When Should a Game Console Die?
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the answer is never
to be slightly more realistic, make games for it regularly until they stop producing units for it, then gradually slow down the amount of titles coming out for it
for example, the original xbox only saw 1 game in 2008 and 6 in 2007, but unit production ended in 2009 and its live services shut down in 2010. ergo, its last title realisticly should come out in 2011-12.
Agreed. And another reason why I think current game consoles shouldn't die for a long time, is because graphical upgrades are no longer noticeable. I remember when the PS3 came out, and it looked a whole lot better than the PS2 could've ever imagined. When the PS4 came out, it only looked a little better than the PS3, but the graphical upgrade was still noticeable among some games. Like NHL 15 on the PS4 looks way prettier than NHL 14 on the PS3, and I think it still looks really damn good to this day. But when the PS5 came out, what's the upgrade? Sure I and most gamers know what they are, but I think most average consumers don't. Gran Turismo 7 on the PS5 looks pretty damn photorealistic, but so did Gran Turismo Sport on the PS4 that came out a few years earlier. These two games look very similar to each other, despite the former coming out 5 years after the latter, and on a whole new console generation. And even sports titles look the same across generations. I seriously can't tell the difference between NHL 22 on the PS4 to NHL 22 on the PS5, unless I get a side-by-side comparison to spot the few micro details that are present on the PS5 version, but not on the PS4 version. The graphical jump between console generations are no longer impressive, because games these days look too good. There's not much to improve upon. So if a PS6 came out, what's even the point to buy if the graphics look the same as the PS5? At this point, the only reason why I see a PS6 existing in a few years is because of corporate greed.
@@Mickelraven true! but just for funsies i dont believe older systems shouldve stopped either, it was a fun time during the noughties/early 10s where games would have notably different graphics on all the systems it came out on
@@Spacething7474 That's also true. In a "what if" reality, I've always wanted old consoles to last longer, kinda like video formats like VHS, DVD and Blu-ray, which have lasted for decades. Even though physical media is dying, I can still find some DVDs in a retail store, even though they aren't as common as they were a few years ago. But it would be fun to see a brand new PS2 game on store shelves.
And not to mention, because Nintendo have been very gimmicky with their consoles since the DS and Wii, I kinda see these gimmick consoles as their own thing and should be supported to this day, because they're unique. If I want new dual screen games, it goes on the DS or 3DS. If I want new motion control games, it goes on the Wii (or Wii U if people care about it). I think there's a pretty good reason why Just Dance games just kept coming on the Wii, way past its discontinuation. Because the Wii was common in a lot of people's homes, and people kept buying Just Dance games. And from what I've heard, Wiis are common in retirement homes, since old folks are still competing on Wii Sports. In my humble opinion, the Wii should be eternal! Even though its composite video output is outdated, and in fact was outdated when it came out in 2006. I believe launch PS3's had HDMI. I think the Wii should've gotten an HDMI version.
@@Mickelraven i agree with all but the last statement. i believe the ps3 and xbox 360 shouldntve been hdmi compatible at all!
it's funny that the switch really needs an upgrade due to the weak hardware, but it's still so popular that releasing a new console would be a flat-out bad idea
I mean power isnt everything right? just because it has better graphics doesnt mean its a better game. devs can still make groundbreaking innovations that ISNT just better graphics. game design, game mechanics, and game ideas can still be released in any console no matter the graphical power (ofc not saying that you can make a new god of war on the N64 but you know what i mean LMAO)
Nah releasing a new console would be a great idea
@@jumpman2326 capitalism
@@duyan3010 like 2d games such as hollow knight, those aren't graphically great games, but it's a very good game despite it having not that many options for movement and attacks.
Nintendo has to release a new switch eventually. Nvidia has stopped production of the tegra processors that the switch run on so Nintendo has started to rely on their own stock of chips. When that runs out, no more switches.
Companies will reach a point where everybody who wants their console already owns one. They run out of people to sell consoles to which is the main reason why theyll make a new one. Also i think the switch is really on its last legs here as recent games like xeno 3 and totk really pushed the switch to its limit. I think a new console is neccessary if they want to keep producing high quality games and make improvements on their franchises.
I can see they go for an optional pro upgrade for the diehard to double dip without exclusive as well as new big game like 3D Mario and Mario Kart if they really don’t want to launch the new console
I disagree. Nintendo doesn’t have an obligation to make consoles; if they want to make more money, they’ll just make more games for the same console everybody already has. If a new Nintendo console were to come out now it would *FLOP* because people would never want leave behind the Switch’s massive library for no trade-off. It happened in the transition from Wii to Wii-U, history might just repeat itself.
@@zackfirex1009 I think 2024 may not be the year and the switch will die in between 2025-2027. There is still constant support for the switch with relatively high budget games, no way Nintendo is just gonna waste wonder, DK remake or peach showtime on an old console if they have a new one.
"They run out of people to sell consoles to which is the main reason why theyll make a new one."
No. The conclusion to the first part of that thought is, "which is the main reason why they will NOT make a new one."
Once everyone has a console, then the market of consoles is done with.
The PS2 is the best selling console of all time and sony still made a new console after 6 years. Same thing with the Wii, it sold really well and nintendo still followed up with a new console after 6 years. I think as long as nintendo's new console is backwards compatible with the switch, and it has a good lineup of game at launch then then nintendo will have nothing to really worry about.
