I am a Tesla owner and I am glad others can charge their cars much easier and that Tesla is leading the way to energy sustainable future. This was unofficial acknowledgment by the government that Tesla rules!
I'm a Tesla owner and shareholder and pissed as hell that they are giving up their biggest moat. So now I can screwed as a shareholder and model x owner. Beautiful! Fuck!
I drive a Model Y, but overall I'm excited for this, if it means we can get even more supercharger sites put in. Bonus points for that Rivian charging while it was raining, in case an EV critic says "OMG, you're going to electrocute yourself!"
You'll especially electrocute yourself in the raid because the plug is completely dead (no voltage to the pins), and does a short to ground resistance test before every charging session. 😆 (Sarcasm implied, since it doesn't transmit well on the internet.)
Cool that the Supercharger network is opening up to CCS cars. Can't wait to see these in the DC suburbs. I have a Polestar2 that has the charging port in the same location as Teslas so I won't be blocking anyone if I do use a Supercharger. Good to see the positive comments from Tesla owners. I was a bit worried how they would react to this. So far so good.
NACS is not the official standard, elsewhere Tesla use CCS. They opened the NACS a bit too late for car companies to adopt. I believe it's too late for the transition.
@@fitybux4664 NACS is better for cars hence why Tesla did so. Tesla also talked to many manufacturers to use nacs before they had any EVs, but they refused. Instead, here we are, with many different types of chargers, from the lightweight nacs to the bulky chademo.
I like the tech while keeping it simple for other EVs. As a Tesla owner I like it, the supercharger network is constantly expanding, getting better… so I see it as a win/win for everyone.
For an 8 minute video it would have been helpful to quickly mention charging etiquette and implications of different chargeport locations on non-Tesla EVs to mitigate potential conflicts with the other EV drivers. Hopefully you do a follow up video to this. Out of Spec Reviews did a good video on these issues.
The solution is easy-ish. Tesla should put a radar on every magic dock to detect if you're using two parking spaces. Then, the rate will be double if you are taking up two spaces. 😆 Yes, this would send a signal to car manufacturers to standardize.
@@anthonyscott5134 if you watch Kyle's video, it's kind of Tesla's fault for low charging speeds. They are artificially limiting to 350A when they don't need to be. (Maybe.)
We have two CCS cars in our family and there are a few Tesla Superchargers are at perfect locations for us. We cannot wait until these stations get converted. It will be a game changer for us.
Welcome! I hope the Tesla experience is good for you. I am certain the charging will be great. How fast can your cars charge? 50KW, 100KW, 150 KW, 250 KW?
@@aaronbounds1336 Thanks. Hyundai Kona max is 77kW and Chevy Spark EV is 50kW. We mostly charge at home. The Kona rarely needs to DC fast charge, but the Spark (recently purchased used) will need to from time to time. The Spark has a small 17kWh (usable) battery so even at 50kW, we would only need about 15 to 20 minutes of charging in our situation.
Notice that it takes up a stall adjacent to the normal location for a Tesla. There's a need for adapters etc so that everyone can park and charge in their proper lane. Could be a problem in a supercharger location with a nearly full occupancy.
Tesla has announced they are planning to literally nearly double the size of the North American Supercharger network this year. That's actually profound - replicating the last 10 years of Supercharger network growth in only one year! And those 10 years of network buildout seemed unbelievably fast at the time. Now they are going to do just as much in one frickin' year!
as an owner, i am a bit worried about overcrowding stations... just depends on how Tesla executes these new stations. As a TSLA shareholder... I love this.
Having a family member that owns a Tesla and charges at home 98% of the time. They've only Supercharge 5 times in 5 years, so in my opinion is that if you don't have the means to charge at home don't bother owning an EV. Being able to charge your EV overnight for less than 8 cents per kWh average including rough guessing the taxes, delivery charges, etc. is a no brainer. Supercharging should only be reserved for roadtrips. Tesla opening select Supercharging locations to other EV's shouldn't be an issue just like they did in Europe. I like the elegant way they were able to intergrate the CCS1 combo and NACS connector. When I do decide to purchase an EV, the charge port location will be a deal breaker now if it is not on the driver side rear or passanger front (port side aft or starboard side forward).
@Tesla Raj Problem is that the profits won't have to go into more superchargers and when is there going to be regulations on pricing so we don't have a monopoly? Not to mention state taxes for roads since gas will no longer fund road maintenance like it does presently?
@@jamesstarks3676 some European countries charge tax on EV charging. It'll just match the gas tax on a gallon of fuel. For example California charges roughly $1.40 of tax and fees on a gallon of gas. A kw is roughly 1/5th of a gallon of gas for easy math. Would be 28 cents on a charge. So it would be $.80 a kw. Or about 100 bucks to charge a long range F150 lightning
@Joe Hansen Thanks for this informative post. We really need to understand how we will support our roads with our future significantly heavier vehicles that will tax our roads in wear and tear.
It already happened in Europe ... Some Tesla owners were afraid of saturation of SUCs ... I still have waited to charge only once at a Tesla 16 stalls V3 SUC ... not due to other brands but to 2 ICEs stationned there ... So it is good for the transition to help other brands to be more relevant, good for Tesla owners because it implies even more new SUCs and good for Tesla to increase even more its rentability. No that bad.
If I pulled up in my Lightning next to that Rivian the stall would be useful to me even though it would not be useful to my wife in her Y. If the whole network was full of non Teslas then all chargers could be in service. It’s all about perspective.
@@shawnhowell7175 There are many Tesla owners who bought with the expectation of being able to take full advantage of using the Tesla Supercharging network with these very very basic issues.
@@Scott-sm9nm I get it. I’ve been a tesla owner since 2015 with 7 amongst family members currently. The naysayers to EV’s were rightfully pointing to the pinch point of the lacking charging infrastructure. The move to democratize the TSLA network will get the whole EV movement back on track and accelerate sales for all brands. In time, there will be other networks that should be on par. For now, this helps to fulfill the company mission which has always been “to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport….”.
@@shawnhowell7175 I’m all for Tesla’s mission as long as it doesn’t devalue my Tesla ownership experience. I’ve been driving a Tesla since 2015 and my SuperCharging experiences have overall been very good and I consider it part of the deal that I paid for when I bought my Tesla. Any degradation of the SuperCharging experience for Tesla owners is a “bad thing” as it devalues the Tesla brand and, hence, my stock.
I’m worried about new people using our Tesla superchargers that weren’t even smart enough to buy a Tesla. I guess I may be afraid that they will screw thing up.
Happy for the other non Teslas to be able to finally experience what it’s like to charge with no issues however as a Tesla owner the cable issue and taking up 2 superchargers for some EV’s is an over site and could be upsetting if station is full
If you notice the has it’s charging port on the front left this means it will need to park to the right of the charger. Tesla’s have their charging ports on the left rear which means that Tesla’s need to park to the right of the chargers. This means that Rivian is taking up 2 tesla charging spaces! It really doesn’t bother me that the charging network is being opened up to all EV’s. But when 1 Rivian uses 2 charging spots this seems lie a waste of infrastructure. This is a big problem and I’m sure we’re going to see more and more comments in the future And we haven’t even discussed the fact that both Mach E or F150 lightning have charging ports 3-4 feet from the front bumper so the only way they can charge at a super charger is to park across the spaces thereby blocking 3-5 spaces. Tesla is going after government money and the supercharger network just isn’t setup for this.
