Did God Create Earth And Universe At The Same Time?
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- / sciencereason ... Did God Create Earth And Universe At The Same Time?" This is a clip from The Atheist Experience #648 ("Interview with RUclips celeb AronRa. Matt chats with AronRa, who goes after those pesky creationists via RUclips.") with Matt Dillahunty and AronRa: blip.tv/file/33...
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10 billion year gap.
gevorgrate - yup ...math fail! Intelligent guy though, we'll call it a slip
+Dave Robertson on his own channel after he corrected himselfn
that bothered me too...
You people focus very hard on a simple verbal error.
Good catch.
The bible is one of the earliest examples of comic books.
davids11131113 Needs more grappling hook.
*****
You have to imagine them. The comic book is so old it relies on good ol' imagination for sounds.
***** "Meanwhile, at the Hall of Justice.."
We can use WHALES!
***** hard to tell the bad guys from the good guys
David Drahmann It's essentially all villains, those who are deemed the "good guys" are basically akin to the Suicide Squad facing off against the Legion of Doom.
I really like how Aron Ra spends the time to explain his view in plain speak as to help the callers understand. Matt's great too.
Day one: God creates heaven and earth, and light and dark.
Day two: God creates the firmament.
Day three: God creates land in the water, then plants.
Day four: God creates the sun and moon; then, as an afterthought, he creates the other stars.
If there is no sun or stars until day 4, 1) where does the light come from (a surgeon's head mounted light?) and 2) how do we have "days" without a sun?
Magic
+Eric van Bezooijen If i had to defend where the light came from if was a christian i would say..
that the night and day on the first day was an allegorical for good and evil.
it's the only way this bullshit will make sense.
(there plants on earth that have to to with light for a while each year.)
+Eric van Bezooijen Also, the Universe is about 14.5 Billion years old but the Earth is only 4.6 There is a gap of about 10 Billion years. Hence, the heavens and the Earth were not created on day one.
Ankur Roy Sadly I believe that you are a foolish in your interpretations of what is written and how it correlates to the reality you live in.
The concept of linear perception or time has been speeding up from the beginning of the expansion.
To say something is an exact age based upon molecular decay is a foolishness.
As the matter spreads out to form the universe from it's singular point of creation it's molecular decay rate has been accelerating.
This is the nature of the universe in general concerning the bending of space and time when dealing with gravitational / matter physics.
So time or your enfeebled perception of the concept of time is irrelevant.
You should know this already, those laws of physics that speak of matter and gravity being related.
Einstein's gravitational theory.
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Expansion from the singularity or reverse black hole point in time would be an accelerating process of molecular decay.
If you know the actual physics of this universe.
As far as the "Heaven" authorship of a book, and the "Earth" or firmament of standards they were created in a day.
I think you do not know how to read the book myself personally or the evils documented inside of it.
If you read the bible like a demented foolish child, then that shall be what you become.
Judges 2:13
And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.
+Ankur Roy
Yeah, and AronRa said One (1) Billion. Duhhh... Brain Fart in Math.
Surely Aron's hair is proof of the super-natural.
And the fact of a beautiful Asian lady falling in love and marrying Aron is Proof of a miracle.
1:30 Correction: 10 billion year gap not 1 billion.
*****
Why wouldn't they be smart? It's an honest mathematical mistake. He had his basic inputs right. It's not a mistake out of ignorance, more out of negligence.
*****
You base a persons intellect and sum up their entire persona just by their looks? How superficial and arrogant can you get? I'm still amazed people like you are able to convince a woman to reproduce.
***** Why would any intelligent person care what people who believe in invisible magical creator beings think about them?
***** I didn't realise that judging a person by there appearance was an accurate conclusion of their level of intelligence and intellect. Should I renounce my atheism because a person in clerical attire must be more clever than I since they're in touch with an entity that knows everything?
***** aww the good old sin of prejudice,something that religious people just cant live without!
Man, Aron is the man. It's so awesome that he's co-hosting now. I hope this partnership continues indefinitely.
Lol, I love enabling captions! When AronRa said "Bhagavad Gita", the caption text read, "buggy buggy to". The second time he said it, it displayed "bug-eyed gator".
HEΛRTS OF SPΛCE lol ya know that actually helps me remember how to pronounce it
That is hysterical, thanx!
