Not fully correct. Look at the cabinet label - each is rectifying 500 kW - but at least two (maybe 3) cabinets - each supplying 4 stalls - can share their DC intermediate bus. SuC v3 typically do not come with less than two cabinets (8 stalls - very few are partially populated down to 6 stalls). Meaning 4 completely empty cars can all get 250kW simultaneously. A random mix of variably full cars can also charge at their respective maximum power (which tapers off beyond 40% SOC), so for all practical purposes, each v3 always delivers full power (if the connector is not dirty, battery warmed up, etc). Obviously this would not stop the blokes of TopGear to prepare 8 Teslas, drive them all down to
That's incorrect. In v3, every 4 stalls (say 1A to 1D) share 350kW between them, as well as a shared DC bus for an additional 575kW (which comes either from neighbouring stalls or a battery.)
If you are at a busy V2 supercharger site, (which shares power between two stalls), you can see the states of charge of each vehicle by how fast the light is flashing green where you plug in. The ones flashing slowest are more fully charged and taking less power, so would be better to share with to get a faster charge.
V2 superchargers split loads between two chargers form one 150kw transformer. V3 Supercharger splits power from a 1MW transformer and so all 4 chargers are get 250kw at the same time. This may be limited by the grid connection in the area. Also V3 chargers have a thinner cable as they are water cooled. Plus model 3 and Ys cannot charge at 22kw on AC charger, they are limited to 11kw. Model S and Xs can be upgraded to 16.5kw from the 11kw for older models. Some really old models had twin chargers in the car so could do 22kw. But all new S and X cars can handel 16.5kw as standard.
Its really sad that tesla dropped support for 22kw OBC, there are definitely places in france where you have plenty of free 22kw AC chargers with little to no alternative.
3:36, the CCS Cable, note the "top half" of the CCS cable is actually missing the four alternating current AC pins (N, L1, L2, L3), since it's not used in this instance. It's a Combo 2 cable, It's just the 3 remaining pins for two communication contacts and a protective earth.
That's correct for those Superchargers. Many other vehicle models could not use them for that reason, even if Tesla opened up their network. Prices will be interesting, too. I'd presume that Tesla drivers will pay less.
Old Tesla S and X change DC also with the old plug on Superchargers max kW in Europe +-150 kW. Also only old Model S (pre face lift) can Change 22 kW AC with double change ombord. TM3 can only change 11 kW AC... S and X change 16.5 kW now days with AC....
Regarding charging, from Autocar today: “Tesla has begun a pilot scheme that allows drivers of other manufacturers' electric vehicles to use 10 of its Supercharger charging sites in the Netherlands.”
@@richardholdway9335 I've seen reports that you can get the same £/kWh if you pay a monthly subscription of around £13. You'd need to do the maths on whether that's worth it -v- the non-subscribed rate.
Not sure about the UK but in Scandinavia the idle fee for staying connected after your charge is finished comes to £1 per minute, so no one overstays their welcome! My local supercharger station has 8 bays and I've only ever seen one other car apart from mine using them. On the navigation map, if you touch the icon with the number on it that indicates free charging stalls available, you can see the tech details of the station & how many Kw it can supply.
A very informative presentation - but I have an 11th question which is important to me. How does an electric vehicle driver charge while towing a caravan or boat? Surely not by parking sideways across the line of chargers! Is it necessary to uncouple each and every time?
Newer sites have long bays for this. Also as more electric trucks and buses hit the road, larger bays will be provided. Check out what Gridserve are up to.
Technically can still be shared depending on power supply. Outside of the US they typically come in groups of 3 and I believe typically share an up to 500kW cabinet. So if you got 3 low charge LR/Ps plugging in at the same time, they would be restricted. Practically that's unlikely. Australia's most southerly supercharger (in Devonport, Tasmania) shares 350kW between 3 V3s for example.
Most of the time, it's the delay to certify that they are connected to the grid correctly.. Sometimes (depending on the region) you can actually start using chargers early but at a massively reduced rate (grid rate) until someone comes to do the certifying. But sadly this seems to be few and far between.
Call it a customised Type2.. it's got an extra triangular bit of plastic/ key to stop it fitting into a regular Type 2 slot, and ensuring it can only be used in a S/X. It's quite different to the US/Canada/Japan Telsa Proprietary Connector which is more of an Oval shape.
@@mark123655 The only customization is that extra bit of plastic that stops it from being plugged into non-Tesla cars (and newer Teslas with CCS), otherwise it's a normal CCS-Mid. (I would have loved to write "standard CCS-Mid", but CCS-Mid was kicked out of the standard after Tesla began using it.)
@@HenryLoenwindType2 was never designed to use DC across it. Ot to be able to use AC or DC switchable. A plug standard defines precisely what each pin in a connector does..
Same way your light switch is RATED for 10 amps at 250v. Doesn't mean the switch is delivering that to your bulb, just that the device has been designed to be beefcake enough to handle it without exploding.
Home DC fast chargers are going to be quite popular for the super rich. $150k is spare change for these people and it will certainly add value to their properties.
At least 2, possibly 3 cabinets of SuC v3 can share power - thus the A/B issue does not even apply between 1A-D/2A-D any more (also see my other commend on why a v3 effectively always gives maximum power) Also, the Mennekes Plug was designed such, that if you forcefully extract it (from the car, or the Wallbox, if that only has a socket), the plastic in the cable plug should give first - not the pin / locking mechanism in the socket. Obviously, there are cost savings measures in play - in particular on the car socket side - and it is not unheard of, that the pin mechanism will give before the plastic of the plug is torn...