I have to admit I have not watched the entire video so this might already be covered by Tesla Raj. On out of spec reviews, he demonstrated how a non-tesla vehicle charging at a supercharger with their charge port located on either the driver side, front bumper or passenger side, rear bumper will result in the vehicle owner parking in one charge slot but having to utilize the cable from the adjacent charger, thus taking up two spaces at a time. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
@@clearcut6818 , I don’t see it as a fail on the part of Tesla. First, as far as I know, Tesla was the first to build not only a practical EV, but also a charging infrastructure. An infrastructure that today is unquestionably the best charging network in the industry. When they started building their infrastructure there weren’t any other brands (yes, I’m purposely not counting the Nissan leaf, Chevy bolt, Chevy volt) and thus their chargers were built specifically to support their cars. It wasn’t until Tesla showed that EV’s could be desirable by the public and more importantly, profitable, did other companies start building their own EV’s. They chose to go with a completely different charging standard, for their cars, and charging infrastructure. How can this be a fail on the part of Tesla when their network was never meant for these other brands, who chose to go with a completely different model, when it is the inferiority of their model that has their customers choosing to use Tesla’s network over their own?
@@anthonyscott5134 Exactly. The network wasn’t designed to accommodate all makes of EVs. So it’s a fail on Tesla’s part to open it up like this. Really stupid move when you consider how people are going to be inconvenienced and aggravated when someone takes up two to three stalls to charge their non-Tesla.
I have owned a Tesla Model 3 Dual Motor since 10/2018 and am waiting for delivery of a Rivian R1S. My only concern about getting the Rivian is taking road trips without the supercharger network. That concern is now diminishing as the magic dock updates roll out to more locations. I probably would be willing to pay more and use the supercharger locations since they are almost always functioning. I still plan to keep the Model 3 as well.
Tesla might be able to tell what kind of car you have from your VIN if that's part of CCS transmitted data. (Pretty sure it is, that's how some stations do plug-n-charge.) If you pull up with a model of CCS car that has it's charging port "on the wrong side", they could just charge you double the $0.49/kWh rate, since you'll be blocking a charging spot. 😆
This is great news for ALL EV owners. More use will created more demand which will bring more locations making it more accessible to everyone. Tesla is the downright right leader in charging performance. We can only hope that level of service trickles down into other service providers.
Honestly, that is great news! Now more people are able to charge their non teslas anywhere without the worry if a charger not working.. easier charging means faster adoption growth! That's one great thing about owning a tesla, I never had to worry about charging
Good for everyone driving EVs. We get CCS adapter and support from Tesla to use non Tesla CCS chargers, and others get to use Tesla chargers at a slightly higher cost than Tesla owners. And, more revenue to support supercharger network growth, which is good for all Tesla owners.
In the early days of cell phones you had to have an account on each network but now with roaming you don’t. I wonder if changing networks will ever have agreements like that so if you have one account you can use any charger and it’s billed to your one account?
One of the federal requirements is that you don’t need an app to use shared chargers. The instructions in the Tesla app say to scan a QR code for Wall Chargers. Perhaps Tesla will use a similar approach for users without the app (in the future) at supercharger locations.
@@dbellamy105 app-less would require having a screen/interface/CC terminal at each charging stall. (Unless app-less means it can happen inside a browser. But, wouldn't the point be if someone doesn't have a phone? You'd have to figure out the intention for app-less in the regulation.)
I am loving that Tesla is expanding their charging network not only to their own brand but opening it up to CCS EV's thanks Tesla, your tech certainly rocks, EA, EVGo and others fix your apps and software to mimic Tesla, if Tesla can do it simply you can too!
I am pleasantly surprised by Tesla owners’ positive reaction to this change. Thank you all for being so welcoming! I promise to be a good guest if I ever need to charge at a Tesla Supercharger.
The big trick is parking with other EVs having their charge ports in non-Tesla locations. Those Rivians will be blocking the next stall which could be used by a Tesla.
Hey Raj. It's Killowat-Hours. KW is a rate of flow of Energy (Aka: Power). KWH is is a quantity of Energy. The confusion arises from the original definition of a Watt which is a flow of One Joule per Second). Since they removed any reference to "per time unit" in the Watt definition, many get confused.
I charged my Tesla at the Verona, NY SC a few days ago. I pulled out the charger cable and got the CCS connector, and could not get the NACS connector only. I just moved to the next stall and no problems, but has me concerned that the CCS “magic docks” might not be so magic
Thanks for the video, it looks like cost difference between a supercharger and filling a gasoline engine is not that much different. I have an old 2005 Volvo that gets about 33 mpg highway which I can drive over 330 miles on a tank. It costs me about $55 to fill up in CA at $4.59 gal. It looks like at 62% charge on your car it cost you about $22 already... so it's about $35 to fill up at a supercharger? If that is the case, then there's really only about a $20 difference and a much longer wait to get back on the road. I'm not sure the number make it that compelling. I know charging it at home is much cheaper, but many people rent without that luxury of having a garage to charge overnight. I think bringing down supercharge costs at these stations to about 1/3 the cost of filling up a tank with gas would be the tipping point for the general public.
As Tesla owner I’m very unhappy. I bought my Tesla partly due to the charging network. Now not only will every CCS car going to be competing for space, some of them are going to be blocking TWO stalls due to where their charging ports are.
I completely agree. I'm disgusted by it, and god help one of these bolt owners if I ever pull up and there charging to 100%. It's gonna get real uncomfortable real fast lol
I’ve owned 2 Teslas since 2017 and now also have an EQS. In my area, EA is only 70% reliable, so a new vendor is highly welcome. Now, I can do road trips either using a Tesla or MB.
DISASTER the non Tesla cars are blocking Teslas from charging by being in the wrong space. Government needs to regulate that all EVs have their charge ports in the same place. 🙁
Tesla can solve the problem. One way is to just make the charge cable longer. another is to have the charging stations on a seperator strip between two parking rows, so that they can be accessed from either side of the charger. another way is to spread chargers out more. No need for any new regs!
@@wilber8260 , this isn’t Tesla’s problem to solve. Longer cables decrease reliability as they dragged on the ground and add weight to the cable. Have the legacy car makers adopt the Tesla standard charge port location and type.
@@DisinterestedObserver If you think we can get legacy to adopt Tesla charge port i have a bridge to sell ya. Besides Tesla can solve the problem without lengthening the cable by just trying the two other approaches i mention.
@@DisinterestedObserver ban CCS cars with charging spots in the wrong location. (This can be done with CCS data. VIN is sent, which can identify make/model, and you can infer charging port location from that.)
The 7500 number was for supercharger and destination chargers combined. 3500 called out for superchargers, other 4000 planned to be destination chargers
Great detail around the operation. Thanks for sharing. The impression though that Tesla is opening up it's network is not really accurate. They are opening a very small portion of the Tesla super charging network as to not degrade overall network for Tesla owners. It is key to look at what kind of percentage of the network is accessible by non-Tesla's. The percentages by end of 2024 plans is way less than 10% of current chargers which will be even less by end of 2024 due to rate of growth by Tesla in the 25-35% increase annually. Would love to see a detail on the numbers and those growth aspects to see what Tesla's planned % targets are likely to be for the non-Tesla's.
Noticed that other EVs have their charge ports on the opposite side, or further down the side of the vehicle, than a Tesla. Therefore, many non-Teslas must occupy two Tesla charging spaces in order to use one Tesla charge tower. In most cases, these vehicles take significantly longer to charge than a Tesla and, therefore, are holding up an empty charge tower that would have otherwise been able to be utilized for another vehicle just because their charge port is in a different location on their vehicle. No fault of the non-Tesla owner (obviously). Ultimately, an extension cable must be installed at these Tesla/non-Tesla charging locations to rectify this GLARING issue. Otherwise, there's always going to be a non-Tesla taking up two+ supercharging spaces. Oh, and the reason I mention "two+" is because I can imagine how "creative" people might get in how they'll park in order to use the supercharger. Not everyone parks courteously.
my experience from the UK - I've no objections in principle, but there are some things Tesla could address: 1) cars with charging ports on the 'wrong side' take up 2 bays. This screws with the charger availability stats in the nav and you can't tell before pulling into a bay whether it's actually usable or not - could be solved by installing longer cables. 2) only some superchargers are open to other brands. If a charger is Tesla only, it simply doesn't show up in the app - I've had to help confused people more than once trying to charge at a Tesla-only site. The site needs to appear in the app with a line through it or something, as people are just assuming they're doing something wrong. 3) we're going to need some kind of queueing system. I know Tesla don't want to admit that queues are a thing, but it's becoming more common to have to wait to get a charge now. It was just about manageable when you knew all the other cars waiting were Teslas and you could approach other drivers to work out who's in front of you ... impossible now it could be any EV at all.
