And its not sticking way out waiting to get caught on something. I even prefer the 20rd magazines for my AK. Hate that thing sticking way out under the gun. I dont need either of these weapons but given a gift choice I would choose the pump.
Damn good point. There's been a few times when I have seen people go to the range or hunting and forget their mags. You won't have that problem with a tube fed gun.
Paul often says in his videos that “you are going to have to listen to me talk for awhile”. But that is the beauty of his videos. His “talking” is cram packed with substance, not small talk or anecdotes, just solid information. Shooting is done to illustrate a point. I am not sure why I need to spend my time watching other reviewers shoot one or two hundred rounds through a firearm. Paul’s videos are always excellent and worth the time to watch. He is definitely one of the best firearm reviewers on the internet.
@@silasbelcher3788 I own a 90's production 590 SP/Tactical. Standard wall 20" barrel with heat shield and ghost ring sight. 8+1 capacity. This is my go to home defense gun and after installing a Magpul Stock and replacing the factory polymer trigger assembly with a metal I'd trust this gun anywhere, anytime. To say that I have a love affair with this shotgun would be an understatement. 'She' is my girlfriend. I find the 590 to be an uber dependable firearm as well as being accurate past 50 yards with rifled slugs. With a 3" inch chamber you have the choice of using 2 3/4" shotshells as well. The tang safety is ergonomic allowing one to engage and disengage the safety without changing your shooting hand position and the large front blade with the dayglo orange on the back of the blade draws the eye quickly. For me the 590 SP was the perfect choice. I'm sure that the 590 A1 with the added durability of a heavy wall barrel would be a no brainer.
@@topturretgunner tang safety is a draw back for me as it makes you break your thumb grip to actuate the safety. Also would not work with my benelli m4 that has a pistol grip. Cross bolt safety with training can be faster imo as I disengage the safety with my inner trigger finger knuckle as my trigger finger goes into the trigger guard to fire. I than reengage the safety with my thumb while still holding the pistol grip. I do have big hands which might help this technique.
@@DailyDoseOfCanada Understood. For me a guy with small hands the tang safety on the Mossberg 500 series guns were just more intuitive. I've owned a Benelli back in the day and it was a good shotgun as well.
The old Mossberg 590 military version I had, had a 9 shot mag a bayonet lug and in the butt on each side had a ammunition holder that held 2 rounds each for a total of 4 rounds. Great for storing slugs or different ammo than what you thought you would need!! I absolutely loved that gun, it had a heat shield and my bayonet (sorry "fighting knife") did fit on the end of this gun. I was in the Australian Infantry and we used the Buck fighting knife. It go to around the Geneva convention because it (had a blood groove, it was sharp, it had a serrated edge) was a "Fighting Knife" not a bayonet, that just happened to be able to be attached to the end of our rifles!! Plus in conjunction with the scabbard could be used as a wire cutter!!
I have to say, these are by far the most educational practical gun videos on YT. I'm a proponent of shotguns for home defense and this video helps me get my head around the idea of pump vs semi-auto. We see lots of vids talking about quick-loading automatics and tactical this and that, but the idea that the average civilian-involved self defense shooting involves only one shot is never mentioned.
Thank you Paul, this helps a lot of people, usually older, who realize these are scary times we live in. Basic shotguns for home defense is an important topic. Take care, Michael McIntyre
ILeftRules less I misunderstood it sounds like you want to punish the perpetrator with corrective incentives by letting him Crawl away in pain, the problems with that is with our liberal court system to day if there's to sides of the story u'll probably get the short end of the stick, so do urself a faver & just make sure there's only one side, ur's.
You have a talent for putting things in the correct perspective, Paul. Thanks! I just bought a VR-60, and it's good to know its true situational limitations
Select slug drill was very much part of the training when I did security almost 2 decades ago. It was a facility with dangerous animals and obviously buckshot would be ideal for anti personnel purposes but for lions and tigers and bears(oh my) you would obviously want a slug, and if there was an escaped venomous snake you may even want birdshot
Always fond of a new Harrell video in my feed. I would be even happier to see more testing on .223/5.56 ammunition, if that ever made its way to the docket. Thanks again for all you do!
It’s kinda neat stuff for sure. I’m honestly more interested in shotguns for home protection but my situation is more of farmyard pests not two legged idiots. .223/5.56 is definitely up my alley, at least just for the infotainment factor as well as hobby use. Really anything is fine by me and since he has done loads of shotgun videos including the much maligned Judge I’m definitely down for it. Cast me into you vote as well, sounds great. (Odd weights and materials ideally since 55gr and m855 has been beat like a dead horse, and I just picked up 5,000rds of 62gr Barnaul steel cased for competition since my gun shoots them quite well for the money.)
John-Paul Silke : I'm definitely a 5.56 fan. Depends on your barrel. If you have a 1 in 7 or 8 twist rate barrel, try a heavier projectile, maybe 69 or 77gr. My 1/7 BCM LOVES 69gr. Scenar projectiles. Just a hair slower, but Accuracy and BC are top-notch !! Expensive, but, on the other end, ARE capable of being reloaded 10 times (as Lapua advertises?). Don't know about that yet. Will report about brass life later.
Well I have a Type97 bullpup with a 1:7 twist and I does like the heavy stuff. I also have a Ruger Precision but that gets a diet of hand loaded accubonds. The T97 eats brass and was actually designed for steel ammo and is really a halfway disposable rifle so I won’t bother getting to fancy with it.
I read somewhere that SWAT teams switched to .223/5.56 because the bullet was actually *less* likely to go through drywall than one shot through a 9mm carbine. (Basically, because of the .223/5.56's tendency to "tumble" post-impact.) Of course, I have no idea if this is all bullshit or not... sounds like a perfect hypothesis for Paul to test :-D
I’m a 44 year old man. When I was a kid I would have a great sense of anticipation a few weeks out from Christmas or my birthday. Now I check RUclips every day for a new Paul Harrell video. Not as cool as a new bike when you’re 9, but I get to do it every week.
