I have a dual motor model 3 and have the wall charger and get 44 miles per hour. It’s worth every penny. Your opinion is yours. I STRONGLY recommend the wall charger.
I see where he come from as some only do 20 miles or less a day and the standard wall even gets there car staying topped up but if drive on road trips often over time wall charger worth it as over time per charge it not much, I am hoping when get a tesla to only charge at home as I heard it way cheaper than the super chargers
I have the Model 3 LR, the cost for installing the wall charger and buying the unit was a total of 825 dollars. In my opinion highly worth the peace of mind. I'd have been screwed a few times had I not had that kind of charging speed.
@@dmsteiner1991 I agree. I think its his opinion. I drive about 100 miles a day sometimes. I want to be able to charge as fast as I can. 7 miles an hour might not seem a lot. Add them up over 3-4 hours.
I have the same. I used to do a 100 mile daily round trip commute, and the mobile charger never let me down. I have a remote job now, but back then I would get home with 30-17% (winter) and recharge to 70-80% every night in about 5 hours. Even if I worked late and left early, the car was always ready to go before I was. I don't regret not getting a wall charger. Also, I would hit about 75mph (10 over) every day. So I really put the battery to work.
One thing often left out of the conversation when discussing which charger to go with is cold climate zones. The vehicle will "steal" a certain amount of juice from the charge process to heat the battery. What this means is that if you normally see 30MPH from your wall charger you should expect to see a slower charge rate while the battery temps are below the threshold that requires heating. For this reason I choose the Tesla wall charger with the 60amp circuit breaker for max charging. When cold I see as low as 40MPH charge rate. So if you extrapolate that data to the 30MPH charger you might see as little as 25-26MPH charge rates or so. Just something to keep in mind.
F You Kung Flu If you watched the whole video you’d know. the wall charger adds another 7 miles per hour on top of the system you already have. If you are getting 42mph with it, you will get 35mph without it. He is not an idiot.
@@roryreddog3258 you're incorrect. I don't agree that he is an idiot, he puts out a lot of great info, but your statement is incorrect. It does not add another 7 miles per hour. The NEMA 14-50 which is the fastest outlet you can plug into, will charge a Model 3 at 30 miles per hour. A Tesla Wall charger will charge a Model 3 at 44 miles per hour. A 14 mile per hour difference. That's over a 3 hour charging difference from completely empty to 100% full. Over 10 hours on a NEMA 14-50 to over 6 hours on a Tesla Wall Charger.
I have the wall charger. Bought from a referral winner for 400 bucks not bad if you hook into a 60 amp circuit you can get 44 miles an hour. Big difference from my old clipper creek I had for my old volt which charged my model 3 at 23 miles an hour
Wall charger for sure, I had to have a circuit run, so made it a 60 amp circuit (really no cost difference from a 50) and can get that 44+mph charge rate right at home in my garage. Very handy, there have been days I've done a lot of traveling, and to be able to gain back 40+ miles in a stop for lunch at my home is very handy, especially in the cold winter months when battery efficiency is lower.
I also got the wall connector and love it. On a 60 amp breaker, charging at 48 amps, it will charge my model 3 from 10% to 90% in 5 hours instead of 7.5 hours at 32 amps on the portable charger. For me I sometimes need that speed for overnight charging
So true. This was a huge omittance by Tesla Raj. The value of a Wall Charger on a 60 amp circuit is obvious. Huge benefit in Level II charge speed, ie 11.5 Kw which, on a Model 3 equates to 45 mph. And then, just leave your mobile connector in the car for emergencies. As such, I didn't like the title of this particular RUclips video. Almost felt like clickbait.
Yah, I forgot about this. Its once or twice a year where I have a low state of charge and need to get it charged faster. There is now a couple more superchargers near me, but this is a good point.
I had the wall connector installed in my garage before I brought home my Tesla Model 3. With the 60 amp I get 44 mph and the mobile hardware stays in my trunk in case I can charge at the office (not lately, thanks COVID!)
@@cinemuh If you're at home from work for at least 8 hours before it's time for you to drive back to work it won't matter that much whether it's 30 amp or 60 amp. However, if you are only at home for 2 hours before it's time for you to drive back to work, then that 60 amps is going to be great for you. I would pity that life style though.
I find it funny that you talk about not buying a wall connector and then you install a wall connector, even though it didn’t cost you anything. As for me, I prefer to have the wall connector and keep the mobile connector in my car. This way I don’t have to coil it up and pack it every time I plan to drive.
Jay, I totally agree. The mobile connector stored in car just in case, and plug into the wall connector daily. Much easier. Anthony the free wall connector came as a prize from the early adopter referral program. Now I think you only get free super charging miles.
@@TeslaRaj You probably SHOULD block the other outlet actually. Unless you are manually limiting the charging current below the default, then you are basically pulling the maximum allowed continuous wattage from the outlet pair already, (max load is typically shared between the two outlets in a pair) so you really shouldnt be using the other outlet on the pair anyway when charging. Blocking the bottom by using the top, helps to ensure one doesnt accidentally overload the outlet pair.
@@gurpreetkhangura5135 Outlets on separate plates is one thing, the Rule there would be no more than 80% continuous load on the circuit between all outlets. Shared outlets on the same plate is where it can get tricky, Check the rating on the plate. At least here in Australia, all the Doubles (and beyond) i have seen have been rated such that the total load on that plate (group of outlets) shall not exceed the max rating of a single outlet (that being ~2.4kw / 10 amps for standard Aus outlet.
I did the wall connector and love it. Cost me $2200 including the $400 unit + $1500 installation /w 60amp breaker + $300 city permit/inspection. Worth it to me.
A couple other things to note, the mobile connector is not waterproof, so if you are charging outside regularly, you should get a wall connector. Also, if you are charging a less energy efficient Tesla like Model X, the extra power from the wall connector is helpful. Lastly, there are a lot of rebates from electric company for chargers, so many people can get the wall connector for free as well.
@@aggg5253 that's cuz water hasn't gotten in where the thing plugs in to my cousin had one there was a storm he went to go charge it with the mobile connecter and it wasn't working anymore
For European viewers it is different. The model 3 mobile connecter can only charge at 220V single phase and this is slow. A wall connector like the Tesla can charge 16A, 400V which is 11KW. I have one like that in my vacation house and at home I charge at a charging spot on the street near my home in Copenhagen.
@@kacper2kaczmarek You realize that this is more than most? Also that km charged per time is fantastic as M3 is very efficient?? My Tesla has 22kW which matches many industrial 3 phase 32A outlets and gives 120Km / hr charging. Has saved me a few times
I do a huge amount of travel in my model 3, over 75,000 mi, the last thing you want to do when you get home from a long trip is to pull out the mobile connector and hook it up. plus when you go on a road trip you do not want to leave the mobile connector at home which I have done is a major pain in the ass. To purchase a second mobile connector is quite expensive. I know the wall connector is $500 but the convenience is worth it. Plus when you get home rather than stopping at a supercharger before you get home you can just pull in with a almost dead battery and you're ready to go the next day or the next morning and don't have to wait. I love my wall connector.
I like this video, I've been using the Mobil connector and the 1450 adapter for a couple of years now. Oh and you don't have to have an electrician wire up the outlet. I did mine in about 20 minutes. Not hard at all. Now I have two Mobil chargers. One at home and one in my car.
Good info. From the other side of the spectrum, it's a $50,000 to $120,000 car. $500 for the wall charger is peanuts compared to the cost of the vehicle.
Hey Raj, I watched most of your videos and appreciate the info all the time, except for this one. I had a friend installed a Tesla wall charger which charges at 48amp with a 60amp breaker and I got a consistent charge of 44/45 mi/hr.
Great video! Just wanted to make a note on anyone coming to the video in 2023 or beyond… Tesla is no longer giving the mobile charger with your purchase. I think this now makes the case a bit stronger for buying the wall charging unit. As it currently stands the walls charger is $425 and the mobile charger is $230. That’s still a difference of a few hundred bucks but you are getting a quicker charger and a more professional clean look if you care about that. I think most future and current Tesla owners do care about that and $200 isn’t going to turn you away. The choice is yours! It’s also important to note that the wall charges seem to always be in stock while the mobile ones seem to always be out. For this reason I ordered my wife a wall connector yesterday.
The cost difference is near 200$, not enough to buy GFCI breaker, high quality NEMA outlet, the housing box. The Wall Connector is cheaper in this case. So, anyone who has not had a suitable NEMA outlet ready for use with the Mobile Connector, pls go with the Wall Connector. It saves you money and headaches in the long run.
I moved this year. Had a 14-50 dryer outlet at my last house, which worked just fine. I had to rig up a hoop to hold the cable and that was it. My new house is a little more upscale and I went with the Tesla charger and 60 amp. Worked great too, looks great. Go with what suits you.
One fact you forgot is the Model 3 tops out at 60 amps or 48 amp continuous charging versus the Mobile connector that comes with the car that tops out at 32 Amp. So your 7mph difference charging speed is based on a 50 amp circuit. Since the 32 averages about 32 mph charging if you install a 60 amp circuit you can top out close to 47 mph or almost 50% faster. In time if you have LR version and was charging to 90% from 10% that would take 8 hours with the mobile connector or about 5.5 hours with the wall connector. So both can easily be done in a good nights sleep. The advantage of the Wall connector is if your leaving next morning for a vacation where you might need the mobile connector it’s already in its case and stored in car. That is the biggest advantage of the Wall connector is you can leave your mobile charger in the car. Plus I think the wall charger looks more ascetically pleasing.
Can you add a extension lead to a mobile charger, ie I live in a rented accommodation and can see my car from my flat I'm on first floor ,so from plug socket in flat to car is about 40 feet, I'm in the UK if that's makes a difference with voltage etc., Kind regards
@@jasonsaddington7821 You can get an extension cord, but it is not a great strategy. Extension cords wear out with time. Ideally if you own, you could install an underground ground line. You could try to convince you landlord to install a charger closer to the parking.
the wall connector is great, i get 67 km per hour at 48 amps. a much faster charge and plus its not massive like you said... pretty small really and looks nice
I have a Model 3 and I purchased the Wall Connector and it's worth the convenience. Not only does it charge faster (when you need a fast charge you'll understand) but it also allows me to keep the mobile wire in my vehicle for emergency charging on the road. Most businesses and hotels have 120v outlets somewhere outside and in an emergency hooking up to that outlet could be the difference between being stuck and getting home. Side note don't ever totally drain your battery! If you know you're going to run out on the road just call for roadside while it still has a charge to prevent serious damage. I recommended Tesla and the Wall Connector. Enjoy your car!
I think 3-phase connection using a fixed installation offers the better flexibility to prepare for impromptu drives or longer distances. Also, it is safer as well, as 11kW charging is something that you don't want to be disconnected by accident. Especially if you only have one phase and therefore easily 50 Amps running through a single wire, the locking mechanism of the V2 and V3 charging cable provides that extra safety. I would advise against messing with simple plugging connections. Of course, you are right, that for a regular daily commute the mobile charger will probably get you a long way. Also, let's not forget that you typical socket, even the 220V one you show, are not rated to run high currents for a long time.