If I wanted to install a Tesla supercharger in my house, could I not just connect it to the DNO side of the incoming fuse and then I’m getting free supercharging miles again…
Always wondered what actually fed into EVs , be it AC or DC. Lots of good info. Wonder what the position would be if you lost or had a faulty phone? How would you disconnect from the charger? Thanks for posting.
You get a keycard with the car to use as a key. You can unlock the car, drive it etc with that. Using your phone as a key is a handy bonus, but not required. I always keep my keycard in my wallet in case I lose my phone, or it runs out of charge etc.
You can unlock via the central screen (stop charging). Your car must be unlocked (but since you're touching the screen it'd be a poser how you got inside while it was locked ;-) ) There's also an emergency unlock cable pull (pure hardware) in the boot if everything fails.
You can stop charging and unlock the charge port from the screen inside, you have a seprate key card to unolck from outside. Don't keep that card in your phone holder.
Jorden used to be massive Zappi fans, and I don't remember them saying anything otherwise, other than the NEW Tesla Chargers are better now than the older ones, which meant he replaced his own personal Zappi for a Tesla unit... They have been installing Hypervolt chargers, but according to their videos, the newer Hypervolts have actually lost a useful feature and Cory was not very happy about that, but, it only affects people who want to install a Hypervolt outside of their wifi range.. I hope this helps.
@@ColinRichardson thank you for this. I am getting quotes in for hypervolt. It’ll be next to the wifi so no problem. I need a longer tether which kind of narrows it down to this. I will try to get some Zappi quotes in as well. Any thoughts on Ohme?
@@jayp9059 I have no personal experience and I am unaware of any Artisan videos on them. (They may exist, and I missed them). I do not remember off the top of my head what internal protection the Hypervolts have. A re-watch of Artisan videos on the subject would be good. They *MAY* require an additional ..... ..... the term escapes me, "earth fault protection" maybe.. So that could be a hidden cost other than the basic "charing unit" I believe the Zappi has them built in as far as I remember. But, please, don't take anything I say here as gospel, I may be out of date on my information, each product may have changed. Or I could just remembering everything backwards.. But, I would definitely ask for EVERY device you are looking at quotes for, what the built in protection devices are, and which would be needed externally to the units... This was one of the things that made the earlier versions of the Tesla destination chargers a bad choice, because the charging unit itself had basically NO protection for itself, it was ALL required to be external. It's why their chargers looked all small and sleek.. It basically didn't do anything. Their newer ones are better, but I can't actually tell you what protection they have now, as I simply do not remember. But, it is all in the Artisan videos.
@@ColinRichardson Thanks Colin... The Hypervolt does have internal protection hence, no requirement for an earth rod. a sales rep at Tesla suggested the hypervolt but i will get quotes for Zappi and ohme for sure.. thanks again
Afaik, all Ev's are capable of being charged on a domestic supply. The cost of havi g a 7kW charger fitted at a domestic premises varies dependent upon many factors relating to the complexity of each installation and what model of charger you choose that has the features that you desire, but generally speaking cost upwards of £500 here in the UK.
Excellent very informative video - thanks. Please let us know as soon as Tesla allow other makes of electric cars to charge at their chargers. I am happy to have an account to pay. I so need not to have range anxiety with our present chargers not working etc. Thank you 😊
No need to open the charge port door, it opens automatically when you take the cable out the holster. Also model 3 AC charger is 11kW not 22 kW as stated.
Ahh Very interesting about Supercharger pretty fast. Yes I saw the same thing. I wondered How many max amps are on your house's main lines? My house's meter shows 30kw. I don't know how many amps my house has. Thumbs up! Cheers!
Most UK homes have 100A supply, so 24kw. That said you only need 7kw for a home charger. Anything else is overkill, and will cost a fortune as you then need 3 phase power installed.
There isn’t any timetable for Tesla opening the supercharger network in the U.K. and it is unlikely to be for all other EVs. The main problem is the location of the charge port, and it’s likely that only cars that have a charge port in a location that suits the supercharger eg left rear or front right.
Yep. When Elon says "soon" it could mean a long time.. Cable length / port location is one problem, they will likely need a new stall design. Second thing is Tesla will need a third party app and account, or some credit card reader. I suspect they'll roll out first in locations where there is government funding available for fast chargers, but only if it's all access.
There's nothing stopping any automaker from making cars that could be driven off, but as the car knows it is talking to a charger, it is trivial to put that safety measure into place.
Great video as always. I wish we had a standard connector in the US. Here, Tesla uses a proprietary connector rather than J-1772/ CCS. I'm curious how the sharing with other EVs will be handled.
Tesla made their own connector as there wasn’t a standard that could cope with the amount of amps they wanted to use. Then CCS was created as a standard. So subsequent cars came out with CCS as standard for outside the US.
I guess you can also drive 600 miles without stopping for a toilet break on a full tank of diesel right? By the time you’ve gone to the toilet and got a coffee you’ll likely be charged and ready to go.