The reason we see upgrades from Sony and Microsoft is because they're directly competing. Nintendo doesn't need to upgrade as they're not directly competing against. Yeah they make games but their games are targeted differently and they focus on different things. Sony and Microsoft are Coke and Pepsi while Nintendo is Root Beer. Nintendo can do their own thing which is great. Additionally, I feel they might hold on to the switch for a while as the Wii U failed so badly. The Switch has a lot of ports or soft sequels where they essentially re released a wii u game with some changes.
They used to compete before the Wii U and 3DS and Wii and DS, PCs sell more because new parts are available say the Steamdeck or ROG Ally and Lenovo Legion GO and upcoming PC handhelds and Laptops and Desktops sell more because it's easier but also expensive Sony & Microsoft and Nintendo aren't going anywhere and Sega never died atleast in Brazil which sega consoles in brazil sell more then a modern console in brazil but you are very right.
Incorrect. Microsoft isn't competing with Sony. Phil Spencer has publicly said Sony has won the console war with Xbox. Xbox has upgrades because Xbox fans still want upgraded consoles, and still use consoles. Not because of competition with Sony.
@@TheMahayanist The Xbox Systems depend on Windows and it is true of them saying they lost but they are still selling consoles Direct-X is a code name on Windows for gaming which is the Xbox name origin but since Nintendo isn't competing which they are more focus on the family point Nintendo makes t and m rated games I'm not saying they aren't but Xbox tried to buy Valve,Nintendo and even Warner Bros Games these 3 companies have their own things Valve makes hardware and has their own PC platform to be probably the first to do that Warner Bros Games would be bought for 40% of the company which Warner Bros Games the creator of Back for blood and the batman game series and Nintendo just like Valve makes Hardware and has a big chain of games and consoles Valve used to be a Ex-Microsoft Worker but left Microsoft to do their own thing Nintendo laughed at Microsoft trying to buy them and Warner Bros Games I don't think they will be bought by Microsoft, Sony is trying to buy Take-Two Interactive which are the owners of Rockstar Games and Sony is trying to buy half of Warner Bros Games.
Nintendo is competing but they also are a pussies, they made a shitty console and instead of making it or even trying to make it appealing, they released the switch, which was planned to released during the PS5/Xbox Series X came out. They vowed out and gave up unlike Sony PS3, they made it appealing to the general audience
Unfortunately, Microsoft Xbox is more on games subscription service now and will probably be fully cloud gaming in the future because they admitted they lost the console war
I am so glad you pointed out how it’s good Nintendo is “behind” on generation hardware power. When the next Nintendo console has ps4 quality graphics people will freak out way more than when the ps4 launched imho
We did it to ourselves.
Remember when the powerful systems were brushed aside because the PS2 also had DVD support?
Nintendo changed after they tried to be the best twice, failed twice to weaker hardware, and took that same approach of making software better than hardware.
Then that same generation the DS closed the gap on the PS2 with 154.2 and 155 million sales respectively.
Then they went competitive with the Wii U and we all know how that played out.
@@BlueEyedVibeChecker nintendo lost to "weaker hardware" because the games still ran better on playstations. Cds and actual dvds are better than cartridges and gamecube mini discs
Nintendo being behind in power also means that they won't have to worry about high development costs.
Wrong there is no tegra available today that's only ps4 graphics a 20 Yr deal with nvidea was signed to make low powered tegra s just for Nintendo NO IT WAS SINGED BECAUSE NVIDEA ARE THE LEAD GPU LEAD AI SCALING LEAD PERFORMZNCE PER WATT COMPANY ON THE PLANET we are getting a ps5 level device at 1080p handheld and upto 4k docked... the first a.i core console the first ray trace core console and a cutting edge custom tegra SO deal with it
@@rockandrowl actually the GameCube was more powerful than the PS2 and games looked and ran better on the GameCube. The reason why Nintendo lost was they limited themselves with their GameCube discs which only had a quarter of the storage capacity of the DVDs that Microsoft and Sony were using for the PS2 and Xbox
I just hope that when nintendo does come out with a new console, the joysticks actually work this time
That’s an issue with the manufacturer and not the joysticks themselves
@@madnessarcade7447 then maybe get a better manufacturer. Nintendo isn't poor. They can afford better QC and plants to produce their peripherals. Though that is more argument of raising QC for all of them, if they're going to make everything more expensive.
@@ORLY911 Don't PS and XBox also have problems with their joysticks and get them from the same manufacturer as Nintendo?
@@pablocasas5906 I think so but not to the extent of the joycons, ive only had drift in one DS4 so far, but both my joycons drift like mad.
@mal9369 you do realize drifting has been around since forever right? I've experience drifting for ps 2,gamecube and the switch,it's only happened to me 3 times with 3 different consoles,everyone above me is 100% right
With how technology evolves, it's a bit hard to tell. I'd say when devs can't squeeze any more power from it, which for now leaves it at around 7 years
i mean power isnt everything right? just because it has better graphics doesnt mean its a better game. devs can still make groundbreaking inovations that ISNT just bette graphics. game design, game mechanics, and game ideas can still be released in any console no matter the graphical power (ofc not saying that you can make a new god of war on the N64 but you know what i mean LMAO)
@@duyan3010 I get what you mean but we'd be stuck in the past graphically if we didn't care. Just as people care too much about graphics and realism too much. We need the performance aspect to match. I love my newly bought switch OLED. But don't tell me I should just suck it up and play a game that can barely run 30 fps. Sometimes it's an optimization problem, sometimes it's just an aging hardware.