Thats great amount,but how about intalling it with a John Searl Free energy electric generator that has endless electric power for 20 straight years?Your only maintenance will be battery changing.
I can see the sides to both argument. 1) Wall Connector is $500 + installation but it could last you for years and years and multiple Teslas. It does look "cleaner" and has a better esthetic if you value a really neat looking garage. Some people just want the "best" option available, no matter what it cost. Some even would buy it simply to support Tesla. 2) Mobile Connector - It charges fast enough. If you charge your car over night, both the mobile and wall charger will both do the trick. If you travel a lot, just unplug the mobile connector to save $500. It takes seconds to unplug .
Raj, It's not the speed of charging that makes the wall connector worth it; It's the convenience of pulling your car into the garage, grabbing the connector, plugging it in and Bam! done. Your way involves, opening the trunk / frunk, pulling the connector out, unzipping the bag, plugging it into the wall, then the car. Wait, you're saying to leave the mobile connector in the garage? You should NEVER travel anywhere without the mobile connector; What if you're just doing a quick trip to the market, then your wife calls you with an emergency, that you need to go somewhere else now your driving without your mobile connector, sure you can stop at a Supercharger, but what if you can't make it to one? It's a great piece of mind knowing that if needed, I always have my mobile connector in the car.
I agree, that is the biggest point. But I have had the speed play into it as well. We first were using a 14-50 until I put in our wall connector. Back to back trips with not as much time in between can play a factor when stuck with the 14-50 instead of the wall connector.
Tesla Raj: Over time, the repeated plugging in and unplugging of your NEMA 10-50 connector wears out the connecting surfaces and extra heat builds up. That is where the Tesla Wall Connector has the advantage over what you are recommending.
Yes, a$30 receptacle will wear out. However, there is a higher quality one that won’t, or break the connection at the adapter. I installed the wall charger since it avoids redundant GFCI, which are problematic.
Rather than remove your 15-50 outlet, you should have wired a 15-50 plug onto the wall connector and plugged it in. The advantages are three fold. 1. If your wall connector goes bad, unplug it and use your mobile connector with 15-50 adapter. You keep charging at 240v speeds. 2. When you move you simply unplug the wall connector and take it with you, no need to "find" the outlet you removed months or years earlier and rewire. 3. If your wall connector starts to smoke/catch fire it can be isolated easily by unplugging it, no need to try and find the "right" breaker to turn it off. Hard wiring a wall connector looks neater and adds 7 mph charge rate, big deal. For me I will always prefer using a plug in EVSE over hard wired.
The wall charger is a game changer. it’s really not that difficult to install if you know how not to electrocute yourself… it’s actually easy to install for the basic do it yourself-er. - 60 amp breaker - Proper length of 6 gauge red/black/white (or green) 3/4” PVC electric conduit + end connectors I mounted it 3ft from the panel and only spent 85 bucks on materials … took 2hrs to install. - Mounted charger to wall where I wanted it to be - turned the main breaker off - removed breaker cover panel - ran the wires into the wall charger and to the panel the connected the wall charger wires - Connected the green ground wire - Connected both black and white wires to the 60A breaker - Clip 60A breaker to the panel - installed Panel cover - Turned main on - Turned new 60A on - All was good
Thanks for the video. My wife and I are retired and 98% of our driving will be around town driving - relatively short distance - 50 miles max on occasion. We also already have a 240VAC 50A outlet in the garage that I can use for EV charging. I installed that outlet so I could connect a generator so I can power my house when the power goes off. The mobile charger is a lot cheaper and i don't have to pay for a 2nd dedicated 240 outlet. That a win win.
I get about 40 on my mobile connector with 240v outlet. I think the Wall connector is best suited for outdoor situations, like mounting to the outside of houses that don't have garages.
Yet another great video, Raj! Great advice and that’s exactly what I did: Paid an electrician $400 to cable in for the NEMA outlet. 🤔Thanks to Tesla for thinking ahead and making several choices of adaptors for the portable charger... paid $35 for it. Good advice and money ahead.
@@jmlastname4412 I paid $370 for a NEMA outlet, installed by a licensed electrician. Yes next to the panel. About 18" away. Install included labor and parts. 50 amp Square D breaker, cabling, and Hubbell NEMA 14-50 outlet. Had I been a bit forward thinking, I would have had a 60amp breaker and cabling installed instead so that if I one day decided to get the wall charger, I could have swapped out the NEMA for the wall charger myself, although I think to get city, state, fed rebates that might be offered, requires permits and proof of install by qualified electrician. That part I am unsure of though. Probably varies by area.
@Jimmy Clark...that is a reasonable price right beside the panel. I hope they installed a GFCI breaker per code if it is in the garage. Garage floors are considered at grade level per the NEC.
I DIY a 30A, 240v charging outlet on my patio to charge my Tesla at 22mph. $35 for Tesla NEMA 10-30 adapter, $7 for the 240v surface mount outlet, $30 for 30' of #10 Romex . I usually drive less than 50 miles a day, so 2 or 3 hours/day of charging works just fine. Instead, i also plug in my Chevy Volt and it charges 120% faster than a 120v outlet. Good for both cars, but one at a time.
The other advantage of the wall connector would be the ability to do a permanent outdoor installation. Using the mobile connector for a driveway car would be a bit awkward at best.
um... 14 mph charge difference, that means if you get home after work, shower, and now need to go get groceries you have enough charge vs waiting a few hours. Also, why run 50 amp if it cost the same to run 60 amp? Also, the gen 2 mobile connector only charges at 32 amps (40 amp circuit) so that's why it shows the same charge rate as the wall connector at 32 amp. I also got the free wall connector, and I wouldn't have installed one if I had to pay $500, until I get a 2nd Tesla, then I'd install 2 wall chargers.
There's also the material costs to factor in. At 2024 prices for a new circuit, a 50ft run (my specific use case) would require 4gauge conductors. A NEMA 14-50 socket would use 4/3 cabling. 50ft of that is $500 just for the cabling. To hardwire a Wall Connector would only require 2x 50ft 4awg wires plus 50ft of 6awg ground wire for less than half the material cost.
I set mine up for 44 miles an hour. I also need the longer cable so I can charge next to the garage instead of in it. The 7 mile an hour difference is unique to your situation of not wanting to upgrade the circuit.
Re: not wanting to upgrade the circuit, I agree completely. But Raj, did you investigate to see if that 50 amp circuit had wire that would support a 60 amp breaker. Many times 50 amp circuits are wired one AWG larger for efficiency/safety/future-proof/whatever. It is possible that you may have been able to swap out the 50 amp breaker with a 60 amp, utilize existing wiring, thus getting the wall unit an additional 14 mph instead of the 7 you experienced. That could be significant enough for some people, acknowledging that everyone's charging needs are different.
I just use my mobile connector on a 220v 50amp circuit. The connector came with my MS. I bought all the parts for the hookup online and hired a trusted handyman to install and hook up the circuit. I have the mobile connector plugged in all the time, the 14-50 NEMA outlet is on my garage wall 3’ from the Tesla charge port, the 20’ cable is looped around a large extended hook, takes a few seconds to hook up. The Tesla mobile app allows you to schedule when you want charging to start so you can take advantage of any TOU rates your electric utility may offer. I start the charging after 10 pm. By morning it’s charged to 80%. With solar panels and net metering and lots of SCal sunshine my Tesla literally runs on sunshine. Beats pumping gas. Ymmv.
I love the wall connector and recommend it. I have two in my garage. One charges the Y around 46 miles a hour, and the other charges my 3 at 32 miles per hour. Great reliable devices.
Another option is to buy a second mobile charger from Tesla. They cost $275 + $35 for the NEMA 14-50 adapter. It's still cheaper than the $500 wall charger. A second mobile charger will allow you to keep one plugged into the wall at all times, and the other left inside the car in case of any emergencies away from home. As always, great content, Raj!
One caveat for people who don't have a garage: the UMC is weather resistant, but not weatherproof. I used my UMC for a year, and then started having issues with water & ice causing the button on the charger to fail. The HPWC is weather proofed to a higher standard, so I upgraded to that and haven't had any issues since.
Mobile connector should be kept in vehicle for emergency or spontaneous travel. The hassle to plug and unplug mobile connector and only get 30 miles per hour. Wall connector is worth it, we get 47 miles per hour on the 2nd Gen wall connector. Also using wall connector is less likely to fail. Plus federal gives 26% back and some cities gives 400-500 rebate!
Why pack it everytime? Are you using it to charge everytime you go out? Are there no conveniently located SuperChargers or destination chargers that you can use (in an emergency) ?
@@Dave--FkTheDeepstate I plan for options in case SC's are down for example. or I need to detour around. or I end up at hotel unplanned. etc etc. I dont leave home without a battery pack and cord for my iphone either.
I leave mine at home. Why/where on earth would you plug in away from home on 110? Far too many fast L2/DCFC public stations around to bother charging that slow.
The outlet isn't 110v, it's 120v. Hasn't been 110v in the U.S. for a very long time. And it's also not 220v, it's 240v. A lot of people get this wrong. Using the mobile connector you have to remember that the outlet will wear out because it's not designed for excessive plugging in/out cycles. So after I installed a 240v outlet myself for $50 in parts, I purchased another mobile connector bundle when I was at the service center and they switched out the 120v adapter for a 240v 14-50 adapter. Now I have a connector that stays plugged in all the time and still have one in my car. And it was a lot less expensive than buying the wall connector. And while I wanted the wall connector, I just don't think it's worth it at $500.
In Virginia, you CANNOT by code install a 30/50/60 amp 220 volt socket outside and plug that in and charge your car IF it is a permanent installation, it must be hardwired. There may be other US states that require a hardwired solution. For temporary solutions, you can do as you describe. Check the National Electric Code -- Level 2 chargers must be hardwired, AFAIK, and I believe 220-240-volt 30-60 amp chargers qualify as Level 2. Also, a 30-amp outlet will charge at 24-amps giving 22 miles per hour. A 50-amp outlet will give you 32-amps or 40-amps, depending on your car, for 30 to 37 miles per hour. Consider this when you decide which plug to install. teslatap.com/articles/tesla-model-3-home-charging-guide/
The wall connector can't be unplugged when the car is locked. Since my car sits outside behind an apartment building, the wall connector is the only way to go.
Tesla wall charger is also weather sealed. I installed mine outside by my driveway. Just another consideration for the Tesla charger over any plugin solution.
My Wall Connector cost me $-200 because my utility offers a $700 rebate for installing a level 2 charger. Putting a plug in doesn't qualify for the rebate. Also, the USA uses 120/240 volt not 110/220. That was phased out about 50 years ago.
A Tesla Wall Connector on a 60 amp circuit will charge your Model 3 at 44 mph as opposed to 37 mph. That's almost 4 hours faster to charge from 0-100% with the Tesla Wall Connector compared to a NEMA 14-50. Depending on your needs,, that 4 hour difference may be well worth it.