Great video. Some people may be wondering how much charging at a Tesla supercharger cost if you don’t have free charging. So for reference to these people, it’s between £0.30 to £0.40 per kWh. So a bit less than Ionity or other rapid chargers
What if a wild animal or person with a weapon comes up to you in your car while it is charging. Now you have to get out to disconnect the charge cable.
You mentioned Tesla opening up the Supercharger use to any other EV shortly, as I understand, only certain EV brands have the infrastructure installed to organise the payment for charging, I think only Mercedes and Porsche could currently qualify.
This is very poor information and only encourages people to try plugging in and get a charge causing a lot of annoyance as it blocks chargers. In the US there is potentially large Goverment funding available for infrastructure developments Tesla wont get any of this funding as the network is closed and they would need to open it up some way hence Elons comments trying to encourage policy makers to look favorably on Tesla. Opening up the SuC network in the UK wouldn't be a game changer as it wont even scratch the surface of what's required. Despite what people think there are lots of alternatives for charging in the UK but it needs to catch up fast with Europe or the 2030 deadline will be just a pipe dream
On charging... I've been to a EV6 dealership event in London and the guy giving the presentation said KIA has already got an agreement with TESLA in the US to use there charging network and they will soon have an agreement in Europe too. So far I've only heard about Elon Musk on Twitter say they will open up the charging network to other car companies but nothing about which companies. This guy may have let the cat out of the bag before any official press release. I assume Hyundai will be in the agreement as well, but he only mentioned KIA.
10:37 charging at 7kW at home is great if you have 230V but US and Canada 120V *15A (1.8kW) is standard. It's a pain to get an outdoors plug installed with 240V 30A (6.9kW) circuit. I'd need a new panel installed in my old home, probably need my house re-wired, it opens a can of worms and $$$.
You didn’t talk about partial charges and how long it takes to give just a hundred miles. Sometimes that’s enough to handle what your trip requires. Also I hope you invested in Tesla stock, yes a whole different subject, it went up over 12% in one day. It was probably based on the Hertz auto rental buying 100,000 Tesla’s
The charge rate is dependent on the state of charge. It starts to taper off at around 50% and falls off a cliff at 80% It's faster to pull in at 20 and only charge to 80. Also, with the NMC chemistry Tesla uses, it's better for battery life.
Tesla's are good cars, but there is one thing about Teslas that annoy me to the point that I'm on the fence about if I wanna purchase one: You cannot repair almost anything on it without taking it back to Tesla, which usually costs double or even triple the amount an independent shop usually would take. If Tesla is gonna make the rules about "my car", I'd rather find something else that i actually "own". I'm all for Right to Repair!
The high costs of repairs, and the horror stories on some prominent RUclips channels about the glacially slow repair times are the two main reason we didn't buy a Tesla. The third reason is recharging costs. Our ZE50 gives us a genuine 250+ miles of Summer range, in the U.K. I've confirmed that, driving normally on mixed roads, with a passenger and fairly heavy luggage, and it really does go further than Renault claim it can do. It can charge at up to 50 kW for 25p per kWh, meaning that the average recharge would be less than 30 minutes but we get free 22 kW 3-phase charging at the same stations. We've never needed to recharge at 50 kW, so electricity has cost us nothing for the past 3,000 miles of driving. Tesla does not offer free recharging to purchasers of new vehicles.
FYI .. there aint NO tesla superchargers in birmingham, on M6 you got them at J1 rugby services then wolverhampton, non on M6 toll, on M42 you got them at J2 redditch then non till nottingham, non on m5 till J14, on M40 at warwick services but no tesla superchargers in birmingham itself, not 1 at the airport, NEC or birmingham international rail station.
I've seen a lorry attempt to drive away right in front of me with the diesel pump nozzle still in his tank. I was sitting behind him waiting to use the pump and was slow to sound my horn because my ignition was off and I had to turn that on first. The pump sort of bent at the top, then all the panels popped off and it turned into a diesel fountain. I had to go elsewhere to refuel my lorry.
When non teslas are able to charge, the supercharger network gets busier and it gets harder to find a free one? I do hope they expand capacity.. really need these other electric charging companies to keep maintaining their network better as the number of times they don't work or out of order is shocking.
I guess lots of people would be perfectly happy if they could have a dummy supercharger stall, powered by a normal wall charger type 2 cable at home. When they ask you about installing a Supercharger at home, you don’t have to take the request LITERALLY. People tend to reason by approximation. The average customer is not equipped to know what it takes to power a supercharger, and thank god they aren’t, otherwise most professionals would be out of a job. As ugly as Tesla stalls can be, maybe someone would like to have something iconic in their driveway, without expecting REAL supercharger performance. I reckon if someone were to spoof Tesla’s design for home chargers, they’d make plenty of money, quite possibly followed by a cease and desist order
So according to signage, it’s illegal to charge the car as each charger has a no parking sign next to the bay. Therefore you can quite lawfully get a parking ticket charging your car.
The top section of the sign describes the allowed parking restrictions (In this case only EV's) the yellow section of the sign outlines the restrictions if you don't fit into that category (in this case, no other allowances).
You need to invent a device that will make your Tesla a Powerwall when you plug it in your house. That way you could get free electricity in your house.
What is the life expectancy of the batteries on electric vehicles? Doesn't a rapid charge or short bursts of charge cause the batteries to have less of a lifespan?
You've got an 8yr warranty on most brands that they won't lose more than 20-30% range. And you've got some hire car models of S/X in the US that have done 500k+ miles LA-SF return almost always supercharging that are still going strong. Ideally you slow charge at home, and only use superchargers on long trips.