Never had any training with my Mossberg Pump action but having watched Paul I have now learned that I should practice "pullrack" and "no look", eyes on target, top off loading.
Paul, yet another Interesting video. As a kid, I actually hunted with an old Mossberg Bolt Action 12 gauge and my Game Warden Uncle taught me how to handle it...wish I still had both. I have never owned an auto loader and currently use a pump action. Thanks!
Hi Paul - Thanks for yet another excellent - in every aspect - video, which again causes me to thinks and to learn. Whether for home defense, in a waterfowl blind, or in a tree stand, I’ll stick with my (pump/slide action) Remington 870. For decades, it has proven to be simple, accurate, reliable, durable and highly adaptable for many differing missions. With thousands of shells fired, I’ve had zero weapon-related failures and - put very simply - the darn thing works flawlessly and consistently. I’d sheepishly offer a strong endorsement to one of your major points. Specifically, I cannot imagine a citizen-involved shotgun defensive scenario that would require even five shots to be resolved; I suppose it’s possible, but I’d respectfully suggest one is more likely to be struck by lightning on the same day that he wins the Irish Sweepstakes. BZ on another superb teaching video.
I'm in agreement on feeling more confident with a pump shotgun. My personal preference is a Mossberg 500 and 535, but the Remington 870 is an excellent choice also. As you mentioned, time and rounds fired to allow for complete familiarity and confidence with one's choice of weapon is of prime importance. Know your weapon.
I have never seen a video where he hasnt touched all the bases regarding Q and A that might come up. Every video is informative and to the point. Thanks for a great channel.
I was very fortunate that Louis Awerbuck came on a regular basis to the area where I live. I probably took about 15 classes from him including his shotgun. The only real advantage he thought a semiauto shotgun had was one handed operation. One handed operation could be important when having a family that you need to direct with your other hand. As for me, I settled for a Mossberg 590A1 for home defense. I belong to a trap league and shoot weekly (likely 40 weeks a year) with a Mossberg 500. For what it's worth, I think I have now gone about 2,500 to 3,000 rounds without cleaning my Mossberg 500. I have done this on purpose just to see how I could go without cleaning it before there was an issue. I've got a good friend who has taken many shotgun classes with me. He runs a Benelli M4. It is utterly reliable and he is very skilled in running it. At about 300 rounds the Benelli needs to be cleaned. Just sharing what Info I have on the two platforms. Choose what you want and practice with it a lot is probably the most important thing.
I am a huge fan of the Mossberg 590A1. It is my personal choice. I must admit though, I've never had any malfunctions from any pump action shotgun. It remains my favorite platform for most of my needs. Thanks for a great video.
VERY informative and enlightening. I thought I was aware of the pros and cons of each but this video brought a number of situations to the surface that I had never considered. Thank you!
Yes, I'm sure Costco and Jo-Ann Fabrics are also worried. The fleece rolls might be building up. Of course, I didn't mean worried about Paul as no one needs to worry about him, except Chuck Norris. Chuck needs to be very worried, and I'm sure he knows it.
I'll admit that I favor an autoloader like a Mossberg 930 since I can't work a slide during recoil like a boss the way Paul Harrell does. One of the best channels on YT for sure.
I totally enjoyed this video..... I like pump SGs and was tossing and turning on if I should get a semi Auto as it is faster. However, after watching this video, where you dud the transition between targets, I realized the pump is just as fast as a semi-auto once you are not shooting on the same target. Thanks Paul
Paul Harrell is always informative, and covers the topics we all want to know more about. Beware of the auto loading magazine types of shotguns: they can jam and not feed correctly; my experience with the Catamount Fury with 5 round mags 12 gauge.
The mag-fed shotgun isn't going to shift its center of gravity as you fire off the rounds, but a tube-fed's c/g will move. Do you think that is an issue?
That is a good point. The tube fed gun will definitely have a different balance after firing a few rounds, especially if you're loaded with something like 15 pellets of 00 buck. But I have never noticed that it made any real difference in handling the gun.
I regularly use a pump and have never noticed the CG shift, but I do notice the weight reduces as I shoot. When supporting the gun with two hands I don't think it matters, if you are J.M. and firing with one hand while running and reloading that long extension tube... maybe it makes a difference.
To me the weight hanging sofar blow the shotgun makes it feel awkward. Other then banging the mag into things I haven't noticed any shootability difference though.
Man...I love your videos. It's like a wikipedia but for AGS (all gun stuff). Highly highly informative content yet no burning lines here either cool fun way to present valuable information. All the best to you, you're one great human being.
Great presentation as always Paul! I think I’ll stick with my 590A1 and my Shockwave, unless of course I stumble across an extra $1,600 for a Benelli M4.....
I've heard some less than great things about the imported Benelli M4's. I've heard numerous people complain about reliability, as well as the relative low capacity (required due to importation laws). I'll stick with my old Mossberg 500 with 20" barrel and 7+1 tube.
I agree with all you guys, but I hadn’t heard or seen of any reliability issues on the older M4’s. Is it a quality control problem on the newly made M4’s maybe? That’s why I’m perfectly happy with my 590A1!! Anyone tried the new “magazine fed” Mossberg’s yet?
I’m glad to have found this video. So many people I talk to claim autos to be superior to pump shotguns. I assume they are biased because they think the auto is more cool. I have been trying to learn as much as possible about this topic for about a year now, since deciding to get a shotgun. My shoulder was injured around the same time and it took forever to get the surgery done, so I put the shotgun on hold until my shoulder is completely healed. If it was in my possession, I know darn well I’d shoot it. So, I decided to spend some time learning in order to make a good decision. I have pretty much decided to get a Mossberg 590S, because you don’t need an adaptor to run 1.75 inch shells through it. I want one that is as versatile as possible for home defense/ bugout survival. I was worried that I was making the wrong decision, and should get an auto instead, but I don’t like the accidental double shots I get with my CZ 75B 9mm. I’m not sure why it happens, but it makes me hesitant about using it in real world situations. You have cemented my decision on the pump shotgun and I thank you very much. I feel at ease with my decision now. I am a rookie in the world of guns, but I will improve. I spent about a week on the tractor putting berms up and building a small range for myself on the back of our property. It’s only a one hundred yard and under range, but I think it should be adequate for me. (Way out in the country with no neighbors within a couple of miles, so it is safe). Thank you for the informative video and bless you for helping me in my endeavor.