Your Austrailian 3 flat pin outlet is rated at a maximum of 20 amps 230 volts, the American outlet in this video has much larger blades (the whole outlet is much larger as well) and will safely handle 50 amps 240 volts (there is even a 60 amp version). The Australian plug you refer to is more similar in size to a US 15 or 20 amp 120 volt outlet.
first of all as a professional electrician i will tell you read your fine print and know this, this is your mobile connector that comes with your car let me repeat..... MOBILE. this if you can afford the wall connector the mobile needs to stay in your car coiled up for rainy day. the wall connector is made of proper materials and will stand up to test of time and offers more potential function. the wall charger should be in every home that can afford and install it if not your mobile charger should work fine till you burn it out. an example if you had big muscles you can lift 50 pounds easy all day with no sweat if your tiny and frail you probably can lift 50 pounds but the wear and tare can result in injury or fatigue the wall charger is a body builder and your mobile charger is joe biden
Uh… you’re a professional electrician and don’t understand amperage and duty cycle? The mobile charger is rated for 60 amps but only pulls a maximum of 48. Your weight lifter analogy is perfect except it means the exact opposite of what you think.
@@jhands1988 no the mobile is capable of 60 peak but a suitable 10 to 20 year life expectancy is to be limited at 30-48 above 30 the charging temps get excessive and will degrade the charger faster
ok you made it sound like you disagree all i can say is with a 60 amp cord like i have the weakest point should be the breaker but if you had a 60 breaker the weakest link will be the actual charging adapter and that adaptor heats up something fierce if provided more than 50 but and it can get concerning hot above 30 so if you have a breaker larger than 30 great but 30 all you need to charge car in off peak hours if you have a 50 breaker will take some lifespan off your mobile charger and better you upgrade to a wall charger that is rated for a higher continus adapter as the wall or mobile adapter isnt really a charger because thats in the back seat of the car
Funny - here in germany we can charge our cars on regular outlets at 7-16A :D And single phase is limited to 20A by law :d but we have a joker in our sleeves - up to 3 phase and 32 A - per phase - at 230V. So our minimum is 7A*230V=1610W, And maximum is 22Kw 3*240V*32A
both my house and my sisters house got quoted $2000-2200 to install a 50 amp circuit to the garage... an extra $500 wont break the bank for something more robust than the wall connector, keeping the wall connector more available for traveling.
We're getting a significant state tax credit for the installation of our wall connector, so that helped make the choice a little easier. Also find that it helpful to have the extra charging speed, especially when we need to do a full charge overnight while staying within the off-peak hours.
I mean... I get 46-47 mi/hr of charge with the wall connector at 48 amps (60 amp breaker). So can't agree with this lol. That's over 25% faster charging.
Thank you for your video. Although I agree with your argument, I think it is now case by case. I initially had a 240V NEMA receptacle + Mobile Charger configuration, but it did not allow me to get tax credits from federal and state, and rebates from local utility company. Then I installed $350 Tesla Wall Connector V3, and got tax credits and rebates. In the end, I kept the NEMA outlet for future use (for different EVs) and it did not cost any money to install TWC, and now I expect to receive monthly incentives (-2 cent/kw) from utility company without changing to RLM rate plan.
In many cases utility companies will give rebates for the purchase of a wall connector, sometimes as much as half the purchase price. Also there should be consideration given to on-peak and off-peak charging rates, in some cases the additional 7 mph of charging will allow one to fully charge their car using off-peak electric rates, whereas to fully charge at 30 mph will put you in on-peak charging hours, therefore creating a greater cost of electricity to charge.
It's because most electronic devices have a range of 110 to 120 volts, and old houses had 110v by the time it reached the outlet under more than a few watts of load. Modern times, this isn't an issue, and the standards always been 120v 240v.
@ChadIsFiguringItOut if you get 207 or 210 volts, that's because you are not getting 220 volts. that means that you probably live in either an apartment or some kind of duplex, which usually get 3 phase power which means it's 120 volt with three leaves each 120 degrees from each other, and an apartment usually only gets two of those leads. Because you do the cosine math and discover that if you have 120 volts that is 180 degrees out of phase with each other than you get 240 volts, but if it's only 100 degrees from each other and then you get 208 volts, because you live in an apartment and you are getting three phase power. What you also realize is that relative to neutral, both of those lines are floating up and down to each other.
@ChadIsFiguringItOut you are getting 3-phase industrial power, it's probably because you don't live in the house and you live in an apartment. Most apartments in New York along with duplexes or other combined buildings get 120 volts 3 phase, and you can hack it to 208 volts by taking the two 120 volt leaves that are 120 degrees out of phase. You can usually find a split phase power as you get two more rural areas. There are some disadvantages to 208 volts, but most appliances are designed to run on 208 volts perfectly fine.
@ChadIsFiguringItOut Also, 220 volts will be 215 at the outlet probably under load. You have to multiply the 240 by the square root of 3 for 3 phase power because you're taking the voltage Delta between 2 of 3 legs. Aka 208 volts. Probably gonna be 205 when measured while your house is being used.
If you have to run a new service to the garage install a larger supply. With a wall connector I get a solid 44. If you anticipate staying in the house a while...spend a little more...trust me you won’t be sorry. After all- you most likely bought a $50K - $80k car. If you can’t spend a little more - perhaps you spent more for car than you have. BTW I’m cheap too, but practical.
One thing you did not mention is that the outlets get worn as you plug and unplug the connector. As well as a hazard in a damp or wet environment. The wear and tear on the outlet may cause resistance in the connection as well as the terminals inside. Resistance in electrical creates heat. Bottom line on this is invest in the charger if you plan to keep your mobile charger with you in the car. Which is a very good idea so you don't get stranded.
He also didn't mention the extra costs for an outlet vs. hardwired install, which can easily reach $250. Just buy the the wall connector and keep the mobile charger in the car. It's really a no brainer. Especially for a person who can afford a Tesla.
Scott Breseke We USED TO all charge to only 80% - until Elon and then the engineering technical bulletin all said “90% has no significant battery degradation over the life of the vehicle”. I believe he said “use the additional capacity and enjoy it - that’s why we upgraded it” (I’m paraphrasing there but it’s an oft repeated quote he makes)
I still do that! My parents live in the middle of CA which time (and progress) has forgotten- no supper charger for at least 60 miles in any direction. By the time I drive there and do my running around visiting fam, almost never enough to make it to Bakersfield (without driving 55mph without AC) to supercharge before returning to LA so I’m always on the hunt for convenient 240 source! Old Electric dryers have been a gold mine!
The situation in Australia is different. The car comes with the HPWC as standard. A standard electrical outlet here is 240 Volts. I had no spare sockets in the garage, so I had my HPWC installed on a separate circuit to my garage.
Sounds nice but you must have an older Model S or X with dual onboard chargers and an older Gen 1 or 2 Wall Connector. The onboard chargers of current Teslas max out at 48 amps/11.5 kW with the exception that the Model 3 SR/SR+ maxes out at 32 amps/7.7 kW. See www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/wall-connector.
No one talks about the cost running the new circuit. I did it myself and it still cost $300 in wire and materials (75 feet of 6-2, a circuit breaker, some conduit to go up the inside of the garage.). And this was all in a crawl space, add some more time and money if you need to rip out dry wall. So you're likely to find yourself spending well over a $1000 which ever way you do this. At that point, you may as well get the wall connector. The convenience can't be beat. The shape of it is designed to hold the cord and it does this job well. My only mistake was not going for 4AWG, you can run 60 Amps through 6 AWG, but this is not to current code; since we plan on selling the house in a couple years, I used a 50 amp breaker. While I'm happy with the wall connector, I do worry about the next car or the inevitable conversion to some NEMA IEC SAE standard. Tesla's chargers do not need a neutral wire, you can just run the two phases. This is not true of a NEMA outlet and some other chargers. Consider running all three conductors even if you don't need the third one, even though this is another not absolutely necessary cost.
Raj... exactly. Most people forget today’s Tesla’s can’t take as much amperage from a 240v outlet any more, ie our Model 3, plugged into a 14-50 outlet, can only draw 32 amps. Which has always been more than fast enough. In fact to be easier on the life of the battery, I have the car set to charge at an even slower rate with 18 amps, again more than fast enough for any overnight charge. And if need be, I can dial it back up to 32A from within the car. When we travel, like you say, I just unplug the UMC cable (along with some other adapters), throw it in the frunk and go. I’ve been doing this since our 2013 Model S, not once have I ever needed more. A 14-50 outlet, with its $35 adapter, is a very smart way to go!
I own a Tesla and I have a wall charger. I get 42 miles per hour when charging. I charge in off-peak hours. I've never had an issue. That's my two cents.
(USA) I ordered my Model Y LR AWD on Tuesday, August 25th in Orlando, through a friend's referral code. 3-5 week delivery for the Tesla. I'm putting in home charging and hired an electrician who quoted $200 labor for the actual install and $195 for the breaker and the waterproof box housing the 14-50 plug. I had to get a 50 amp GFI breaker (local code requirement) specific to my electrical panel. Because the plant that makes these has been shut down in Mexico due to COVID-19, the part was hard to come by and cost $155! The 14-50 plug housed in a waterproof box was $40. So it would cost $855 for the electrician, breaker and Tesla's Wall Connector. I opted for the waterproof box in my garage which will cost a total of $430 (electrician $200, breaker $155, waterproof box $40, and 14-50 adapter plug $35). Should be done next week.
FYI, with the 220 plug, you loose some electricity, between 5%-10%. so you will loose some money. after 100s of charges, it counts. The wall connector regulates the flow. so get the wall connector.
Remember that the mobile charger is plugged into an outlet with a GFCI breaker. This breaker costs a lot more than a normal breaker without GFCI. The Wall Connector required non GFCI breaker. So you need to add the cost difference to the Mobile Connector solution. In my home that uses the thinnest kind of breakers, my 50A breaker costs 80$. GFCI breaker at 50A is non existent at various hardware stores. Could not find 60A breaker that fit my panel either. For me, the cost delta is less than 100$. I went with the Wall Connector.
And .... I installed all that myself as I know well home electricity and every single wire, breaker in the main panel. The proper methods are also followed carefully including tighten the screws with a torque screw driver at certain torque settings.
Had my wall connector installed with 100 amp circuit.....i believe that is what is needed for when I get my 2nd wall connector. It should split the amperage when charging 2 Teslas.
Public Service announcement. Not all 240 plugs can handle the amperage. There’s a toggle on the back of your tesla wall connector where you can physically set the amperage your wire can handle. I wouldn’t recommend swapping plugs out on your home and plugging in your wall connector without adjusting it and checking the appropriate amperage.
I agree with some of the comments below you can never beat a wall charger, it charges twice as fast as anything else and you don’t have to pack your cord in and out of your trunk, you only have it there for emergencies, wall charger also looks much neater and cooler than having dangling wires all over the place. And I don’t recommend using a supercharger all the time because it’s going to decrease the amount of miles your battery will have over the years. I have a model X with a wall mounts at my office and at home no pooling cord out of my trunk it’s the best thing ever and as they say below worth every penny!
I got the wall connector. I figured for what I was paying for the car what's another $500. I'm glad I spent the extra money. It's nice to come back home from a trip that uses almost all your battery up and be able to leave again in a short period of time. Especially in winter temps where you 'll get less range. It's not huge in size either. I got the 20 ft length to be safe for charging outside of my garage if someone comes over and needs to charge also. No electrician needed where I live , I installed my own.
