getting at least 9 kW hour?
Tom. I wound up purchasing this for my EV situation. I have a NIRO PHEV that we easily charge overnight on a 110v outlet. I have a RAV4 inbound and then will get a full EV some time before the end of the year. So, needed to get a charger. One question I have. The Grizzle has adjustable output. I believe I’m reading it correctly that you only need to adjust that to accommodate your electric panel circuit (i.e., whether you have a 50A, 40A, 30A breaker for that 220V line), but an adjustment is not necessary to accommodate the vehicle since the on board charger is what will dictate that? Is that correct? I have a 50A breaker and a 14-50 outlet, so I think I can just leave it at its max and not have to adjust it to use between my RAV4 Prime and, let’s say, ID4, if that’s what I get for my full EV (OR RT1!).
Yes, you are correct. The car will call for the amount of energy it can accept. Limiting the output on the charger is only necessary if your electric supply is limited and you don't want to overload the circuit.
Thanks Tom! The Grizzl-e is working well. I actually was getting errors sporadically while charging my Niro PHEV. Before returning the unit via Amazon, I contacted the company. They quickly sent me a new one with a pre-paid return label for the first one. No issues with the new one and the service from Grizzle (they are in Canada) was great.
I just installed one of these at home and noticed the white neutral wire is cut. Tom, you don't have a problem with a 40 amp charger not using that wire?
They now make a smart charger
I have noticed you have recommendations for individual attributes in chargers. How about a video where you list the various attributes and which charger has your recommendation for that aspect. I don’t need a cold weather cable, but need one for a wet area.
Thanks for the comment. I do plan on doing videos that compare various attributes. I want to focus on the individual units for the next month or two first, then do some vids that are comparisons.
Hi. I change the dip to 24A (5.6KW) but my car is still been charged at 40amp (7.6KW). I want to know how do I lower the KW to 5.6KW, 24A)
Hi. I bought the classic one. I just set the dip to 24A and the manual says I need to reassemble it. How do I reassemble the charger. Do I just unplug the charger? Can anyone tell me how to reassemble the charger?
One question about adjustable power functionality. Is it possible to use this charger on a 50-amp circuit if you have adjusted the power setting to 32-amps (or any setting besides 40-amp)? Example, if I have a PHEV only right now but expect to have a full EV in a couple years and would like to buy the 40-amp unit for the future, is it possible to wire it for future use (re: 50-amp breaker) but set the charger to operate at 32-amp or even 24-amp? If my PHEV can only accept the lower kW input anyway, that would be more than sufficient. Then could adjust the dip swicth to 40-amp when needed to charge a full EV with higher acceptance rate. But I'm unclear if reducing the power capability means that I'd have to use a lesser amperage breaker and swap those any time a power adjustment was made.
If you have a 50A circuit breaker in the panel (and 50A rated wiring), you should be able to run the Grizzl-e at the full 40 A. The "continuous" load on any circuit should be no more than 80% of the rating of the circuit (80% of 50A = 40A). Plugging a 40A device (like a Grizzl-e) into a 50A circuit is like plugging a 12A hair dryer into a 15A receptacle. You can also change the Grizzl-e settings to output 32, 24, or 16 amps.
This one doesn’t say energy star does that mean it uses more electricity? Vs that say energy star like the emporia
I live in Vancouver bc Canada we don’t have crazy cold weather so wich one should I get ?
I just bought and installed a Grizzl-e classic (refurbished), hardwired as you suggest and it would not work. Now I have to fight for a refund. Spent the extra for a Tesla universal wall connector.
My RAV4 Prime has a 6.6kw charger. What do I set the dip switch to? Thank you
Now that there is a Smart version of the Grizzl-E EVSE, are you going to update the video/scoring? Thanks!
I will be getting one and doing a full review on that soon
Will you review the GrizzlE Duo? I might have 3 EVs soon and would love to see how it compares to getting Tesla chargers on the same circuit.
Yes. Over this summer.
Will Anker SOLIX Solar Generator 767 (PowerHouse) 2048Wh / 2400W / 1000W Solar power the Grizzl e level two charger
Can you review the Grizzl-E Mini? Would like to see how you can use it as a level 1 and a level 2 charger.
I will but they aren't available yet.