I like those tube mags myself-I find the detachable mags, especially the larger capacity ones, get in the way of comfortable carry and traditional sling carry. The solution for jurisdictions that prohibit loaded weapons is not a detachable magazine, it’s moving.
I've owned both and will always choose the pump over the auto loader. They are much more reliable and have more than enough fire power for any situation I could come up against. I just don't enjoy taking my pump apart to clean it like some of my other weapons. Would be great if you did a video on cleaning a pump shotgun (maybe I could learn something)
Mr. Harrell, another spot on video! I believe that a pump shotgun is the best for home defense. Proper training is a must to get the most out of a shotgun, as they are so versatile.
My auto loader that I use for hunting and skeet shooting stays relatively reliable, provided you keep the ammo consistent. I only shoot federal thru it. I rarely have an issue at the skeet range, and the most common jam when hunting is remedied by pulling the charging handle back. That being said the vintage Remington 870 I bought earlier this year has never had an issue yet. I like both, the auto loader with heavy hunting ammo is faster to get back on target but the ole 870 is there when I need flawless function.
I own both a Mossberg 590A1 and a Remington 11-87 semiautomatic shotgun (and love them both!!). I trained with the former in the USMC and use it for home defense for years. I eventually bought the latter as a bird gun. When I first took the Remington to the trap and skeet range, I had three misfeeds in the course of shooting four rounds of trap. These were of course light loads (#7 1/2 and #8 birdshot). I figured out the misfeeds occurred because I wasn't keeping the shotgun tight in the shoulder and giving the recoiling weapon enough resistance to allow the semiautonomous system to work its magic. On a lark, I decided to run an informal test on the reliability of my Remington 11-87. I bought 100 rounds of Remington 2 3/4 inch, 12 gauge 00 buck loads and went to a local range with the Remington. I fired all 100 rounds and the Remington cycled properly every single time; there was no one misfeed. Best part was my shoulder didn't feel sore; at most, a little tightness the next morning but not enough that I didn't go trap shooting that day. I've noticed that if the Remington is clean and I remember to keep it firmly in my shoulder, I also do not experience misfeeds with light loads. Put another way, I think both are great firearms for home defense. As always, another great video by Paul Harrell. You always give me much food for thought on these matters and I thank you!!
Somehow, a vid w/ Paul shooting, and Bennie Hill playing in the background, would be somewhat incongruous! Now if you're talking about YM and Bennie Hill.... I could definitely see that.
Hopefully, none of the noise you hear in the background will be gunfire. Yah, I used to live in a City like that too. 30 seconds in and I can tell this is going to be a great video. Thanks for the video Paul! You brought up several aspects that I had not even considered. I appreciate that.
As usual, and demonstrated so well by Paul, training is the most important factor. However, I find it curious that many of the knocks on magazine shotguns (mag too long, in the way, unwieldy, may be forgotten, etc.), never seem to get applied to sporting AR and AK platforms. I just don’t see many users advocating replacing mag fed AR's with lever action rifles.
Great video! I have shot both pump and auto for years, recently got break barrel as well. I love each of them for their own quirks and benefits. 590a1 is my go to. It's damn near impossible to have a misfire that prevents the next round from going bang and that's the most important thing for me with that platform.
Your channel is my favorite RUclips gun channel. Your videos are always very informative without trying to persuade people to your political point of view. it's very refreshing. I love that you give the pros and cons to everything you demonstrate and break them down to different situations so that people can make their own informed decisions. I do have one question. Where can I get a jacket like yours? I want one.
What you get from Paul Harrell video: Articulate, concise, to the point, and unbiased to the max, while portraying cons and pros of all firearms.! TOP GUN CHANNEL on RUclips.!!
Fantastic comparison. You go thru a lot of effort to be fair to every realistic scenario and the results are not always what would be expected, but always accurate and thoughtful. Glad I found this channel.
One video I would love to see Paul cover, and forgive me if it has already been covered-but i'd like to see a video specifically about home defense putting the AR-15 against a pump action shotgun. Literally everyone I know and their friend prefer the AR-15 for that purpose, and i'm the odd man out that prefers a pump action shotgun.
There's a bit about it in one of the older videos, maybe "Shotguns don't suck for home defense," but I would also like to see an updated version. What would be really neat would be shotgun versus ar versus pistol for home defense video.
@@clukinvar For the Average Joe, it's My Opinion that the shotgun would improve the overall probability of a hit on target. Most would be Hard pressed to hit a moving target in the dark, which would in most cases probably be the scenario they would find themselves in.
I like the idea of an AR or high capacity pcc for home defense, but shotguns are still a great choice. I really doubt that multiple home invaders are going to hang around once the buck shot starts flying.
Hey Paul there’s not much info about 7.62 tokarev hollowpoints. If you could find one that worked well I think you’d be the first one on RUclips to show it. I think it’s worth checking out.
+Bowen Creer Wolf Gold was the only ones worth a damn for a while, but they discontinued them. The PPU stuff is worthless and unless you are hand loading, you wont find much else.
Funny, I was thinking about that the other day. Also the 9x18 Mak hollow points which aren't Hornady or whatever. Just some curiosity on my part to see how the cheap ammunition actually fares.
+James Torson The best "cheap" JHP for Mak's would be the Silver Bear stuff. It actually expands most the time, gets decent penetration as well. The PPU stuff wont open up reliably or consistently, and most other JHP's tested are about the same. Although, I believe Speer is now loading Gold Dots in Mak, so that should be a great option.