STRONGLY RECOMMEND EVERYONE to check your State, Utility, and of course Federal Rebates. As of Sept 2020, Federal Rebate on EVSE is $1000 (including installation cost). In the state of Maryland where I live, you can have MULTIPLE chargers and MULTIPLE REBATES. The utility grants $300 per charger, State 40%, and like I said Federal is up to $1000 in a given year. I got MORE cash back in rebates than my Wall Charger + other Parts cost w/tax in total.
I paid $500, received a $200 rebate + $200 federal tax credit. Totally worth it! And even without the rebate and credit I’d still buy it for convenience.
The Wall Connector is a one time charge. It charges faster than the 240V outlet and when a faster charge is needed from time to time, it's worth it. An outlet is cheaper to install but if located outside, theft of the adapter is very easy. Not an issue with Wall Connector, as they are wired in. They are also dedicated to the owner and won't work even if stolen.
Yeah, the wall connector is expensive. So is a Tesla automobile. However, comma, I mounted mine outside next to the garage door. It will reach inside in the unlikely event I park in the garage. It will reach any of the three spots on the driveway. In my case, it took a 50 amp breaker, 20 feet of wire, some conduit, and a Saturday afternoon to install. Looks nifty under my "TESLA PARKING ONLY - All others will be CHARGED" sign the kids gave me for Christmas. Frankly, if you can afford a Tesla, you can afford a WC. Don't buy an expensive car and put retreads on it. Also, I've given a couple of Tesla users a reacharound when they got caught short in my area. Got a couple of bottles of corn squeezings for my trouble, although I didn't ask for it. I bought the connector kit for the charging adapter for road trips. It lives safely in the frunk, and I can't forget it. One thing, though... If you are going to install a wall socket and power plug, get quality Hubbell or similar brand gear from Grainger or a local electrical supply house. The Home Despot or Lowe's stuff is not necessarily top quality. The house you save may be your own.
An important point to note is that the actual charger is inside the car and not in the wall connector hence the name. The model 3 is limited to 48A when charging for any AC source. The mobile connector is limited to 32A while you could take full advantage of the 48A charger if u had a the wall connector. The model s and x with larger battery packs can charge faster than 48A from their AC source because they have a bigger charger built in. For me charging over night from 20% to 90% takes 8-9 hrs. Thats way more than just ideal for typical daily driving.
I installed a 14-50 dryer plug in my garage and it charged my M3 at 29 MPH range and used it for over 2 years but then found a new in the box Tesla Charge on CL and got it for $375. I connected it to a 60 amp breaker and it charges my car at 41MPH of range. Not a crazy amount more but a decent amount. Now I can take my portable charger with me all the time which is nice, there were a couple of times I didn't have it and whished I did. Your right though the 14-50 is plenty at least until you can later upgrade if you like at some point like I did.
The one comment regarding wall connector and 50 amp circuit isn't clear. The wall connector can run on a 60 amp circuit and use 48 amps max. The mobile charger maxes out at 30amp. There may be benefits when warming the car in the winter having 48amps!
My 240V circuit has a 40A breaker and will only charge the car at 32A weather i use the mobile connector or the wall connector. So unless your 240V circuit has a 50A breaker or bigger there is no benefit other than convenience when going on road trips. I use my mobile charger, when going on a trip, you won't forget the charger because you would have been charging overnight to 100% anyway so at the moment you unplug the car you take another 30 seconds to put the charger in its bag. Half the cable is already coiled up anyway (in my case), you probably won't need the full length to un ravel for charging.
The mobile connector is for emergency cases where you have no other possibility to charge. It is not meant to use in the long run. The wall connecter has a RCD and is much safer. The normal outlets are not meant to be used with such high amp for many hours.
Buy and install the wall connector in 2020 because there’s a 20% federal tax credit for it which brings the cost down to $350 excluding installation costs. Also keeping the mobile connector in the car at all times gives some peace of mind if you can’t get to a supercharger but have access to an outlet if you’re away from home.
Maybe good to realize that not everybody lives in the US. 😉 For us here in Europe the wall connector is still one of the best options for “fast” charging at home and for a relatively low price! We use 220V @ 16A on our standard outlets and don’t have a “NEMA 1050” equivalent with a higher Amp fuse. The wall connector can be connected with three times 220V @ 16A and will give you around 70Km/h / 44M/h recharge speeds.
Yes, it's unfortunate that most of the RUclips channels that are U.S. based and talk about Tesla charging don't know to even say that the topic only applies to North America.
The wall connector can use a 60A breaker, so a Model 3 will charge at 44 miles per hour. The Nema 14-50 with a 50A breaker would charge at 36 miles per hour. If you have 10 hours to charge, it’s not a material difference, but if you share the connector speed is important.
In some countries, like Switzerland where I live (possibly also germany), it is mandatory to also install an AC protection device of some sort. The Tesla wallconector does not have that built in. So in total you‘re looking at around 1200-1500 Dollars. Be careful and find out if the area or the house you live in requires additional protection! Note, some wallboxes do have that protection built in, which is why I use the Juice Booster. However I have no idea if that is available outside of europe.
What kind of AC protection device are you talking about? The latest version of wall connector has built in ground fault protection, and its on a circuit with a breaker.
@paul smith i am no electrician nor native english speaker. But it appears from google/wikipedia that i am talking about a residual-current device, which is mandatory for wallboxes in switzerland. I dont know if that is the same thing as you described. But i do know that additional installation would be required to use the tesla wallconector in my country. I just want to make people aware that maybe the wallconector and the cable to your outlet is not enough.
The Tesla wall charger interacts with the Tesla app on your phone so you can always check up on it and the progress made - you forgot to mention that. I say your option is valid if you are unsure of your future with EV’s, will you always stick with Tesla? Many options appearing and 2022 and 2023 the option will explode with far more options - maybe you’ll want something else 5 years down the road (no pun intended) and a NEMA plug can also work for that. However, a study found over 90% of Tesla owners would want to get another Tesla.
What if I don't have a garage? If its just out in open in my driveway, if its just a nema there is nothing preventing someone from coming in and unplugging my car, or taking my cable connecter away when I leave it in daytime when im at office?
I agree with what you said, but I do have the wall connector at home. The reasons I went with the wall connector are: 1) I think it looks a lot nicer in the garage 2) I don't have to pack and unpack my mobile connector 3) I am a trained electrician, so install was free other than materials (wiring, etc)
If you forget you mobile charger at home on a long trip, you will regret it. If you use the mobile charger, you need to pack it up and put it in the car every time you charge. If you buy a spare mobile for the car so you don’t need to pack every time, you might as well have bought a wall connector. Faster rate of wall connector helps when you need to charge ASAP.
I totally think it was worth it to get the Tesla WC. I had a Tesla WC installed, 60 A circuit and get about 45 mi/ hour. I charged for the first year for my model 3 using a combo of supercharging and 110V snail charge. It was ok, but having the Tesla WC is way better and can charge up the car pretty quickly. We are getting a Y and so will be charging out two EVs so I would prefer to charge up as fast as we can. I also like to keep my mobile connector in my car so I don’t need to remember to throw it in the car for trips.
The value add is when your friends and family ask ‘how long does it take to charge?’ You can Convert them if it’s...’about 1-2 hours over night’ vs ‘7-8 hours’. They always ask those things...
Tell them that it depends on where you are. If you're on the go, it can charge at 1000 miles of range per hour max when on road trips but it wears your battery more, and that's as much power as a city block. When you are just at home or a store or work and charge, it is maybe 40 miles an hour but it will be full soon anyway by the next day. For most people, 120v level 1 charge at 2kw is enough honestly. 200mi range, you drive 20 miles a day and it recharges fully overnight. If you drive 150 miles, then come home, yes, it won't be full by the time you wake up but by the 3rd day it will be. And when you do road trips you supercharge anyway.
Why do you want spend $500+ to “convert” people? What “value” does that add? If you’re installing a wall connector just to push cars on your friends and family for the referral Supercharger hours that’s kinda creepy
Consider that the mobile connector is not meant to be an everyday use, I used mine for a little more than 3 years and one day it stopped working. The circuitry fried, I had to get a wall connector that took 2 weeks to get, so in the mean time i had to go out and supper charge and the super charges are spread far apart. Just an FYI
I have a dual motor model 3 and have the wall charger and get 44 miles per hour. It’s worth every penny. Your opinion is yours. I STRONGLY recommend the wall charger.
I see where he come from as some only do 20 miles or less a day and the standard wall even gets there car staying topped up but if drive on road trips often over time wall charger worth it as over time per charge it not much, I am hoping when get a tesla to only charge at home as I heard it way cheaper than the super chargers
I have the Model 3 LR, the cost for installing the wall charger and buying the unit was a total of 825 dollars. In my opinion highly worth the peace of mind. I'd have been screwed a few times had I not had that kind of charging speed.
@@dmsteiner1991 I agree. I think its his opinion. I drive about 100 miles a day sometimes. I want to be able to charge as fast as I can. 7 miles an hour might not seem a lot. Add them up over 3-4 hours.
I have the same. I used to do a 100 mile daily round trip commute, and the mobile charger never let me down. I have a remote job now, but back then I would get home with 30-17% (winter) and recharge to 70-80% every night in about 5 hours. Even if I worked late and left early, the car was always ready to go before I was. I don't regret not getting a wall charger.
Also, I would hit about 75mph (10 over) every day. So I really put the battery to work.
I have the dual motor performance and I get 42 miles per hour and I agree that the wall connector!
I’m charging at 44 with my wall charger. I leave the mobile in the car and don’t think about it.
Same here.
Wise choice, grasshopper. Over rime, add the connector kit and at least a 50' heavy duty extension cord. Yuh never know.
One thing often left out of the conversation when discussing which charger to go with is cold climate zones. The vehicle will "steal" a certain amount of juice from the charge process to heat the battery. What this means is that if you normally see 30MPH from your wall charger you should expect to see a slower charge rate while the battery temps are below the threshold that requires heating. For this reason I choose the Tesla wall charger with the 60amp circuit breaker for max charging. When cold I see as low as 40MPH charge rate. So if you extrapolate that data to the 30MPH charger you might see as little as 25-26MPH charge rates or so. Just something to keep in mind.
The wall connector charges my car at 42-43 miles an hour. That’s a big difference and was worth the money to me.
Same here! I don’t know what he’s talking about!
@@Kcclocs He's an idiot and doesnt know what he's talking about either.
I installed my Gen 3 wall charger on 60 amp breaker and 4 gauge wire and I get the maximum charge rate. Works great and looks awesome.
F You Kung Flu If you watched the whole video you’d know. the wall charger adds another 7 miles per hour on top of the system you already have. If you are getting 42mph with it, you will get 35mph without it. He is not an idiot.
@@roryreddog3258 you're incorrect. I don't agree that he is an idiot, he puts out a lot of great info, but your statement is incorrect. It does not add another 7 miles per hour. The NEMA 14-50 which is the fastest outlet you can plug into, will charge a Model 3 at 30 miles per hour. A Tesla Wall charger will charge a Model 3 at 44 miles per hour. A 14 mile per hour difference. That's over a 3 hour charging difference from completely empty to 100% full. Over 10 hours on a NEMA 14-50 to over 6 hours on a Tesla Wall Charger.