@@Martin-yh7vi and also there's other aspects of the game's design that can eventually just become too much for the hardware we have now.
It's just exciting to have a new console. Simply put, having the same console and never having anything new come out just gets boring, so a new console provides a fresh template.
I vibe with your take on this!!! And I don’t think it’s entirely infeasible for Nintendo in particular. They ran the OG Gameboy model into the fucking DUST, damn near 10 years until the Color came out, all based on being affordable and having good games alone. This is just my opinion, but I feel Microsoft and Sony, because they’re already massive tech companies, aren’t able to get away with dragging out a console’s life as much because of their reputation of always striving for graphical fidelity and cinematic gameplay. Yes, Nintendo gets shit because their consoles are underpowered, but because they’re known for fun and affordability (comparatively to Sony and XBOX) I do believe they could get away with running the switch through a full decade.
The Dreamcast didn't deserve the death it got. So many nostalgic memories from '99-'00.
The strange thing is that at one point in time, people were content with having the same system for seemingly ever. The reason why the Atari 5200 flopped and the Atari 2600 lived on was because the idea that "consumers should replace consoles every so years" alienated consumers. Heck, even "Super Mario World" had some controversy back then because people were upset that they had to buy a new console to play it.
Just so you know, the 3DS was going to have support up to this day if the Switch didn't succeed. Sometimes companies have their products out for years just because they work fine and i really hope the Switch has that same treatment, it's such a unique console that (in my opinion) it definitely would last a couple more years if Nintendo so chose.
Iirc Nintendo originally said the Switch *wasn't* going to replace the Wii U, and that they would happily co-exist with each other.
The Wii U was discontinued shortly after the Switch's launch.
@@regis_c Wii U was actually discontinued 1 month before Switch launched and it was discontinued because it was a commercial failure.
dad's been telling me for years that they should just make one console that works for every game old and new (that would be a dream come true,I would get to play games that I've always wanted to play but never got to play)
If all future indies were released for Switch, I could keep it forever without worries
The only issue with the Switch riding it out is that it came out pretty low-spec 7 years ago. A Switch 2 would make sense, because the concept if Switch is perfect, it just needs so more juice to stick around longer.
being underpower is a risky move, due of making AAA devs being away from your product like the plague, which could lead to economical disaster or really bad ports that make you wonder: "but why thou"
but the upside is that devs that stay need to do some cooking, which leads to new ideas or retrying old ideas with a twist.
Limitations breed creativity
Nintendo thrives in limitations it allows for more creativity
Sometimes too much freedom means no direction
But within a limitation you can challenge yourself how to be flexible within it like a fun puzzle you experiment with
STOP GIVING A DAMN ABOUT GRAPHICS
IF YOU WANT GOOD GRAPHICS WITH REALISTIC TEXTURES GO OUTSIDE AND HUG A TREE
NINTENDO WAS SMART AND REALIZED WHAT EVERYONE ELSE
IS TOO SLOW TO
Nintendo realised long ago that competing in graphics is pointless. No matter how powerful your console is, in a couple of years it is going to be obsolete, and anybody who really cares about graphics is going to buy a PC, because that is where the best graphics are.
Instead, Nintendo focuses on their strengths:
* Nintendo likes hardware gimmicks, because it makes their console stand out. Nobody bought a Wii because it had the prettiest graphics, they bought a Wii because they wanted to play with the motion controls (An idea so good both the “superior” PS3 and Xbox 360 tried to copy it). The same thing is happening with the Switch: people are buying it because they can play their games anywhere, and can move between a handheld and a home console. They like to focus on giving customers something that they cannot get anywhere else.
* When Nintendo did try to compete on power, they didn’t do very well. The N64 and Gamecube were the most powerful consoles of their generations, but were both massively outsold by the “inferior” PS1 and PS2. The Wii was the weakest of its generation, but outsold the PS3 and Xbox 360. This proves Nintendo’s approach to console design clearly has something going for it.
* Performance is expensive. Performance is even more expensive when you are using it in niche applications. If Nintendo wanted to have something as powerful as an Xbox One or PS4, while still being portable, then it would probably cost twice as much. This means that Nintendo would have to charge more for the console (probably not something the market could sustain) and/or eat a hefty loss on each console sold. Instead, by not focusing on performance, Nintendo make a profit on each console, and keep it at a price point where more people can afford it.
* One of Nintendo’s biggest strengths is their first party titles, all of which rely on stylised graphics and strong art-style. It doesn’t matter that the console is not very powerful when Pokémon, Zelda, Mario (and its millions of spin offs), Smash Bros, Metroid and Donkey Kong are incredibly popular and all don’t care about high end graphics. Why make your console more expensive to make and develop for when you don’t even need it?
* The companies that tend to focus on graphics are third party developers, such as EA, Activision, and Rockstar. If the console sells well (like the Switch currently is), then those developers will find a way to bring their games to it or, failing that, make unique games that work best on the hardware.
