Why the Log Gaps? Chinked vs Scribed- Ep40- Outsider Log Cabin
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- My dad and I have been on a journey to build our own log cabin. This series of videos is a 'behind-the-scenes' look of our bigger "Log Cabin on a Budget" series.
In this episode: I explain my decision to leave gaps between the log courses on the log cabin. I discuss the drawbacks and benefits of building a chinked cabin verses a scribed one. I also retrieve some cedar logs and bring them to the build site to debark.
"Log Cabin on a Budget" series:
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My family and I built our cabin by hand back in 73. We didn't have power tools in those days and everything had to be done by axe hand saws and hammers. The cabin was quite large in those days. It was 2 stories high and about 28 x 28 in dimensions. The lot was 70 x 140 and fully treed. We had to clear it by hand. All supplies were taken to the site via a 1971 station wagon with no air conditioning. The cabin was 70 miles away from our city. I watch these videos and it brings back memories of our time together building our cabin. I can almost smell the trees and freshly turned earth. The other smells I remember most are coffee boiling on the fire.....the smell of musky canvas from the tents we slept in during construction and the wild flowers.
On behalf of the people of youtube, we appreciate the honesty, and also the time involved in setting the camera up 600 freakin' times........
I was thinking that about the camera too!
I see that you understand my pain. lol Yes, moving the camera around as much as I do can become tiring, but I believe it's worth it to document the journey. Thank you very much for simply appreciating the effort. :)
yes, you are right
glenn goodale YES! Indeed!
I appreciate the effort as well, but from a different point of view, spending 4 minutes to show how someone drives a tractor, hangs two logs from the back of it and takes them to the working area... maybe it's a bit too long if there's nothing particularly different from what anyone else in that situation would do or without any further explanation that makes the images "some company".
New subscriber from Bulgaria, Eastern Europe, here. A workaholic, suffering insomnia. My dad was a carpenter and I find all these sounds so very soothing to listen to. I have just recently came across this channel and I can tell this helps me with my sleep. My thoughts are with your wife and your family. Keep the spirit up
To me, the most beautiful part of all of this, more so than the landscapes and the work you've done, is the relationship you have with your dad. It is clear that you two are very close and that is awesome. I lost my dad in 2003 and I wish everyday since that we had spent more time doing things like this that we would have both enjoyed. Don't let that pass by un-noticed, you won't get it back. You guys are doing great things sir...I will continue to watch, and wish you good luck and fair skies.
Amazing how skillful and humble you are both father n son congrats keep it up 👍 🍀
I'm enjoying the documentation of building a log cabin from scratch. This is probably very similar to how my ancestors built their first shelters in Western N.Y. State. Having been involved in agricultural museums for many years I have often used the lesson that understanding what these people were able to accomplish gives me a better understanding of my own potential. Thank You Outsider.
I miss the great North Eastern American forests. It always a treat to watch your heartfelt labours surrounded by this great forest.
You are an incredible, thoughtful young man, what you are building is truly amazing. Your family must be very proud of you and I thank them for instilling these values within you. In this busy world you are truely a breath of fresh air. I wish you and your family many joyous and peaceful times in this place. 🙏❤️👍✌️
1 tip from someone who rigs. When choking a sling with a shackle make sure to have to pin in the non moving part of the sling (aka eye). It will save ya and future hassle of the load tightening the shackle to the point of no return.
Love the videos man!
Dude you are the man can't believe the dedication you have for this project. I'm such slacker with un finished projects I couldn't keep up.your dedication is just simply inspiring to watch. Would like to see more of the home life of what you do in the winter with a new baby and the wife.do they freak out you being in the woods cutting trees. Anyway man keep up the good work now I'm going to work on my camp in Louisiana Thanks to you in keeping up with it .you truly inspired me to work hard on the weekend after working hard all week. thank you again brother
I know I said it before but your narration is great. Your tone is calming and stirs our imagination. You educate us with great facts as we follow on your tour. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE GREAT WORK YOU DO. 😋😎
He is also a very strong Hombre! Moving 600 pound logs like a 4 X 4.
As a guy who has done this journey him self, and taken many years to finish, I am really glad to see the ppe's especially chaps and hearing protection! you have something there to really be proud of and have learned SO much. congrats sir.... Now about that hair cut!