I have the wall charger. Bought from a referral winner for 400 bucks not bad if you hook into a 60 amp circuit you can get 44 miles an hour. Big difference from my old clipper creek I had for my old volt which charged my model 3 at 23 miles an hour
Same here I got the wall connected for $200 and I have a 60 amp circuit... love my wall connector!
Wall charger for sure, I had to have a circuit run, so made it a 60 amp circuit (really no cost difference from a 50) and can get that 44+mph charge rate right at home in my garage. Very handy, there have been days I've done a lot of traveling, and to be able to gain back 40+ miles in a stop for lunch at my home is very handy, especially in the cold winter months when battery efficiency is lower.
I also got the wall connector and love it. On a 60 amp breaker, charging at 48 amps, it will charge my model 3 from 10% to 90% in 5 hours instead of 7.5 hours at 32 amps on the portable charger. For me I sometimes need that speed for overnight charging
So true. This was a huge omittance by Tesla Raj. The value of a Wall Charger on a 60 amp circuit is obvious. Huge benefit in Level II charge speed, ie 11.5 Kw which, on a Model 3 equates to 45 mph. And then, just leave your mobile connector in the car for emergencies. As such, I didn't like the title of this particular RUclips video. Almost felt like clickbait.
Yah, I forgot about this. Its once or twice a year where I have a low state of charge and need to get it charged faster. There is now a couple more superchargers near me, but this is a good point.
Wall connector looks aesthetically better and with 60 amp I get 40-42 ... wall connector all the way!
I also have a 60 amp breaker with a generation 2 wall connector and get 44m per hour to my Model Y.
SAME!
Same with zero regrets. Our local electric utility company also gave us a $300 rebate on our WC.
I had the wall connector installed in my garage before I brought home my Tesla Model 3. With the 60 amp I get 44 mph and the mobile hardware stays in my trunk in case I can charge at the office (not lately, thanks COVID!)
@@cinemuh If you're at home from work for at least 8 hours before it's time for you to drive back to work it won't matter that much whether it's 30 amp or 60 amp. However, if you are only at home for 2 hours before it's time for you to drive back to work, then that 60 amps is going to be great for you. I would pity that life style though.
I find it funny that you talk about not buying a wall connector and then you install a wall connector, even though it didn’t cost you anything. As for me, I prefer to have the wall connector and keep the mobile connector in my car. This way I don’t have to coil it up and pack it every time I plan to drive.
I never even carry my mobile connector in my car anymore.
I’m with you Jay. But how did he get a free wall connector??
I rarely use it but it’s my security blanket. ;-)
I don’t know how he got his but a friend got one when I used his referral code.
Jay, I totally agree. The mobile connector stored in car just in case, and plug into the wall connector daily. Much easier.
Anthony the free wall connector came as a prize from the early adopter referral program. Now I think you only get free super charging miles.
1:22 Seeing you plug it into the top, blocking the bottom from being used hurt my soul
Logan Russell hahahaha video demonstrations only I promise I don’t block the other outlet.
@@TeslaRaj You probably SHOULD block the other outlet actually. Unless you are manually limiting the charging current below the default, then you are basically pulling the maximum allowed continuous wattage from the outlet pair already, (max load is typically shared between the two outlets in a pair) so you really shouldnt be using the other outlet on the pair anyway when charging.
Blocking the bottom by using the top, helps to ensure one doesnt accidentally overload the outlet pair.
@@KSSilenceAU Every circuit can have up to 10 outlets, what about those?
@@gurpreetkhangura5135 Outlets on separate plates is one thing, the Rule there would be no more than 80% continuous load on the circuit between all outlets.
Shared outlets on the same plate is where it can get tricky, Check the rating on the plate.
At least here in Australia, all the Doubles (and beyond) i have seen have been rated such that the total load on that plate (group of outlets) shall not exceed the max rating of a single outlet (that being ~2.4kw / 10 amps for standard Aus outlet.
US power outlets are absolute dog turd
I did the wall connector and love it. Cost me $2200 including the $400 unit + $1500 installation /w 60amp breaker + $300 city permit/inspection. Worth it to me.
A couple other things to note, the mobile connector is not waterproof, so if you are charging outside regularly, you should get a wall connector. Also, if you are charging a less energy efficient Tesla like Model X, the extra power from the wall connector is helpful. Lastly, there are a lot of rebates from electric company for chargers, so many people can get the wall connector for free as well.
I have used my mobile charger countless times in the rain and never had an issue. Just FYI
@@aggg5253 that's cuz water hasn't gotten in where the thing plugs in to my cousin had one there was a storm he went to go charge it with the mobile connecter and it wasn't working anymore
How get it free?
@@soheilmaz8968 Tesla stopped including them with the car some months ago, now it is an added cost item
You should be able to get water-protected outlets for outdoors.
For European viewers it is different. The model 3 mobile connecter can only charge at 220V single phase and this is slow. A wall connector like the Tesla can charge 16A, 400V which is 11KW. I have one like that in my vacation house and at home I charge at a charging spot on the street near my home in Copenhagen.
The Tesla Wall charger can go up to 22kW (3-phase 32A).
@@moestrei But the Model 3 is limited to 11kW on AC.
@@kacper2kaczmarek You realize that this is more than most? Also that km charged per time is fantastic as M3 is very efficient?? My Tesla has 22kW which matches many industrial 3 phase 32A outlets and gives 120Km / hr charging. Has saved me a few times
No 400V is you nominal battery voltage, not the AC charging voltage. 230V * 16A * 3 phases = 11kW.
I do a huge amount of travel in my model 3, over 75,000 mi, the last thing you want to do when you get home from a long trip is to pull out the mobile connector and hook it up. plus when you go on a road trip you do not want to leave the mobile connector at home which I have done is a major pain in the ass. To purchase a second mobile connector is quite expensive. I know the wall connector is $500 but the convenience is worth it. Plus when you get home rather than stopping at a supercharger before you get home you can just pull in with a almost dead battery and you're ready to go the next day or the next morning and don't have to wait. I love my wall connector.
I like this video, I've been using the Mobil connector and the 1450 adapter for a couple of years now. Oh and you don't have to have an electrician wire up the outlet. I did mine in about 20 minutes. Not hard at all. Now I have two Mobil chargers. One at home and one in my car.
@@RepRapper nice works for some I can charge at 48 amps 11 KW with a mobile connector you're limited to 32 amp charging at most
Good info. From the other side of the spectrum, it's a $50,000 to $120,000 car. $500 for the wall charger is peanuts compared to the cost of the vehicle.
Hey Raj, I watched most of your videos and appreciate the info all the time, except for this one. I had a friend installed a Tesla wall charger which charges at 48amp with a 60amp breaker and I got a consistent charge of 44/45 mi/hr.
Great video! Just wanted to make a note on anyone coming to the video in 2023 or beyond… Tesla is no longer giving the mobile charger with your purchase. I think this now makes the case a bit stronger for buying the wall charging unit. As it currently stands the walls charger is $425 and the mobile charger is $230. That’s still a difference of a few hundred bucks but you are getting a quicker charger and a more professional clean look if you care about that. I think most future and current Tesla owners do care about that and $200 isn’t going to turn you away. The choice is yours! It’s also important to note that the wall charges seem to always be in stock while the mobile ones seem to always be out. For this reason I ordered my wife a wall connector yesterday.
The cost difference is near 200$, not enough to buy GFCI breaker, high quality NEMA outlet, the housing box. The Wall Connector is cheaper in this case.
So, anyone who has not had a suitable NEMA outlet ready for use with the Mobile Connector, pls go with the Wall Connector. It saves you money and headaches in the long run.
I moved this year. Had a 14-50 dryer outlet at my last house, which worked just fine. I had to rig up a hoop to hold the cable and that was it. My new house is a little more upscale and I went with the Tesla charger and 60 amp. Worked great too, looks great. Go with what suits you.
One fact you forgot is the Model 3 tops out at 60 amps or 48 amp continuous charging versus the Mobile connector that comes with the car that tops out at 32 Amp. So your 7mph difference charging speed is based on a 50 amp circuit. Since the 32 averages about 32 mph charging if you install a 60 amp circuit you can top out close to 47 mph or almost 50% faster. In time if you have LR version and was charging to 90% from 10% that would take 8 hours with the mobile connector or about 5.5 hours with the wall connector.
So both can easily be done in a good nights sleep. The advantage of the Wall connector is if your leaving next morning for a vacation where you might need the mobile connector it’s already in its case and stored in car. That is the biggest advantage of the Wall connector is you can leave your mobile charger in the car. Plus I think the wall charger looks more ascetically pleasing.
Can you add a extension lead to a mobile charger, ie I live in a rented accommodation and can see my car from my flat I'm on first floor ,so from plug socket in flat to car is about 40 feet, I'm in the UK if that's makes a difference with voltage etc., Kind regards
@@jasonsaddington7821 You can get an extension cord, but it is not a great strategy. Extension cords wear out with time. Ideally if you own, you could install an underground ground line. You could try to convince you landlord to install a charger closer to the parking.
the wall connector is great, i get 67 km per hour at 48 amps. a much faster charge and plus its not massive like you said... pretty small really and looks nice
I have a Model 3 and I purchased the Wall Connector and it's worth the convenience. Not only does it charge faster (when you need a fast charge you'll understand) but it also allows me to keep the mobile wire in my vehicle for emergency charging on the road. Most businesses and hotels have 120v outlets somewhere outside and in an emergency hooking up to that outlet could be the difference between being stuck and getting home. Side note don't ever totally drain your battery! If you know you're going to run out on the road just call for roadside while it still has a charge to prevent serious damage. I recommended Tesla and the Wall Connector. Enjoy your car!
10 min video just to say that a NEMA 14-50 chargers at a slightly slower speed for a cheaper price.
that's precisely how i felt too - should be a sub 5 min. video
Terrible video.
Couldn't watch the whole video. It's a video that he needed a payment from RUclips.
They're both nema 14-50 chargers ;)
Yea cause anything over ten minutes they get paid for why you think it was only 2 seconds over
I think 3-phase connection using a fixed installation offers the better flexibility to prepare for impromptu drives or longer distances. Also, it is safer as well, as 11kW charging is something that you don't want to be disconnected by accident. Especially if you only have one phase and therefore easily 50 Amps running through a single wire, the locking mechanism of the V2 and V3 charging cable provides that extra safety. I would advise against messing with simple plugging connections. Of course, you are right, that for a regular daily commute the mobile charger will probably get you a long way. Also, let's not forget that you typical socket, even the 220V one you show, are not rated to run high currents for a long time.
Thanks for some really good points. I think you meant 3-wire and not 3-phase.
My decision was easy as my electric provider Alliant Energy has a $500 incentive which paid for my Wall Charger.
Thats great amount,but how about intalling it with a John Searl Free energy electric generator that has endless electric power for 20 straight years?Your only maintenance will be battery changing.
I can see the sides to both argument.
1) Wall Connector is $500 + installation but it could last you for years and years and multiple Teslas. It does look "cleaner" and has a better esthetic if you value a really neat looking garage. Some people just want the "best" option available, no matter what it cost. Some even would buy it simply to support Tesla.
