@@jason200912 it’s because it was first intended for the MP9 which has the magwell on the grip, so it had to be straight. I think they didn’t bother to design a new mag and just kept the old because it works well
For defense I think the 9mm pcc is PERFECTO!! My 12 ga. WAS my go to until years ago I got ahold of a Beretta cx4 and that was that! It pairs with my 92 and have since bought a PSA ARV-9 . ( I love it but...I'll take the cx4 in a pinch) Thanks for the content and please keep on truckin' ! God Bless.⚔🤠🛡
Did you get the standard barrel length SPC9 with the 3 M-Lock slots on each side? If so had you had the chance to test its accuracy out to 200 meters which is the maximum effective range of 9mm Pistol Caliber Carbines?
@@MrAnimeMilitary standard size barrel with 3 m-lok slots. So far only shot it up to 50m (IPSC match) and am extremely happy with the results. Hope to be able to test it up to 200m later this year, however will hardly ever use it over 50-70m
@@jaspercoppens6708 The rifling of the barrel of the SPC9, does it have traditional rifling or polygonal rifling? And where you able to chronograph its muzzle velocity?
Why not just use the Sig MPX without the protruding buffer tube? ...or an AR-9 if they were looking for AR operation. Why the SPC? I'd be interested in a comparison video.
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@@Militaryarmschannel does anybody know why the spc was chosen over the mpx? I heard it was due to the mpx’s weight, but I have the 4.5 sig copperhead with the mlok rail and the apc9k pro and they feel like they are very similar in weight, both being right around 5lbs
I'm a little late to the game here but found this video because I'm buying one soon. The big reason over here in Europe to buy one instead of the APC 9 is the overall length (with stock). Since the latest change in the EU gun regs, long weapons must - in their shortest form - be a minimum of 60cm in length. The APC9 with its stock folded is therefore far too short and means a headache with the paperwork. The SPC9 though is 62.5cm, meaning that it's much easier for sport to get permission.
Holy. Look at all that recoil. It's kicking the heck out of that guy. Why does every straight blowback have somebody saying it has low recoil when there's video of it curbstomping their shoulder?
@@Militaryarmschannel it is Tim, correct sir? If you time, I'm looking to purchase another suppressor in the near future, actually 2 cans, a 55.6 and 30. , Recommendations greatly appreciated
Nice. But if i want 9mm PCC/SMG with AR-15 control/look just go to SIG MPX - imho better platform. You have fully calapse stock, easy change barrel, and more advance operation system (piston not blowback)
Looks like yall were shooting some cast reloads with that puff of smoke coming out. I shoot almost exclusively cast 125gr lrn 9x19 luger w/ 3.8gr Bullseye in this ammo crunch and thats the exact puff I get with pan lubed bullets. I shoot a ton of lead I have to scrub the barrel a little more than copper but oh well, my barrels last forever
Thumbs up for Grogu! Great vid, MAC. If I didn't already have an AR9 Pistol, I'd be really interested in getting one soon. Lets see how funds look in the future. Cheers!
@@Militaryarmschannel I've been tempted, I've also considered the extar ep9 but there's always something off about them that I can't quite put my finger on.
Wish I could afford a high end pcc.... Century said affordable but last I saw it wasnt really. I like the ptr 9mm but I'd love a B&T.... I've been working overtime all summer in hopes of treating myself to something a bit more high end. If I can get something under 2k I'll be happy
If you look at gun.deals you can find the Century AP5p and AP5 for less than $1800 now. They have dropped over $500 in just a few weeks. I’ve got the same guns imported by Zenith and you will be happy with them. I’m just glad the prices have dropped back to close to what they should be.
APC-9 Looks like stirbog from Grand power , am i wrong or anyone else agree with me? Thank you Tim for the video i really enjoyed it, greetings from sunny 😎 and hot sLOVEnia 😜🇸🇮👍 stay awesome and stay healthy P.S you know we will win gold in basketball this Olympics 😜🤪😋😎👍🇸🇮🇸🇮🇸🇮🇸🇮
Guess It's all in what one is accustomed to, but, stock looks uncomfortably short for shoulder firing. Well, M16A1, pump shotgun & 1911.45 what I had for official trng. 10/.22, dbl-brl 12 GA & revolvers for pers. shooters - guess I'm a Fudd?
Hey MAC, for someone that's wanting a 9mm PCC just for range fun, do you feel like the extra $1000+ premium is worth it for the APC9, or should I just go with the GHM9 and use the rest on ammo?