You got my credit! You are an hard working smart man.Just keep going!
I had no idea that trees had such different amounts of tapering. That's fascinating. And I totally respect your desire to harvest as few trees as possible for the build.
I wish I could spend time like that with my dad. In the military for 14 years kinda puts a hold on activities like this with dad. Good work bro.
I'm sorry to hear that your dad had to be away so long. Hopefully you've had time since then to mend things.
The Outsider, I’m the on in the military. Me and my dad are good. It’s just the distance between us. Not possible to hangout like you and your dad.
Gotcha. Well in that case, thank you sir for your service.
Thanks for the excellent explanation. I love watching the logs being cut, hauled and peeled. A very necessary step.
Man this guys videos are really cool. This is what life should be about, enjoying the outdoors with your old man, building a very very cool cabin. I am so envious (in a good way). I wish my dad was still around and we got to spend time like this together. Priceless. I love watching your channel. Thank you for sharing.
The best log cabin that can ever be made, is one crafted as a reflection of the forest that it has grown from.
There is nothing but truth in that statement. Thank you and your Dad for staying the course and keeping close to nature. You are a wise man, young man.
The Outsider - what’s the dimension of your cabin?
I'm one of the people who asked about the gaps between the logs. Thank you for answering my question!
NO> The best cabin built is one by Shawn James of My Self Reliance. He built his cabin and his out building by himself using hand tools and a chain saw.. Yours doesn't compare with his. And HE didn't have a tractor.
If you want to see a REAL Man building a log cabin see My Self Reliance.
Katherine McChesney Wow. I watch both channels. The Outsider's cabin is shaping up to be just as lovely. I don't think Shawn James would second your comment. He has explained that his decision not to use power tools is a personal one and respects hard work done well, which is what The Outsider is doing.
I don't think he was saying anyone's cabin is better or worse. The statement above is a philosophy put into words, that's all. It would be silly to make or put a redwood log cabin in a cedar forest. A log cabin that is made from the trees that grow in its home, as both he and MSR have done, is better.
your father and you are doing a great job, brings me great pleasure to watch your videos. very inspirational. keep the great vids coming.
Enjoyable to watch. Thanks again for sharing your journey with all of us. Be safe.
I appreciate your views and reasoning based solely on your perspective. No google-science, no fan-boy parroting of what "everyone else" is doing or thinking and no phony science based on theory and conjecture. Why you chose to go with chinking is purely a matter from your own view and perspective. THAT'S a true "opinion" that I can respect. It doesn't make it right or wrong, just yours. I'm always encouraged to know that there are younger folks who don't feel the overwhelming need to spend all their energy trying to convince everyone else that their ways and views and opinions are the right ones. From my experience, I find that rare from a Christian. You do your faith well. Thank you for your example and for inviting us all along on where your path takes you...
I can only imagine how Awesome that log cabin and your sawmill smells with that eastern white cedar! I love the smell of that wood! The project is looking great!
You published this on my B-Day last year...I wanted to point out around 5:00 where you talk about chinked log cabins. I am building a Georgian style home. This is how B.Allan Mackie referred to this style, noting that it was created around the Georgian Bay area, however the one you have pictured is not Georgian style. The Georgian style used much larger logs, Mackie noted how only 6-8 rows were needed to make wall height. What I wanted to point out is that the half dovetail is actually key in those homes surviving. The half dovetail joint sheds water away from the joinery on both sides, what is the magical part since water rots wood. My shell does have logs with the sides cut off, and this is also another good point on the Georgian style homes. This does not just cut wood away on the log, this creates a flat surface so that the water can't seep into the checks. When you have a round log and get checks on the upward facing portion of the log, water will be trapped inside the check and create rot over time. For that reason it is advisable to seal checks to prevent such damage. Flat walls don't allow the water to seep into the checks, which are on a vertical surface. This is key to why the dovetail homes endured over time as well. As far as chinking vs. scribe...it is said that even if you scribe you may still end up chinking/caulking over time as gaps will form and air/water may get in. In that regard chinking from the start is not a bad idea.