2) Mobile Connector - It charges fast enough. If you charge your car over night, both the mobile and wall charger will both do the trick. If you travel a lot, just unplug the mobile connector to save $500. It takes seconds to unplug .
Raj, It's not the speed of charging that makes the wall connector worth it; It's the convenience of pulling your car into the garage, grabbing the connector, plugging it in and Bam! done. Your way involves, opening the trunk / frunk, pulling the connector out, unzipping the bag, plugging it into the wall, then the car. Wait, you're saying to leave the mobile connector in the garage? You should NEVER travel anywhere without the mobile connector; What if you're just doing a quick trip to the market, then your wife calls you with an emergency, that you need to go somewhere else now your driving without your mobile connector, sure you can stop at a Supercharger, but what if you can't make it to one? It's a great piece of mind knowing that if needed, I always have my mobile connector in the car.
I agree, that is the biggest point. But I have had the speed play into it as well. We first were using a 14-50 until I put in our wall connector. Back to back trips with not as much time in between can play a factor when stuck with the 14-50 instead of the wall connector.
Tesla Raj: Over time, the repeated plugging in and unplugging of your NEMA 10-50 connector wears out the connecting surfaces and extra heat builds up. That is where the Tesla Wall Connector has the advantage over what you are recommending.
Yes, a$30 receptacle will wear out. However, there is a higher quality one that won’t, or break the connection at the adapter. I installed the wall charger since it avoids redundant GFCI, which are problematic.
or you can just leave it plugged in
Rather than remove your 15-50 outlet, you should have wired a 15-50 plug onto the wall connector and plugged it in.
The advantages are three fold.
1. If your wall connector goes bad, unplug it and use your mobile connector with 15-50 adapter. You keep charging at 240v speeds.
2. When you move you simply unplug the wall connector and take it with you, no need to "find" the outlet you removed months or years earlier and rewire.
3. If your wall connector starts to smoke/catch fire it can be isolated easily by unplugging it, no need to try and find the "right" breaker to turn it off.
Hard wiring a wall connector looks neater and adds 7 mph charge rate, big deal. For me I will always prefer using a plug in EVSE over hard wired.
The wall charger is a game changer.
it’s really not that difficult to install if you know how not to electrocute yourself… it’s actually easy to install for the basic do it yourself-er.
- 60 amp breaker
- Proper length of 6 gauge red/black/white (or green)
3/4” PVC electric conduit + end connectors
I mounted it 3ft from the panel and only spent 85 bucks on materials … took 2hrs to install.
- Mounted charger to wall where I wanted it to be
- turned the main breaker off
- removed breaker cover panel
- ran the wires into the wall charger and to the panel the connected the wall charger wires
- Connected the green ground wire
- Connected both black and white wires to the 60A breaker
- Clip 60A breaker to the panel
- installed Panel cover
- Turned main on
- Turned new 60A on
- All was good
Thanks for the video. My wife and I are retired and 98% of our driving will be around town driving - relatively short distance - 50 miles max on occasion. We also already have a 240VAC 50A outlet in the garage that I can use for EV charging. I installed that outlet so I could connect a generator so I can power my house when the power goes off. The mobile charger is a lot cheaper and i don't have to pay for a 2nd dedicated 240 outlet. That a win win.
I get about 40 on my mobile connector with 240v outlet. I think the Wall connector is best suited for outdoor situations, like mounting to the outside of houses that don't have garages.
Yet another great video, Raj! Great advice and that’s exactly what I did: Paid an electrician $400 to cable in for the NEMA outlet. 🤔Thanks to Tesla for thinking ahead and making several choices of adaptors for the portable charger... paid $35 for it. Good advice and money ahead.
$400? Was that a licensed electrician? Or did he put the receptacle right beside the panel? Recently?
@@jmlastname4412 I paid $370 for a NEMA outlet, installed by a licensed electrician. Yes next to the panel. About 18" away. Install included labor and parts. 50 amp Square D breaker, cabling, and Hubbell NEMA 14-50 outlet. Had I been a bit forward thinking, I would have had a 60amp breaker and cabling installed instead so that if I one day decided to get the wall charger, I could have swapped out the NEMA for the wall charger myself, although I think to get city, state, fed rebates that might be offered, requires permits and proof of install by qualified electrician. That part I am unsure of though. Probably varies by area.
@Jimmy Clark...that is a reasonable price right beside the panel. I hope they installed a GFCI breaker per code if it is in the garage. Garage floors are considered at grade level per the NEC.
Also one can charge other non Tesla EVs from NEMA14-50 if some one visits with a non Tesla ev
Very good point. I totally forgot about that
I DIY a 30A, 240v charging outlet on my patio to charge my Tesla at 22mph. $35 for Tesla NEMA 10-30 adapter, $7 for the 240v surface mount outlet, $30 for 30' of #10 Romex . I usually drive less than 50 miles a day, so 2 or 3 hours/day of charging works just fine. Instead, i also plug in my Chevy Volt and it charges 120% faster than a 120v outlet. Good for both cars, but one at a time.
Remember you can use Form 8911 to get Federal tax credit when you get an EVSE installed.
This may have just sold me on the wall charger.
The other advantage of the wall connector would be the ability to do a permanent outdoor installation. Using the mobile connector for a driveway car would be a bit awkward at best.
um... 14 mph charge difference, that means if you get home after work, shower, and now need to go get groceries you have enough charge vs waiting a few hours. Also, why run 50 amp if it cost the same to run 60 amp? Also, the gen 2 mobile connector only charges at 32 amps (40 amp circuit) so that's why it shows the same charge rate as the wall connector at 32 amp.
I also got the free wall connector, and I wouldn't have installed one if I had to pay $500, until I get a 2nd Tesla, then I'd install 2 wall chargers.
There's also the material costs to factor in. At 2024 prices for a new circuit, a 50ft run (my specific use case) would require 4gauge conductors. A NEMA 14-50 socket would use 4/3 cabling. 50ft of that is $500 just for the cabling. To hardwire a Wall Connector would only require 2x 50ft 4awg wires plus 50ft of 6awg ground wire for less than half the material cost.
I set mine up for 44 miles an hour. I also need the longer cable so I can charge next to the garage instead of in it. The 7 mile an hour difference is unique to your situation of not wanting to upgrade the circuit.
Re: not wanting to upgrade the circuit, I agree completely. But Raj, did you investigate to see if that 50 amp circuit had wire that would support a 60 amp breaker. Many times 50 amp circuits are wired one AWG larger for efficiency/safety/future-proof/whatever. It is possible that you may have been able to swap out the 50 amp breaker with a 60 amp, utilize existing wiring, thus getting the wall unit an additional 14 mph instead of the 7 you experienced. That could be significant enough for some people, acknowledging that everyone's charging needs are different.
Wall connector all the way! At 48 amps I get 40 miles of range added per hour.
The mobile charger and adapters I bought rest in the car - never used.
Mobile chargers are meant for when you're gonna get stranded or stuck and you wanna trickle charge on a standard outlet.
I just use my mobile connector on a 220v 50amp circuit. The connector came with my MS. I bought all the parts for the hookup online and hired a trusted handyman to install and hook up the circuit. I have the mobile connector plugged in all the time, the 14-50 NEMA outlet is on my garage wall 3’ from the Tesla charge port, the 20’ cable is looped around a large extended hook, takes a few seconds to hook up. The Tesla mobile app allows you to schedule when you want charging to start so you can take advantage of any TOU rates your electric utility may offer. I start the charging after 10 pm. By morning it’s charged to 80%. With solar panels and net metering and lots of SCal sunshine my Tesla literally runs on sunshine. Beats pumping gas. Ymmv.
I love the wall connector and recommend it. I have two in my garage. One charges the Y around 46 miles a hour, and the other charges my 3 at 32 miles per hour. Great reliable devices.
Also worth mentioning that the Wall Connector has a full rebate in places like Los Angeles. So it's free there.
How?
Another option is to buy a second mobile charger from Tesla. They cost $275 + $35 for the NEMA 14-50 adapter. It's still cheaper than the $500 wall charger. A second mobile charger will allow you to keep one plugged into the wall at all times, and the other left inside the car in case of any emergencies away from home. As always, great content, Raj!
One caveat for people who don't have a garage: the UMC is weather resistant, but not weatherproof. I used my UMC for a year, and then started having issues with water & ice causing the button on the charger to fail. The HPWC is weather proofed to a higher standard, so I upgraded to that and haven't had any issues since.
Mobile connector should be kept in vehicle for emergency or spontaneous travel. The hassle to plug and unplug mobile connector and only get 30 miles per hour. Wall connector is worth it, we get 47 miles per hour on the 2nd Gen wall connector. Also using wall connector is less likely to fail. Plus federal gives 26% back and some cities gives 400-500 rebate!
Every time you leave you gotta pack up the mobile. I’m lazy.
That’s fair
@@TeslaRaj wife? is that you?
Why pack it everytime? Are you using it to charge everytime you go out? Are there no conveniently located SuperChargers or destination chargers that you can use (in an emergency) ?
@@Dave--FkTheDeepstate I plan for options in case SC's are down for example. or I need to detour around. or I end up at hotel unplanned. etc etc. I dont leave home without a battery pack and cord for my iphone either.
I leave mine at home. Why/where on earth would you plug in away from home on 110? Far too many fast L2/DCFC public stations around to bother charging that slow.
Non-Issue --
// My Model X, using a Tesla Wall Charger in my garage, is _Plenty Fast::_ Wired on a 100amp circuit for 1-71 amps at 245 vac.
How about installing an onboard John Searl electric power generator?It will power you car of continuous electric power supply for 20years or more.
@@amantupar888 -- Cool idea.
The outlet isn't 110v, it's 120v. Hasn't been 110v in the U.S. for a very long time. And it's also not 220v, it's 240v. A lot of people get this wrong.
Using the mobile connector you have to remember that the outlet will wear out because it's not designed for excessive plugging in/out cycles. So after I installed a 240v outlet myself for $50 in parts, I purchased another mobile connector bundle when I was at the service center and they switched out the 120v adapter for a 240v 14-50 adapter. Now I have a connector that stays plugged in all the time and still have one in my car. And it was a lot less expensive than buying the wall connector. And while I wanted the wall connector, I just don't think it's worth it at $500.
The receptacle he replaced was a 6-30. And he “extended the wiring with pigtails”. Hope for no smoke/fire.
In Virginia, you CANNOT by code install a 30/50/60 amp 220 volt socket outside and plug that in and charge your car IF it is a permanent installation, it must be hardwired. There may be other US states that require a hardwired solution.
For temporary solutions, you can do as you describe. Check the National Electric Code -- Level 2 chargers must be hardwired, AFAIK, and I believe 220-240-volt 30-60 amp chargers qualify as Level 2.
Also, a 30-amp outlet will charge at 24-amps giving 22 miles per hour. A 50-amp outlet will give you 32-amps or 40-amps, depending on your car, for 30 to 37 miles per hour. Consider this when you decide which plug to install. teslatap.com/articles/tesla-model-3-home-charging-guide/
The wall connector can't be unplugged when the car is locked.
Since my car sits outside behind an apartment building, the wall connector is the only way to go.