+Rifle Shooter Channel Reed's ammo is horrbly over price, under performs, and is a company not worth doing business with. They under load nearly everything, charge way too much for it, cant quote you shipping costs until you contact THEM instead of it being on their site. Tons of videos out there on there ammo showing it's hot garbage. Yet, they are still around.
It's a moot point to me, seeing as I live in the UK, but I appreciate the response. It's interesting from an academic point to me, to understand the terminal effects of different bullet designs. Sometimes I wish I lived elsewhere, that's for sure.
I was out of trap and skeet shooting by the time the inertia powered Bennelli's were getting popular, so i can't really speak to their reliability. But, I can say that most gas powered, Remington style autos required a little more care and maintenance in high round count situations than a pump. Myself, I have fired many thousands of rounds through an A5 Browning in the field or at the range and very rarely had a malfunction. Love or hate a hump gun, they are exceedingly reliable.
Have been around alot of the bottom of the barrel autos and tacticool autos. Seems they have alot of issues with cycling. Have a hump back and a 48 rem.have very little trouble with them. Have a few modern autos win sx3, sx4, browning gold , and a SBE3. All function flawlessly in the field. You get what you pay for with auto shotguns. $100-150 pump shotguns work very well. So if I wasnt a hunter or clay shooter and just needed a defense shotgun it would be a pump or sxs.
I would personally love to see your opinion on rifle-caliber pistols and how they'd compare to standard pistols and standard rifles. I've always wanted to compare the three but have never had access to them all at the same time.
Paul Harrell you are the man. Thank you so much for all your helpful videos. They truly change the was we think. Also help us look at everything in a different light. Truly appreciated
These's something very cool about pump action shotguns. If you can't clean up a problem with a few shots you only have yourself to blame. Shotguns are the ultimate home defence tool.
There are still some issues with reliability, but I'm not going to knock anyone that prefers one for home defense. I just personally feel more comfortable with the manual slide action if my family's life depends on it.
I inherited a Remington 1148 that hung over the wall of the family farm house as long as I can remember. 16 gauge used for decoration. I have taken it out for nostalgia sake a few times; runs like a champ.....a Mossberg 500 I bought for $120 sits by the bed though. The 1148 is in the safe.
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Is Paul Harrell the best firearms channel on RUclips....? You be the judge.
But don't try this at home, he's what you call a professional...
yes!
His channel looks good to me.
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This comment chain is great
The man was a walking goldmine of information. I’ve learned more from this video than several 590A1 videos from other people.
One of the best advantages to a tube mag. is that you will never misplace or lose it
or drop it in the dirt
This is true
And its not sticking way out waiting to get caught on something. I even prefer the 20rd magazines for my AK. Hate that thing sticking way out under the gun. I dont need either of these weapons but given a gift choice I would choose the pump.
is that a challenge?
Damn good point. There's been a few times when I have seen people go to the range or hunting and forget their mags. You won't have that problem with a tube fed gun.
Paul often says in his videos that “you are going to have to listen to me talk for awhile”. But that is the beauty of his videos. His “talking” is cram packed with substance, not small talk or anecdotes, just solid information. Shooting is done to illustrate a point. I am not sure why I need to spend my time watching other reviewers shoot one or two hundred rounds through a firearm. Paul’s videos are always excellent and worth the time to watch. He is definitely one of the best firearm reviewers on the internet.
One advantage of a tube magazine I never see mentioned is that they can't be lost.
And the magazine add a lot of cost.
I trained and instructed on the 590 extensively in my Navy days. Still love it.
Go with what you know.
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great info. I need to do a video on a similar subject but focused on tube fed auto loaders---good reminder
When you do please send me a link.
Was this video ever done? I have a mossberg 930 JM pro series, considering picking up a mossberg 590A1.
@@silasbelcher3788 I own a 90's production 590 SP/Tactical. Standard wall 20" barrel with heat shield and ghost ring sight. 8+1 capacity. This is my go to home defense gun and after installing a Magpul Stock and replacing the factory polymer trigger assembly with a metal I'd trust this gun anywhere, anytime. To say that I have a love affair with this shotgun would be an understatement. 'She' is my girlfriend. I find the 590 to be an uber dependable firearm as well as being accurate past 50 yards with rifled slugs. With a 3" inch chamber you have the choice of using 2 3/4" shotshells as well. The tang safety is ergonomic allowing one to engage and disengage the safety without changing your shooting hand position and the large front blade with the dayglo orange on the back of the blade draws the eye quickly. For me the 590 SP was the perfect choice. I'm sure that the 590 A1 with the added durability of a heavy wall barrel would be a no brainer.
@@topturretgunner tang safety is a draw back for me as it makes you break your thumb grip to actuate the safety. Also would not work with my benelli m4 that has a pistol grip. Cross bolt safety with training can be faster imo as I disengage the safety with my inner trigger finger knuckle as my trigger finger goes into the trigger guard to fire. I than reengage the safety with my thumb while still holding the pistol grip. I do have big hands which might help this technique.
@@DailyDoseOfCanada Understood. For me a guy with small hands the tang safety on the Mossberg 500 series guns were just more intuitive. I've owned a Benelli back in the day and it was a good shotgun as well.
The old Mossberg 590 military version I had, had a 9 shot mag a bayonet lug and in the butt on each side had a ammunition holder that held 2 rounds each for a total of 4 rounds. Great for storing slugs or different ammo than what you thought you would need!! I absolutely loved that gun, it had a heat shield and my bayonet (sorry "fighting knife") did fit on the end of this gun. I was in the Australian Infantry and we used the Buck fighting knife. It go to around the Geneva convention because it (had a blood groove, it was sharp, it had a serrated edge) was a "Fighting Knife" not a bayonet, that just happened to be able to be attached to the end of our rifles!! Plus in conjunction with the scabbard could be used as a wire cutter!!
What did I learn???? Paul can cycle a pump faster than even the Benelli m4 can cycle. Once again I'm impressed.
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I admire your mastery of a pump action. Must train to reach that level.
I really love his quiet, understated sense of humor.
