2021 KTM 300 TPI GET ECU Race Kit Installation
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
- In this video I install an Athena GET ECU Race Kit with injector relocation to the reed valve.
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2021 KTM 300 EXC TPI with RK TEK Head and GET ECU Race Kit
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I look forward to your full review as this is at the top of my list for my new 2021 300
I'd like a dyno comparisson
yes please
yes, if there is dyno I can sell a bunch in El Salvador
Been waiting for this vid. Very tempted ECU. Head and Reed upgrade. Bee speaking to Tacomoto today.
Two Stroke Performance will reflash your stock ECU and include one of their heads for half the price. The reviews of the TSP kit are very, very good. I've got one ordered. I would love to see Tokyo Mods do a comparison between the TSP kit and the GET.
Exactly my thoughts, thanks!
I've seen a couple riders with GET, Vortex and Two Stroke Performance ecu updates. So far the Two Stroke Performance has been consistently perfect on every bike and riders who compete on TPI's love how it fixes the fueling gaps.
With the GET the performance will be very dependent on the MAP being used. The people you know who are using GET, they were running MAPs developed by Harris Performance? Or something else?
@@TokyoOffroad They're running the map that came with the unit from TacoMoto on 2020 KTM 350. Very interested to see how it works out for you.
My TSP tuned OEM ecu with the high comp head runs like garbage. 2020 250XC. There is virtually ZERO bottom end now. Not sure what happened. it's like a light switch now. Old school 2 stroke feel. I am sending mine back to have my OEM map reinstalled and going to put the stock head back on.
@@SkinnySkinch thats def not right. I’ve had the medium comp head and it smoothed out my bottom end a lot. Just hit 100hrs and its time for a new top end.
@@bikesbeersbeats yeah I am super disappointed in it. my buddies all have the same setup and love it but clearly something went wrong with mine. it has so little bottom that it feels like a 125 until the power comes on and then like I said it's like a light switch and it rips your arms off. its not enjoyable. my 2019 300 TPI was the smoothest engine ive ever felt I was in love with the TPI but this 2020 really put a bad taste in my mouth.
You’ve had the kit installed for a while now. Are you still happy with the upgrade? It’s a significant investment! Thanks, REM
Thank you for the detailed vid. Did you have to richen the mapping at all with the addition of the higher compression head and the new pipe? Or was the stock loaded map able to adjust for that. In other words, how does the stock loded TacoMoto map know you modified the engine ?
Its gonna be interesting to see the results. It feels a bit over the top that One hand make the more aggressive\ powerful and on the other hand more mild.
Besides the relocation kit, what is the advantages of this compared to a piggyback tuner?
Where do I buy the pinion cover?
what brand is it?
I mean the long piece of aluminum so that the mud does not accumulate, not the clutch cover
I’m waiting till jury’s out on the Coober. Seems like it’s the ecu KTM would have built if emissions were not an issue. Yes I know it’s not open and there’s no adjustments but it’s half the price and solves a lot of these issues. Also it’s fit is identical to stock
i wanna know, I met with branny from Austria and the fucker was a computer geek! I don't know what happen after the law suit he got
Las Vegas NEVADA. Great Review and yes Mike is great and so is Harris performance.
LOL. Complete brain fart there ;-) I corrected the that in the second video intro :-)
Got mine fitted, it’s a lot better, slight dip in the middle, I am looking to book some Dyno time.
So you spent a load of money and it’s still not right?
Now, it's the best bike I have ever owned, the factory KYB kit works brilliantly as well. Yes I have spent more than the bike again, so what, I work hard and could retire now if I wanted. My mate who earns less than me races Porsche Gold Cup Cars......I spend less than him.
2:40 injector relocation to reed valve improves vaporisation not atomisation because of heat transfer from crank shaft. Crank runs cooler.Also should allow you to remove the oil pump system and run premix fuel.
same but different, si y no!
Another great video thanks 👍
Thanks for the video. I'm really interested in a true honest review on this as there are many mixed opinions. The ecu I know makes a huge difference but the injector is the interesting one. Thanks again.