This is ironic. I just had this same argument with a high school kid this morning who kept insisting that the world is too complex to be anything other than intelligently designed. I used the same argument heard here. If God has this ability to create such complex things than God must also be complex and must have also been designed. He lost me when I got into self-awareness and how could God have this ability without being a biological entity. Evolution is not an "accident." Evolution is nothing more than an on-going chain of reactions. One thing we know about nature is that is always adjusts itself accordingly. It might take tens of thousands of years, but eventually it adjusts.
These two are like the best of their type
Aron and Matt are unbelievably knowledgeable and intelligent!! Impossible to beat them at reality!!
The two best hosts ever, Matt and Death-Metal Matt.
1:20 Im pretty sure he meant 10 billion and i wish he corrected himself because the scale of time between the universe pop and earth pop helps put things into perspective
incorrect math
One could say that they are experts in logic and reasonable thinking, as opposed to someone like me who rambles and gets distracted. Speaking of, did I tell you how I got these scars?
He wasn't wrong mate.that guy he obviously knows what he talking about.get ur facts right before pointing finger at other. Universe is 13.8 billion years old which makes it almost 14 billions
He clearly meant 10billion...a slip of the tongue
@@rajacali5925 Wow you're an even bigger idiot. He said the universe was 14 billion years old and the earth is only 4 billion years old, then he said that means there's a one billion year gap between the creation of the two. That's very wrong. there's a 10 billion year gap. And not even matt dillahunty caught the mistake apparently. what a bunch of cucks
I love Aron Ra!
Josh Shinn
L. Aron Nelson
Josh Shinn
You can google him like I just did and find him on RationalWiki.
who's the guy with Matt? he should be on more often. i havnt found any vids of him besides 2010.
He looks like a reverend preacher for "Motorhead"
Aron Ra.
aron screwed up, he said there is a billion year Gap between The big bang and the formation of earth, when there is a 9 billion year Gap.
Creationists are evidence that we have common ancestors to Neanderthals.
The Neanderthals had a better concept of reality and logic
The Neanderthals had larger brains than ours. How about creationists are evidence that humans are social animals and take care of each other--even the lame, the halt, and the mentally deficient...hence our "success" at reaching 7.6 billion of us right now?
Agreed, I was a hard-core Christian. After years of devotion, I never once felt the "presence" of god.
All religion does is try to scare or control you. "Do this or you're going to hell!"
I like the guy with the long hair! He tells them straight out!
Some of these people asking questions sound so unintelligent. I mean holy hell...the ladies first question made no sense and then when she gets an answer she says "....o-k?"
Jo doc It was a boy. Seriously, why can't you look on the name?
Aron Ra is awesome.
His ability to construct proper arguments with solid knowledge, is just amazing.
God has existed forever. Yet the earth is 6000 years old. What did he do before he created the earth?
The Bible doesn't say the earth is 6,000 years old, that conclusion is only found by taking the word "day" in Genesis to refer to a 24 hour day. Which it isn't.
@@dangerouslevelsofsobriety1503 you tell that to the Bible scholars that worked it out. That's the joy of the Bible, so open to interpretation that it's useless.
the problem is these guys are too smart for most callers, and while I am happy they don't dumb down their vernacular to the level of these uneducated people, but I think most of what they say floes over their heads.
Not mine. I get it crystal clear. They do a great job.
Thought the same thing about most of the episodes of this show. Tracy seems to be a little better at getting through to people, even though she's extremely smart too.
Flows
Wow, that was a FANTASTIC explanation. Bravo my friend.
not 1, 10.
God create the universe, Earth and me a week ago. All of you exist to fill my world. You were given memories and direction only fort the purpose of serving my will, even though we may never meet,.
You are truly the main character of the universe, Brad M.
Brad M yea right solipsist
I always knew I was a NPC.
No, I'm the center of the universe, because I'm concious right now, and you're a dream sprite.
I wish it was these two all the time. Matt can verbally shred the callers, and AronRa can calmly and gracefully drop knowledge on them.
(I've been thinking about this for a decent few hours...and I killed myself.)
If God created the Universe, then that shows God existed before the time of the Universe, but, you cannot say God existed before the Universe because time was created when the Universe was made, so, there was no technical before, but God created the Universe, which is already shown wrong by time, so, does that mean God came to existence at the same time as the Universe? That wouldn't be right because God created the Universe. So, either God created a Universe to create the Universe(Which is shown wrong here and makes no sense), God came to existence at the same time as the Universe, (Which means he didn't create the Universe) or God just created what is in the Universe instead of creating the Universe.(Which means he didn't create the Universe) I'm still trying to work this out, by the way.