I have to say, these are by far the most educational practical gun videos on YT. I'm a proponent of shotguns for home defense and this video helps me get my head around the idea of pump vs semi-auto. We see lots of vids talking about quick-loading automatics and tactical this and that, but the idea that the average civilian-involved self defense shooting involves only one shot is never mentioned.
Thank you Paul, this helps a lot of people, usually older, who realize these are scary times we live in. Basic shotguns for home defense is an important topic. Take care, Michael McIntyre
Don't worry, it'll get a lot worse.
EDIT: just realized I was replying to a comment that was 2 years old. Sorry
@@aceman1126 to be fair... it has gotten worse and it will continue to for a while yet.
@@Tomvi9193 yeah man. It's a damn shame. But God is faithful. Keep your powder dry and God bless you.
2023. Oh its just getting started.
Woohoo my Thursday installment of Paul Harrel. Best part of Thursday besides the fact tomorrow is Friday!
Thursday used to just be Fridays ugly sister, now its Paul Harrell day!
Amen to that
The best part about Paul's video's is he isn't biased. He provides the positives and negatives about any platform.
I don't shoot slugs I just let them crawl away
Send your wife into the garden wearing her stiletto pumps and she can skewer them on the heels :-)
If I loaded rock salt and a 1 oz rifled slug into a shell. Would it come out melted?
: Jak : if a slug is in a shell it's called a snail.
ILeftRules lol nice one
ILeftRules less I misunderstood it sounds like you want to punish the perpetrator with corrective incentives by letting him Crawl away in pain, the problems with that is with our liberal court system to day if there's to sides of the story u'll probably get the short end of the stick, so do urself a faver & just make sure there's only one side, ur's.
You have a talent for putting things in the correct perspective, Paul. Thanks! I just bought a VR-60, and it's good to know its true situational limitations
Always a good day when Paul Harrell uploads a video.
Select slug drill was very much part of the training when I did security almost 2 decades ago.
It was a facility with dangerous animals and obviously buckshot would be ideal for anti personnel purposes but for lions and tigers and bears(oh my) you would obviously want a slug, and if there was an escaped venomous snake you may even want birdshot
Always fond of a new Harrell video in my feed. I would be even happier to see more testing on .223/5.56 ammunition, if that ever made its way to the docket. Thanks again for all you do!
I agree!
It’s kinda neat stuff for sure. I’m honestly more interested in shotguns for home protection but my situation is more of farmyard pests not two legged idiots. .223/5.56 is definitely up my alley, at least just for the infotainment factor as well as hobby use. Really anything is fine by me and since he has done loads of shotgun videos including the much maligned Judge I’m definitely down for it. Cast me into you vote as well, sounds great. (Odd weights and materials ideally since 55gr and m855 has been beat like a dead horse, and I just picked up 5,000rds of 62gr Barnaul steel cased for competition since my gun shoots them quite well for the money.)
John-Paul Silke : I'm definitely a 5.56 fan. Depends on your barrel. If you have a 1 in 7 or 8 twist rate barrel, try a heavier projectile, maybe 69 or 77gr. My 1/7 BCM LOVES 69gr. Scenar projectiles. Just a hair slower, but Accuracy and BC are top-notch !! Expensive, but, on the other end, ARE capable of being reloaded 10 times (as Lapua advertises?). Don't know about that yet. Will report about brass life later.
Well I have a Type97 bullpup with a 1:7 twist and I does like the heavy stuff. I also have a Ruger Precision but that gets a diet of hand loaded accubonds. The T97 eats brass and was actually designed for steel ammo and is really a halfway disposable rifle so I won’t bother getting to fancy with it.
I read somewhere that SWAT teams switched to .223/5.56 because the bullet was actually *less* likely to go through drywall than one shot through a 9mm carbine. (Basically, because of the .223/5.56's tendency to "tumble" post-impact.) Of course, I have no idea if this is all bullshit or not... sounds like a perfect hypothesis for Paul to test :-D
I’m a 44 year old man. When I was a kid I would have a great sense of anticipation a few weeks out from Christmas or my birthday. Now I check RUclips every day for a new Paul Harrell video. Not as cool as a new bike when you’re 9, but I get to do it every week.
A good, common-sense examination of the pros and cons of each, sans hype or dogma. Well done, as usual Paul.
Never had any training with my Mossberg Pump action but having watched Paul I have now learned that I should practice "pullrack" and "no look", eyes on target, top off loading.
Paul, yet another Interesting video. As a kid, I actually hunted with an old Mossberg Bolt Action 12 gauge and my Game Warden Uncle taught me how to handle it...wish I still had both. I have never owned an auto loader and currently use a pump action. Thanks!
The VR60 is the most unusual appearing shotgun I've ever seen. Thanks for the real life demonstrations, Mr. Harrell.
Hi Paul - Thanks for yet another excellent - in every aspect - video, which again causes me to thinks and to learn. Whether for home defense, in a waterfowl blind, or in a tree stand, I’ll stick with my (pump/slide action) Remington 870. For decades, it has proven to be simple, accurate, reliable, durable and highly adaptable for many differing missions. With thousands of shells fired, I’ve had zero weapon-related failures and - put very simply - the darn thing works flawlessly and consistently. I’d sheepishly offer a strong endorsement to one of your major points. Specifically, I cannot imagine a citizen-involved shotgun defensive scenario that would require even five shots to be resolved; I suppose it’s possible, but I’d respectfully suggest one is more likely to be struck by lightning on the same day that he wins the Irish Sweepstakes. BZ on another superb teaching video.
I'm in agreement on feeling more confident with a pump shotgun. My personal preference is a Mossberg 500 and 535, but the Remington 870 is an excellent choice also. As you mentioned, time and rounds fired to allow for complete familiarity and confidence with one's choice of weapon is of prime importance. Know your weapon.
I enjoy the varied scenery in your videos Paul. Pretty country.
A new video from Paul......my day just got a whole lot better!!!
Man, Paul was such a badass. I'm sad I never met him. Rest in peace, you Shatner-esque legend. 🫡
I have never seen a video where he hasnt touched all the bases regarding Q and A that might come up. Every video is informative and to the point. Thanks for a great channel.