I want to emphasize that I am no log building expert and only building my first home. The above is how I understand the different styles. I love the look of round log, but there is something to be said for flat walls, especially inside, but outside helps prevent water buildup and rot as well. A flat wall is a win-win, IMO. Aesthetically, round logs win my eye. The style however is not important, some people will build a scribed home, some will build chinked, others will build cord style, or stockade, there are many styles...what is important to remember is that the best log home is the one you build yourself, the one that is Owner-Built! 😉 (Yours looks amazing!)
EDIT: PS, don't forget to plant a tree for your Mom!👍
EXCELLENT CHANNEL !!!!! Anytime the Outsider shows up, its a GREAT DAY !!
My grandparents home in Pa. was chinked. The logs were hidden for decades. In the late 70s my uncle remodeled the living room, exposing the long forgotten logs.
That must have been a beautiful find. ...It's funny. All the pioneers wanted to do was cover their logs up, once they could afford to do so. Nowadays, people are willing to pay top dollar to have a log cabin of their own.
Yes it was. My uncle left them exposed in the livingroom . He put a varnish or urethane on them with plaster in between them.
Lookin forward to more vids! 👍
So I just found this series earlier this morning. There went a Saturday morning... Nice work, and much respect to your dad for being an involved, hands on helper, count yourself fortunate. I look forward to seeing it completed.
Beautiful, well done videos. Clarity and diction of narrative rivals that of best professionals.
I'm honored. Thank you.
The credit is yours, and your dads. The hard work and clear thought are obvious. That splendid speaking voice struck me from the first video of yours I watched ; a rare gift that enhances your video talent. To not point it out just seemed to me ungrateful for the pleasure received.
Dude, that little crane/lift for the tractor is the bomb. Love that thing! Nice work!
I always learn something new from your videos. Your style of narrating makes the videos informative and relaxing to watch. Looking forward to the future of your cabin construction.
Thank you!
Cant wait to see you all get it done so you can enjoy using it.
Quel travail vous faire. Bravo; that is a great work that you are doing with your father. All the best on your project that we are following from Switzerland.
I just loved He ride on your tractor . . It was very surreal. I bumped left to right when you did. Nice to see ur floors are in. Couldn’t see on the video. I agree with ur opinion on how you are doing ur build.
Although I haven’t read all comments I would like to say I am glad on how he operates that tractor most younger kids( not saying his a kid by any means) seam to think the tractor has to be wide open on the throttle all the time glad to see that not all feel this way . Great looking cabin.
Nooooo!!!! I don't want it to be over. I could watch your videos for hours. Your videography is amazing and
so is your cabin. I can't wait until you have your first Thanksgiving dinner in it. Thank you so much for sharing
this journey with us. God Bless my friend.
I can't wait for that day either! It's coming though.
more then one way to skin a cat and i think you did a great job explaining the reasons behind how you are doing things. Us armchair log home builders are quick to call out issues even though we have never been there or done that.
Cheers and keep the cabin video's coming!!
Adam Craig Outdoors you are right.
This is like a cabin building asmr video. Relaxing and informative thanks for the video! 👍🏼😁
Had to come back and watch some old episodes again. 😊
I really found your reasoning for using a chinking method of construction very interesting and informative. Personally I like the look of the chinked style.Every time I watch one of your videos I want to go camping.I find the woods the most relaxing place on earth. Thanks for a great video.
Very well explained, thank you. It's all hard work no matter how much you love logs 🇦🇺
Excellent as usual. Been looking forward to have the episode droped!
I am very much enjoying this series TY for sharing. and thank you for addressing this. I had questioned why to myself also thinking you would just have the extra step of chinking. But your explanation was perfectly understandable. It tells alot about your thought process and pre planning.
Great work man!! Keep it up. Cant wait to see the result.
But the reason i write a comment is to give a shout out to your dad.
Please tell him big thumbs up from Norway.
Thank you and will do!
Glad you explained why you're using the large gap style - Makes sense - We're in a woods by a lake in Central ON with mostly cedars, poplars, oak and maple around us - Far too old to build now, but sure do enjoy watching your progress - Thanks for sharing...
Eastern White Cedar here in New Brunswick as well. I never considered how they taper more than other trees. Always planned on using a seamless scribe technique, glad I watched this video. Thanks for sharing.