Let's just say, there was also no where God could have been, he literally couldn't have existed to create the Universe not only because of time, but also because of the fact there was no place he could have been, unless the Multiverse Theory is true, which means there were several Big Bangs which throws God out of the picture. Damn my mind is fucked...
That is where the convenient self-defined terms come into apologetics. Take 'transcendent' for example. All that means is 'beyond' regarding our universe. It is a neat little word that gives their god a place to be (and indeed his own independent time line) when creating universes. No multiverse is necessary when you can just make up existence-states like 'transcendent.'
But you are right about that multiverse hypothesis. It is like 'transcendence' as it represents the concept that a universe can be a container unto itself and thus there are ways to exist outside that container. If we then define the multiverse as infinite, such that there are an infinite number of containers (universes), then it is no surprise that our universe would exist... it would eventually have to exist, thus removing the necessity for an intentional creation.
But this is all hypothetical nonsense (potentially). The universe is not nearly as finely tuned as people assert. Rather, if it is tuned for anything it is to create black holes and voids hostile to life (the vast majority of the universe falls into one of those two categories). Rather, if there is a multiverse, there are inevitably universes BETTER suited for life than ours. The problem is that we imagine life as we know it, and cannot typically imagine the completely different form life could take if physical laws, the very structure of the cosmos, or even the existence of matter were completely different.
The thing about the big bang is that it ONLY describes an expansion event. In some models T=0 at the big bang (meaning time started there), but that is only from our perspective. The expansion of the cosmos creates a nice "arrow of time" (as Hawking put it) against which we can measure events relative to each other. But that arrow can just as easily be conceptually extended back before the big bang event. The problem is that we haven't a clue about even the existence of anything prior to the big bang (other than the singularity itself), and thus don't have any events to plot to make that extension meaningful.
But there is nothing inherently wrong with just saying time is eternal, extending infinitely before and after the big bang event. Before the big bang, the singularity wasn't doing anything. It spontaneously started expanding at some point due to a random quantum fluctuation, since the infinite density/energy of that state is unstable. It had to eventually start expanding as it could not indefinitely remain compacted. But since nothing was happening before that event (the singularity was just existing, with no defining events), making T=0 is just a logical place to start.
So thus you can even have a single universe, with an infinite timeline, extending before and after the big bang event and still no god required to change it from a singularity state to an expanding cosmos barely suitable for life. The possibility of the multiverse makes the anthropic question even easier to answer, but regardless, we are here because we developed barely able to survive the conditions of the universe around us. It doesn't have to be a mystery.
Gregory Dearth Hm. Yes, I can definitely agree with, all of that.
+Gregory Dearth
yeah, okay buddy. And how many orders of magnitude is it less fine tuned? As to the level of fined tuned - ness the average "people" presume. (in which you are in such a position to declare)
jamie Russell Compared to what? There is not an objective basis to make a measurement of 'magnitude.' I reject fine tuning altogether as nonsense based on a biased perspective of egotistical sentient humans interpreting the universe around them as somehow made for them without a shred of evidence. So I obviously cannot tell you how much 'less' fine tuned it is if I don't regard it as being finely tuned at all.
Rather, I think of our existence as a statistical probability in a universe as vast as ours. Given the sheer number of planetary star systems out there, it is statistically inevitable that SOME planet SOMEWHERE would have the conditions necessary for SOME form of intelligent life compatible with THAT particular system. We are the lucky winners of that lottery. But the more we learn about life the more we find that it can survive in a wide range of conditions, meaning it might not be that rare anyway.
The other thing to consider is the perspective that life is only as we know it. We haven't any other examples to compare life to than what developed on our tiny blue dot. For all we know, life can develop in completely unique ways in conditions WE consider inhospitable.
This humility extends the concept to even different universe configurations. Why it is that we think life requires 3 dimensions of space and one of time is entirely egotistical and narrow-minded. There is no reason to rule out the possibility of some different type of life form in a universe with, say, 5 dimensions of space and two arrows of time, with more anti-matter than matter, and with various physical constants that either are different than the values in our universe or are completely unique, with no analogy to our universe whatsoever. Whereas we think of gravity as a feature of the universe, another being in another universe might have a completely different type of force, different ways that energy interacts, so different that we cannot even imagine what they could be.