I don’t think the GHM9 is goofy looking, but I do prefer the APC. The GHM9 will definitely serve you well, so that’s a financial decision you’ll have to make. I really can’t tell you what will make you happy. Both are good guns.
I wish they still made the apc9 with a fixed charging handle, folding charging handles suck and there's no reason for them. The only good thing about the new one is that it's non-reciprocating
I love the bolt hold open/ bolt release. I wish more gun manufacturers would ditch the old and outdated ping pong paddle AR style and switch to that style.
The inclusion of a paddle has stopped me from buying tons of guns. As I understand it, a lot of government agencies put out RFPs that require an AR-style manual of arms. It’s a shame, the one finger bolt operation of the APC, XCR, MP7, etc, should be the norm nowadays. Hopefully the paddle doesn’t get passed into the NGSW if they even decide to do it.
I don't know... I think sub guns need curves. I mean, look at the MP5 or the AR-V... mmmm... curved mags... That is unless they're innovative; Kriss Vector, CMMG radial delay bolt, MEAN Arms bearing delay...
That's a matter of preference of course. For me, the only two things I dislike about the MPX is that it's a bad suppressor host and it's not a high round count gun. I've talked to a number of people how who have used them in competition and they start having reliability issues as you get up there in the number of rounds fired. The SPC is a great silencer host, but I don't know if it will be able to handle a high round count. Only time will tell. In terms of ergonomics and stuff, they're both really good. To get my MPX to where I really liked it I had to replace the barrel and gas system which was another $400+. Right now the SPC is more interesting to me, perhaps because it's new or perhaps I'm an unapologetic B&T fan.
@@Militaryarmschannel strange, my MPX is the gun I shoot the most (i don't trust my backstop to rifle rounds) and I haven't had any problems with it bar a broken trigger pack after only 1000 or so rounds (put a Geissele in it and it's never been a problem since)
Both versions of the gun use the same recoil buffer system. The longer barreled gun with the larger footprint stock has an ever so slight advantage due to the gun being heavier and a larger stock.
I see this as way superior to something like an AR-9 design. Superior to something like an APC or GHM? No clue. Might be. But in my mind this is what AR-9s should be. So many companies just swap out a few parts and is like "here's our new XYZ-9! It's so cool!" The modern market demands more than just an assembled AR-9. And in this case I think this fills that void.
I get your thinking, but won’t happen. The reason AR-9’s are fairly inexpensive is due to using AR-15 components. That forces you to make certain design choices that would prevent much of this.
halo from Serbia.you said you like zastava guns did you ever run in to there handguns ore m-93 black arrow 50.cal sniper rifle,and if you can could you review some of them on your channel.
@MilitaryArmsChannel Do you think there is extra gas coming from the T-Charging Handle when suppressed compared to the APC9Pro with the forward "MP5 style" forward charging handle only?
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The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem,I'm also a B&T Fan Boy
B&T really knocks it out of the park, it’d be cool if they rereleased some of their limited production pistols of the past.
I wanted their spectre copy so bad but couldn’t find one anywhere.
300 more kh9’s going to thsf I believe.
@@MurderBallad oh really? Where’d you hear that, I’d be interested in reserving one.
@@josephwhiskeybealethey just did a run of the sd, doing another. Call them.
Casual snacking and schwacking. Love it.
I would love to see the SPC put through the gauntlet. B&T is known for reliability but it would be cool to see how reliable it is
anyone know why b&T decided to go with straight mags?
@@jason200912 because it works. At one time HK was making straight MP5 9mm mags.
@@physh101mp You don't see a lot of high cap 223 straight mags.
@@jason200912 it’s because it was first intended for the MP9 which has the magwell on the grip, so it had to be straight. I think they didn’t bother to design a new mag and just kept the old because it works well
Admit it. You felt like a kid at Christmas shooting this new offering. The smile on your face hip shooting both at the same time says it all.👍
Thanks
No, thank YOU!
They are on the Suisse market already, same price as the APC9, I'm happy to see the first review.
I want that PDW version. That's another one to my B&T SBR Collection (Currently at 9).
For defense I think the 9mm pcc is PERFECTO!! My 12 ga. WAS my go to until years ago I got ahold of a Beretta cx4 and that was that! It pairs with my 92 and have since bought a PSA ARV-9 . ( I love it but...I'll take the cx4 in a pinch) Thanks for the content and please keep on truckin' ! God Bless.⚔🤠🛡
I got this one 2 weeks ago. Love it to bits! Now getting a compensator and separate silencer for the 3-lug!