I was very fortunate that Louis Awerbuck came on a regular basis to the area where I live. I probably took about 15 classes from him including his shotgun. The only real advantage he thought a semiauto shotgun had was one handed operation. One handed operation could be important when having a family that you need to direct with your other hand.
As for me, I settled for a Mossberg 590A1 for home defense. I belong to a trap league and shoot weekly (likely 40 weeks a year) with a Mossberg 500. For what it's worth, I think I have now gone about 2,500 to 3,000 rounds without cleaning my Mossberg 500. I have done this on purpose just to see how I could go without cleaning it before there was an issue. I've got a good friend who has taken many shotgun classes with me. He runs a Benelli M4. It is utterly reliable and he is very skilled in running it. At about 300 rounds the Benelli needs to be cleaned.
Just sharing what Info I have on the two platforms. Choose what you want and practice with it a lot is probably the most important thing.
One of the best instructors I ever had the pleasure of learning from. RIP
I am a huge fan of the Mossberg 590A1. It is my personal choice. I must admit though, I've never had any malfunctions from any pump action shotgun. It remains my favorite platform for most of my needs. Thanks for a great video.
Always to the point, no BS, instructive, never boring and very convincing. Thanks, Paul, for this video (and all the others).
“..., and no one can decide what’s right for you, except you.” - Paul Harrell @ 13:03
Cant decide if that statement is right for me.
Most common sense gun videos and gun guy I’ve seen on RUclips
VERY informative and enlightening. I thought I was aware of the pros and cons of each but this video brought a number of situations to the surface that I had never considered.
Thank you!
I bet the grocery store missed you this week. They can usually count on you to buy up a lot of their pork and fruit.
And soda jugs
Yes, I'm sure Costco and Jo-Ann Fabrics are also worried. The fleece rolls might be building up. Of course, I didn't mean worried about Paul as no one needs to worry about him, except Chuck Norris. Chuck needs to be very worried, and I'm sure he knows it.
Yes, without seeing the meat target comparison how will we know which shotgun was superior.
don't forget the beef, its whats for dinner!
And jugs of course
I love the sound of shell being push into the tube and that combat reload... so slick it gave me chills
I'll admit that I favor an autoloader like a Mossberg 930 since I can't work a slide during recoil like a boss the way Paul Harrell does. One of the best channels on YT for sure.
Definitely one of the most gorgeous, lush areas you've filmed in, Paul! Love it.
Every time Paul uploads it's a good day
I totally enjoyed this video..... I like pump SGs and was tossing and turning on if I should get a semi Auto as it is faster. However, after watching this video, where you dud the transition between targets, I realized the pump is just as fast as a semi-auto once you are not shooting on the same target. Thanks Paul
+1 for the obscure yet correct use of the word 'bailiwick'.
Paul could read the ingredients on a cereal box and make it interesting. BY FAR my favorite channel
The 590A1 is the kind of shotty you smile with pride as you give it to your oldest son. Reliable as a hammer.
This video is one of my faves and one I recommend to shotgun shooters. Helped me fall in love with my 12ga pump.
My first thought when I saw the thumbnail was, "I love the coat, but how'd he manage to get a Mossberg in it's pocket?"
HAHA Me too. I was thinking: yeah he could have the VR mags in his pocket and the gun slung in his game bag but WHERE's he gonna hide the mossy?
LOL
Little known fact, there is a drone inside of the back flap of that jacket.
You just gave the best argument for me to keep my Mossberg 590A1. And, I agree with your bottom line. Thanks.
If I shot at something more than twice with my shotgun; I can still hear my grandfather yelling, "throw the gun at it, boy."
Similar, but all I'd hear is the ringing in my ear after he smacked me upside the head.
U guys wanna go grab some pop tarts!? 😍😍😍😍
thats some cotton hill shit XD
Paul Harrell is my go to channel for everything firearms related. He is one of the best firearms youtube channel's at the moment.
Paul Harrell is always informative, and covers the topics we all want to know more about.
Beware of the auto loading magazine types of shotguns: they can jam and not feed correctly; my experience with the Catamount Fury with 5 round mags 12 gauge.
I bought the Mossberg 590 as my first shotgun, thanks for your hard work on these prestation Paul
The mag-fed shotgun isn't going to shift its center of gravity as you fire off the rounds, but a tube-fed's c/g will move. Do you think that is an issue?
That is a good point. The tube fed gun will definitely have a different balance after firing a few rounds, especially if you're loaded with something like 15 pellets of 00 buck. But I have never noticed that it made any real difference in handling the gun.
I regularly use a pump and have never noticed the CG shift, but I do notice the weight reduces as I shoot. When supporting the gun with two hands I don't think it matters, if you are J.M. and firing with one hand while running and reloading that long extension tube... maybe it makes a difference.
Jeff...what...the hell, do you think you are doing?! Seriously?!? Just hanging out watching videos on RUclips?!
Get back to work!!
To me the weight hanging sofar blow the shotgun makes it feel awkward. Other then banging the mag into things I haven't noticed any shootability difference though.
E.Looney You see that guy’s arms? I don’t think it bothers him either lmao
I just found Paul's channel, I'm hooked on his style of gun common sense!
I’ll most definitely keep my pump action bias. Thank you sir for one great presentation as always. Your work continues to go above and beyond.
Man...I love your videos. It's like a wikipedia but for AGS (all gun stuff). Highly highly informative content yet no burning lines here either cool fun way to present valuable information. All the best to you, you're one great human being.
I believe a vr60 will be my Christmas gift to myself this year!!
Paul Harrell... I think you are one of the best channels out there and should be the leading gun channels on youtube. Thank you for you knowledge,
Great presentation as always Paul! I think I’ll stick with my 590A1 and my Shockwave, unless of course I stumble across an extra $1,600 for a Benelli M4.....
Agreed.😂
I've heard some less than great things about the imported Benelli M4's. I've heard numerous people complain about reliability, as well as the relative low capacity (required due to importation laws). I'll stick with my old Mossberg 500 with 20" barrel and 7+1 tube.