Lacking any information about life developing or failing to on other planets, let alone in other universes, making a calculation of the finely tuned universe is completely baseless. It is like the water in a puddle becoming conscious and pondering how it is that the hole it is in fits it so perfectly.
It is a meaningless exercise derived from an egotistical assertion of purpose and intent, as a means to imbue existence with metaphysical meaning.
Earff!
James Cunningham well, Louisiana
thank you for your comment, made me feel a little better because the things your saying is written in the bible thousands of years ago
It sucks that Aron Ra is a feminist now :(
What's wrong with that?
***** That's like asking whats wrong with religion...
iREPda609
No, it really isn't. What's wrong with Aron Ra being a feminist?
I just don't accept their assertion that 'only women can solve problems', that just seems very simplistic and silly. I'd disagree with Hitchens and Ra if that is their position.
davids11131113
I highly doubt that that is their position...
the logic of that last paragraph is almost beyond words. That people just take this sort of thinking for granted just highlights how primitive we actually are.
excellent explanation!
I think the "look at book X, why do you think yours is better? because your father believed in it?"
"Earflings, take me to your leader..."
first video im watching with AronRa and glad to see another well spoken individual making clear points.
Verse 3. “Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.” It is easy to imagine the dark smoke parting at His command like throwing open the curtains in the morning.
Verse 4. “And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.” Again, from the earth’s perspective, our day and night division is caused by the rotation of the planet.
Verse 5. “God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.”
Honestly, it's refreshing to listen to the opinion of AronRa. The guy clearly knows what he is talking about and he is honestly trying to make people understand some important aspects about this whole discussion. He is trying to catch flies with honey, not vinegar.
Ronald Eldon Wyatt (1933 - August 4, 1999) was an adventurer and former nurse anaesthetist noted for advocating the Durupınar site as the site of Noah's Ark, among other Bible-related pseudoarchaeology. His claims were dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars, and even by leaders in his own Seventh-day Adventist Church, but his work continues to have a following among some fundamentalists and evangelicals.
Good one! You left us wanting more.
2 Timothy 2:15 says Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Haha, when you have been playing this game with the Matt Dillahunty character long enough, you unlock his heavy metal skin! That's the one to the left!! :P
Just because someone doesn't fall for what you believe in, doesn't make them bad. You have to think before you express yourself.
Sitting at that desk are two extremely important influences in my life.
I can understand how people can say they should be used as a "guide", as a way to give the people their books but...even as just guides they can cause, and have caused, serious issues because people use the things they say to create laws on the basis of what the books say.
Actually, my information comes directly from the text.
When reading the Bible (or any written material, for that matter), one must consider:
Type of literature, cultural context, date and place of writing, information about the recipients/audience, historical setting, literary clues/references within the text, etc.
In other words, context.
Verse 1. “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” One verse to describe the formation of our uni verse: the start of time and creation of all space and matter.
Verse 2. “The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” A brand new water planet enshrouded in darkness and the Spirit of God (power!) moving (motion) above the water. (Note the 5 aspects of the universe taught by science.)
Man, what I wouldn't give to have AronRa's voice or one that deep and cool.
***** but they still have wonderfully sounding voices which no doubt can be linked in some way to their success. boy you really escalated that guys comment quickly
“I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.
"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”
― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring
I like this chilled Ra. 9 years of dealing with deluded theists has clearly turned him into a short tempered grumpy man when dealing with the same mad arguments again and again, hardly surprising tbh.
What kind of dataing are you referring to? Because, if you are interested in any kind of scientific research, the best thing you can do is to read books on the area or, better, read some of the original scientific papers on the subject. If you want to understand something, then don't expect information to come to you. This is a general advice, since i'm not really interested in any dating process whatsoever, so don't ask me to remove your doubts.
AronRa should be made a regular co-host. He is so brilliant and speaks with such clarity. He and Matt look like they could be cousins. If I were a back-boneless buffoon with no moral guidance of my own, I would probably worship them.
Gr800sofire wrote "Why don't you investigate why professors at prestigious universities have been fired because, after a careful look at the facts they could no longer support evolution theory."
Uh, could you provide any names of these people? If there are less than like 1000 then it is not a significant amount. You would think they would start an organization of ex-educators against evolution or something if it happened often at all.
...video like this may open -- blind eyes off stubborn creationists.....