Tesla has your car's GPS coordinates and know that you are queued. However, they won't know this same info with a CCS car. (But if you had the app, I guess they have your location permission 24/7. 😆)
We have had supercharger network open in UK for few months now and major issue is other manufacturers having ports is different locations and had various times it has been reported of 1 car blocking 2 or 3 bays. It’s a great idea from tesla but unfortunately can cause issues
This was a really helpful video. Thanks to Tesla Raj for making it. Although I own a Tesla, my daughter has a different EV, so I'm hoping these "magic docks" soon come to OR and WA.
I’ve heard a lot of complaints about the short Tesla Cable length and the two or three chargers would be blocked to charge certain EV’s is that true Raj or just a nonissue?
When I was visiting Europe people had to part the lane over usual compared to how a Tesla would park. It’s looked annoying for the Tesla customer but Tesla could probably sell extensions cable for consumers.
Short charging cable is part of a reliable charger design. Less cable weight, no drag on the ground and less prone to a dropped connector. Watch Bjorn Nyland’s last video on the subject. It’s part of the reason Tesla superchargers are so much more reliable. Unfortunately other EV makers didn’t have the foresight to put their charge ports on the front or back of the car. Chargers like electrify America could have gone with a shorter cable to increase reliability. It should be standardized.
Agreed with the other comments. I think Tesla is choosing locations that can support this. The Rivian should have gone on the other side to not be “taking” up two spots
This is good overall. But what i don't like is how Tesla was treated. Tesla has to make their charger with magic dock to open up to non Tesla EV, but non Tesla charging like Electrify America/Chargepoint is fine without the need to come up with magic dock to charge a Tesla?
You're missing the money. Follow the money. Tesla wasn't forced. They accepted government dollars to do what they did. And it's better than opening up NACS to EA/EVgo, because of: control. Tesla gets to keep their secrets proprietary and they have control. (While the physical NACS connector may be "open", the protocol that superchargers talk - IS NOT.)
I have a KIA EV-6 and recently used the magic doc equipped super charger in parish ny. Normally, the EV-6 can pull 260kW. It pulled 100kW from the supercharger. I have all of the updates on the EV-6. I understand that the differences between CCS and Tesla protocol cause the superchargers to freak out on 800V cars, like the EV-6 and Tesla is working on the problem. Still happy to be able to use Tesla superchargers. Not sure, but I think the rivian max’s out at 150kW.
I think non-Tesla CCS users will probably idle a lot more than Tesla users. 😆 "I paid the $12/mo fee!" (Meanwhile the car is blocking a spot for 8 hours.)
At max 50kW they should charge Bolts 20% more to discourage them taking up a stall. Especially because, like most non-Tesla EVs, they will be tying up two stalls because of the placement of their charge ports. Supercharger idle fees are something that needs to spread across all other DC fast charger networks.
I am a supporter of letting non-Tesla vehicles charge at superchargers. I will be happy to see the network almost doubled by the end of 2024, since there were 'holes' on the highway for my last trip, where there was not a supercharger for an 85 mile stretch. I also hope that supercharger rates come down, since they are about 3x what it costs me at home to charge. No problem charging non-Tesla folks a little more. Superchargers have been proven to be VERY reliable and convenient. GlenB Moultrie, GA 2022 Model Y
It would help to mention how Tesla charging stalls work, with cars using the charger to the right of the stall. The Rivian would not be using this charging spot to be respectful to other cars. They would use a pull through stall instead.
That “ 250killowat” you said you were getting only lasts for about a minute total then starts to go down no matter what your charge is at start . Will level off at about 75 in 5 mins
Elon was late in the game for 'all' -- but, I think it is fair to say that Electrify America has some serious competition without a large amount of investment on Tesla's part.... *and it gives Tesla access to infrastructure funds, which allows them to build out even more.*
I know for lots of people it hard to imagine, that Tesla isn't just in the US. It's a global network that is being opened up. Sure there's a government subsidy to open the network in the US, but it would have eventually happened anyway. It's part of the business model
Tesla charges a ridiculous price of $0.49/kWh right now. They will have to adjust their price down to compete. Do you think Tesla stocks will go up when they have to start charging less for the same service? 😆 Also, bad PR for double parked CCS cars.
@@fitybux4664 I don't think the *current* goal is more cars charging -- I think the current goal is qualifying for the infrastructure grant so they can build out. Pricing intends to cause CSS drivers to prefer other options and leave Tesla chargers for Tesla drivers. I don't own a tesla... but if I need to pay $0.49 kwh to add 10 or so kwh so I can get to the next charger... I'll pay it rather than plugging into a level 2 for over an hour.
I like the idea of having a non-Tesla charging at the best at work, but it’s gonna be a mess. I noticed your Rivian is not parked in the correct stall for the charger you’re using. That is going to be the same on almost all non-Tesla vehicles, and they’re gonna mess up the chargers for the Tesla vehicles. Tesla’s should’ve address this with longer chords, or some other way prior to opening this thing up.
It’s great that Tesla is finally opening up the charging stations to other vehicles. Location’s are limited now. How about on the New Jersey Turnpike where there are many Tesla charging stations?? Possibly retrofit the plugs? I live in Baltimore and travel back and forth to New York often. I have a 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5. The Hyundai is capable of charging at 800 volts where the Tesla chargers only put out 500 volts. Does it mean it will take longer to charge my Hyundai Ioniq 5? My ioniq 5 is capable of fast charge from 10-80 % in 18 minutes using a 350 kWh charger putting out 800 volts. What’s the story?
Just charge other cars double the $0.49/kWh rate. (Since they'll be blocking a spot.) They know what model of car you have by the data sent over the CCS connector. (And they could have a database of what cars would need to block a space.)
I think the CCS charging network isn’t going to be able to meet the mandatory uptime requirement for funding. And, to charge a Tesla at a DC CCS charger requires a $250 adapter.
You stated 7500. The actual number is 3500 by the end of 2024 that will be retrofitted existing and new 250kW superchargers, the other 4000 in the plan released by the Whitehouse will be Level 2 J1772 Tesla Destination chargers.
Units are kWh not kW for pricing info. Battery may have been colder. Should be interesting how many SC's get blocked due charge port location and if any trouble ensues that needs police assistance I'll call it.
M3 owner here. An informative video. One thing you glossed over is Tesla owners will have to push the button to release from the magic dock. This is a change and I wonder how many Tesla owners will have problems removing the charger cable (because they didn't watch your video).
Hopefully they roll it out in a smart way as some locations are already very congested. Good for Tesla and Superchargers because the others aren't doing anywhere near enough.
As a Tesla owner I was torn, but it only makes sense business wise. I just hope non-teslas with weird charging port location don't block other chargers, as well as their charging times could be an issue if they take significantly longer to charge.