Nice review !
Where did you get it? I can’t find any info on where to get one.
@@numbertwowithcheeseplease9200 i got it in Switzerland. 2 of my friends just got one too
Did you get the standard barrel length SPC9 with the 3 M-Lock slots on each side? If so had you had the chance to test its accuracy out to 200 meters which is the maximum effective range of 9mm Pistol Caliber Carbines?
@@MrAnimeMilitary standard size barrel with 3 m-lok slots. So far only shot it up to 50m (IPSC match) and am extremely happy with the results. Hope to be able to test it up to 200m later this year, however will hardly ever use it over 50-70m
@@jaspercoppens6708 The rifling of the barrel of the SPC9, does it have traditional rifling or polygonal rifling? And where you able to chronograph its muzzle velocity?
MAC with the first look! Great production as always, thanks for what you do.
Thanks for providing this review. B&T fanbois like me can't get too much of the Swiss goodness.
For me the most interesting modell is the SD version with the integrated silencer
That was a cool a-10 flying over.
Awesome thanks for the review becoming a fan of the weapon. Looks like a nice shooter
I would like both of them but I lean to the SPC9.
Always a great info , I’m a huge B&T fan and appreciate the videos
Never a dull moment when watching these Outstanding videos.
Thank you and thanks for watching.
Love the A10 passing !!
Who else was waiting for a BBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTT! @ 17:10 from that A10? I though MAC was a goner.
If the AR15 issue is so much on hand why not just a CMMG Banshee???
I bought a brand new Banshee and ended up trading it to a shop towards an APC9 Pro. No comparison quality wise. B&T is just so incredible.
Because, Europeans
Because B&Ts work.
@@Mericajake ^ so true 😂
@@03Grunt-arrino I already have an apc9 pro....though I really want to get my hands on a banshee as well
Why not just use the Sig MPX without the protruding buffer tube? ...or an AR-9 if they were looking for AR operation. Why the SPC?
I'd be interested in a comparison video.
The MPX was submitted, the SPC got the nod.
@@Militaryarmschannel Ahh... okay. Either way, nice platform. The more options out there, the better. 🙂
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@@Militaryarmschannel does anybody know why the spc was chosen over the mpx? I heard it was due to the mpx’s weight, but I have the 4.5 sig copperhead with the mlok rail and the apc9k pro and they feel like they are very similar in weight, both being right around 5lbs
Never heard of them. Thanks for the intro!
looks and sounds like a fancy ar9 with an additional side charging handle. I think I will stick with the apc9k pro.
I have a APC9K and I’m getting this one as well!
I had to watch that intro 3 times! Awesome!
Thats badass MAC….. I gotta have one, Ill be in touch at least with Copper Customs….Ty for the demo
I want one so bad! Seems like the spc buffer system would work better than the apc's.
I like the enclosed system much better. As long as it is sealed well.
Thank you for your service.
Silent death over head!!! Hell yeah. I like the gun too! Can’t wait to see those hit the market
I'm a little late to the game here but found this video because I'm buying one soon. The big reason over here in Europe to buy one instead of the APC 9 is the overall length (with stock). Since the latest change in the EU gun regs, long weapons must - in their shortest form - be a minimum of 60cm in length. The APC9 with its stock folded is therefore far too short and means a headache with the paperwork. The SPC9 though is 62.5cm, meaning that it's much easier for sport to get permission.
I didn't like the feel of the retractable stock bars on my cheek so I made and I'm selling cheek risers for the SPC9 on Ebay
Why not the GHM9 with a 16” barrel setup🤔
People underestimate the GHM9 but it's in top 3 PCCs of all time
Very interesting carbine. Thank you for bringing us the info in another solid review.
I thought that 3rd gun on the table was a Stibog for a quick moment 🤣
Don’t mean to be rude but maybe the coolest thing in the video besides all the B&Ts was the A10 ! 🇺🇸
can the standard charging handle be swapped out for a Geiselle although the B&T is not a 556?
Work just like a Swiss watch, smooth and reliable.
DamnI I'm glad that I recently ordered a new aquicisiton permit so that I can finally buy now the SPC9 PDW
Branson is a Rogue American man of culture. Nice.
Keep them coming!
We're always working on the next video. :)
17:11 to watch the A-10C fly over
Absolutely love 9mm PCC’s. Any word yet on when you have a video of the Beretta CX4 storm?
When can we buy them in the US?