Unlikely. In the UK, about 60% of homes have off street parking and will charge at home. Imagine 60% of petrol cars never visiting a petrol station ever again. That’s what is coming.
V3 chargers don't share power and they have water cooled cables. No other cars can or will use them for years that may happen in the US but looks unlikely
While charging, could you have put the car in neutral, released the handbrake, and let the car roll away until the charge cable ripped itself out of the car? Probably not, but you didn’t test it🤣🤣
Nope! 🤣First of all, few EVs and no Tesla cars have handbrakes, they are superfluous. Parking brakes lock the discs. Secondly, you can’t move the vehicle whilst charging 👍
@@edwardbyard6540 Also, I'm rather sure the car wouldn't open the charge port door unless in park. Or switch to park when you open it, or at the very least when you insert a plug (e.g. after manually forcing it open).
Tesla shouldn’t allow general access to their superchargers. It’s madness , I’ve only bought a Tesla because of the exclusivity of their chargers. I should have bought a Kia or a MachE.
Fact is, no one knows when the network will be available to other cars. At the moment, many models are not compatible. Cable length, positioning and account for payment. No time soon as you suggested on the video buddy. Miss-informing others is not a good practice.
@@GregHassler They may in theory, but at a Version 2 SC if 2 cars share the same it cuts the charge rate in half which does not happen with Gen3 Superchargers...
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The v3 chargers use 1MW cabinet which gives 250KW to all 4 chargers so you don’t share power with other cars on the same cabinet.
are they all like that, or just capable of that, would have thought some sites have power limits that can still restrict charge rate.
@@edc1569 yes, they are all 250kW
Not fully correct. Look at the cabinet label - each is rectifying 500 kW - but at least two (maybe 3) cabinets - each supplying 4 stalls - can share their DC intermediate bus. SuC v3 typically do not come with less than two cabinets (8 stalls - very few are partially populated down to 6 stalls). Meaning 4 completely empty cars can all get 250kW simultaneously. A random mix of variably full cars can also charge at their respective maximum power (which tapers off beyond 40% SOC), so for all practical purposes, each v3 always delivers full power (if the connector is not dirty, battery warmed up, etc). Obviously this would not stop the blokes of TopGear to prepare 8 Teslas, drive them all down to
That's incorrect. In v3, every 4 stalls (say 1A to 1D) share 350kW between them, as well as a shared DC bus for an additional 575kW (which comes either from neighbouring stalls or a battery.)
If you are at a busy V2 supercharger site, (which shares power between two stalls), you can see the states of charge of each vehicle by how fast the light is flashing green where you plug in. The ones flashing slowest are more fully charged and taking less power, so would be better to share with to get a faster charge.
V2 superchargers split loads between two chargers form one 150kw transformer.
V3 Supercharger splits power from a 1MW transformer and so all 4 chargers are get 250kw at the same time. This may be limited by the grid connection in the area.
Also V3 chargers have a thinner cable as they are water cooled.
Plus model 3 and Ys cannot charge at 22kw on AC charger, they are limited to 11kw. Model S and Xs can be upgraded to 16.5kw from the 11kw for older models. Some really old models had twin chargers in the car so could do 22kw. But all new S and X cars can handel 16.5kw as standard.
The cable is water cooled?
Its really sad that tesla dropped support for 22kw OBC, there are definitely places in france where you have plenty of free 22kw AC chargers with little to no alternative.
3:36, the CCS Cable, note the "top half" of the CCS cable is actually missing the four alternating current AC pins (N, L1, L2, L3), since it's not used in this instance. It's a Combo 2 cable, It's just the 3 remaining pins for two communication contacts and a protective earth.
That's correct for those Superchargers. Many other vehicle models could not use them for that reason, even if Tesla opened up their network. Prices will be interesting, too. I'd presume that Tesla drivers will pay less.
Item one, don’t push the flap, just press the button on the charger handle and the flap will open…..
I wondered if that would work. Teslas in the US use a proprietary connector and there's no button on the supercharger plug.
@@mikescott58 there is a button on UK supercharger plugs..
@@mikescott58 Actually there is that button on every SC plug I've ever seen.
I press the button on the charger next to the flap and the flap will open?? Every day's a school day!
and when unplugging, just press and hold the button and unplug right away
I see your alloys have kissed the curbs a few times ;)
We can't get into this supercharger substation as it's heavily guarded and protected, he says whilst looking back at the unlocked padlock @ 6.23!!!!
Old Tesla S and X change DC also with the old plug on Superchargers max kW in Europe +-150 kW. Also only old Model S (pre face lift) can Change 22 kW AC with double change ombord. TM3 can only change 11 kW AC... S and X change 16.5 kW now days with AC....
If you unhook the cable and press the button it will open the flap for you
Regarding charging, from Autocar today: “Tesla has begun a pilot scheme that allows drivers of other manufacturers' electric vehicles to use 10 of its Supercharger charging sites in the Netherlands.”
Also you pay more to charge up than Tesla owners
@@richardholdway9335 I've seen reports that you can get the same £/kWh if you pay a monthly subscription of around £13. You'd need to do the maths on whether that's worth it -v- the non-subscribed rate.