Tesla wall charger is also weather sealed. I installed mine outside by my driveway. Just another consideration for the Tesla charger over any plugin solution.
My Wall Connector cost me $-200 because my utility offers a $700 rebate for installing a level 2 charger. Putting a plug in doesn't qualify for the rebate. Also, the USA uses 120/240 volt not 110/220. That was phased out about 50 years ago.
A Tesla Wall Connector on a 60 amp circuit will charge your Model 3 at 44 mph as opposed to 37 mph. That's almost 4 hours faster to charge from 0-100% with the Tesla Wall Connector compared to a NEMA 14-50. Depending on your needs,, that 4 hour difference may be well worth it.
The old 240v wall socket with the inward slantly slits in this video is exactly what we have in Australia for normal house power outlets! :)
Your Austrailian 3 flat pin outlet is rated at a maximum of 20 amps 230 volts, the American outlet in this video has much larger blades (the whole outlet is much larger as well) and will safely handle 50 amps 240 volts (there is even a 60 amp version). The Australian plug you refer to is more similar in size to a US 15 or 20 amp 120 volt outlet.
@@phugwad It's safe in any case as it won't fit = the nema plug has a larger rounded earth pin 😉
first of all as a professional electrician i will tell you read your fine print and know this, this is your mobile connector that comes with your car let me repeat..... MOBILE. this if you can afford the wall connector the mobile needs to stay in your car coiled up for rainy day. the wall connector is made of proper materials and will stand up to test of time and offers more potential function. the wall charger should be in every home that can afford and install it if not your mobile charger should work fine till you burn it out. an example if you had big muscles you can lift 50 pounds easy all day with no sweat if your tiny and frail you probably can lift 50 pounds but the wear and tare can result in injury or fatigue the wall charger is a body builder and your mobile charger is joe biden
Uh… you’re a professional electrician and don’t understand amperage and duty cycle? The mobile charger is rated for 60 amps but only pulls a maximum of 48. Your weight lifter analogy is perfect except it means the exact opposite of what you think.
@@jhands1988 no the mobile is capable of 60 peak but a suitable 10 to 20 year life expectancy is to be limited at 30-48
above 30 the charging temps get excessive and will degrade the charger faster
@@kevinalmeida7159 yes exactly. You proved my point for me. A 60 amp cord will never degrade at 48 amps. Even at 100% duty cycle.
ok you made it sound like you disagree all i can say is with a 60 amp cord like i have the weakest point should be the breaker but if you had a 60 breaker the weakest link will be the actual charging adapter and that adaptor heats up something fierce if provided more than 50 but and it can get concerning hot above 30 so if you have a breaker larger than 30 great but 30 all you need to charge car in off peak hours if you have a 50 breaker will take some lifespan off your mobile charger and better you upgrade to a wall charger that is rated for a higher continus adapter as the wall or mobile adapter isnt really a charger because thats in the back seat of the car
Funny - here in germany we can charge our cars on regular outlets at 7-16A :D
And single phase is limited to 20A by law :d but we have a joker in our sleeves - up to 3 phase and 32 A - per phase - at 230V.
So our minimum is 7A*230V=1610W,
And maximum is 22Kw 3*240V*32A
Unfortunately a Model 3 is limited to 11kW on a 3 phase 240V AC circuit.
@@cbuchner1 stupid model 3 - take 2 of it 👌
I‘ll have one badass Cybertruck please
both my house and my sisters house got quoted $2000-2200 to install a 50 amp circuit to the garage... an extra $500 wont break the bank for something more robust than the wall connector, keeping the wall connector more available for traveling.
We're getting a significant state tax credit for the installation of our wall connector, so that helped make the choice a little easier. Also find that it helpful to have the extra charging speed, especially when we need to do a full charge overnight while staying within the off-peak hours.
I mean... I get 46-47 mi/hr of charge with the wall connector at 48 amps (60 amp breaker). So can't agree with this lol. That's over 25% faster charging.
Thank you for your video. Although I agree with your argument, I think it is now case by case. I initially had a 240V NEMA receptacle + Mobile Charger configuration, but it did not allow me to get tax credits from federal and state, and rebates from local utility company. Then I installed $350 Tesla Wall Connector V3, and got tax credits and rebates. In the end, I kept the NEMA outlet for future use (for different EVs) and it did not cost any money to install TWC, and now I expect to receive monthly incentives (-2 cent/kw) from utility company without changing to RLM rate plan.
In many cases utility companies will give rebates for the purchase of a wall connector, sometimes as much as half the purchase price. Also there should be consideration given to on-peak and off-peak charging rates, in some cases the additional 7 mph of charging will allow one to fully charge their car using off-peak electric rates, whereas to fully charge at 30 mph will put you in on-peak charging hours, therefore creating a greater cost of electricity to charge.
So many inaccuracies in this video it's 120-volt and 240-volt. It hasn't been 110-volt 220 v for many many many decades.
I get so tired of everyone wrongly saying 110\220 instead of 120\240. Thanks Patrick Carroll!
It's because most electronic devices have a range of 110 to 120 volts, and old houses had 110v by the time it reached the outlet under more than a few watts of load.
Modern times, this isn't an issue, and the standards always been 120v 240v.
@ChadIsFiguringItOut if you get 207 or 210 volts, that's because you are not getting 220 volts.
that means that you probably live in either an apartment or some kind of duplex, which usually get 3 phase power which means it's 120 volt with three leaves each 120 degrees from each other, and an apartment usually only gets two of those leads.
Because you do the cosine math and discover that if you have 120 volts that is 180 degrees out of phase with each other than you get 240 volts, but if it's only 100 degrees from each other and then you get 208 volts, because you live in an apartment and you are getting three phase power.
What you also realize is that relative to neutral, both of those lines are floating up and down to each other.
@ChadIsFiguringItOut you are getting 3-phase industrial power, it's probably because you don't live in the house and you live in an apartment. Most apartments in New York along with duplexes or other combined buildings get 120 volts 3 phase, and you can hack it to 208 volts by taking the two 120 volt leaves that are 120 degrees out of phase.
You can usually find a split phase power as you get two more rural areas. There are some disadvantages to 208 volts, but most appliances are designed to run on 208 volts perfectly fine.
@ChadIsFiguringItOut Also, 220 volts will be 215 at the outlet probably under load.
You have to multiply the 240 by the square root of 3 for 3 phase power because you're taking the voltage Delta between 2 of 3 legs.
Aka 208 volts. Probably gonna be 205 when measured while your house is being used.
Wall charger is awesome. 40-50 miles an hour, looks good.
If you have to run a new service to the garage install a larger supply. With a wall connector I get a solid 44. If you anticipate staying in the house a while...spend a little more...trust me you won’t be sorry. After all- you most likely bought a $50K - $80k car. If you can’t spend a little more
- perhaps you spent more for car than you have. BTW I’m cheap too, but practical.
One thing you did not mention is that the outlets get worn as you plug and unplug the connector. As well as a hazard in a damp or wet environment. The wear and tear on the outlet may cause resistance in the connection as well as the terminals inside. Resistance in electrical creates heat. Bottom line on this is invest in the charger if you plan to keep your mobile charger with you in the car. Which is a very good idea so you don't get stranded.
He also didn't mention the extra costs for an outlet vs. hardwired install, which can easily reach $250. Just buy the the wall connector and keep the mobile charger in the car. It's really a no brainer. Especially for a person who can afford a Tesla.
Every time Raj says “you want a FULL charge overnight” I hear Elon’s voice saying “only to 90% please”.
I read "full charge" to mean "charge up to your set limit".
Most people don't do a full charge overnight. They do a 25% or 30% charge every night to get it back to about 80% before morning.
Scott Breseke We USED TO all charge to only 80% - until Elon and then the engineering technical bulletin all said “90% has no significant battery degradation over the life of the vehicle”. I believe he said “use the additional capacity and enjoy it - that’s why we upgraded it” (I’m paraphrasing there but it’s an oft repeated quote he makes)
Ha. I remember the early days 2013 (lol) when I’d snoop around my friends’ garages and drag out their dryers and plug my car in 😂
Yeah! Me too
I still do that! My parents live in the middle of CA which time (and progress) has forgotten- no supper charger for at least 60 miles in any direction. By the time I drive there and do my running around visiting fam, almost never enough to make it to Bakersfield (without driving 55mph without AC) to supercharge before returning to LA so I’m always on the hunt for convenient 240 source! Old Electric dryers have been a gold mine!
The situation in Australia is different. The car comes with the HPWC as standard. A standard electrical outlet here is 240 Volts. I had no spare sockets in the garage, so I had my HPWC installed on a separate circuit to my garage.
I have a Tesla wall connector and it’s hooked up via a 100amp circuit. It’s AWESOME and pumps out 50miles/hour of charge!
Per Tesla.com
Wall Connector Features
Up to 44 miles (77 km) of range per hour
Sounds nice but you must have an older Model S or X with dual onboard chargers and an older Gen 1 or 2 Wall Connector. The onboard chargers of current Teslas max out at 48 amps/11.5 kW with the exception that the Model 3 SR/SR+ maxes out at 32 amps/7.7 kW. See www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/wall-connector.
This may be the dumbest Tesla related video I’ve ever seen.
No one talks about the cost running the new circuit. I did it myself and it still cost $300 in wire and materials (75 feet of 6-2, a circuit breaker, some conduit to go up the inside of the garage.). And this was all in a crawl space, add some more time and money if you need to rip out dry wall. So you're likely to find yourself spending well over a $1000 which ever way you do this. At that point, you may as well get the wall connector. The convenience can't be beat. The shape of it is designed to hold the cord and it does this job well.
My only mistake was not going for 4AWG, you can run 60 Amps through 6 AWG, but this is not to current code; since we plan on selling the house in a couple years, I used a 50 amp breaker.
While I'm happy with the wall connector, I do worry about the next car or the inevitable conversion to some NEMA IEC SAE standard. Tesla's chargers do not need a neutral wire, you can just run the two phases. This is not true of a NEMA outlet and some other chargers. Consider running all three conductors even if you don't need the third one, even though this is another not absolutely necessary cost.
Raj... exactly. Most people forget today’s Tesla’s can’t take as much amperage from a 240v outlet any more, ie our Model 3, plugged into a 14-50 outlet, can only draw 32 amps. Which has always been more than fast enough. In fact to be easier on the life of the battery, I have the car set to charge at an even slower rate with 18 amps, again more than fast enough for any overnight charge. And if need be, I can dial it back up to 32A from within the car. When we travel, like you say, I just unplug the UMC cable (along with some other adapters), throw it in the frunk and go. I’ve been doing this since our 2013 Model S, not once have I ever needed more. A 14-50 outlet, with its $35 adapter, is a very smart way to go!
I own a Tesla and I have a wall charger. I get 42 miles per hour when charging. I charge in off-peak hours. I've never had an issue. That's my two cents.