I have this kit for 250 hours now on my 2018 300 tpi. Let me tell you loud and clear - this is the best thing i ever did to this bike. The bike pulls waaay harder, powerful like never before, controlable, with noticably lower gas milage than the oem setup - my bike takes one liter for every 15-16 kilometers riding enduro and highspeeds on it. Iv allready changed 2 pistons wich came out in excellent shape including the cylinder thanks to better lubrication and fuel automization.
This is expensive kit - but worth every penny. Pure geniuse using basic science. This kit brings to your bike all the carb models benifits plus saving your fuel injection benefits. If your concidering this kit - go for it, only thing you might regret is not getting it sooner.
@@Erez84 thanks for the review. I already have the ECU remap/med comp head and that made a huge difference I totally agree. I'm interested in the injector relocation and what evidence there is for this, if genuine proof I will totally spend the extra on that. Also can you run VForce reeds with this kit? I didn't see them in this video and don't recall it mentioned. Cheers again.
@@CrTopher_
Everyhing stayd oem - reeds and head. As for the relocation kit, the evidence for me is on the 2 pistons iv already changed, the excellent cylinder condition, the fuel economy, the crisp throttle respons and an amazingly clean power valve assembly. All of these i tie directly to the better automization the relocation kit provides. its really basic science, thats why people preffered the carby models. as for adding this to allready exsiting mapping - it might need a remap to suit this setup but i dont know for sure - ask Slavens/ Mike fro Tacomoto
btw, rumors says that 2022 models will come with the injectors in this location from factory. will be interesting to see if they eventually will.
@@Erez84 if rumors are correct, I’ll probably get the 2022 model, I guess we’ll see around ~June... I have had the 2019, and I’m on a 2020, and so far I got lucky on both, and my 2020 has been absolutely phenomenal!!
Have this on my 300 with a Slavens Mule tune. It the most incredible addition I've ever made to a bike. Well maybe my WP Pro components....
Hell I don’t know what else you’d throw at it with engine mods and pro suspension
Any way we can check out your bike? Is it anywhere on RUclips? Or anywhere else? Sounds awesome.
@@kimojon9665 Might try clicking on my channel. Both 300 and 790 are there.
Great video! NO BS, just right to it!
Pleased that you enjoyed the video.
Is it possible to use it without relocating the injectors? I want more top end, don't care much for low end
Are you able to modify the oil injection maps with the GET ecu?
The first GET Injector relocation blocks were deforming peoples airboxes. Check and make sure your filter is sealing properly, etc. I don't know if they resolved the issue or not. It does look much thicker than reed block so I would think the throttle body must be pushed back towards the air box
I did check and the fit is very good and certainly not an issue with the 2021 air box boot design.
@@TokyoOffroad glad to hear it!
I'm anxious to see what the results are and yes a dyno comparison is going to be necessary for me to shell out $1200...
Also, I have to say that fit and finish is very important and it would bother me to install an ECU that doesnt fit the OEM spot and replace the injectors with bungs that look like a dirt trap and potential future leak opportunities. A smooth cap held in place with the factory injector screw mounts would seem more appropriate.
I've had this setup for over a year and the fit and finish are nice. I've never had any issues with the ignition not being in the same mounts as stock. What I will say is with my tune the bike doesn't hit as hard but it will climb a tree if you had the traction. This bike is so good I'm afraid to buy a new one. Bike starts every time with one push of the button. I did have Slavens put the Mule map on. It was included in the price.
@@wfodavid - ??? This vid is for an ECU mapped by Athena. Yours was mapped by Slavens which means they're going to be different.
@@Crazystuffyousee Yep and I purchased the module so I can add tunes if I want. I tried the stock tune and didn't like.
Can I run this ECU with stock injector setup? if the default map inject more oil is it can be a problem or extra protection?
with this injectors relocation can you use premix oil in gastank to prevent oilpump failure ?
No, the orifice is the incorrect size for that.
I have a bad studder on my 2021 300 TPI. I am looking at the GET race kit to resolve this. What is your opinion after a month of use? Did you have any studder issues before you installed it?