😡 crazy allowing non Tesla cars access to Tesla superchargers 😡
Not sure about the UK but in Scandinavia the idle fee for staying connected after your charge is finished comes to £1 per minute, so no one overstays their welcome!
My local supercharger station has 8 bays and I've only ever seen one other car apart from mine using them.
On the navigation map, if you touch the icon with the number on it that indicates free charging stalls available, you can see the tech details of the station & how many Kw it can supply.
For unlock I find it easiest to just press and hold the button to ensure it remains unlocked 👍
6:21 - So heavily guarded that the padlock in the background is undone...
AFAIK the third generation superchargers don't divide their power input with the stalls next to.
A very informative presentation - but I have an 11th question which is important to me. How does an electric vehicle driver charge while towing a caravan or boat? Surely not by parking sideways across the line of chargers! Is it necessary to uncouple each and every time?
Newer sites have long bays for this. Also as more electric trucks and buses hit the road, larger bays will be provided. Check out what Gridserve are up to.
Great to bump into you at Charnock Richard superchargers! Hope you enjoyed your trip up north
v3 SuperChargers do not share power at all. There are 4 x 250KW chargers powered from one cabinet hence ABCD. v2Supercharger do share between A and B
Thanks!
Technically can still be shared depending on power supply.
Outside of the US they typically come in groups of 3 and I believe typically share an up to 500kW cabinet.
So if you got 3 low charge LR/Ps plugging in at the same time, they would be restricted. Practically that's unlikely.
Australia's most southerly supercharger (in Devonport, Tasmania) shares 350kW between 3 V3s for example.
Looks to me like Trumpington P&R. I have just ordered a Tesla Model 3. Expecting it in March. Can't wait. Great video by the way. Subbed.
It seemed to take months for those to be installed. Would have been interesting to compare them to the older chargers near that Park and Ride site.
Most of the time, it's the delay to certify that they are connected to the grid correctly..
Sometimes (depending on the region) you can actually start using chargers early but at a massively reduced rate (grid rate) until someone comes to do the certifying. But sadly this seems to be few and far between.
The other connector on a 2-plug is not a type 2, it's Tesla's proprietory connector used on the models S and X in the UK
It is exactly as Jordan said. The Tesla connector never made it to the U.K. The model S had a Type 2 that could also supercharge.
Call it a customised Type2.. it's got an extra triangular bit of plastic/ key to stop it fitting into a regular Type 2 slot, and ensuring it can only be used in a S/X.
It's quite different to the US/Canada/Japan Telsa Proprietary Connector which is more of an Oval shape.
@@mark123655 The only customization is that extra bit of plastic that stops it from being plugged into non-Tesla cars (and newer Teslas with CCS), otherwise it's a normal CCS-Mid. (I would have loved to write "standard CCS-Mid", but CCS-Mid was kicked out of the standard after Tesla began using it.)
@@HenryLoenwindType2 was never designed to use DC across it. Ot to be able to use AC or DC switchable. A plug standard defines precisely what each pin in a connector does..
Very informative ... I have gained so much knowledge on EV matters from Artisan Electrics
Thanks for sharing the information !
Very interesting vlog, thank you.
Trumpington Park and Ride, so close to M11, Addenbrookes and Papworth Hospitals
Can you install Tesla home chargers in the Manchester area?
If not, then can you recommend anyone?
What are the advantages of a Tesla charger at home?
Where did you get 250kW with 1000 Volt DC and 425 Amp DC ?
Rated for 1000V, rated for 425A. Doesn't mean it supplies 425A at 1000V.
Same way your light switch is RATED for 10 amps at 250v. Doesn't mean the switch is delivering that to your bulb, just that the device has been designed to be beefcake enough to handle it without exploding.
How many curbs have you hit in that thing
You don’t have to tap the charge cover to open it. There’s a button on the charger handle that will open it for you.
Good video, thanks.
Great video for new owners
v3 Chargers don’t share power, so it doesn’t matter about the A/B thing. That’s the main change in the v3 designs.
Home DC fast chargers are going to be quite popular for the super rich. $150k is spare change for these people and it will certainly add value to their properties.
Haha would love to get involved with those installs
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Thanks.
At least 2, possibly 3 cabinets of SuC v3 can share power - thus the A/B issue does not even apply between 1A-D/2A-D any more (also see my other commend on why a v3 effectively always gives maximum power)
Also, the Mennekes Plug was designed such, that if you forcefully extract it (from the car, or the Wallbox, if that only has a socket), the plastic in the cable plug should give first - not the pin / locking mechanism in the socket. Obviously, there are cost savings measures in play - in particular on the car socket side - and it is not unheard of, that the pin mechanism will give before the plastic of the plug is torn...
nope, you dont need to push the flap, just press the button on the charger handle and the flap will open itself for ya,
The closed captions have called the company “Artisanal”. Might want to edit that :)
"Anal" and "Tesla" very apt!
If I wanted to install a Tesla supercharger in my house, could I not just connect it to the DNO side of the incoming fuse and then I’m getting free supercharging miles again…
Yes if you have £100k spare for the hardware and very understanding neighbours.
Always wondered what actually fed into EVs , be it AC or DC.
Lots of good info.
Wonder what the position would be if you lost or had a faulty phone?
How would you disconnect from the charger?
Thanks for posting.
You get a keycard with the car to use as a key. You can unlock the car, drive it etc with that. Using your phone as a key is a handy bonus, but not required.