* By not competing with the other consoles, or PCs, in terms of power, while offering unique gaming experiences, Nintendo has comfortably found a niche as an optional second system. If you have a PC, PS4 or Xbox One you have very little reason to buy one of the others, because they are all basically the same. Nintendo’s consoles offer things that none of the others offer, and thus can easily tempt people with another gaming device into purchasing it.
* Nintendo has also found a strong market in all ages These people don’t care about graphics, so why waste money on giving them something that they don’t want? An families don’t care that the Switch doesn’t have the best looking games, they’re just happy that they can have fun
Ever since the Wii era Nintendo has. Been trying to train us that power doesn’t matter
Whimsy and imagination and creativity and memorable experiences are more important to them
And y’all still aren’t getting it
Move on from Power
it don’t matter
Nintendo doesn’t want it
They think it’s boring
They don’t care
Official quote from iwata: "Even when we were going to launch the Wii system, there were a lot of voice saying 'Nintendo should stop making hardware'," Iwata recalled, talking to Gamasutra.
"The reasoning behind that was Nintendo would not have any chance against Microsoft and Sony. The fact of the matter was: I did not think Nintendo should compete against these companies with the same message and same entertainment options for people.
"We have not changed our strategy," he added. "In other words, we just do not care what kind of 'more beef' console Microsoft and Sony might produce in 2013. Our focus is on how we can make our new console different than [others]."
The switch is faithful to iwata’s legacy
Well, it has been said that since the N64 era that Nintendo does survive on their own software as opposed to relying in third-party compared to PlayStation and Xbox. Now, the N64, GameCube and Wii had some good to great third-party support and Nintendo handheld from the past had even better third-party support, but the Switch, being a hybrid system, has had a bit of a problem. Being a hybrid home/handheld system that has game in HD that was a direct successor to Nintendo's second biggest failure, most third-parties haven't developed games that take advantage of the Switch's hardware limitations, save for some things like Monster Hunter: Rise, Shin Megami Tensei V, Momotaro Dentetsu, Dragon Quest Monsters 3, among others. But considering how many units the Switch has sold has convinced some developers that there's a potential market for their games for people that only have a Switch as their main console, that why we have seen so many late ports of games that have never been on Nintendo consoles before, though some companies like WB. have attempted to make some of their current gen games like Mortal Kombat and Hogwart's Legacy run on the Switch despite all the setbacks, because they think there's a potential market
I predict that there'll be plenty of ports of games from the PS4/PS4 gen on Nintendo's next console
You forget that the Gameboy ran for more than a decade before that finally went to bed.
Actually the ColecoVision sold lots of upgrades. But I think most times they used the term "expansion" which we would call "accessories" today. The Roller Controller, the steering wheel, the Super Action Controller, the VCS Adapter.
Colecovision announced an Expansion Module, and misdelivered with the Adam computer module
The question is, which console has had the longest lifespan? If I had to guess without researching, I would say the PS2 and it also helped that it was a cheap DVD player too.
Apparently Sega Master Systems are still going strong in Brazil (at least until 2014 when I checked) but idk
To my knowledge, the Atari 2600's final official game, Klax, was released in 1991, 14 years after the system came out
I feel like a console should be seen as dead when people stop playing it
You forgot one crucial thing:
ACCESSIBILITY.
The Switch is only 300 bucks, which is by far the cheapest console on the market. PC is strong, but it takes almost double of the Switch's value just to build a PC that can run next-gen graphics - barely.
PS5 is beginning to normalize games that cost 70 bucks, while Nintendo still releases games that are 50 to 60 bucks on average.
You are one of the few RUclipsrs not enamored with the newest hardware. You got a sub!
As I get older and my perception of time gets faster I’ve wanted console generations to get longer and longer just so I don't have tp try so hard to keep up with things. I want this console generation to be the longest.
There 2 ways to depict how Nintendo could've alternatively had a newer console by now:
1: if only the Wii U had succeeded, the next Nintendo Console would've released maybe in 2019, being even more powerful and graphically better than the Switch, likely due to the fact that it probably wouldn't be a hybrid system (rather a pure TV Console) and that it would have an additional 2 years of development time, without rushing to fix the actual Wii U situation that hypothetically wouldn't have existed.
2: We got the Switch in Q4-2012 instead of the Wii U, and with 4 earlier years of that system's chronology, the well-sales would probably wrap up in 2020 rather than 2024, and as such, it would be able to keep up with the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X/S, in terms of having enough similarities between their hardware in order to share some third-party games in-common without having to make either laggy Switch games for having better graphics than usual Switch games (such as SpongeBob BFBB Rehydrated), or worse graphics than usual for PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X/S, or just straight out making 2 different versions of that game so that it could fit the right hardwares for both NintendoSwitch and PlayStation5/XboxSeriesX.
Switch would've been less powerful if it came out in 2012.
@@lol-ih1tl most likely true, but still speculatable for hypothetical alternate timelines.
As a gamedev 100% agree! I really like the fact that the Switch doesn’t have groundbreaking performance. It really helps you focus on the fun of gameplay rather than mindless realism over everything else!