I watched intensely since I’m buying a Tesla in @6 months. Overall it’s a very good & informative video. Good verbal info in the beginning but not so good when videoing the charging process inside the car. A little out of focus and half the screen was not visible due to the steering wheel blocking vision. The cameraman should have shot from the passenger side where we could have viewed, in focus, the entire process. Also, you kept us in the dark by not mentioning the estimated total charge time. Kudos to the rest of the video; very detailed and informative. Question: What is the difference in the charging price of Tesla vs other autos. I’m wondering what Tesla’s surcharge is for using their network.
Tesla supercharges charge around $0.49/kWh, no matter if you're a Tesla driver or a CCS driver taking two spots. Charging networks like EVgo or EA charge more like $0.35/kWh.
Tesla needs to start spreading out the individual chargers, like putting them in the middle of a parking lot with 2 spaces in between each and where you can pull up on either side of the charger.
5:43 Sign up with a Tesla membership. That was, as a CCS user using two parking spaces at a Tesla supercharger, you'll feel even more entitled to block those spaces. 😆
The key is that this will FORCE Tesla to step up the expansion of the supercharger network to handle demand from non-Tesla EV's. As for the Minneapolis-St. Paul area, there is one Electrify America location and one EVgo location currently operating; these locations have 14 stalls combined. Supercharger locations in the area have a combined 82 stalls. There are several EA locations in development and at least two more Supercharger locations. I don't know if there are more EVgo locations in the works in the metro area, but I am aware of the agreement with GM and Pilot Flying J, which will potentially add EVgo locations at several locations further out from the urban center.
Superchargers cost multiple hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars, depending on the size. They're not going to start popping up everywhere without government money. If we get a Republican in office in 2024, you can wave your EV dreams goodbye, and your existing EV car will be slightly less useful because of it.
It's a legacy of others trying to same money by (in many cases) converting ICE cars and using the same body panel with the "Filler" (obviously) in the same place. Since these weren't standard there's now an issue.
Wrong. Every one of Elon's companies has some angle of taking government money. They are government money sucking businesses. That is the business they are in. This is true of Starlink, Neuralink, SpaceX, etc. All have some angle of getting that sweet sweet government 💰.
I am glad to see this solution for non Tesla owners and new revenues for Tesla. The only concern is that the other manufacturers have there charging points in the wrong location and will block other charging stations. This will create a huge problem to the Tesla community at supercharger. Hope a remedy will be found soon.
How about: Tesla might be able to tell what kind of car you have from your VIN if that's part of CCS transmitted data. (Pretty sure it is, that's how some stations do plug-n-charge.) If you pull up with a model of CCS car that has it's charging port "on the wrong side", they could just charge you double the $0.49/kWh rate, since you'll be blocking a charging spot. 😆
I would prefer to see non-Tesla charging roll out initially at new charger sites exclusively as a way to monitor any impacts to existing use. Maybe Tesla will be monitoring in case restrictions become necessary later. I support the expansion and look forward to any growing pains being brief and mild. Thanks for documenting.
I do see it as an experiment too. They should have cameras to monitor the fights between CCS cars taking 2 or 3 parking spaces and Tesla drivers. 😆 🍿 Maybe if it goes poorly they won't roll it out nationwide without modifications.
5:55 - should the Rivian be pulling in 250KW? Can it charge that fast? I thought the Rivian had a 150 Kw cap to charge rate. This is a great example of the experiences people will have at the Tesla superchargers they may sway them toward their next car being a Tesla. If Tesla makes a form factor of vehicle a person needs/wants, it's probably more useful and all around better than any other brand, including faster charging for road trips. People will experience this first hand over the next months and years. Fantastic.
Dark Dark day. Because of the location of the charging ports a lot of non tesla evs will be taking up two spots....sucks big time and you didn't even mention this in this video....just happy puppies and all good;(
I am a Tesla owner and I am glad others can charge their cars much easier and that Tesla is leading the way to energy sustainable future. This was unofficial acknowledgment by the government that Tesla rules!
Non Tesla OEMs need to switch to Tesla NACS connector in the Future, but Adapter is ok in this Transition period.
@@markplott4820 And, they need to put the charge port on the same side as Tesla.
@@asitraining7664 - Tesla is already building Superchargers w/ Pull in Stalls.
@@markplott4820 that will help.
I'm a Tesla owner and shareholder and pissed as hell that they are giving up their biggest moat. So now I can screwed as a shareholder and model x owner. Beautiful! Fuck!
I drive a Model Y, but overall I'm excited for this, if it means we can get even more supercharger sites put in. Bonus points for that Rivian charging while it was raining, in case an EV critic says "OMG, you're going to electrocute yourself!"
You'll especially electrocute yourself in the raid because the plug is completely dead (no voltage to the pins), and does a short to ground resistance test before every charging session. 😆 (Sarcasm implied, since it doesn't transmit well on the internet.)
Cool that the Supercharger network is opening up to CCS cars. Can't wait to see these in the DC suburbs. I have a Polestar2 that has the charging port in the same location as Teslas so I won't be blocking anyone if I do use a Supercharger. Good to see the positive comments from Tesla owners. I was a bit worried how they would react to this. So far so good.
It is cool. Too bad they didn't just build in the NACS to their vehicles, but either way I suppose it works.
NACS is not the official standard, elsewhere Tesla use CCS. They opened the NACS a bit too late for car companies to adopt. I believe it's too late for the transition.
@@aaronbounds1336 too bad Tesla had to come up with a crazy NACS standard instead of just using CCS. They've had years to change.
@@fitybux4664 NACS is better for cars hence why Tesla did so. Tesla also talked to many manufacturers to use nacs before they had any EVs, but they refused. Instead, here we are, with many different types of chargers, from the lightweight nacs to the bulky chademo.
I like the tech while keeping it simple for other EVs. As a Tesla owner I like it, the supercharger network is constantly expanding, getting better… so I see it as a win/win for everyone.
For an 8 minute video it would have been helpful to quickly mention charging etiquette and implications of different chargeport locations on non-Tesla EVs to mitigate potential conflicts with the other EV drivers. Hopefully you do a follow up video to this. Out of Spec Reviews did a good video on these issues.
Also various charging speeds of other brand cars.
The solution is easy-ish. Tesla should put a radar on every magic dock to detect if you're using two parking spaces. Then, the rate will be double if you are taking up two spaces. 😆 Yes, this would send a signal to car manufacturers to standardize.
@@anthonyscott5134 if you watch Kyle's video, it's kind of Tesla's fault for low charging speeds. They are artificially limiting to 350A when they don't need to be. (Maybe.)
Its insane to not mention that. He did it on purpose, and I have no idea why.
We have two CCS cars in our family and there are a few Tesla Superchargers are at perfect locations for us. We cannot wait until these stations get converted. It will be a game changer for us.
Welcome! I hope the Tesla experience is good for you. I am certain the charging will be great. How fast can your cars charge? 50KW, 100KW, 150 KW, 250 KW?
@@aaronbounds1336 Thanks. Hyundai Kona max is 77kW and Chevy Spark EV is 50kW. We mostly charge at home. The Kona rarely needs to DC fast charge, but the Spark (recently purchased used) will need to from time to time. The Spark has a small 17kWh (usable) battery so even at 50kW, we would only need about 15 to 20 minutes of charging in our situation.
Notice that it takes up a stall adjacent to the normal location for a Tesla. There's a need for adapters etc so that everyone can park and charge in their proper lane. Could be a problem in a supercharger location with a nearly full occupancy.
Just charge cars with the wrong side CCS plug double the $0.49/kWh rate. They know what model of car you have based on your CCS connector data.
I AGREE
Now what is needed is the USA to mandate Front Right or Left Rear charging ports for all passenger EVs.
This is great!! Hopefully we’ll be getting more stations and not just converting existing stations over.
New station in Eloy, Arizona has has wondering if it has the big, magic... dock.