7:14 Grogu loves his APC9
I HAVE A JUST RIGHT CARBINE IN 9MM AND HAVE THE 45 ACP CHANGE KIT, BOTH RUN ON GLOCK MAGS...HAVE YOU REVIEWED IT...JIMP.
I don't think he has I belive iraqvet8888 has
Good morning MAC
is there a muzzle brake for the B&T SPC
Best opening ever.
Hope they release this soon. Been waiting for it.
Nice overview with very nice PCC's.
Thank you for the video.
Thank you for watching.
im just wondering with that buffer system ure not able to put a folding stock on the pcc version or can you ? hope somebody can help me out
Those look awesome!
I am a B&T fan boy too
Same lol
Holy. Look at all that recoil. It's kicking the heck out of that guy. Why does every straight blowback have somebody saying it has low recoil when there's video of it curbstomping their shoulder?
Why can't you get any apc9-SD in stock ??????
Thanks Tim
Thank you for watching!
@@Militaryarmschannel it is Tim, correct sir?
If you time, I'm looking to purchase another suppressor in the near future, actually 2 cans, a 55.6 and 30. , Recommendations greatly appreciated
Have you ever had any issues with the straight 9mm magazines?
2:07 you got their name wrong in their website
Thank you for pointing that out... Argh.
@@Militaryarmschannel no problem haha it happens to the best of us
Can you do a test on how different a wound channel is comparing 55 grain to heavier grains like 77gr. ?
When I take a 55 to the lungs, liver or kidney I just walk it off.
Great video. I love the B&T stuff. I would love to see a video about the Manurhin MR73.
I've been waiting for this review....
Nice. But if i want 9mm PCC/SMG with AR-15 control/look just go to SIG MPX - imho better platform. You have fully calapse stock, easy change barrel, and more advance operation system (piston not blowback)
Torn between this and the apc9
More or less recoil than the cmmg guard series?
Interesting gun. Wish this was available when I bought my Scorpion.
Looks like yall were shooting some cast reloads with that puff of smoke coming out. I shoot almost exclusively cast 125gr lrn 9x19 luger w/ 3.8gr Bullseye in this ammo crunch and thats the exact puff I get with pan lubed bullets. I shoot a ton of lead I have to scrub the barrel a little more than copper but oh well, my barrels last forever
Great video. Very functional weapon.
If you had to pick APC9 vs SPC what would you pick.
APC9 If you’re suppressing it. I have both.
Thumbs up for Grogu! Great vid, MAC. If I didn't already have an AR9 Pistol, I'd be really interested in getting one soon. Lets see how funds look in the future. Cheers!
I wish someone would make something like this in the budget price range.
You can try your luck with the PSA ARV 9mm.
@@Militaryarmschannel I've been tempted, I've also considered the extar ep9 but there's always something off about them that I can't quite put my finger on.
@@xMrBlack Check our Aero's EPC-9
Wish I could afford a high end pcc.... Century said affordable but last I saw it wasnt really. I like the ptr 9mm but I'd love a B&T.... I've been working overtime all summer in hopes of treating myself to something a bit more high end. If I can get something under 2k I'll be happy
If you look at gun.deals you can find the Century AP5p and AP5 for less than $1800 now. They have dropped over $500 in just a few weeks. I’ve got the same guns imported by Zenith and you will be happy with them. I’m just glad the prices have dropped back to close to what they should be.
Love the intro clip
Tim gone Hollywood on the entro! 😆
Another great video
I want it, waiting on a3 tactical lower for the bog first. Beretta has the pmx , wondering if they will become available to us soon.
APC-9 Looks like stirbog from Grand power , am i wrong or anyone else agree with me? Thank you Tim for the video i really enjoyed it, greetings from sunny 😎 and hot sLOVEnia 😜🇸🇮👍 stay awesome and stay healthy P.S you know we will win gold in basketball this Olympics 😜🤪😋😎👍🇸🇮🇸🇮🇸🇮🇸🇮
Apc was first
@@InfBerBat143 sorry i didn't know that thanks for information have a great day
Guess It's all in what one is accustomed to, but, stock looks uncomfortably short for shoulder firing.
Well, M16A1, pump shotgun & 1911.45 what I had for official trng. 10/.22, dbl-brl 12 GA & revolvers for pers. shooters - guess I'm a Fudd?
Hey MAC, for someone that's wanting a 9mm PCC just for range fun, do you feel like the extra $1000+ premium is worth it for the APC9, or should I just go with the GHM9 and use the rest on ammo?