When the story was written people did not know that the earth was formed over ten billion years after the universe, hence the genesis myth telling that the earth and the universe were formed virtually simultaneously which we later learned wasn't even close.
In addition to AronRa's comment about the 4 days (it was 3 actually, but who's counting?) to create the earth and one day for the sun and stars, It's also interesting that god said "let there be light, and there was light" and "god divided the light from the darkness" on the first day, (implying a sun and rotating earth) yet the things that make light (sun and stars) weren't created until the 4th day?
So god worked for 3 days with a flashlight?
So AronRa mentions the Bhagvad Gita, and I'm not sure if anyone else has brought this up, but the Gita is actually an extract from the Mahabharat NOT a stand alone book and anyone who thinks that it is valid and consistant on it's own is quite misguided. That being said, the Mahabharat itself takes the form of a story being told and my understanding that it is not and never was intended to be a historical account of anything. I could be wrong.
I know that. I was asking who/or what made God. And where did it come, creationists likes to say, that someone had to made matter, so there has to be higher power to do it.
"Anything goes on youtube." Very true!
I just can't leave thinking for only school.
@jmisic you said in part "...is there not a ten billion year gap?"
No. Aron said in part "So we have about a billion year gap between what would be the Big Bang and the formation of the Earth and the Solar System." The key word is "formation." The Earth and Solar System didn't just pop into existence a billion years after the Big Bang. Rather, they BEGAN TO FORM a billion years after the Big Bang and its formation was complete after about 10-20 million years.
Captain Kirk said "what does god need with a space ship?" - Matt Dillahunty
Listing to that silly twit's opening question really makes one realise that we are dealing with a bunch of people who haven't managed to develop, in any sense, other than the physical, past infancy; fills me with despair.
hopefully that kid was paying attention and not smoking a blunt or something..
One last thought to leave ya with because I have had my fill of empty vessels for one day. If you do not believe in anything, who is it that you serve? What, if any, is our purpose on this earth? Are we simply drifting through life and then we die? Or is there a greater battle raging in front of our very eyes for the hearts and minds of mankind? My being cannot accept that there is no Creator, no purpose, for without that purpose we are essentially void of reason, mystery and substance.
@MegaJay79 Actually archaeology now found a lot of evidence of King David. The City of David was discovered under Jerusalem, and is a tourist destination now. Also from his Son Solomon.
A stone erected to pay tribute to King Hazael of Syria, and a record of his victories over Israel, was uncovered during excavations in the biblical city of Dan in 1993.
The stone mentions the name "House of David."
Technical correction. The earth is 4.5 billion years old, and the universe is 13.81 billion years old, meaning that the universe was already 9 billion years old when the earth was formed.
I appreciate you keeping an open mind. Since there is a new testament is it strange or wrong to ask for more additions added to the bibles? Science has many books. People like me have too many questions so perhaps we're due for more info? Then again I could just be wrong this is my opinion and I want to thank you again.
Matt has a habit of dominating the conversation, but not when Ra is around.
Not just in a dead language, but several dead languages or forms of languages that would become archaic relatively quickly.
No your correct, this is not a platform to question the subject matter of the discussion. Rather I suspect it is an outlet to vent frustrations caused by being disconnected with ones inner essence. I just find it amazing that we know so much about creation, down to the atom and even 'dark matter' and yet some think it is all an accident, seriously, all of it, functioning in perfect harmony and timing? I would think someone with knowledge would at least see the creation within Life. Whatever.
i never said i was afraid of your anger. im not afraid of your "not so friendly actions" either. if you need to threaten me to make whatever point youre making then you have failed. also i just tried to watch one of your videos and thanks for clearing up the whole "is he a troll or just batshit crazy" debate.
well if youre going to get all bent out of shape about it then im sorry. i didnt mean to hurt your feelings. can i get that big hug now?
I did not make the claim that the modern understanding of Doppler effect is faulty. Anyone that would disprove it certainly would qualify for the Nobel price. Until then your supposition is groundless and unproven.
I agree. Anything happening is a change from what was. How much time elapsed before gods "creation"? It also negates the Christian claim that god was outside of time as creation itself would be temporal.
how can you know that god is perfect if you yourself admit to being imperfect? Doesn't that sort of make you question whether you are right in believing in god?
Don't forget about not telling the vast majority of the rest of the world, and punishing them because you didn't let them know.
Honor thy father and mother.