Tesla has announced they are planning to literally nearly double the size of the North American Supercharger network this year. That's actually profound - replicating the last 10 years of Supercharger network growth in only one year! And those 10 years of network buildout seemed unbelievably fast at the time. Now they are going to do just as much in one frickin' year!
Tesla is rolling out V4 supercharger w/ 300kw & 340 kw, also pull in chargers, but it's unclear IF Tesla will open newer Supercharger to non Tesla.
It will be both
i think maybe other people that buy other ev's didn't do their research and are regretting there purchase should have bought a tesla.
as an owner, i am a bit worried about overcrowding stations... just depends on how Tesla executes these new stations. As a TSLA shareholder... I love this.
Having a family member that owns a Tesla and charges at home 98% of the time. They've only Supercharge 5 times in 5 years, so in my opinion is that if you don't have the means to charge at home don't bother owning an EV. Being able to charge your EV overnight for less than 8 cents per kWh average including rough guessing the taxes, delivery charges, etc. is a no brainer. Supercharging should only be reserved for roadtrips.
Tesla opening select Supercharging locations to other EV's shouldn't be an issue just like they did in Europe. I like the elegant way they were able to intergrate the CCS1 combo and NACS connector. When I do decide to purchase an EV, the charge port location will be a deal breaker now if it is not on the driver side rear or passanger front (port side aft or starboard side forward).
Non Tesla owners charging in a Tesla charging station is like having a dead beat dad who made you but doesn't feed you. Lol
Tesla is going to make some nice profits from this..
100%
@Tesla Raj Problem is that the profits won't have to go into more superchargers and when is there going to be regulations on pricing so we don't have a monopoly? Not to mention state taxes for roads since gas will no longer fund road maintenance like it does presently?
@@jamesstarks3676 some European countries charge tax on EV charging. It'll just match the gas tax on a gallon of fuel.
For example California charges roughly $1.40 of tax and fees on a gallon of gas. A kw is roughly 1/5th of a gallon of gas for easy math. Would be 28 cents on a charge. So it would be $.80 a kw. Or about 100 bucks to charge a long range F150 lightning
@Joe Hansen Thanks for this informative post. We really need to understand how we will support our roads with our future significantly heavier vehicles that will tax our roads in wear and tear.
It already happened in Europe ...
Some Tesla owners were afraid of saturation of SUCs ...
I still have waited to charge only once at a Tesla 16 stalls V3 SUC ... not due to other brands but to 2 ICEs stationned there ...
So it is good for the transition to help other brands to be more relevant, good for Tesla owners because it implies even more new SUCs and good for Tesla to increase even more its rentability.
No that bad.
You completely sidestepped the elephant in the room that the Rivian in this example is now taking up 2 charging stall parking spots.
Exactly. And if Rivian owners were to respect the parking situation, they would only charge at pull through spots.
If I pulled up in my Lightning next to that Rivian the stall would be useful to me even though it would not be useful to my wife in her Y. If the whole network was full of non Teslas then all chargers could be in service. It’s all about perspective.
@@shawnhowell7175 There are many Tesla owners who bought with the expectation of being able to take full advantage of using the Tesla Supercharging network with these very very basic issues.
@@Scott-sm9nm I get it. I’ve been a tesla owner since 2015 with 7 amongst family members currently. The naysayers to EV’s were rightfully pointing to the pinch point of the lacking charging infrastructure. The move to democratize the TSLA network will get the whole EV movement back on track and accelerate sales for all brands. In time, there will be other networks that should be on par. For now, this helps to fulfill the company mission which has always been “to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport….”.
@@shawnhowell7175 I’m all for Tesla’s mission as long as it doesn’t devalue my Tesla ownership experience. I’ve been driving a Tesla since 2015 and my SuperCharging experiences have overall been very good and I consider it part of the deal that I paid for when I bought my Tesla. Any degradation of the SuperCharging experience for Tesla owners is a “bad thing” as it devalues the Tesla brand and, hence, my stock.
I’m worried about new people using our Tesla superchargers that weren’t even smart enough to buy a Tesla. I guess I may be afraid that they will screw thing up.
To be fair, the cheapest priced Tesla is twice as expensive as a normal priced EV... ("$30k" Model 3 that actually costs $45k+.)
Happy for the other non Teslas to be able to finally experience what it’s like to charge with no issues however as a Tesla owner the cable issue and taking up 2 superchargers for some EV’s is an over site and could be upsetting if station is full
If you notice the has it’s charging port on the front left this means it will need to park to the right of the charger. Tesla’s have their charging ports on the left rear which means that Tesla’s need to park to the right of the chargers.
This means that Rivian is taking up 2 tesla charging spaces! It really doesn’t bother me that the charging network is being opened up to all EV’s. But when 1 Rivian uses 2 charging spots this seems lie a waste of infrastructure. This is a big problem and I’m sure we’re going to see more and more comments in the future
And we haven’t even discussed the fact that both Mach E or F150 lightning have charging ports 3-4 feet from the front bumper so the only way they can charge at a super charger is to park across the spaces thereby blocking 3-5 spaces.
Tesla is going after government money and the supercharger network just isn’t setup for this.
I have to admit I have not watched the entire video so this might already be covered by Tesla Raj. On out of spec reviews, he demonstrated how a non-tesla vehicle charging at a supercharger with their charge port located on either the driver side, front bumper or passenger side, rear bumper will result in the vehicle owner parking in one charge slot but having to utilize the cable from the adjacent charger, thus taking up two spaces at a time. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.
It's been a cause of tension at some locations in Europe, where we've had superchargers open to other brands for a few months now
@@simoncoles2463 , Yeah, that hasn’t made the news here in America, AT ALL!
This is the fail on the part of Tesla. Just put the charger in the middle of the stall, and make the cord longer.
@@clearcut6818 , I don’t see it as a fail on the part of Tesla. First, as far as I know, Tesla was the first to build not only a practical EV, but also a charging infrastructure. An infrastructure that today is unquestionably the best charging network in the industry. When they started building their infrastructure there weren’t any other brands (yes, I’m purposely not counting the Nissan leaf, Chevy bolt, Chevy volt) and thus their chargers were built specifically to support their cars. It wasn’t until Tesla showed that EV’s could be desirable by the public and more importantly, profitable, did other companies start building their own EV’s. They chose to go with a completely different charging standard, for their cars, and charging infrastructure. How can this be a fail on the part of Tesla when their network was never meant for these other brands, who chose to go with a completely different model, when it is the inferiority of their model that has their customers choosing to use Tesla’s network over their own?
@@anthonyscott5134 Exactly. The network wasn’t designed to accommodate all makes of EVs. So it’s a fail on Tesla’s part to open it up like this. Really stupid move when you consider how people are going to be inconvenienced and aggravated when someone takes up two to three stalls to charge their non-Tesla.
Super bullish for TSLA and all non Tesla road tripping vehicles. Super stoked to try this out in the Seattle area with my Lightning!!!111
Yesss!
🚘⚡🔋🔌👍💯
Can't wait. Hope it works out well for you. How fast can the Lightning charge?
@@aaronbounds1336 150kW
I have owned a Tesla Model 3 Dual Motor since 10/2018 and am waiting for delivery of a Rivian R1S. My only concern about getting the Rivian is taking road trips without the supercharger network. That concern is now diminishing as the magic dock updates roll out to more locations. I probably would be willing to pay more and use the supercharger locations since they are almost always functioning. I still plan to keep the Model 3 as well.
I think it’s great! Port locations on the different cars are an issue but Tesla will install more Superchargers so it’s a win for everyone.
some existing Supercharger already have pull in stalls compatible w/ any EV, and Tesla is building new Supercharger w/ pull in stalls.