@THE ONEONETWO the CCP sensor was not the issue. I checked it along with everything else it could have been. I had the stock ecu reflashed by TwoStrokePerfrmance. The issue is 100% resolved now.
I noticed you had blinkers and horn where did you get this, nothing to do with ECU😂, I am going to get that also
I think the people bitching don't understand performance upgrades vs parts needed to make the bike run well. Probably because they have old bikes and no money so every dollar that goes into the bike is to keep it running. I am not being a dick either. But understand its two different things. Upgrading his bike is part of the hobby for him.
Mark that is a lot of plumbing there lol ,think I will just stay with the Stic in my Keihen , D
Certainly nothing wrong with that plan. I love riding my carb bike and have no plan to sell it...
It would be nice if you could adjust the traction control from the phone app, is there a reason it requires a separate control ?
Adjusting the traction control from the GET app is currently not possible. The preferred setting can be set when ordering from Taco Moto. My map 2 is set to 0 without the controller, but you could request it set to any setting 0-10. If you want to be able to adjust it you’ll need to purchase the GET traction control controller knob.
Thanks for the reply, how many maps can you store in the App at once?
You can custom save up to 99 user created maps in the app.
They just came out with an ECU only mod from GET. It makes a lot of since if you can premix with it but if you can't I don't see the advantage with reliability. I have a 2022 KTM 300xc and it runs great. If I still have to run an oil pump with the relocation kit I just don't see enough advantage to mod a bike so much. It looks like a mess and might help performance but I don't know how it will help reliability.
If you use the GET with injector relocation you can delete the oil pump (requires a dongle) and run premix if you like. The GET with injector relocation has proven to be reliable with good performance on my bike.
@@TokyoOffroad interesting. Yeah I would be interested if you can delete the oil pump. Is this something you have done on your tbi and have experience with? And do you sell the dungle for it?
@@davidsalinas5508 Same question...very interested
Any dyno result?
12K for a bike that needs this?
Can the Vforce 4 reeds be used with the Get injection kit?
No, unfortunately not :-( The stock reeds need to be used.
Cooling the air and making it denser before the crankcase is the only advantage just like a carburetor. It will need more fuel and more oil to make up for the fuel washing the oil out of the crankcase.
Very correct - so why buy a TPI then hmm? ;-)
@@izmeorbin9602
I agree, why buy a TPI? Unfortunately the answer is - environmental brain washing has forced this unnecessary change :/. I am all for new tech and being responsible with our resources and planet. Unfortunately agendas and politicians have to much control in my opinion. I am happy the 2T lives 🤘🏻🤙
This kits applied for Husqvarna TE300i model 2018? Please share link too.
Yes a kit is available for our bike. Select "18-19 250-300 TPI RACE KIT (ECY & RELOCATOR)" from the pull down menu here: tacomoto.co/products/get-ecu-for-ktm-hqv-250-300tpi?_pos=3&_sid=effcc1fc0&_ss=r
mark i have ktm 300 tpi 2020 with vforce 4 and i notice doesn't work well at low bottom rpm only in high rev.....
What head are you using? The RK Tek head makes a big difference at low rpm. ruclips.net/video/Z4gc23ZfdF8/видео.html
@@TokyoOffroad i have S3 head and coober ecu and working great only with stock reeds........ the problem is with vforce 4 and i try to figure out what's going on....
There’s no way to use a Vforce reed valve assembly with the injector relocation block, is there?
I'm with you on this. I really don't like the stock reed valve design, quality, or reliability. It would be much better to be able to use a VForce. Hopefully a solution becomes available soon.
@@TokyoOffroad No solution yet I guess? 😄
Would this conversion allow you to run premix?
Yes, it would. But there is some disagreement regarding whether the injectors are OK passing premix oil. As such I haven't tried it, but certainly if there is no issue with the injectors it would be a more reliable method of lubrication IMO.
They sell an ECM that doesn't even fit the bike mount ?
I'm not a fan of that even if the bracket isn't hard to make , you still need the metal.
If a company is designing an item , why not design it to fit ?