I always keep my keycard in my wallet in case I lose my phone, or it runs out of charge etc.
You can unlock via the central screen (stop charging). Your car must be unlocked (but since you're touching the screen it'd be a poser how you got inside while it was locked ;-) )
There's also an emergency unlock cable pull (pure hardware) in the boot if everything fails.
You can stop charging and unlock the charge port from the screen inside, you have a seprate key card to unolck from outside. Don't keep that card in your phone holder.
@@geordish Thought there might be a backup plan. Appreciate your answer.
Excellent question. Imagine a phone being stolen from your pocket whilst in a queue to pay for something inside a busy motorway service station.
It should allow an emergency release of the charger plug in case you’re in the car, plugged in to charge and surrounded by zombies.
I heard that will be a standard feature on the Cybertruck. :D
There is a manual override release pull tab inside the boot to release the charging cable if it gets locked in somehow
Hi - what do you recommend between a hypervolt and a Zappi EV charger? or is there another that tops your list?
Jorden used to be massive Zappi fans, and I don't remember them saying anything otherwise, other than the NEW Tesla Chargers are better now than the older ones, which meant he replaced his own personal Zappi for a Tesla unit...
They have been installing Hypervolt chargers, but according to their videos, the newer Hypervolts have actually lost a useful feature and Cory was not very happy about that, but, it only affects people who want to install a Hypervolt outside of their wifi range..
I hope this helps.
@@ColinRichardson thank you for this. I am getting quotes in for hypervolt. It’ll be next to the wifi so no problem. I need a longer tether which kind of narrows it down to this. I will try to get some Zappi quotes in as well. Any thoughts on Ohme?
@@jayp9059 I have no personal experience and I am unaware of any Artisan videos on them. (They may exist, and I missed them).
I do not remember off the top of my head what internal protection the Hypervolts have. A re-watch of Artisan videos on the subject would be good. They *MAY* require an additional ..... ..... the term escapes me, "earth fault protection" maybe.. So that could be a hidden cost other than the basic "charing unit" I believe the Zappi has them built in as far as I remember.
But, please, don't take anything I say here as gospel, I may be out of date on my information, each product may have changed. Or I could just remembering everything backwards.. But, I would definitely ask for EVERY device you are looking at quotes for, what the built in protection devices are, and which would be needed externally to the units...
This was one of the things that made the earlier versions of the Tesla destination chargers a bad choice, because the charging unit itself had basically NO protection for itself, it was ALL required to be external. It's why their chargers looked all small and sleek.. It basically didn't do anything.
Their newer ones are better, but I can't actually tell you what protection they have now, as I simply do not remember. But, it is all in the Artisan videos.
@@ColinRichardson Thanks Colin... The Hypervolt does have internal protection hence, no requirement for an earth rod. a sales rep at Tesla suggested the hypervolt but i will get quotes for Zappi and ohme for sure.. thanks again
How much is it to have one fitted at home on average, as i may be changing cars soon, also are Audi electric vehicles ok for home charging thanks.
Afaik, all Ev's are capable of being charged on a domestic supply.
The cost of havi g a 7kW charger fitted at a domestic premises varies dependent upon many factors relating to the complexity of each installation and what model of charger you choose that has the features that you desire, but generally speaking cost upwards of £500 here in the UK.
FYI refural codes have now stopped being used , also model 3 only charges at 11kw ac
well done Jordan got your self out a hole you nearly fell in 😃
You can also use the button on the connector to open the charge port
👍
Stick with putting light fittings up
Very cool graphics on the car!
Thanks!
Yeah, the graphics are great. 👍
I was always concerned about volt drop on that dc length of cable. Probably to many volts to notice.
Are you able to put your clamp meter round the charge lead to see what it’s actually drawing?
No, the cable contains both positive and negative, the equal current in each one would lead to a reading of 0A.
You'd have to strip off the outer sheath and clamp around one single core.
Tesla might get miffed at that. 😋
Excellent very informative video - thanks. Please let us know as soon as Tesla allow other makes of electric cars to charge at their chargers. I am happy to have an account to pay. I so need not to have range anxiety with our present chargers not working etc. Thank you 😊
It's coming :) it's trialling in Netherlands
No need to open the charge port door, it opens automatically when you take the cable out the holster. Also model 3 AC charger is 11kW not 22 kW as stated.
More chance your mobile going off with van owner than the cable coming out lol 😂
Ahh Very interesting about Supercharger pretty fast. Yes I saw the same thing. I wondered How many max amps are on your house's main lines? My house's meter shows 30kw. I don't know how many amps my house has. Thumbs up! Cheers!
Most UK homes have 100A supply, so 24kw. That said you only need 7kw for a home charger. Anything else is overkill, and will cost a fortune as you then need 3 phase power installed.
V3 has 1a, 1b, 1c and 1d. A and b are the v2 or v1 superchargers.
The charging at Trumpington P&R is hilarious. 4x 7kW chargers for all the muggles, 12x Tesla Superchargers.
There isn’t any timetable for Tesla opening the supercharger network in the U.K. and it is unlikely to be for all other EVs. The main problem is the location of the charge port, and it’s likely that only cars that have a charge port in a location that suits the supercharger eg left rear or front right.
Yep. When Elon says "soon" it could mean a long time..
Cable length / port location is one problem, they will likely need a new stall design.