(USA) I ordered my Model Y LR AWD on Tuesday, August 25th in Orlando, through a friend's referral code. 3-5 week delivery for the Tesla. I'm putting in home charging and hired an electrician who quoted $200 labor for the actual install and $195 for the breaker and the waterproof box housing the 14-50 plug. I had to get a 50 amp GFI breaker (local code requirement) specific to my electrical panel. Because the plant that makes these has been shut down in Mexico due to COVID-19, the part was hard to come by and cost $155! The 14-50 plug housed in a waterproof box was $40. So it would cost $855 for the electrician, breaker and Tesla's Wall Connector. I opted for the waterproof box in my garage which will cost a total of $430 (electrician $200, breaker $155, waterproof box $40, and 14-50 adapter plug $35). Should be done next week.
FYI, with the 220 plug, you loose some electricity, between 5%-10%. so you will loose some money. after 100s of charges, it counts. The wall connector regulates the flow. so get the wall connector.
Remember that the mobile charger is plugged into an outlet with a GFCI breaker. This breaker costs a lot more than a normal breaker without GFCI. The Wall Connector required non GFCI breaker.
So you need to add the cost difference to the Mobile Connector solution.
In my home that uses the thinnest kind of breakers, my 50A breaker costs 80$. GFCI breaker at 50A is non existent at various hardware stores. Could not find 60A breaker that fit my panel either.
For me, the cost delta is less than 100$. I went with the Wall Connector.
And .... I installed all that myself as I know well home electricity and every single wire, breaker in the main panel. The proper methods are also followed carefully including tighten the screws with a torque screw driver at certain torque settings.
Had my wall connector installed with 100 amp circuit.....i believe that is what is needed for when I get my 2nd wall connector. It should split the amperage when charging 2 Teslas.
Public Service announcement. Not all 240 plugs can handle the amperage. There’s a toggle on the back of your tesla wall connector where you can physically set the amperage your wire can handle.
I wouldn’t recommend swapping plugs out on your home and plugging in your wall connector without adjusting it and checking the appropriate amperage.
I agree with some of the comments below you can never beat a wall charger, it charges twice as fast as anything else and you don’t have to pack your cord in and out of your trunk, you only have it there for emergencies, wall charger also looks much neater and cooler than having dangling wires all over the place. And I don’t recommend using a supercharger all the time because it’s going to decrease the amount of miles your battery will have over the years. I have a model X with a wall mounts at my office and at home no pooling cord out of my trunk it’s the best thing ever and as they say below worth every penny!
I got the wall connector. I figured for what I was paying for the car what's another $500. I'm glad I spent the extra money. It's nice to come back home from a trip that uses almost all your battery up and be able to leave again in a short period of time. Especially in winter temps where you 'll get less range. It's not huge in size either. I got the 20 ft length to be safe for charging outside of my garage if someone comes over and needs to charge also. No electrician needed where I live , I installed my own.
STRONGLY RECOMMEND EVERYONE to check your State, Utility, and of course Federal Rebates.
As of Sept 2020, Federal Rebate on EVSE is $1000 (including installation cost). In the state of Maryland where I live, you can have MULTIPLE chargers and MULTIPLE REBATES.
The utility grants $300 per charger, State 40%, and like I said Federal is up to $1000 in a given year.
I got MORE cash back in rebates than my Wall Charger + other Parts cost w/tax in total.
I paid $500, received a $200 rebate + $200 federal tax credit. Totally worth it! And even without the rebate and credit I’d still buy it for convenience.
The Wall Connector is a one time charge. It charges faster than the 240V outlet and when a faster charge is needed from time to time, it's worth it. An outlet is cheaper to install but if located outside, theft of the adapter is very easy. Not an issue with Wall Connector, as they are wired in. They are also dedicated to the owner and won't work even if stolen.
Yeah, the wall connector is expensive. So is a Tesla automobile. However, comma, I mounted mine outside next to the garage door. It will reach inside in the unlikely event I park in the garage. It will reach any of the three spots on the driveway. In my case, it took a 50 amp breaker, 20 feet of wire, some conduit, and a Saturday afternoon to install. Looks nifty under my "TESLA PARKING ONLY - All others will be CHARGED" sign the kids gave me for Christmas. Frankly, if you can afford a Tesla, you can afford a WC. Don't buy an expensive car and put retreads on it.
Also, I've given a couple of Tesla users a reacharound when they got caught short in my area. Got a couple of bottles of corn squeezings for my trouble, although I didn't ask for it.
I bought the connector kit for the charging adapter for road trips. It lives safely in the frunk, and I can't forget it.
One thing, though... If you are going to install a wall socket and power plug, get quality Hubbell or similar brand gear from Grainger or a local electrical supply house. The Home Despot or Lowe's stuff is not necessarily top quality. The house you save may be your own.
An important point to note is that the actual charger is inside the car and not in the wall connector hence the name. The model 3 is limited to 48A when charging for any AC source. The mobile connector is limited to 32A while you could take full advantage of the 48A charger if u had a the wall connector.
The model s and x with larger battery packs can charge faster than 48A from their AC source because they have a bigger charger built in.
For me charging over night from 20% to 90% takes 8-9 hrs. Thats way more than just ideal for typical daily driving.
I installed a 14-50 dryer plug in my garage and it charged my M3 at 29 MPH range and used it for over 2 years but then found a new in the box Tesla Charge on CL and got it for $375. I connected it to a 60 amp breaker and it charges my car at 41MPH of range. Not a crazy amount more but a decent amount. Now I can take my portable charger with me all the time which is nice, there were a couple of times I didn't have it and whished I did. Your right though the 14-50 is plenty at least until you can later upgrade if you like at some point like I did.
The one comment regarding wall connector and 50 amp circuit isn't clear. The wall connector can run on a 60 amp circuit and use 48 amps max. The mobile charger maxes out at 30amp. There may be benefits when warming the car in the winter having 48amps!
My 240V circuit has a 40A breaker and will only charge the car at 32A weather i use the mobile connector or the wall connector. So unless your 240V circuit has a 50A breaker or bigger there is no benefit other than convenience when going on road trips.
I use my mobile charger, when going on a trip, you won't forget the charger because you would have been charging overnight to 100% anyway so at the moment you unplug the car you take another 30 seconds to put the charger in its bag. Half the cable is already coiled up anyway (in my case), you probably won't need the full length to un ravel for charging.
The mobile connector is for emergency cases where you have no other possibility to charge. It is not meant to use in the long run. The wall connecter has a RCD and is much safer. The normal outlets are not meant to be used with such high amp for many hours.
Buy and install the wall connector in 2020 because there’s a 20% federal tax credit for it which brings the cost down to $350 excluding installation costs. Also keeping the mobile connector in the car at all times gives some peace of mind if you can’t get to a supercharger but have access to an outlet if you’re away from home.
Maybe good to realize that not everybody lives in the US. 😉
For us here in Europe the wall connector is still one of the best options for “fast” charging at home and for a relatively low price!
We use 220V @ 16A on our standard outlets and don’t have a “NEMA 1050” equivalent with a higher Amp fuse.
The wall connector can be connected with three times 220V @ 16A and will give you around 70Km/h / 44M/h recharge speeds.
Yes, it's unfortunate that most of the RUclips channels that are U.S. based and talk about Tesla charging don't know to even say that the topic only applies to North America.
The wall connector can use a 60A breaker, so a Model 3 will charge at 44 miles per hour. The Nema 14-50 with a 50A breaker would charge at 36 miles per hour. If you have 10 hours to charge, it’s not a material difference, but if you share the connector speed is important.
Not all model 3 charges at 44 miles an hour. The M3SR only takes 32A , 30 miles an hour, even if the Wall Connector can provide 48A.
In some countries, like Switzerland where I live (possibly also germany), it is mandatory to also install an AC protection device of some sort. The Tesla wallconector does not have that built in. So in total you‘re looking at around 1200-1500 Dollars. Be careful and find out if the area or the house you live in requires additional protection! Note, some wallboxes do have that protection built in, which is why I use the Juice Booster. However I have no idea if that is available outside of europe.
What kind of AC protection device are you talking about? The latest version of wall connector has built in ground fault protection, and its on a circuit with a breaker.
@paul smith i am no electrician nor native english speaker. But it appears from google/wikipedia that i am talking about a residual-current device, which is mandatory for wallboxes in switzerland. I dont know if that is the same thing as you described. But i do know that additional installation would be required to use the tesla wallconector in my country. I just want to make people aware that maybe the wallconector and the cable to your outlet is not enough.
The Tesla wall charger interacts with the Tesla app on your phone so you can always check up on it and the progress made - you forgot to mention that. I say your option is valid if you are unsure of your future with EV’s, will you always stick with Tesla? Many options appearing and 2022 and 2023 the option will explode with far more options - maybe you’ll want something else 5 years down the road (no pun intended) and a NEMA plug can also work for that. However, a study found over 90% of Tesla owners would want to get another Tesla.
What if I don't have a garage? If its just out in open in my driveway, if its just a nema there is nothing preventing someone from coming in and unplugging my car, or taking my cable connecter away when I leave it in daytime when im at office?
I agree with what you said, but I do have the wall connector at home. The reasons I went with the wall connector are: 1) I think it looks a lot nicer in the garage 2) I don't have to pack and unpack my mobile connector 3) I am a trained electrician, so install was free other than materials (wiring, etc)
For the WC and 60amp breaker, what AWG is required?
If you forget you mobile charger at home on a long trip, you will regret it. If you use the mobile charger, you need to pack it up and put it in the car every time you charge. If you buy a spare mobile for the car so you don’t need to pack every time, you might as well have bought a wall connector. Faster rate of wall connector helps when you need to charge ASAP.
I totally think it was worth it to get the Tesla WC. I had a Tesla WC installed, 60 A circuit and get about 45 mi/ hour. I charged for the first year for my model 3 using a combo of supercharging and 110V snail charge. It was ok, but having the Tesla WC is way better and can charge up the car pretty quickly. We are getting a Y and so will be charging out two EVs so I would prefer to charge up as fast as we can. I also like to keep my mobile connector in my car so I don’t need to remember to throw it in the car for trips.
The value add is when your friends and family ask ‘how long does it take to charge?’ You can Convert them if it’s...’about 1-2 hours over night’ vs ‘7-8 hours’. They always ask those things...
Tell them that it depends on where you are. If you're on the go, it can charge at 1000 miles of range per hour max when on road trips but it wears your battery more, and that's as much power as a city block. When you are just at home or a store or work and charge, it is maybe 40 miles an hour but it will be full soon anyway by the next day.
For most people, 120v level 1 charge at 2kw is enough honestly.
200mi range, you drive 20 miles a day and it recharges fully overnight.
If you drive 150 miles, then come home, yes, it won't be full by the time you wake up but by the 3rd day it will be. And when you do road trips you supercharge anyway.
Why do you want spend $500+ to “convert” people? What “value” does that add? If you’re installing a wall connector just to push cars on your friends and family for the referral Supercharger hours that’s kinda creepy
@@drdrew3 Well, I think it's that electric cars are awesome, and when you say "8 hours" they're picturing filling up gas for 8 hours.
Consider that the mobile connector is not meant to be an everyday use, I used mine for a little more than 3 years and one day it stopped working. The circuitry fried, I had to get a wall connector that took 2 weeks to get, so in the mean time i had to go out and supper charge and the super charges are spread far apart. Just an FYI
You don't get either charger free with new tesla's you might as well pay a little more for the wall connector $425 over the mobile connector $230