Tesla might be able to tell what kind of car you have from your VIN if that's part of CCS transmitted data. (Pretty sure it is, that's how some stations do plug-n-charge.) If you pull up with a model of CCS car that has it's charging port "on the wrong side", they could just charge you double the $0.49/kWh rate, since you'll be blocking a charging spot. 😆
This is great news for ALL EV owners. More use will created more demand which will bring more locations making it more accessible to everyone. Tesla is the downright right leader in charging performance. We can only hope that level of service trickles down into other service providers.
Honestly, that is great news! Now more people are able to charge their non teslas anywhere without the worry if a charger not working.. easier charging means faster adoption growth! That's one great thing about owning a tesla, I never had to worry about charging
When the non-Teslas crowd you out, you might change your mind.
@@MrCPPG you might have a point. I hope not
Good for everyone driving EVs. We get CCS adapter and support from Tesla to use non Tesla CCS chargers, and others get to use Tesla chargers at a slightly higher cost than Tesla owners. And, more revenue to support supercharger network growth, which is good for all Tesla owners.
Don't forget Tesla gets a big check from the government for doing this. It's not out the kindness of their hearts.
In the early days of cell phones you had to have an account on each network but now with roaming you don’t. I wonder if changing networks will ever have agreements like that so if you have one account you can use any charger and it’s billed to your one account?
One of the federal requirements is that you don’t need an app to use shared chargers. The instructions in the Tesla app say to scan a QR code for Wall Chargers. Perhaps Tesla will use a similar approach for users without the app (in the future) at supercharger locations.
@@dbellamy105 app-less would require having a screen/interface/CC terminal at each charging stall. (Unless app-less means it can happen inside a browser. But, wouldn't the point be if someone doesn't have a phone? You'd have to figure out the intention for app-less in the regulation.)
Those 7500 locations include level 2 chargers. The actual amount of superchargers that will be retrofitted with the magic dock is 3500.
I am loving that Tesla is expanding their charging network not only to their own brand but opening it up to CCS EV's thanks Tesla, your tech certainly rocks, EA, EVGo and others fix your apps and software to mimic Tesla, if Tesla can do it simply you can too!
I am pleasantly surprised by Tesla owners’ positive reaction to this change. Thank you all for being so welcoming! I promise to be a good guest if I ever need to charge at a Tesla Supercharger.
I don't see any problems until someone is taking up 2 or 3 spots at a full station.
How much does a Tesla get per magic stall? 40k? So two stalls pays for 8 charger installs?
The big trick is parking with other EVs having their charge ports in non-Tesla locations. Those Rivians will be blocking the next stall which could be used by a Tesla.
Hey Raj. It's Killowat-Hours. KW is a rate of flow of Energy (Aka: Power). KWH is is a quantity of Energy. The confusion arises from the original definition of a Watt which is a flow of One Joule per Second). Since they removed any reference to "per time unit" in the Watt definition, many get confused.
Thanks Steve I always make this mistake! lol
I charged my Tesla at the Verona, NY SC a few days ago. I pulled out the charger cable and got the CCS connector, and could not get the NACS connector only. I just moved to the next stall and no problems, but has me concerned that the CCS “magic docks” might not be so magic
Thanks for the video, it looks like cost difference between a supercharger and filling a gasoline engine is not that much different. I have an old 2005 Volvo that gets about 33 mpg highway which I can drive over 330 miles on a tank. It costs me about $55 to fill up in CA at $4.59 gal. It looks like at 62% charge on your car it cost you about $22 already... so it's about $35 to fill up at a supercharger?
If that is the case, then there's really only about a $20 difference and a much longer wait to get back on the road. I'm not sure the number make it that compelling. I know charging it at home is much cheaper, but many people rent without that luxury of having a garage to charge overnight.
I think bringing down supercharge costs at these stations to about 1/3 the cost of filling up a tank with gas would be the tipping point for the general public.
As Tesla owner I’m very unhappy. I bought my Tesla partly due to the charging network. Now not only will every CCS car going to be competing for space, some of them are going to be blocking TWO stalls due to where their charging ports are.
I completely agree. I'm disgusted by it, and god help one of these bolt owners if I ever pull up and there charging to 100%. It's gonna get real uncomfortable real fast lol
@@kottuning3294 8 hours later... 😆
Looking forward to this. I will feel some guilt because of my slow charging Bolt tying up a stall for so long - but I'l get over it.
Have to block 2 stalls for the front driver port… how is that going to work with existing standard short cable lengths?
Existing Tesla drivers get screwed. Is the CCS adapter locked into the car's connector? 😈 Muhahaha.
I’ve owned 2 Teslas since 2017 and now also have an EQS. In my area, EA is only 70% reliable, so a new vendor is highly welcome. Now, I can do road trips either using a Tesla or MB.
DISASTER the non Tesla cars are blocking Teslas from charging by being in the wrong space. Government needs to regulate that all EVs have their charge ports in the same place. 🙁
Or one charge port on each side of the car.
Tesla can solve the problem. One way is to just make the charge cable longer. another is to have the charging stations on a seperator strip between two parking rows, so that they can be accessed from either side of the charger. another way is to spread chargers out more. No need for any new regs!
@@wilber8260 , this isn’t Tesla’s problem to solve. Longer cables decrease reliability as they dragged on the ground and add weight to the cable. Have the legacy car makers adopt the Tesla standard charge port location and type.
@@DisinterestedObserver If you think we can get legacy to adopt Tesla charge port i have a bridge to sell ya. Besides Tesla can solve the problem without lengthening the cable by just trying the two other approaches i mention.
@@DisinterestedObserver ban CCS cars with charging spots in the wrong location. (This can be done with CCS data. VIN is sent, which can identify make/model, and you can infer charging port location from that.)
The 7500 number was for supercharger and destination chargers combined. 3500 called out for superchargers, other 4000 planned to be destination chargers
Great detail around the operation. Thanks for sharing. The impression though that Tesla is opening up it's network is not really accurate. They are opening a very small portion of the Tesla super charging network as to not degrade overall network for Tesla owners. It is key to look at what kind of percentage of the network is accessible by non-Tesla's. The percentages by end of 2024 plans is way less than 10% of current chargers which will be even less by end of 2024 due to rate of growth by Tesla in the 25-35% increase annually. Would love to see a detail on the numbers and those growth aspects to see what Tesla's planned % targets are likely to be for the non-Tesla's.
Thank you for sharing Warren. This is Good information. Cheers!
Noticed that other EVs have their charge ports on the opposite side, or further down the side of the vehicle, than a Tesla. Therefore, many non-Teslas must occupy two Tesla charging spaces in order to use one Tesla charge tower. In most cases, these vehicles take significantly longer to charge than a Tesla and, therefore, are holding up an empty charge tower that would have otherwise been able to be utilized for another vehicle just because their charge port is in a different location on their vehicle. No fault of the non-Tesla owner (obviously). Ultimately, an extension cable must be installed at these Tesla/non-Tesla charging locations to rectify this GLARING issue. Otherwise, there's always going to be a non-Tesla taking up two+ supercharging spaces. Oh, and the reason I mention "two+" is because I can imagine how "creative" people might get in how they'll park in order to use the supercharger. Not everyone parks courteously.
my experience from the UK - I've no objections in principle, but there are some things Tesla could address:
1) cars with charging ports on the 'wrong side' take up 2 bays. This screws with the charger availability stats in the nav and you can't tell before pulling into a bay whether it's actually usable or not - could be solved by installing longer cables.
2) only some superchargers are open to other brands. If a charger is Tesla only, it simply doesn't show up in the app - I've had to help confused people more than once trying to charge at a Tesla-only site. The site needs to appear in the app with a line through it or something, as people are just assuming they're doing something wrong.