Benelli’s are fantastic but suffer from the price being so high that every hiccup burns deep into your memory.
Kratos : Roger that..... at least with my 500. I can't even afford to pay attention, much less get an M4
I agree with all you guys, but I hadn’t heard or seen of any reliability issues on the older M4’s. Is it a quality control problem on the newly made M4’s maybe? That’s why I’m perfectly happy with my 590A1!! Anyone tried the new “magazine fed” Mossberg’s yet?
I’m glad to have found this video. So many people I talk to claim autos to be superior to pump shotguns. I assume they are biased because they think the auto is more cool. I have been trying to learn as much as possible about this topic for about a year now, since deciding to get a shotgun. My shoulder was injured around the same time and it took forever to get the surgery done, so I put the shotgun on hold until my shoulder is completely healed. If it was in my possession, I know darn well I’d shoot it. So, I decided to spend some time learning in order to make a good decision. I have pretty much decided to get a Mossberg 590S, because you don’t need an adaptor to run 1.75 inch shells through it. I want one that is as versatile as possible for home defense/ bugout survival. I was worried that I was making the wrong decision, and should get an auto instead, but I don’t like the accidental double shots I get with my CZ 75B 9mm. I’m not sure why it happens, but it makes me hesitant about using it in real world situations. You have cemented my decision on the pump shotgun and I thank you very much. I feel at ease with my decision now. I am a rookie in the world of guns, but I will improve. I spent about a week on the tractor putting berms up and building a small range for myself on the back of our property. It’s only a one hundred yard and under range, but I think it should be adequate for me. (Way out in the country with no neighbors within a couple of miles, so it is safe). Thank you for the informative video and bless you for helping me in my endeavor.
I like those tube mags myself-I find the detachable mags, especially the larger capacity ones, get in the way of comfortable carry and traditional sling carry.
The solution for jurisdictions that prohibit loaded weapons is not a detachable magazine, it’s moving.
May Paul live on forever thru these videos
It’s scary that people like this guy exist. Friendly, honest, unassuming, and could slay you with a pump shotty at 30yrds before you could blink. 😂
I've owned both and will always choose the pump over the auto loader. They are much more reliable and have more than enough fire power for any situation I could come up against. I just don't enjoy taking my pump apart to clean it like some of my other weapons. Would be great if you did a video on cleaning a pump shotgun (maybe I could learn something)
Mr. Harrell, another spot on video!
I believe that a pump shotgun is the best for home defense. Proper training is a must to get the most out of a shotgun, as they are so versatile.
My auto loader that I use for hunting and skeet shooting stays relatively reliable, provided you keep the ammo consistent. I only shoot federal thru it. I rarely have an issue at the skeet range, and the most common jam when hunting is remedied by pulling the charging handle back. That being said the vintage Remington 870 I bought earlier this year has never had an issue yet. I like both, the auto loader with heavy hunting ammo is faster to get back on target but the ole 870 is there when I need flawless function.
I own both a Mossberg 590A1 and a Remington 11-87 semiautomatic shotgun (and love them both!!). I trained with the former in the USMC and use it for home defense for years. I eventually bought the latter as a bird gun. When I first took the Remington to the trap and skeet range, I had three misfeeds in the course of shooting four rounds of trap. These were of course light loads (#7 1/2 and #8 birdshot). I figured out the misfeeds occurred because I wasn't keeping the shotgun tight in the shoulder and giving the recoiling weapon enough resistance to allow the semiautonomous system to work its magic. On a lark, I decided to run an informal test on the reliability of my Remington 11-87. I bought 100 rounds of Remington 2 3/4 inch, 12 gauge 00 buck loads and went to a local range with the Remington. I fired all 100 rounds and the Remington cycled properly every single time; there was no one misfeed. Best part was my shoulder didn't feel sore; at most, a little tightness the next morning but not enough that I didn't go trap shooting that day. I've noticed that if the Remington is clean and I remember to keep it firmly in my shoulder, I also do not experience misfeeds with light loads. Put another way, I think both are great firearms for home defense.
As always, another great video by Paul Harrell. You always give me much food for thought on these matters and I thank you!!
If only Paul Harrel wasnt perfect then we could have a blooper reel... Maybe he could fake a mistake and pass it off as a blooper?
Somehow, a vid w/ Paul shooting, and Bennie Hill playing in the background, would be somewhat incongruous! Now if you're talking about YM and Bennie Hill.... I could definitely see that.
Paul will have a blooper reel when chuck norris cries :)
Perhaps he could have Chuck Norris put on one of his jackets to shoot a set of bloopers clips for him?
He would do that just to make us mere mortals feel good about ourselves.
Hopefully, none of the noise you hear in the background will be gunfire.
Yah, I used to live in a City like that too.
30 seconds in and I can tell this is going to be a great video. Thanks for the video Paul!
You brought up several aspects that I had not even considered. I appreciate that.
As usual, and demonstrated so well by Paul, training is the most important factor. However, I find it curious that many of the knocks on magazine shotguns (mag too long, in the way, unwieldy, may be forgotten, etc.), never seem to get applied to sporting AR and AK platforms. I just don’t see many users advocating replacing mag fed AR's with lever action rifles.
Thank you ,Paul for all you brought to us.
Best time of the week, for sure!
Great video!
I have shot both pump and auto for years, recently got break barrel as well. I love each of them for their own quirks and benefits.
590a1 is my go to. It's damn near impossible to have a misfire that prevents the next round from going bang and that's the most important thing for me with that platform.
I'll take one of each
Great stuff on your channel !! THANKS.
yes!
Your channel is my favorite RUclips gun channel. Your videos are always very informative without trying to persuade people to your political point of view. it's very refreshing. I love that you give the pros and cons to everything you demonstrate and break them down to different situations so that people can make their own informed decisions.
I do have one question. Where can I get a jacket like yours? I want one.
I've learned a lot from this guy. Good video as usual.