Second thing is Tesla will need a third party app and account, or some credit card reader.
I suspect they'll roll out first in locations where there is government funding available for fast chargers, but only if it's all access.
Cars with cademo conector won't be able to use tesla superchargers
Can you installl in the Manchester area?
Sorry Kevin we don’t cover Manchester at the moment.
Version three doesn’t share
Can a none Tesla car be driven off while cable is still connected?
not if it is an EV
There's nothing stopping any automaker from making cars that could be driven off, but as the car knows it is talking to a charger, it is trivial to put that safety measure into place.
Haven't even seen the video to the end but still everyone knows: spoiler alert, no you can't drive away with the cable connected
Scotch Corner need to register your car in the hotel when using super chargerrs
Great video as always. I wish we had a standard connector in the US.
Here, Tesla uses a proprietary connector rather than J-1772/ CCS.
I'm curious how the sharing with other EVs will be handled.
Tesla made their own connector as there wasn’t a standard that could cope with the amount of amps they wanted to use. Then CCS was created as a standard. So subsequent cars came out with CCS as standard for outside the US.
Can’t you just waft the charger around near the charge flap and it opens?
Yes, you can press the button and the charge flap opens.
Yes if the button is pressed on the gun on Models S & X, Model 3 less sophisticated.
@@roygardiner4002 It works fine on the model 3.
@@geordish Sorry - generalizing.
I can fill my diesel tank in 4 minutes - not including the 30 minute wait to get to the pump. Soooo can't wait for the day when I own EV personally.
Fascinating story, how long does it take you to fill up at home?
I guess you can also drive 600 miles without stopping for a toilet break on a full tank of diesel right?
By the time you’ve gone to the toilet and got a coffee you’ll likely be charged and ready to go.
@@edc1569 how do you charge at home if you don’t have a driveway? Lots of people in US park on the street, no designated parking space.
good video but a bit pointless arriving with 90% battery and not showing actually how fast they can charge at full speed
Great video. Some people may be wondering how much charging at a Tesla supercharger cost if you don’t have free charging.
So for reference to these people, it’s between £0.30 to £0.40 per kWh. So a bit less than Ionity or other rapid chargers
A small mistake a Tesla M3 only has a 11kw ac/dc converter so not possible to charge 22kw ac.
Yes that is correct
What if a wild animal or person with a weapon comes up to you in your car while it is charging. Now you have to get out to disconnect the charge cable.
Wow very interesting scenario
So different than USA chargers
You mentioned Tesla opening up the Supercharger use to any other EV shortly, as I understand, only certain EV brands have the infrastructure installed to organise the payment for charging, I think only Mercedes and Porsche could currently qualify.
This is very poor information and only encourages people to try plugging in and get a charge causing a lot of annoyance as it blocks chargers. In the US there is potentially large Goverment funding available for infrastructure developments Tesla wont get any of this funding as the network is closed and they would need to open it up some way hence Elons comments trying to encourage policy makers to look favorably on Tesla. Opening up the SuC network in the UK wouldn't be a game changer as it wont even scratch the surface of what's required. Despite what people think there are lots of alternatives for charging in the UK but it needs to catch up fast with Europe or the 2030 deadline will be just a pipe dream
Excellent video Jordan. Thanks for that!
V3 superchargers in the U.S. have a standard tesla plug not that hurkin they you just used.
Not to mention the 100% tax relief on EV. A model 3 now will save £8.5k on the company Corporation Tax, making the car about £37k to buy
On charging... I've been to a EV6 dealership event in London and the guy giving the presentation said KIA has already got an agreement with TESLA in the US to use there charging network and they will soon have an agreement in Europe too. So far I've only heard about Elon Musk on Twitter say they will open up the charging network to other car companies but nothing about which companies. This guy may have let the cat out of the bag before any official press release. I assume Hyundai will be in the agreement as well, but he only mentioned KIA.
Very informative and interesting. :)
Glad it was helpful!
10:37 charging at 7kW at home is great if you have 230V but US and Canada 120V *15A (1.8kW) is standard. It's a pain to get an outdoors plug installed with 240V 30A (6.9kW) circuit. I'd need a new panel installed in my old home, probably need my house re-wired, it opens a can of worms and $$$.
You didn’t talk about partial charges and how long it takes to give just a hundred miles. Sometimes that’s enough to handle what your trip requires. Also I hope you invested in Tesla stock, yes a whole different subject, it went up over 12% in one day. It was probably based on the Hertz auto rental buying 100,000 Tesla’s
The charge rate is dependent on the state of charge.
It starts to taper off at around 50% and falls off a cliff at 80%
It's faster to pull in at 20 and only charge to 80.
Also, with the NMC chemistry Tesla uses, it's better for battery life.
Why shouldnt you say lady???Good,informative video.
Tesla's are good cars, but there is one thing about Teslas that annoy me to the point that I'm on the fence about if I wanna purchase one: You cannot repair almost anything on it without taking it back to Tesla, which usually costs double or even triple the amount an independent shop usually would take. If Tesla is gonna make the rules about "my car", I'd rather find something else that i actually "own".
I'm all for Right to Repair!
The high costs of repairs, and the horror stories on some prominent RUclips channels about the glacially slow repair times are the two main reason we didn't buy a Tesla.