I agree with you. Considering the market size (KTM, Husqvarna & Gasgas) I think Athena should make at least a bracket which allows easy install on to the stock rubber 4 post mount system...
@@TokyoOffroad ... Thanks for your videos , they are great!
Yes , I couldn't imagine sitting down to design a part and making it not fit or leaving out parts to make it fit.
You can buy a frame to fix it securely from Slavins I think. Its a steel plate cut to fit.
So... if the injectors are moved at the reed valve... does it mean you can convert an older non TPI EXC to TPI?
I guess not, you still have no where to put thermal sensor, pressure sensor... Need an ecu, fuel tank might be different etc...
All of that wonderful development and they couldn't make a proper mounting system that mimics the stock mounting? Common now.
I agree. At least a mounting adapter plate could be included in the kit.
👍👍👍👍
Las Vegas, California? Never knew Vegas was in Cali lol
LOL. Brain fart...
first try (3years ago)of athena was too rich carburetion🤓
Tsp head and flash, loads cheaper and better gains
Did this make your bike run better throughout the range? My 250 2020 seems very sluggish and lazy
Why you don’t buy the ECU COOBER
From what I've seen they're sold out.
Can I do pre mixes with this kit?
Yes, premix will work fine with injector relocation. Recommend using an oil pump delete dongle (resistor which plugs into the oil pump connector). TwoRide has a delete kit here: www.tworide.net/product-page/tpi-oi-removal-kit
@@TokyoOffroad at what percentage should I make a mixture in order not to compromise the engine and injectors?
@@maxkapo1 My recommendation is if you're running premix is Motorex CrossPower 2T at 60:1
@@TokyoOffroad now that I'm pre-mixing, the bike struggles to start from cold, from hot it starts fine... what's going on?
Las Vegas Nevada, not California
TPS
TPS can be calibrated with the GET ECU connected if experiencing idle issues. The calibration details are provided in the GET documentation.
I dont have a 300 tpi, but if I did there is no way I'd put this crap on it to gain 2 hp.
Indeed... 1000$ ~ for hp that you surely dont need unless you are a pro or race very open courses...
Did I just watch a guy un TPI a brand new KTM? I don't get it, what is this supposed to achieve?
If you like how the bike runs stock there is no point. Leave it stock. If you don't like how it runs stock adding an RK Tek head and GET ECU improves the power and response considerably, allows custom maps to be used and map tuning while out riding (fueling and timing adjustments controlled from your smartphone) and traction control.
@@TokyoOffroad But that bike was literally brand new, how do you know if it runs good if you've never rode it? And why would it not run good from the factory? I just can't wrap my head around spending $12k on a brand new bike just to throw thousands more at it before it's even rode once.
@@stupidmoto I guess you haven't watched my other videos about the bike. This is my initial ride impression video of my 2021 300 EXC TPI with stock ECU and stock head: ruclips.net/video/db-jSWo1rlw/видео.html
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Exactly!!! See? This guy gets it.....lol
Shame you have to use the OEM reeds.
Please consider converting your TPI into carburator. I think it would be the best mod for TPI.
Cant way to much involved to do.
@@Madtigertv I have seen it done on a brand new 2018 bike.
Thats exactly what this kit does while giving you the benifits of both carb and fuel injected models.
Benefit of the carb is simplicity durability etc.
@@ccenduro To have 2021 carb bike not 2017 :)
Love the channel but not a fan of $11k dirt bikes that still need parts to function properly.
Progress and inflation. Everything is a computer these days, cars, TVs, and now dirt-bikes. Wifi, tune it with your smart phone. I bought a $10,400.00 KTM 500 EXC. I added a $700.00 ECU to make it run properly. This is an EPA issue in the US since my 500 is street legal.
@@johndavis1217 crazy to have to do. Ats why I buy Sherco. Race ready out of the box. Dual Sports a different topic tho.
The TPI bikes don't need this horseshit. The GET system is just another way to for people to piss away their money for no good reason.