And it’s still plenty powerful imo, you just need to optimize it well, just study how older 3D games work, specially their optimizations, and you’ll be impressed on what you can achieve on a switch!!
this is the first time I completely disagree with you lmaoooo
Same haha
I love your editing but man the nintendo meat riding is crazy. The switch not having 90% of third party games due to its power is one of the main reasons it cant be used as a primary system. Bg3, elden ring and it takes two (all GOTY winners) skipping the switch is brutal
It Takes Two is on the Switch. Also, It's hard to argue that missing BG3 and Elden Ring is brutal when Switch is still curb stomping the competition.
@@Shrapnel82 I agree nintendo has some killer exclusives, but they don't have any games like bg3 or elden ring
@@Shrapnel82In isolation I guess it doesn't need much third party support (especially when the Big Three IMO of Mario, Pokemon and Zelda still sell a lot) but for console gaming as whole I say missing Elden Ring can be seen as a big loss.
The issue is if they need games like BG3 and Elden Ring. You can play either of those on several other platforms. You don't need a PS5, for example, to play BG3. You can play it on the computer. You can only play Tears Of The Kingdom or Super Mario Wonder on Switch.@@rewpertcone8243
You’re making an assumption that Switch can’t be used as a primary system with another assumption that all players prefe to play Elden Ring etc. but many players prefer to not play like that. I know lots of people who prefer Switch’s slate of bright, colorful games with Nintendo IPs. It’s these people who can easily use Switch is their primary console. I am one of those people. Elden Ring holds no appeal to me.
I would also like to bring up that a console also dies when it becomes easily exploited. The Switch already has heaps of emulators come out that are getting more powerful each year, and I think that making a new console, upgrading security, would cause a lot more of an incentive for people to buy if it's the only way to play those games. Since it becomes easier to hack the older it becomes.
Eh, the Wii has been hackable since 2007, and it still ended up being the 2nd best-selling home console to date
If anything, I'd argue it brings attention to the system because consumers will realize, "Wait, I could do that?"
I never knew they had souls.. they never smile back, just turns themselves on, and gets heated up..
Contrary to most comments. My answer is the REGULAR MARKET.
When you go outside and are no longer able to buy first party PS1 controllers, and will need to search second hand to get one, that’s when you can say a console is dead IMO.
Having said this… PS2 was the GOAT of consoles.
Mobile gaming advanced 2 decades in the last 7 years.
I still have my Nintendo, Switch, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, and play them frequently. I have an Xbox 1 that i rarely play.
As a classic said:
"Legends never die"
I'm really sorry man but did you see how the new zelda came out? Don't get me wrong it's an amazing game and I played like 200 hours or so, but DAMN those frames dropped. If nintendo wants to make more games like totk or botw they NEED more power. Also, 3rd party games (in most cases) don't have as many resouces as nintendo to optimize stuff. So their games end up looking and feeling WAY worse than in any other platform. All I'm trying to say is that if I (and many more people) have more fun emulating your games (that I own) rather than playing them on the console they're meant to be played, there's something wrong with it.
Edit: I don't want this comment to be missunderstood. I really liked the video and I think you do have a point in everything you say. I just wanted to share my view on the subject.
The span between the Wii and WiiU was 6 Years. They waited with the WiiU until the sales of Wii games were dwindling. The Wii had much weaker hardware than the competition and it showed in the long run, while the "gimmick" was nothing relevant anymore. So no one was excited to have a kind of "Wii HD", the Wii was dead. In summary: You need to still be relevant in the gaming market when your new console drops, you need to keep up with the competition to get 3rd party games. The Switch is only PS3/360 Era strong. Nintendo desperatly needs to bring a successor now or they will face the same problems again.
It's weird how often some of the best-selling and longest-living consoles of their respective gens tend to be the most underpowered. The Xbox was almost one gen ahead of the competition and full of novel features like Xbox live and DLC, and yet it got completely outlived by the GameCube, and the PS2 which was struggling to run heavily cut down versions of 360 games at 20 FPS
3:30 The Switch is probably the most successful mid generation upgrade ever
It's more likely the next nintendo console will be a 'Super Switch' rather than a 'Switch 2' just bc Nintendo has no precedent for doing numbered sequel consoles. It's usually like NES - SNES or Wii - Wii U or DS - DS lite / 3DS / 2DS
Game consoles also die because stores like Walmart, Target, Best Buy and GameStop have a limited amount of space to sell game consoles, so when the new console is released, they won't have enough room to sell games for the old console as well as the new console. So the old console has to go at some point. You never see stores sell an NES, SNES, N64, GameCube, Wii, Wii U and Switch at the same time (outside of some mom 'n pop retro gaming shops).
Also, Nintendo needs a Switch successor. A lot of their own games struggle in performance, not just third-party. There's a lot of shimmering and blurriness in their bigger, more demanding Switch games like the Zelda games and Xenoblade. TOTK looks rough, especially in handheld mode.
Unless there's a major breakthrough, I expect the current generation of consoles to last at least 10 years as games take longer to develop and are way more expensive to make. the graphical jumps from generation to generation are becoming less noticeable.
Even the Ps4 can play used ps4 disc games from used bargain bins .
Ps4 made 3,454 different games that will keep a person busy for a long while .