Neat about the peeling logs. I remember as a kid peeling logs for some project my Dad had us doing... I can't remember now but it took a long time to get these logs all peeled and I do remember at certain times they peeled super easy & other times you couldn't grind the bark off. Interesting for sure!
Thank you for the chinking explanation I have seen a few cabins built some with chinking and some without but never considered why. Continue to be vigilant and careful those logs are unforgiving and heavy.
Awesome work! My dad and I built using the chinking method, it's tight and frankly makes everything way easier. You couldn't afford to get exact measurements in the 1800s, had to build it and warm your family.
I cringed a bit though when you knelt down by that hung tree. I've seen people taken by surprise before because the tree decided to roll or kick.
Anyone who's narrowly escaped an uncooperative tree fall or a barber chair would understand. Scary power behind 10000lbs of falling wood.
I cringed too. Ba shame to be injured or worse lose your life on a project as amazing as this.
Great to see you back out in the woods working on your cabin! Please inform RUclips they are not sending out notifications!
a wonderful explanation. i always considered why you stuck with the gaps, and you never fail to educate and add perspective to the strength and limitations of your chosen building material. also, your maneuvering with that tractor is really on point, as you make swinging those logs into storage look easy, bravo. where do you find the patience to capture all those camera angles? what a man.
Thanks Roger! Sometimes filming can feel like a pretty big nuisance because it often breaks the momentum of whatever I'm doing. But I do love filming and I think it's important to document everything I'm doing for posterity. So I consider it with worthwhile.
That Massey Ferguson 35 is a great tractor. Simple, efficient and tough. Great series of videos!
your videos are a pleasure to watch
Wow. Very informative. So glad you have included this explanation
Tip: Use a Drawknife to debark your logs. It’s still hard work, but it does go a little bit faster.
Thanks, Looking forward to more. So satisfying to watch.
Very cool project young man I like what you and your crew are doing. Nice that you have the help of family.
I agree! Working shoulder to shoulder with my dad on this cabin is a huge blessing.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. Nice footage again again.
Another excellent video, and very enjoyable. Thank you.
I enjoy your videos as well as your recording style utilizing multiple camera locations. Very well done! Stay blest and safe!
Great video i look foward every saturday morning and thank you for the info of the log cheekking its good to see you and your dad workking topether god bless
A tip for the future with your saw. I have one that's around 8 years old and still going strong while I have seen so may people throw them out after the first year or two of using them. After we got our Poulon the saw did great for the first year and a half and then was stored for a couple of months. When I got it out to use again it wouldn't run but about half as good as before and bogged down badly in a cut. I used to work on small engines so I had that as an advantage over others. I knew from the sound of the saw the spark arrestor screen in the exhaust was stopped up. Sure enough I removed the screen and haven't had any farther problems with it. Try that before replacing the carb or tossing the saw as so many folks do.
I love how the tractors front wheels move up and down with the uneven ground, a well thought out design:)
Very glad for the chinked log explanation! I know nothing about this stuff but you made it interesting and informative. ❤
Very interesting. I have really enjoyed your build, so fun to see a young guy with a great attitude and work ethic. Good on you man. Cheers from B.C.
The cabin when finished will be something generations will enjoy and documenting the build just adds to it. You may find yourselves being asked to build cabins for others.
Four of my relatives in the Eganville, ON area have beautiful century old log farm houses like the one you showed....and all the outbuildings are constructed in a similar manner. Thanks for the vid....
Such beautiful logs! Can't beat the smell of fresh cut cedar!!!
1st. THINGZ 1st. .......
NIIIICE TO SEE BACK
THAT INTRO SOUNDZ,
AZ THE AXE HITS THE STUMP.
& THAT SPLINTERING SOUND
OF A TREE BEING FELD.
That's Just Absolutely Perfect 👏🏼....
2nd.
YOU TURNING WITH THE LOGZ
AN THEN BACKING UP TO LAY THEM
PERFECTLY ON THE PILE TO DRY
WITH THE OTHERS WAZ JUST
SIMPLY SOME (SICK) 👈🏼 DRIVING
& MANEUVERING THERE AZ WELL 👏🏼
3rd.