If you’re willing to be ok with the goofy looks of the ghm9 then I’d say probably go with that
I don’t think the GHM9 is goofy looking, but I do prefer the APC. The GHM9 will definitely serve you well, so that’s a financial decision you’ll have to make. I really can’t tell you what will make you happy. Both are good guns.
I wish they still made the apc9 with a fixed charging handle, folding charging handles suck and there's no reason for them. The only good thing about the new one is that it's non-reciprocating
HB Industries makes one.
@@Mericajake according to their site it's not compatible with the newer models
17:12 do you see regular flyovers like that or what? Are you near an AFB? That’s pretty cool. Much love from Texas!
Very cool. I'd love to be able to own one of those.
I love the bolt hold open/ bolt release. I wish more gun manufacturers would ditch the old and outdated ping pong paddle AR style and switch to that style.
The inclusion of a paddle has stopped me from buying tons of guns. As I understand it, a lot of government agencies put out RFPs that require an AR-style manual of arms. It’s a shame, the one finger bolt operation of the APC, XCR, MP7, etc, should be the norm nowadays. Hopefully the paddle doesn’t get passed into the NGSW if they even decide to do it.
Just checked, Textron did an ACR style bolt hold/release thank god, of course sig went pingpong.
when suppressed which would u say is more gassey ? APC9 or the SPC9 ?
I don't know... I think sub guns need curves. I mean, look at the MP5 or the AR-V... mmmm... curved mags... That is unless they're innovative; Kriss Vector, CMMG radial delay bolt, MEAN Arms bearing delay...
Can’t wait to get one… I think I’ll get rid of my CZ scorpion…
Is it better than the mpx?
That's a matter of preference of course. For me, the only two things I dislike about the MPX is that it's a bad suppressor host and it's not a high round count gun. I've talked to a number of people how who have used them in competition and they start having reliability issues as you get up there in the number of rounds fired. The SPC is a great silencer host, but I don't know if it will be able to handle a high round count. Only time will tell. In terms of ergonomics and stuff, they're both really good. To get my MPX to where I really liked it I had to replace the barrel and gas system which was another $400+. Right now the SPC is more interesting to me, perhaps because it's new or perhaps I'm an unapologetic B&T fan.
The rental MPX and Banshees we offer at our range are always broken one way or another.
@@Militaryarmschannel strange, my MPX is the gun I shoot the most (i don't trust my backstop to rifle rounds) and I haven't had any problems with it bar a broken trigger pack after only 1000 or so rounds (put a Geissele in it and it's never been a problem since)
A10 in Northwest Indiana? Never seen them 🤷🏼♂️
Hey Mac would you say there is a difference in felt recoil with the different recoil buffer systems?
Both versions of the gun use the same recoil buffer system. The longer barreled gun with the larger footprint stock has an ever so slight advantage due to the gun being heavier and a larger stock.
@@Militaryarmschannel oh gotcha I thought maybe the system was a little different between the two. Thank you for the reply and the video!
Is the APC/GHM9 lower the same, and if so Will they consider selling just the completed upper?
I see this as way superior to something like an AR-9 design.
Superior to something like an APC or GHM? No clue. Might be.
But in my mind this is what AR-9s should be. So many companies just swap out a few parts and is like "here's our new XYZ-9! It's so cool!" The modern market demands more than just an assembled AR-9. And in this case I think this fills that void.
I get your thinking, but won’t happen. The reason AR-9’s are fairly inexpensive is due to using AR-15 components. That forces you to make certain design choices that would prevent much of this.
@@donrichter3523 oh yeah, I understand why companies make AR-9s. I'm just saying like in a perfect world this is what they should be.
Every one: wow that “pcc” is really cool
Me: yup another gun the army/ Mac gets that we won’t ever, but that tiger skin hat though. (Company?)
halo from Serbia.you said you like zastava guns did you ever run in to there handguns ore m-93 black arrow 50.cal sniper rifle,and if you can could you review some of them on your channel.
Do you use Loctite to keep your tri lug barrel adapter secure to the barrel threading?
Very nice.
Is Grogu old enough to have that SBR?
Revisit the TP9!
Hey Tim, plz review the KP9 once you've put the mp5 style front charger on it, I'm curious what you think
Wonderful weapon indeed but I hate the two charging handles. Why not just one? Doesn't it increase the cost?
@MilitaryArmsChannel Do you think there is extra gas coming from the T-Charging Handle when suppressed compared to the APC9Pro with the forward "MP5 style" forward charging handle only?
I've ran the SPC and SPC PDW almost always with either a SilencerCo can or D9-Z and noticed no gas to my face.