Exactly. Law of diminishing returns. We are maxing out what we can do in terms of console gaming. So many side by side comparisons PS4 vs PS5 show not that much of a difference. Definitely an improvement, but not a huge one.
@@bane3991 Many of these side by side RUclips videos are maxed out at 1080p in YT settings . *Like This One*
Which makes the ps4 vs Ps5 side by side look the same .
No Ps5 game plays at 1080p.
Yes in the real world a Ps4 1080p/30fps does not look like a Ps5 1440p/60fps.
Fun fact: back before the snes Nintendo tried running a campaign behind closed doors that the nes is still good and 16 bit is just a fad. People called it propaganda
The WiiU being closer to the switch really tripped me up
Yeah, someone said it looks too good to be a PS2 game, Persona 4, I was playing P4G, but it was pretty late on PS2, the PS3 had been out awhile
The Nintendo Switch uses a mobile processor, the Tegra X1, and because of it, it’s more of a handheld, with means that when this video released, the latest Nintendo home console had 11y1m25d 0:16
The reason they HAVE to make a new switch is because the chip the Nintendo switch uses is 11 years old. They ordered 15 million of them. And that’s it after that it’s gone they literally can’t sell any more units after that.
This video just sounds like a good way to make people move to PC. Scarlet and Violet struggled to run on the Switch anyway.
that's the dev's and TPC's fault. Many other titles look and run better on the Switch.
Lies 😂😂 You'd be hurt asf if Nintendo waited 10 years to make a new console. Who would want that??
Counter argument: There needs to be some kind of upgrade from Switch. Games like Pokemon suffer from some severe frame drops that some processor, ram, and graphic card upgrades can improve. Maybe even moving to an SSD would be beneficial to improve load times (like with Tears of the Kingdom).
Or... you can just grab a Steam Deck, and it's already like having a Switch Pro.
Pokemon runs poorly because of poor optimization. Switch is powerful enough to run every Pokemon game at 60fps but Game Freak devs don't have enough time to optimize the games with the strict deadlines.
Games that run poorly like Hyrule Warriors or Pokémon are because of poorly optimization. Also a Steam deck is not the same as a switch pro, because of its low battery and switch games can only be emulated, not played natively
More useless yapping Pokémon runs poorly not because of the limitations of the switch hardware because of the ineptitude of game freak, you just expose yourself as ignorant! And shit deck ain’t got nothing on switch when it comes to games it could barely run 4K games as it is so you can keep your shitdeck while I enjoy my switch OLED and the magic of Nintendo.
I'm not a Nintendo defender and I would like a successor to the Switch but I don't really seem to understand people shitting on it for being underpowered and games running terribly. I've had the original Switch from 2017 and I don't remember having a single problem with the console
I got it later than you and I haven’t had any issue with how the consoles play *most* games either
I do feel like people exaggerate the Switch issues. I've had mine since the year they released and it still runs as smooth as ever. Yes, I have had a few times where a couple games performance slowed a bit. But that was only when there was either a lot on screen (in Tears of the Kingdom building an insanely long bridge using only logs) or where the game itself has been poorly designed (like Pokemon Scarlet/Violet where the game runs pretty slow when it rains in game).
@@DRAG0NSPIRIT10Pokémon isn’t poorly designed they just had other priorities
I know that the game isn’t perfect and that there’s issues
Pokémon is a franchise where the theme is friendship is magic and meeting cute and cool unique monsters
What the hell does graphics and performance have to do with those things?
Nothing if you wanna criticize a franchise criticize it on whether or not it delivered on the messages and themes it promised
Was friendship magic?
Did you meet cute and cool unique creatures?
Ok then it’s a good game
Those are what’s important to Pokémon
As the og theme said
Pokémon is about
Oh your my best friend in a world we must defend
I will travel across the land searching far and wide each pokemon to understand the power that’s inside
Our hearts so true our courage will pull us through
you teach me and I teach you”
That’s what it is about and that’s what it will always be about and if that’s what it continues to be about until the end
Then that’s a strong enough ending for me
Not sure what graphics and animation and performance has to do with that
Performance graphics those things never Mattered
You have to remember pokemon games have only been 3D since 2013 that’s pretty recent compared to other games like Zelda that have been 3D since the 90s and early 2000s so obviously they’re gonna be behind Mixed with the fact that They can’t delay the game because main console for only 5 years compared to Zelda since n64
The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship
The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games
And it’s about time you all understand that by now
They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime
The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga
If you move one thing it all falls apart
They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that
Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
they are still learning as they go so y’all gotta be patient and give them time to catch up
Their partnership with take two they’ll apply what they learn back into Pokémon so that’s good
You have to remember gamefreak are inexperienced with developing open world games so of course there will be some trial and error the more they work on and improve the game and do future games the better at it they’ll get
Rome wasn’t built in a day we need to be patient
Assuming we get more open world games
NOT TO MENTION ScarVi’s development was probably screwed up by the pandemic
Probably turned it upside down
And before u say just delay the game
They can’t delay the game
The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship
The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games
And it’s about time you all understand that by now
They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime
The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga
If you move one thing it all falls apart
They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that
Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
it’s not outdated it’s rebellious and nonconformist
They choose to live in their own bubble and be one of a kind and not imitate what everyone else does and they have my respect for that
the lore and the stories surrounding the legendaries are unique no other series has that stuff it’s special
Voice acting has become overused it’s not special anymore not including voice acting makes the series more unique and stand out more and be different
If they added voice acting it would lose what makes it special and be blended in with every other rpg
not every game needs voice acting and if a game wants to do voice acting it should be the developer’s choice the games not having voice acting actually makes them stand out and be unique
Don’t force them to do something they don’t feel comfortable doing yet
They’ll get there one day when they choose to
It’s like sex
Don’t force it let them get to that decision organically and on their own
The choice to not have voice acting is rebellious and nonconformist
They choose to live in their own bubble and be one of a kind and not imitate what everyone else does and they have my respect for that
@@DRAG0NSPIRIT10for Pokémon
The lore was good
The writing was good
The music was good
The vibes were good
The messages were good
The designs were good
The region was good
That’s all you really need
Graphics,frame rate,art style none of that superficial stuff matters
@@DRAG0NSPIRIT10pokemon isn’t a mess they just had other priorities
Can’t believe people still care about that frame stuff
I’m sorry people got so lost and brainwashed by the superficialities of the industry you forgot what Pokémon was originally about
And I know that the game isn’t perfect and that there’s issues
Pokémon is a franchise where the theme is friendship is magic and meeting cute and cool unique monsters
What the hell does graphics and performance have to do with those things?