- Exodus 20:12
If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and
wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own
life also, he cannot be my disciple.
- Luke 14:26
Would you like more? I'd also like to point out in genesis god creates everything in 6 days but that raises more problems. Why does god use time if time is a human creation? Humans use days to measure the rotation around the sun. What was god doing before genesis?
On the left is AaronRa (I assume this is who you meant) - a link to his channel is in the video description (youtube/AaronRa) along with some other cool channels. On the right is Matt Dillahunty.
More wise words from Aron Ra probably falling on deaf ears though.
Pearls for the swines ..............
Yup that's right. I mainly meant that he made light before light source or even space in which light could exist. And of course you could say that hey he used big bang to construct the universe but then again God's "day" would be millions of years which leads to other problems in the story. And even still, IF bible was somewhat accurate in some parts that doesn't mean that god stuff is true.
I'm not the dunce here. I never said I don't consider reflected light as light. I said it was wrong to label the moon as "a light", since it doesn't emit any, unlike the sun. You reflect light also - should I call you "a light" then?
Why do you assume that when it says "light" in Genesis is referring to the cosmic microwave background radiation, when we first discovered it less than a hundred years ago? How do you propose they knew about it?
YaOkRight wrote "Do you know what Orbs,poltergeists and ectoplasm are? They are spiritual forces - spirits are real as GOD is a spirit and he has created an army of spirits -all plays out for his glory."
You sound pretty certain, how do you know this?
I already got a laptop... Now all i need is a coffee, and a phone(?) in front of me to become wise. LoL
They need that guy on there more, him and Matt work great.
Thankfully it's illegal to do so in schools supported by the government. Private schools, on the other hand, can teach whatever they want.
you didn't specify which quote you wanted.
"Let everyone see that you are considerate in all you do. Remember, the Lord is coming soon" Philippians 4:5
@BeatMePromo said [[ since each culture acts different in many other ways why couldn't they have all interpreted the same exact greater being, just in a different way.]]
Ockham's Razor is to not multiply entities beyond necessity, because you would be multiplying chance of error. If "A" is "everyone's making up stories" and "B" is "everyone's making up stories and there is also a real 'god' to describe", then all other factors being equal, "A"is more likely true and "B" is more likely false.
Thank you.
So how do you KNOW theres an entity like the one you just described? You say "It's called the truth", but simply stating a variation of "I know it exists because its true", is circular reasoning. What is it that makes you feel that its "the truth"?
What you described seems like another way of saying "he who ignores the past, is doomed to repeat it." I don't think anyone could argue with that sentiment.
But again, that doesn't answer the issue of the supernatural claims of Theists?
LOL no. The other guy answered why we don't carbon date dinosaur bones, but the reason we don't carbon date mollusks is that they live in the sea, and the sea is a sink for carbon, so most of the carbon 14 in them has already decayed and it would yield a false reading.
"Sea plants adapt." Dude you just agreed with evolution. Those plants still need radiation which they get through thermal vents.
Ah, gawd, AronRa is so smart, but so calm and understanding as he explains things to others... I wonder if touching his magic hair will make me more like him...
The whole 7 days of creations comes from the Sumerian epics about when Enki landed on Ki (Earth) and made a settlement, it took him 6 days to construct it and on the 7th day he rested. They even speak of Pangea billions of years ago and who told them this?...The Anunnaki told them.
pangea comes from scientific research and deduction, genius. the movement of the tectonic plates and the shapes of the coasts let us know that they all fit together into one supercontinent at one point.
When god said "Let there be light" Chuck Norris said "say please"
Frankly, stopping would be the stupid thing to do, the smart thing to do is to get people to open their eyes and think.
How are people restricting your right to pray and worship?
actually, the reason they don't carbon date dinosaur bones (or anything else for that matter) is because that specific method of dating is inaccurate. there are dozens of other dating methods that are used instead that are very accurate.
"you must serve God or the devil"
Unless they don't exist, in which case you can simply do what you think is right.
Then I equivilate it to when the emperor said "and they shall know no fear " about his mightiest warriors the space marines.
"Life is only 6000 years from Adam. However sometime before God created man, He made hell for the devil which is located in the center of the earth."
Those are among the stupidest things I've ever heard.
Fellowship of the Ring, Mines of Moria, Gandalf Mithrandir: "YOUUU, SHALL NOT, PASSSS!!!"
I am amazed at their ability to decipher what she was saying.