AZ A SUBSCRIBER, I THANK YOU ON
THE SCHOOLING & DIFFERENCE ON
WHY THE GAPS & CHINKING ARE NEEDED
& SO CRUCIAL AZ WELL FOR THE CABIN.
.....AND LAST
I ( LOVE ) YOUR 👈🏼 STYLE OF FALLING
A TREE, WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR CUTS,
THEN USE THE WEDGEZ & THEN THAT
1 SWING HIT, TO CUT THE BARK
@ THE BACK AND IT FALLZ TOO !!!
(ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL) TO WATCH...
[ Until Nxt Time My Friend. ]
( KNUCKLE👊🏽BUMP ) The Outsider
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good to see the tractor is still going good. Can't wait till the next vid, keep up the good work.
I sure like rolling around through the woods with you on the tractor.
Glad to have you roll with me. Although you probably shouldn't ride on the fender anymore, for safety reasons. lol
Mr Outsider, where ya been? Hope all is well and nothing bad has happened. I'll have to put you on the prayer list tonight just in case.
Great quote from Eddie and the Cruisers. "I said different not better. Yoo u want to remember that.
Thanks for sharing and all your hard work!! God bless you and your family 😁
Love your new tractor and add ons.
I had wondered why you were using that method of building myself. Thanks for explaining!
BEEN WAITING FOREVER FOR THIS!!!...YAY!!!
I like the way you put the camera on the tractor while filming; it feels like I am riding along with you : )
Thanks for explaining use of chinking moss, etc. I wondered about that. Good video. 👍
Beautiful explanation
Might be useful for me someday
Thank you! And you never know. Knowledge of power.
very informational video! I've watched a few other videos of yours and loved them too. Just amazing work sir. keep up the great work and amazing videos.
So glad you did this video! Was wondering about the gaps forever :)
man, I do Love this Cedar cabin, nice old scool style, very pleasing structure salute'.
Massey used to be named after brothers Massee from Zeeland a provice in the Netherlands. I used to work at a museum where the big shed was rebuild from the original place at a place there called Goes. They migrated to Canada where they joined up with Fergusson.
Great as ALWAYS! As you walked up to the last tree you were going to cut down..i heard it screaming...not me not me! LOL.
lol
Dittos on the cinematography. I have 87 acres of forest that's too steep to navigate with equipment. Some more flat land would sure be nice.
You’re such an inspiration! Love the values you have. Awesome video!
Awesome episode!! I was literally just wondering this yesterday as i was watching your later vids
You guys are the experts: Which axes should I buy for our farm? We purchased the same chainsaws you guys use and are very happy with them. Please review axes.
8:22 Amen!
The problem with contemporary architecture, if can even call it that, is partly because not of the site, in the site. Look at all those track homes and mobiles across North America. Every time I see a log cabin kit, want to puke as obviously manufactured, especially the concrete "stones".
Then look at the cabin example you showed. The north side is lower than the south because Winter storms come from a northerly direction and helps shelter the inside from the cold, bet if any windows on the north wall minimal and small. In the past, people were part of Nature, now they are separate and lost touch with reality.
I bet I could go on for a while, my apologies if a bit long, was my field of study.
Why do people feel they have to criticize other people's comments? Can't we just enjoy the videos provided to us, read some other viewer's comments and ignore comments we don't like?
Listen to me... I should just ignore the critical comments too!
Actually its cheaper to add a shed to a building. Thus the saltbox came about. Old English business lders favored building these.Later the add on room was incorporated into the house design to make them two rooms deep. They did favor cooler rooms for storage to the north and sunnier rooms to the south.
That makes sense. Though, still had a choice which side to place the shed. ;)
Never thought of a salt box as progression over time originally, thank you for the information.
Most housing is not beautiful because the builder must stick to a rigid budget to keep the dwelling affordable. I can build the most beautiful house in the world, but few can afford it.
Function before form. Function includes environmental and site responsiveness.
If you had a beautiful house with entirely glazed west wall facing the ocean, no overhangs, with uninsulated walls, wouldn't be habitable. Wouldn't matter it was beautiful as couldn't be enjoyed.
Nice video. Thanks for the time and efford you put into your videos. Greetings
Enjoyed all videos so far keep them coming ! There's always keyboard cow boys that know everything or have negative comments one reason why I don't do videos on RUclips of my restoration projects thanks for sharing!! I hope to follow you to the end!!