Nothing if you wanna criticize a franchise criticize it on whether or not it delivered on the messages and themes it promised
Was friendship magic?
Did you meet cute and cool unique creatures?
Ok then it’s a good game
Those are what’s important to Pokémon
As the og theme said
Pokémon is about
Oh your my best friend in a world we must defend
I will travel across the land searching far and wide each pokemon to understand the power that’s inside
Our hearts so true our courage will pull us through
you teach me and I teach you”
That’s what it is about and that’s what it will always be about and if that’s what it continues to be about until the end
Then that’s a strong enough ending for me
Not sure what graphics and animation and performance has to do with that
Performance graphics those things never Mattered
You have to remember pokemon games have only been 3D since 2013 that’s pretty recent compared to other games like Zelda that have been 3D since the 90s and early 2000s so obviously they’re gonna be behind Mixed with the fact that They can’t delay the game because main console for only 5 years compared to Zelda since n64
The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship
The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games
And it’s about time you all understand that by now
They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime
The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga
If you move one thing it all falls apart
They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that
Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
they are still learning as they go so y’all gotta be patient and give them time to catch up
Their partnership with take two they’ll apply what they learn back into Pokémon so that’s good
You have to remember gamefreak are inexperienced with developing open world games so of course there will be some trial and error the more they work on and improve the game and do future games the better at it they’ll get
Rome wasn’t built in a day we need to be patient
Assuming we get more open world games
NOT TO MENTION ScarVi’s development was probably screwed up by the pandemic
Probably turned it upside down
And before u say just delay the game
They can’t delay the game
The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship
The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games
And it’s about time you all understand that by now
They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime
The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga
If you move one thing it all falls apart
They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that
Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
it’s not outdated it’s rebellious and nonconformist
They choose to live in their own bubble and be one of a kind and not imitate what everyone else does and they have my respect for that
the lore and the stories surrounding the legendaries are unique no other series has that stuff it’s special
Voice acting has become overused it’s not special anymore not including voice acting makes the series more unique and stand out more and be different
If they added voice acting it would lose what makes it special and be blended in with every other rpg
not every game needs voice acting and if a game wants to do voice acting it should be the developer’s choice the games not having voice acting actually makes them stand out and be unique
Don’t force them to do something they don’t feel comfortable doing yet
They’ll get there one day when they choose to
It’s like sex
Don’t force it let them get to that decision organically and on their own
The choice to not have voice acting is rebellious and nonconformist
They choose to live in their own bubble and be one of a kind and not imitate what everyone else does and they have my respect for that
Nintendo thrives in limitations it allows for more creativity
Sometimes too much freedom means no direction
But within a limitation you can challenge yourself how to be flexible within it like a fun puzzle you experiment with
STOP GIVING A DAMN ABOUT GRAPHICS
IF YOU WANT GOOD GRAPHICS WITH REALISTIC TEXTURES GO OUTSIDE AND HUG A TREE
NINTENDO WAS SMART AND REALIZED WHAT EVERYONE ELSE
IS TOO SLOW TO
Nintendo realised long ago that competing in graphics is pointless. No matter how powerful your console is, in a couple of years it is going to be obsolete, and anybody who really cares about graphics is going to buy a PC, because that is where the best graphics are.
Instead, Nintendo focuses on their strengths:
* Nintendo likes hardware gimmicks, because it makes their console stand out. Nobody bought a Wii because it had the prettiest graphics, they bought a Wii because they wanted to play with the motion controls (An idea so good both the “superior” PS3 and Xbox 360 tried to copy it). The same thing is happening with the Switch: people are buying it because they can play their games anywhere, and can move between a handheld and a home console. They like to focus on giving customers something that they cannot get anywhere else.
* When Nintendo did try to compete on power, they didn’t do very well. The N64 and Gamecube were the most powerful consoles of their generations, but were both massively outsold by the “inferior” PS1 and PS2. The Wii was the weakest of its generation, but outsold the PS3 and Xbox 360. This proves Nintendo’s approach to console design clearly has something going for it.