3) we're going to need some kind of queueing system. I know Tesla don't want to admit that queues are a thing, but it's becoming more common to have to wait to get a charge now. It was just about manageable when you knew all the other cars waiting were Teslas and you could approach other drivers to work out who's in front of you ... impossible now it could be any EV at all.
Tesla has your car's GPS coordinates and know that you are queued. However, they won't know this same info with a CCS car. (But if you had the app, I guess they have your location permission 24/7. 😆)
24 fps at 2x speed is like, slow fast motion. Did you shoot this in 24 fps? Feels funky.
@Tesla Raj, Do I download the "Tesla" app or the "Superchargers for Tesla" app?
We have had supercharger network open in UK for few months now and major issue is other manufacturers having ports is different locations and had various times it has been reported of 1 car blocking 2 or 3 bays. It’s a great idea from tesla but unfortunately can cause issues
This was a really helpful video. Thanks to Tesla Raj for making it. Although I own a Tesla, my daughter has a different EV, so I'm hoping these "magic docks" soon come to OR and WA.
I’m glad that the app calls out sideways parking. The app does say it disallows sideways parking
It disallows sideways parking in the same way that speed limits prevent people from speeding. 😆
The Tesla charge station is excellent as are all Tesla products ! 👍👍👍👍
I’ve heard a lot of complaints about the short Tesla Cable length and the two or three chargers would be blocked to charge certain EV’s is that true Raj or just a nonissue?
When I was visiting Europe people had to part the lane over usual compared to how a Tesla would park. It’s looked annoying for the Tesla customer but Tesla could probably sell extensions cable for consumers.
Short charging cable is part of a reliable charger design. Less cable weight, no drag on the ground and less prone to a dropped connector. Watch Bjorn Nyland’s last video on the subject. It’s part of the reason Tesla superchargers are so much more reliable. Unfortunately other EV makers didn’t have the foresight to put their charge ports on the front or back of the car. Chargers like electrify America could have gone with a shorter cable to increase reliability. It should be standardized.
Agreed with the other comments. I think Tesla is choosing locations that can support this. The Rivian should have gone on the other side to not be “taking” up two spots
@@TeslaRaj Thanks Raj
Tesla cable is the right length, its the other manufactures problem that they put the charge port in the wrong spot.
This is good overall.
But what i don't like is how Tesla was treated. Tesla has to make their charger with magic dock to open up to non Tesla EV, but non Tesla charging like Electrify America/Chargepoint is fine without the need to come up with magic dock to charge a Tesla?
You're missing the money. Follow the money. Tesla wasn't forced. They accepted government dollars to do what they did. And it's better than opening up NACS to EA/EVgo, because of: control. Tesla gets to keep their secrets proprietary and they have control. (While the physical NACS connector may be "open", the protocol that superchargers talk - IS NOT.)
I have a KIA EV-6 and recently used the magic doc equipped super charger in parish ny. Normally, the EV-6 can pull 260kW. It pulled 100kW from the supercharger. I have all of the updates on the EV-6. I understand that the differences between CCS and Tesla protocol cause the superchargers to freak out on 800V cars, like the EV-6 and Tesla is working on the problem. Still happy to be able to use Tesla superchargers. Not sure, but I think the rivian max’s out at 150kW.
It's great to open it up. If Non-Tesla EVs start crowding out Tesla users experiences, I expect a rate increase for Non-Tesla users.
Will non-Tesla's pre-condition prior to arriving at the SCer? Hopefully, non-Tesla won't charge at lower rates blocking a stall for long periods.
I think non-Tesla CCS users will probably idle a lot more than Tesla users. 😆 "I paid the $12/mo fee!" (Meanwhile the car is blocking a spot for 8 hours.)
At max 50kW they should charge Bolts 20% more to discourage them taking up a stall. Especially because, like most non-Tesla EVs, they will be tying up two stalls because of the placement of their charge ports. Supercharger idle fees are something that needs to spread across all other DC fast charger networks.
I am a supporter of letting non-Tesla vehicles charge at superchargers. I will be happy to see the network almost doubled by the end of 2024, since there were 'holes' on the highway for my last trip, where there was not a supercharger for an 85 mile stretch.
I also hope that supercharger rates come down, since they are about 3x what it costs me at home to charge. No problem charging non-Tesla folks a little more. Superchargers have been proven to be VERY reliable and convenient.
GlenB Moultrie, GA 2022 Model Y
Aren’t you parked in the wrong spot for that charger? Going to throw all the other ones off.
It would help to mention how Tesla charging stalls work, with cars using the charger to the right of the stall. The Rivian would not be using this charging spot to be respectful to other cars. They would use a pull through stall instead.
NO, the Rivian pulled in nose first so it just used one stall. no problem.
@@wilber8260 NO, the Rivian is taking one stall and making the other stall useless to other Teslas. So two stalls are being "used".
@@garykubiak sorry, my misake!
@@garykubiak fight fight fight! 😆 (The same that will happen at Tesla Superchargers! 🍿)
That “ 250killowat” you said you were getting only lasts for about a minute total then starts to go down no matter what your charge is at start . Will level off at about 75 in 5 mins
*kilowatt
@@fitybux4664 lol gramer polic workig wel goo jobb
There is a Electrify America charging station not far from me, they are building supercharges next to it, i wonder if they will be "Dual mode"
This is amazing for tesla investors...
Imagine owning all the gas stations b4 cars ran on gasoline...
Invest!!!
Elon was late in the game for 'all' -- but, I think it is fair to say that Electrify America has some serious competition without a large amount of investment on Tesla's part.... *and it gives Tesla access to infrastructure funds, which allows them to build out even more.*
I know for lots of people it hard to imagine, that Tesla isn't just in the US. It's a global network that is being opened up. Sure there's a government subsidy to open the network in the US, but it would have eventually happened anyway. It's part of the business model
Tesla charges a ridiculous price of $0.49/kWh right now. They will have to adjust their price down to compete. Do you think Tesla stocks will go up when they have to start charging less for the same service? 😆 Also, bad PR for double parked CCS cars.
@@fitybux4664 charge somewhere else...
Oh wait... you cant
@@fitybux4664 I don't think the *current* goal is more cars charging -- I think the current goal is qualifying for the infrastructure grant so they can build out. Pricing intends to cause CSS drivers to prefer other options and leave Tesla chargers for Tesla drivers. I don't own a tesla... but if I need to pay $0.49 kwh to add 10 or so kwh so I can get to the next charger... I'll pay it rather than plugging into a level 2 for over an hour.
I like the idea of having a non-Tesla charging at the best at work, but it’s gonna be a mess. I noticed your Rivian is not parked in the correct stall for the charger you’re using. That is going to be the same on almost all non-Tesla vehicles, and they’re gonna mess up the chargers for the Tesla vehicles. Tesla’s should’ve address this with longer chords, or some other way prior to opening this thing up.
I am a t3 owner. This makes me so happy. Awesome
It’s great that Tesla is finally opening up the charging stations to other vehicles. Location’s are limited now. How about on the New Jersey Turnpike where there are many Tesla charging stations?? Possibly retrofit the plugs? I live in Baltimore and travel back and forth to New York often. I have a 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5. The Hyundai is capable of charging at 800 volts where the Tesla chargers only put out 500 volts. Does it mean it will take longer to charge my Hyundai Ioniq 5? My ioniq 5 is capable of fast charge from 10-80 % in 18 minutes using a 350 kWh charger putting out 800 volts. What’s the story?
Just charge other cars double the $0.49/kWh rate. (Since they'll be blocking a spot.) They know what model of car you have by the data sent over the CCS connector. (And they could have a database of what cars would need to block a space.)
I think the CCS charging network isn’t going to be able to meet the mandatory uptime requirement for funding. And, to charge a Tesla at a DC CCS charger requires a $250 adapter.