Love the fact you care about using less trees
Love the moving scenes and shots in general. You have a new subscriber sir. I will go through your videos later one by one
Looking great!
Thanks!
Just asking a question, but you did mention using your mill to plane logs to uniform height. I understand your thought process of not wanting to “waste” wood, but in log cabins, is there such a thing? Anything that isn’t used for building, I assume, would be fuel for a fire and keep the cabin warm?
Then you mentioned about trapping moisture. Could you use a flexible material like moss or something between the logs to allow breathability and minimize air seepage through gaps? I would assume too that the logs would still warp to some degree for a few years, so even milling them would still mean insulating between the logs and a flexible-spongy material mitigates to gaps that would open, as would re-chinking and so forth?
I appreciate you going through some of your decision-making process! Good luck!!
It is not wasted when you mill logs, with a band saw it is easy to make a round and round log, This is a type of d log where it is round on the inside and out side. Then with a circular saw you can make a jig to cut a either a vee ( dual can be done ) or square cut ( this requires removing and making many passes ) on both side and add in some wool rope. With a swing blade you can mill you log in to a single tongue and groove and lay your wool rope between the them... With your log position you mill of the top and then run half a dozen passes about 3 inches deep by 2 inches wide. in the center of the log for the groove, depending on you log size, Example an 10 inch log will turn in to a 8 inch thick round round log, clean out the grove with a hammer or homemade tool, This does not have to be smooth. Flip the log over and mill off the log to 10 inches thick, then cut each side off till you have a 2x2 section in the middle. You want to allow some gap for settling, You place the toungue up and then stuff the groove with your moss or wool rope and put them together. Your corners can be many different types...All of the left over wood can be bucked and used as fire wood or for something else...
Thoroughly loving your video series on your cabin build. You are really living the dream. I recently assembled a log cabin kit, really minor league mickey mouse stuff compared to what you have done but can appreciate your challenges. Well done...your joints are tight and square, looking good!!
Thank you my friend!
Excellent content, Excellent video work. One of my favorite channels. Keep it up!!
I am so pleased to see you wearing safety gear in this video. I've only just started watching your journey and those earlier videos, with no safety protection at all when using a chainsaw and axe, not even safety glasses, was terrifying! Thank you for allowing us to be part of your world, I know you say this is not instructional, but I am learning so much on my quest to build my own cabin.
Really you -tube professional cabin builder's guild??!! He is n his Dad are building this.. N it is amazing thus far! If you can not respect the creator n his project make vids to show us your professional building skills.. Mmhh hmm ! I thought so.. Watch and learn! Anything worth learning is done at a metered pace, or it isn't worth learning.. Video was well explained n developed... Thank you!
Bill Murray agreed, I wasn’t criticising his ability, his work ethic, or his achievements thus far. Merely stating that a large portion of the content is of driving tractors, talking about tractors, pulling logs with tractors. And not so much about cabin building. Other than that, it’s top notch.
The 3D Jedi Organic construction is never easy n never quick. The "tractor" is a major star in this production as a team of "draft horses" would have been back in the day! The time finding "a" log is important and is a page in the book about this cabin coming to life.. Try it sometime, look at your own little projects around your house/home , what amount of tedious work goes into them? Then think of the little rewards when they come together in a completed job!? You smile n are very happy n proud... The pages of this build are the same.. For just having weekend's , basically, they do/get alo T done.. Why..? Because of the tractor n the upgrades done to do them.. Organic construction is not new, it just is not something that gets delivered on a big truck in the .iddle of the forest n you can just snap together! Understand?
Bill Murray of course I understand. I wasn’t hating on the guy, was just asking if it possible to mix up the content. It’s been month of tractors pulling logs. Which I understand is a core part of the project, but there is surely more to film than that over & over. I appreciate the time, effort, and energy to create such a structure. Just want to see a little more, cause I am interested. Never meant to offend anyone. I wouldn’t subscribe if I didn’t want to see more. 👍🏻
Great. Love that old Massey. Grew up with one like that. Probably 50/60's model.
Great tractors.
How, that overhead view at 8:30, stunning color!