What you get from Paul Harrell video: Articulate, concise, to the point, and unbiased to the max, while portraying cons and pros of all firearms.! TOP GUN CHANNEL on RUclips.!!
The best answer is always, "It depends " :)
Fantastic comparison. You go thru a lot of effort to be fair to every realistic scenario and the results are not always what would be expected, but always accurate and thoughtful. Glad I found this channel.
Greatest channel ever.
I sure miss Paul. I find reasons to go back and watch these videos.
One video I would love to see Paul cover, and forgive me if it has already been covered-but i'd like to see a video specifically about home defense putting the AR-15 against a pump action shotgun. Literally everyone I know and their friend prefer the AR-15 for that purpose, and i'm the odd man out that prefers a pump action shotgun.
I'm a Double odd man out...I prefer a pump scattergun AND I own nothing but Revolvers! Just call me Ol' S'cool I guess....
There's a bit about it in one of the older videos, maybe "Shotguns don't suck for home defense," but I would also like to see an updated version. What would be really neat would be shotgun versus ar versus pistol for home defense video.
@@clukinvar
For the Average Joe, it's My Opinion that the shotgun would improve the overall probability of a hit on target. Most would be Hard pressed to hit a moving target in the dark, which would in most cases probably be the scenario they would find themselves in.
@Eric da' MAJ
I couldn't agree more! Plus the shotgun is just one of the most Versatile firearms you can own, it can serve so many purposes. 👍
I like the idea of an AR or high capacity pcc for home defense, but shotguns are still a great choice.
I really doubt that multiple home invaders are going to hang around once the buck shot starts flying.
It really is a crime that Paul only has 194k sub's. Such an excellent channel.
Hey Paul there’s not much info about 7.62 tokarev hollowpoints. If you could find one that worked well I think you’d be the first one on RUclips to show it. I think it’s worth checking out.
+Bowen Creer Wolf Gold was the only ones worth a damn for a while, but they discontinued them. The PPU stuff is worthless and unless you are hand loading, you wont find much else.
Funny, I was thinking about that the other day. Also the 9x18 Mak hollow points which aren't Hornady or whatever. Just some curiosity on my part to see how the cheap ammunition actually fares.
+James Torson The best "cheap" JHP for Mak's would be the Silver Bear stuff. It actually expands most the time, gets decent penetration as well. The PPU stuff wont open up reliably or consistently, and most other JHP's tested are about the same. Although, I believe Speer is now loading Gold Dots in Mak, so that should be a great option.
+Rifle Shooter Channel Reed's ammo is horrbly over price, under performs, and is a company not worth doing business with. They under load nearly everything, charge way too much for it, cant quote you shipping costs until you contact THEM instead of it being on their site.
Tons of videos out there on there ammo showing it's hot garbage. Yet, they are still around.
It's a moot point to me, seeing as I live in the UK, but I appreciate the response. It's interesting from an academic point to me, to understand the terminal effects of different bullet designs. Sometimes I wish I lived elsewhere, that's for sure.
ALWAYS the best info coupled with the best skills. I have never seen a Paul Harrell vid I didn't like or find useful! Thanks!!
I was out of trap and skeet shooting by the time the inertia powered Bennelli's were getting popular, so i can't really speak to their reliability. But, I can say that most gas powered, Remington style autos required a little more care and maintenance in high round count situations than a pump. Myself, I have fired many thousands of rounds through an A5 Browning in the field or at the range and very rarely had a malfunction. Love or hate a hump gun, they are exceedingly reliable.
Have been around alot of the bottom of the barrel autos and tacticool autos. Seems they have alot of issues with cycling. Have a hump back and a 48 rem.have very little trouble with them.
Have a few modern autos win sx3, sx4, browning gold , and a SBE3. All function flawlessly in the field. You get what you pay for with auto shotguns. $100-150 pump shotguns work very well.
So if I wasnt a hunter or clay shooter and just needed a defense shotgun it would be a pump or sxs.
Smart, intelligent, thorough but to the point. Thanks for answering my obvious questions and for the guidance. Paul's the BEST!
Love this guy.
As usual "spot on"! Paul always puts what is important on point and never adds extraneous bs to complicate the issue! Best gun channel on yt.
Very calming and relaxing video. It could be improved by adding phrases like "happy little clouds" and such.
The most beautiful backgrounds of any gun channel!
Pretty much gonna stay with the Mossberg because it's what I know
Thanks again Paul for sharing your experience and common sense. As a rule, simple is better and more open to options.
I would personally love to see your opinion on rifle-caliber pistols and how they'd compare to standard pistols and standard rifles. I've always wanted to compare the three but have never had access to them all at the same time.
Paul Harrell you are the man. Thank you so much for all your helpful videos. They truly change the was we think. Also help us look at everything in a different light. Truly appreciated
These's something very cool about pump action shotguns. If you can't clean up a problem with a few shots you only have yourself to blame. Shotguns are the ultimate home defence tool.
Another great and informative video. I'm considering purchasing a VR60.
Thank you, Paul.
Also, a beautiful location.
Kinda sounds like using a semi-auto shotgun that uses a tube magazine is a great compromise.
Like a Tale of Two Shotties... it was the best of both guns, it was the worst of both guns...
There are still some issues with reliability, but I'm not going to knock anyone that prefers one for home defense. I just personally feel more comfortable with the manual slide action if my family's life depends on it.
I inherited a Remington 1148 that hung over the wall of the family farm house as long as I can remember. 16 gauge used for decoration. I have taken it out for nostalgia sake a few times; runs like a champ.....a Mossberg 500 I bought for $120 sits by the bed though. The 1148 is in the safe.
Great video. This was exactly the advice I sought. Well presented, demonstrated, and portrayed.
I sold my 590 a1 when I was hard up for money, worst mistake I've ever made.......and I have four kids.
I saw them on sale recently, you should go correct your mistake.
Picked up one yesterday.
Vladislavs Dovgalecs where did you buy it?
I have a friend that owns four guns but have no kids. I think you are happier.
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