Is that your garage Tom? That’s funny as heck all those cords in there but I do have one question. If the charger is inside of my car why can I not just have a cord going from my 14-50 outlet straight to my car without a box of some sort of CCSE Or something like that? I have a Tesla model three And a Kia e Niro
Hi John. Yes, that's my garage there. So the reason you just can't have a simple extension cord from an outlet with a connector on the other end to charge the vehicle is for safety purposes. There's a communication process that needs to take place before the car will accept energy. That "handshake" makes sure the voltage & amperage is correct, the connector is fully attached to the vehicle so there no electricity arching, and there are no line faults. It also prevents the car from being able to be driven while the cable is still plugged in. They are really necessary safety measures.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney OK, that does make sense. A lot of complex electronics there and that just kind of helps match everything up helps with the handshake so to speak, Thank you Tom I appreciate you taking the time. By the way I love you on that podcast with Kyle and the super announcer Dominic. Somebody had to call out Kyle when he talked about the greatest electric vehicle ever made the K 27.😃😃 thank you for the entertainment Tom I know you hear that a lot but I truly get a couple of hours every day from you guys. As I have become a stay at home father to a couple of young ones. Thank you for doing what you do it is truly important and appreciated
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney hey Tom I hope I’m not taking too much of your time and I’m not gonna verbally blow you again I just wanted to let you know. I am now concerned because I have a 2019 Kia Niro e I just got it in May 2020 it has been perfect for me so far over 8K miles but now everything I hear about it is it’s motor problem! WTF It went from 2019 car of the year, to having this blemish. I wonder if it affects more than just the five cars I’ve heard about in articles?I think the car is great and I dig it but now I’m thinking about the stupid motor noise but if that’s the only problem I should not worry right I have 100,000 mile warranty on that. ( rear wheel drive would have been nice)
What we need is a new NEMA 14-50 standard that would provide the information for the car and have Wifi. Additional electronics could be placed either in the outlet itself or in the electrical panel. Then simple extension cords will work just as well. We have too many accessories, it's time to simplify everything.
Hey Tom, Bought the Grizzl-e after watching your review. Our unit stopped working after about 6 months, have you ever dealt with their support? My experience has been horrible. Opened a ticket on Sunday, they responded Tues that it's some kind of diode issue and would setup a RMA. That will be a week tomorrow, and total silence from the company. Emails and vmails go unanswered. You have any suggestions?
I haven't heard any other complaints from my followers. Do you have an RMA number yet? I can contact the company and ask why it's taking so long.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney No this is all they ever responded with "This is likely an issue with the unit itself. We will issue a replacement unit and return shipping label so you can return the old unit." I have not heard from them since. I understand stuff breaks and I understand they may be short staff to get the unit out but I dont understand not responding at all. Its not like it was yesterday, that was 7 days ago they sent that message. Problem is there is no DC fast chargers in my area so it not like I have that option either.
You do not show the grizzl-e plugging in to an outdoor rated plug? These plugs have a hinged cover which means the cord has to go down from outlet. That means unit needs to be upside down to plug in?
Only if you want to mount it upside down. That's kind of a strange decision though.
Is this a ground up or down charger?
It's nice to get it at a good value but they up charge you to get features that other companies start with it's a limited value.
Does their "Tesla Mount" work with the J1772 adapter? The pics on their website appear to show it with a normal Tesla charger and not using the Tesla J1772 adapter attached to their own charge handle.
Yes it does.
I only have a 30 amp circuit. When I order the unit with the dip switches pre-set, which power cable should I get? The 14-50 and 6-50 are for 50 amp circuits. Can I use them on a 30 amp circuit if the dip switches are set?
Yes.
@@entrancemperium5506 why are you telling me? Did you think JMCskutter was sending me a Grizzl-E box? No. He said IF he orders a Grizzl-E then it would be PRESET for his 30 amp circuit.
Can this be hardwired from the back
This is all you need. "Smart" chargers are useless. My EV lets me schedule charge times, charge limits, schedules and stores charge logs indefinitely and my Grizzl-E charger does not make a fuss and stops when its supposed to. Save money, reduce complexity and go with a quality charger made in North America for under $500.
HOw about the heat?
What’s great about your videos is the day to day use of the EVSE is emphasized. People have no idea how important this is, something so simple as a connector holstering makes daily use so much easier. The Grizzl⚡️E CEO doesn’t drive a EV?!?! Wow that doesn’t say much about him.
He does, He has a Tesla and an Outlander plug in hybrid. He states that on some of his videos.
I do drive Electric since 2013
How do I keep it from being stolen?
See @3:28
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Thanks Tom for reading our comments! I do think that there would be a market for a mountable steel box within which this equipment can be mounted *including the cable* when not in use.
Tom's personal score is at 21:03
-9 F (-22 C) is just typical freezer temperatures and it gets far colder in Canada, occasional freezes in the -30 C through -40 C do happen. Besides, how does it fare in the Summer heat? During the heat dome, insulation melted off utility lines in BC Canada.
Damn I really wanted to buy this, especially in the white...but it’s not smart
They are coming out with a smart version VERY soon. I'll have the review up in a few weeks.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney nice I’m just turning my 8 amp trickle charger into 12 AMP for now.
I'm torn between this and the EVDuty, another Canadian charger. I live in Canada so will buy one of these two.
And it should be pronounced Grizzly, not Grizzle E.
They have the worest customer service. Mine had a defect and it took them a solid month to get me a replacement and they downgraded be from the version 2 to the version 1
The name is pronounced “grizzly”