@@johndavis1217 I agree, I have a 2020 FX 350, the standard mapping made the bike difficult to ride, it was far too lean resulting in the header glowing red as soon as you started the thing, snatchy delivery not much low down at all, prone to stalling. First move was get the ECU re-mapped by Twisted, it worked well, and not too expensive, then I went for the Vortex X10, brilliant and totally adjustable, the bike rides like a dream now...........except for the bloody FMF 4.1 TI which is so loud its embarrassing.
This is getting out of control.......how about a bike that needs nothing other than a suspension tweak to suit the rider.......not all this expensive stuff for a bike that is already bloody expensive to buy!
There are plenty of people who like the stock suspension and power and don't spend anything on mods. So yeah, there's no need to spend money if you're happy with how it performs...
This is crazy stupid 😂
I'll bite, why?
@@TokyoOffroad Why ! Lol lets start with your going back in time 😂 and what's that big piece of junk attached to the reeds. Secondly I hope they are adding more oil to that engine because that case is going to try out like hell. The list goes on and on of incredibly stupidity this kit represents, it's an insult to those engineers who spend so many years perfecting TPI engines. Say all you want in your review but I will always be 100% against this type of rubish. I love you channel and your videos are the best, but when it comes to these things sorry but we will never agree.
No worries. I know many people love how the stock TPI bikes perform and have a blast (riding them stock). And there are others who don't like the bike stock. This kit is intended to improve performance, allow the rider to easily make mapping changes and also adds traction control. If this doesn't appeal to you that's fine, but I don't agree that it's "crazy stupid". The ECU not having a mount which fits on the the standard rubber mount posts and having to use the stock reed valve are not plus points though. Anyway, I'm enjoying testing this product and will definitely be making some update videos about it when I've had some more time with it...
@@TokyoOffroad If spending over $1,100 is not stupid to improve what ? 1 or 2 Hp ? 😂 is not stupid then my friend I don't know what stupid is. I know what your going to say it's not about the horse power bla bla bla... it always is about that and spending thousands of dolors on RK Tech heads and GET ECU or V-Force reeds are not going to give you more then 2, 3 Hp and that's why they are not worth it. These bikes come out of the factory with amazing engines and there is nothing you can do to better them.
@@stone4858 - Yes, if you're happy with the bike there would be no point in spending money on it.
Regarding you're comment "These bikes come out of the factory with amazing engines and there is nothing you can do to better them.". These bikes come out of the KTM factory in stock homologation tune. Have you ridden one like this? They unrideable offroad (less than 20Hp). The stock pipe has a cat and O2 sensor, airbox has a plate inside with 4 small holes and ECU provides further strangulation. To resolve this sorry state of stockness the pipe is replaced, ECU remapped and plate removed from the airbox. So thankfully it is very easy to better what comes out of the factory and your dealer does it all for you before delivery...
BAD idea!! Injecting fuel into the crankcase WILL dilute the oil hence will reduce the lubrication of the various parts, obviously reducing the lifespan of the engine!
The GET ECU controls the amount of oil injected for this configuration. Carb model bikes have the oil and gasoline passing through the crankcase too and they certainly don't have bottom end lifespan issues.
@@TokyoOffroad exactly. Rub a little mixed gas on your skin, it leaves oil. Thats how they lubricate.
@@TokyoOffroad Because you said the GET ECU controls the oiling, I don't suspect any issues.
But if it didn't, and the bike still only oiled the stock amount with the expectation of no fuel passing through the crankcase, then I believe Iz's point makes sense.
Mike, premix and older oil injected two strokes work great this way, but they intentionally supply more oil to compensate for the washing effect of the gasoline vapors as well. The TPI system meets environmental standards because it only injects the minimum amount of oil required to keep the crankcase lubricated. Adding gasoline into the equation and not adapting for by increasing the oil as well would cause issues.
@@Balomis - That's right (oil injection controlled by the GET ECU). The race kit isn't new and I haven't heard of any oil related issues.
@@TokyoOffroad Can I do pre mix with this kit?
More electronics to become more disconnected. No thanks I stay with a carbed bike.
Thats the whole point, it makes the TPI perform smooth and strong like the carb models but with way better fuel milage and consistency
Have you tried running pre mix with a injector relocator kit ?