The third reason is recharging costs. Our ZE50 gives us a genuine 250+ miles of Summer range, in the U.K. I've confirmed that, driving normally on mixed roads, with a passenger and fairly heavy luggage, and it really does go further than Renault claim it can do. It can charge at up to 50 kW for 25p per kWh, meaning that the average recharge would be less than 30 minutes but we get free 22 kW 3-phase charging at the same stations. We've never needed to recharge at 50 kW, so electricity has cost us nothing for the past 3,000 miles of driving. Tesla does not offer free recharging to purchasers of new vehicles.
id prob buy a offgrid solar charger for the fast changing haha then it be kinda Free Power from my panels to the offgrid batterys to my tesla or car
FYI .. there aint NO tesla superchargers in birmingham, on M6 you got them at J1 rugby services then wolverhampton, non on M6 toll, on M42 you got them at J2 redditch then non till nottingham, non on m5 till J14, on M40 at warwick services but no tesla superchargers in birmingham itself, not 1 at the airport, NEC or birmingham international rail station.
Version 3 does not share power
the supercharger at junction 15 in Northampton requires you to go into the hotel to register your number plate so you don't get fined... annoying
So it’s anti KARREN proof! 😂😏 OHHH I’m having a piece of dat 😂
I've seen a lorry attempt to drive away right in front of me with the diesel pump nozzle still in his tank. I was sitting behind him waiting to use the pump and was slow to sound my horn because my ignition was off and I had to turn that on first. The pump sort of bent at the top, then all the panels popped off and it turned into a diesel fountain.
I had to go elsewhere to refuel my lorry.
Interesting. The horn does not work on the lorry ignition is off. @John Winters
When non teslas are able to charge, the supercharger network gets busier and it gets harder to find a free one? I do hope they expand capacity.. really need these other electric charging companies to keep maintaining their network better as the number of times they don't work or out of order is shocking.
I guess lots of people would be perfectly happy if they could have a dummy supercharger stall, powered by a normal wall charger type 2 cable at home. When they ask you about installing a Supercharger at home, you don’t have to take the request LITERALLY. People tend to reason by approximation. The average customer is not equipped to know what it takes to power a supercharger, and thank god they aren’t, otherwise most professionals would be out of a job. As ugly as Tesla stalls can be, maybe someone would like to have something iconic in their driveway, without expecting REAL supercharger performance. I reckon if someone were to spoof Tesla’s design for home chargers, they’d make plenty of money, quite possibly followed by a cease and desist order
So according to signage, it’s illegal to charge the car as each charger has a no parking sign next to the bay. Therefore you can quite lawfully get a parking ticket charging your car.
The top section of the sign describes the allowed parking restrictions (In this case only EV's) the yellow section of the sign outlines the restrictions if you don't fit into that category (in this case, no other allowances).
You need to invent a device that will make your Tesla a Powerwall when you plug it in your house. That way you could get free electricity in your house.
The new Ioniq 5 can export up to 3.6kW mains, so useful in power cuts. Mine's arriving for Christmas 😀
Who knows, Tesla may adopt V2G at some point but it’s mostly Nissan pushing that at the moment.
@@jsptravels I guess Tesla are not doing it as it would wear out the batteries.
Was that padlock 🔓 unlocked to that sub station.
I believe that supercharger is in Uk , in the US is deference
What is the life expectancy of the batteries on electric vehicles? Doesn't a rapid charge or short bursts of charge cause the batteries to have less of a lifespan?
You've got an 8yr warranty on most brands that they won't lose more than 20-30% range.
And you've got some hire car models of S/X in the US that have done 500k+ miles LA-SF return almost always supercharging that are still going strong.
Ideally you slow charge at home, and only use superchargers on long trips.
I swear that lock was unlocked !
in the future instead of queue's of cars waiting on main roads for petrol it will be for charging points.
Unlikely. In the UK, about 60% of homes have off street parking and will charge at home. Imagine 60% of petrol cars never visiting a petrol station ever again. That’s what is coming.
V3 chargers don't share power and they have water cooled cables. No other cars can or will use them for years that may happen in the US but looks unlikely
That aged like fine milk. 😂
While charging, could you have put the car in neutral, released the handbrake, and let the car roll away until the charge cable ripped itself out of the car? Probably not, but you didn’t test it🤣🤣
Nope! 🤣First of all, few EVs and no Tesla cars have handbrakes, they are superfluous. Parking brakes lock the discs. Secondly, you can’t move the vehicle whilst charging 👍
@@edwardbyard6540 Also, I'm rather sure the car wouldn't open the charge port door unless in park. Or switch to park when you open it, or at the very least when you insert a plug (e.g. after manually forcing it open).
Tesla shouldn’t allow general access to their superchargers. It’s madness , I’ve only bought a Tesla because of the exclusivity of their chargers. I should have bought a Kia or a MachE.
Low profile tires are scary.
Fact is, no one knows when the network will be available to other cars. At the moment, many models are not compatible. Cable length, positioning and account for payment. No time soon as you suggested on the video buddy. Miss-informing others is not a good practice.
..also not going to work for the Nissan leaf, Zoe and others that use chademo or type 2
Version 3 Superchargers do not share chargers...
They do, actually, but not in the same way and with much higher capacity.
@@GregHassler They may in theory, but at a Version 2 SC if 2 cars share the same it cuts the charge rate in half which does not happen with Gen3 Superchargers...
Bad news that you can't charge without a working smart phone.