You stated 7500. The actual number is 3500 by the end of 2024 that will be retrofitted existing and new 250kW superchargers, the other 4000 in the plan released by the Whitehouse will be Level 2 J1772 Tesla Destination chargers.
By the way, Awesome video! Thank you!!!
Units are kWh not kW for pricing info. Battery may have been colder. Should be interesting how many SC's get blocked due charge port location and if any trouble ensues that needs police assistance I'll call it.
Someone will say: "But I am paying $12/mo for this service! I get to double park or do whatever I need to do."
The trouble with non Tesla owners using Tesla Superchargers most are not educated enough to know that charging to 100% is stupid.
Don't forget that most don't know that idling is rude. 😆 8 hours later returning to car... 😆
M3 owner here. An informative video. One thing you glossed over is Tesla owners will have to push the button to release from the magic dock. This is a change and I wonder how many Tesla owners will have problems removing the charger cable (because they didn't watch your video).
I don't think that is the case, based on other reviews. It sits in there just as easily as before, only locking on when CCS adapter engaged
Not true - shown in detail in other videos that Tesla does not need to have the button pushed - only non-Teslas.
So what should the charging etiquette be between tesla-nontesla charging? Will it be #@$! show in high usage/traffic locations? A wild west scenario?
As a Tesla owner I’m happy as long as Tesla use this new revenue to add tons more chargers.
Hopefully they roll it out in a smart way as some locations are already very congested. Good for Tesla and Superchargers because the others aren't doing anywhere near enough.
What you're saying makes sense. But I think it depends if they value Tesla customers more, or government grants more? 🤔 🍿
As a Tesla owner I was torn, but it only makes sense business wise. I just hope non-teslas with weird charging port location don't block other chargers, as well as their charging times could be an issue if they take significantly longer to charge.
Glad to see the rivian doesn't need to be sideways lol
Amazing how the non Tesla are blocking for Tesla
Or another words some non Teslas will be taking up more than one charger no matter people say
I watched intensely since I’m buying a Tesla in @6 months. Overall it’s a very good & informative video. Good verbal info in the beginning but not so good when videoing the charging process inside the car. A little out of focus and half the screen was not visible due to the steering wheel blocking vision. The cameraman should have shot from the passenger side where we could have viewed, in focus, the entire process. Also, you kept us in the dark by not mentioning the estimated total charge time. Kudos to the rest of the video; very detailed and informative. Question: What is the difference in the charging price of Tesla vs other autos. I’m wondering what Tesla’s surcharge is for using their network.
Surcharge is irrelevant if it works.
‘if it works”!? Why wouldn’t it? The surcharge certainly could be relevant to Tesla’s bottom line!
From the chart in the video it looks like the membership prices match what Tesla owners pay.
Tesla supercharges charge around $0.49/kWh, no matter if you're a Tesla driver or a CCS driver taking two spots. Charging networks like EVgo or EA charge more like $0.35/kWh.
This is very very informative thank you 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
There's 2 in CA and 8 in NY. Out of spec reviews has a video too.
Tesla needs to start spreading out the individual chargers, like putting them in the middle of a parking lot with 2 spaces in between each and where you can pull up on either side of the charger.
5:43 Sign up with a Tesla membership. That was, as a CCS user using two parking spaces at a Tesla supercharger, you'll feel even more entitled to block those spaces. 😆
Meanwhile in Europe tesla cars and superchargers uses the standard CCS Type 2. No adapter needed.
Europe is forward thinking. They also are forcing Apple to use USB-C instead of proprietary lightning connector.
The key is that this will FORCE Tesla to step up the expansion of the supercharger network to handle demand from non-Tesla EV's.
As for the Minneapolis-St. Paul area, there is one Electrify America location and one EVgo location currently operating; these locations have 14 stalls combined. Supercharger locations in the area have a combined 82 stalls. There are several EA locations in development and at least two more Supercharger locations. I don't know if there are more EVgo locations in the works in the metro area, but I am aware of the agreement with GM and Pilot Flying J, which will potentially add EVgo locations at several locations further out from the urban center.
Superchargers cost multiple hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars, depending on the size. They're not going to start popping up everywhere without government money. If we get a Republican in office in 2024, you can wave your EV dreams goodbye, and your existing EV car will be slightly less useful because of it.
I can't wait for it to come up to the Bay Area. I wonder if the cable lengths would be a problem for right side ports.
Some EVs manufacturers did not follow Tesla and put the cable port on the driver side.
It's a legacy of others trying to same money by (in many cases) converting ICE cars and using the same body panel with the "Filler" (obviously) in the same place.
Since these weren't standard there's now an issue.
What if the cord is not in the magic dock when you start in the app? Does it recognize that?
What is the price per kWh comparison between a regular Tesla and the non-Tesla, (with and without the &12.99/mo)?
Tesla is an Energy and Tech company. Reselling energy is a HUGE business.
Wrong. Every one of Elon's companies has some angle of taking government money. They are government money sucking businesses. That is the business they are in. This is true of Starlink, Neuralink, SpaceX, etc. All have some angle of getting that sweet sweet government 💰.
I thought the test in Brewster, New York was first. Who's right?
Seeing the CCS adapter on a Tesla charger is so goofy looking - CCS is needlessly big compared to the efficiency of the NACS of Tesla
Great to see. Help reduce range anxiety.
How do you get the photo icon on your driver profile?
Volvo saw the future in Tesla superchargers and put the charging port were it belongs
I am glad to see this solution for non Tesla owners and new revenues for Tesla. The only concern is that the other manufacturers have there charging points in the wrong location and will block other charging stations. This will create a huge problem to the Tesla community at supercharger. Hope a remedy will be found soon.
How about: Tesla might be able to tell what kind of car you have from your VIN if that's part of CCS transmitted data. (Pretty sure it is, that's how some stations do plug-n-charge.) If you pull up with a model of CCS car that has it's charging port "on the wrong side", they could just charge you double the $0.49/kWh rate, since you'll be blocking a charging spot. 😆
I would prefer to see non-Tesla charging roll out initially at new charger sites exclusively as a way to monitor any impacts to existing use. Maybe Tesla will be monitoring in case restrictions become necessary later. I support the expansion and look forward to any growing pains being brief and mild. Thanks for documenting.
I do see it as an experiment too. They should have cameras to monitor the fights between CCS cars taking 2 or 3 parking spaces and Tesla drivers. 😆 🍿
Maybe if it goes poorly they won't roll it out nationwide without modifications.
Brandon is like that co-worker who trash talks you behind your back until they need your help.
Oh here we go with this bullshit.
FJB
So can you carry your own adapter, or is it only the Tesla Chargers that have them? If you have a Powerwall, do you get a discount? ;-)
Only tesla chargers have the adapter
Some vehicles requiring to take up two spots due to charge port on the wrong side is going to cause friction with Tesla owners.
5:55 - should the Rivian be pulling in 250KW? Can it charge that fast? I thought the Rivian had a 150 Kw cap to charge rate. This is a great example of the experiences people will have at the Tesla superchargers they may sway them toward their next car being a Tesla. If Tesla makes a form factor of vehicle a person needs/wants, it's probably more useful and all around better than any other brand, including faster charging for road trips. People will experience this first hand over the next months and years. Fantastic.
They can do up 220 kW now, possibly up to 300 kW in the future. Might be limited because the cable isn't technically CCS type 2 rated?
its a good move, it will help with more money for tesla, better public image and maybe a small % will jump into teslas in the future, who knows.
Dark Dark day. Because of the location of the charging ports a lot of non tesla evs will be taking up two spots....sucks big time and you didn't even mention this in this video....just happy puppies and all good;(