* Performance is expensive. Performance is even more expensive when you are using it in niche applications. If Nintendo wanted to have something as powerful as an Xbox One or PS4, while still being portable, then it would probably cost twice as much. This means that Nintendo would have to charge more for the console (probably not something the market could sustain) and/or eat a hefty loss on each console sold. Instead, by not focusing on performance, Nintendo make a profit on each console, and keep it at a price point where more people can afford it.
* One of Nintendo’s biggest strengths is their first party titles, all of which rely on stylised graphics and strong art-style. It doesn’t matter that the console is not very powerful when Pokémon, Zelda, Mario (and its millions of spin offs), Smash Bros, Metroid and Donkey Kong are incredibly popular and all don’t care about high end graphics. Why make your console more expensive to make and develop for when you don’t even need it?
* The companies that tend to focus on graphics are third party developers, such as EA, Activision, and Rockstar. If the console sells well (like the Switch currently is), then those developers will find a way to bring their games to it or, failing that, make unique games that work best on the hardware.
* By not competing with the other consoles, or PCs, in terms of power, while offering unique gaming experiences, Nintendo has comfortably found a niche as an optional second system. If you have a PC, PS4 or Xbox One you have very little reason to buy one of the others, because they are all basically the same. Nintendo’s consoles offer things that none of the others offer, and thus can easily tempt people with another gaming device into purchasing it.
* Nintendo has also found a strong market in all ages These people don’t care about graphics, so why waste money on giving them something that they don’t want? An families don’t care that the Switch doesn’t have the best looking games, they’re just happy that they can have fun
Ever since the Wii era Nintendo has. Been trying to train us that power doesn’t matter
Whimsy and imagination and creativity and memorable experiences are more important to them
And y’all still aren’t getting it
Move on from Power
it don’t matter
Nintendo doesn’t want it
They think it’s boring
They don’t care
Official quote from iwata: "Even when we were going to launch the Wii system, there were a lot of voice saying 'Nintendo should stop making hardware'," Iwata recalled, talking to Gamasutra.
"The reasoning behind that was Nintendo would not have any chance against Microsoft and Sony. The fact of the matter was: I did not think Nintendo should compete against these companies with the same message and same entertainment options for people.
"We have not changed our strategy," he added. "In other words, we just do not care what kind of 'more beef' console Microsoft and Sony might produce in 2013. Our focus is on how we can make our new console different than [others]."
The switch is faithful to iwata’s legacy
I still play PS4, it's still getting new releases 2024 and the online multiplayer is still very active.
I was hoping the Switch would die soon and then you tell me the next console is gonna be a sequel?! F*ck me...
The switch is still the strong enough system. Do you know what system I want to die and never come back? PlayStation and Xbox but I need don’t worry because the purity of oblivion will still be coming to both Xbox and PlayStation Nintendo Nintendo made the sensible decision to not focus on graphics fidelity and useless 4K.
I hate that the gamming industry focuses on ultra realistic graphics and movie capture cutscenes, i think that it's to expensive and makes companies play safe when it comes to the game since it's such an investment, because of that the games feel unoriginal and any unique ideas are thrown out of the window replaced by something that is proven to work,
i just wanted a switch update with a litte more RAM, it would help a lot
I feel like video games will always exist, but as far as consoles, anything you can do on a console you can do on a PC. You can even connect a controller if need be
You can't play new AAA games at 1440p/60fps for $500 on a PC or laptop .
PC can't play many good games. PC players are excited about Horizon Forbidden West
coming to PC this year.
That game is almost a year and a half old .
@@Crashed131963 You mean "You can't play". Anyways I will agree that alot of PC games get bad ports. If you know what you're doing, you can get a good PC in the long run and just replace the parts/upgrade if need be vs just buying a new $500 console if it bricks.
I own both console and PC, I will say most of the games I've enjoyed have been on PC
2:19 and I consider the Super FX chip a midgen upgrade too
Kiro I swear on gods name- I got so excited that you uploaded that I grabbed my phone so fast that it fell into the full sink. You do such an excellent job with these mini documentaries. Keep up the hard work, we are all here supporting you!
(P.S. I don’t know if you fancy Arcade Games, but I feel like covering SNK’s NeoGeo system would be a blast for you. I’m a huge fan of SNK’s history, but there’s not many good sources on it apart from books on certain games. I’d love to see you take a crack at it!)
Thanks for the support! I appreciate it. I haven't played a ton of SNK stuff, so I could potentially cover it once I get more familiar with their library.
The Wii’s life cycle outlived the Wii U’s life cycle. It had a final game after the Wii U had one.
The PS2 was still getting games way into the PS3 's life span, maybe the switch will have a situation like that
Ps2 was getting games in ps4 era
@@Nobody001N it didn't. PES 2014 came out before the PS4 launched.
@@lol-ih1tl 2 whole months before ps4 launched it was a launch title, jus like gta3 with the xbox
If I remember correct, new consoles keep getting made as people eventually got bored of the old ones, that, and technological improvements made a good reason to upgrade.
Ps4 made 3,454 different disc games , I have not even caught up on those yet .
They all end up in a used disc bargain bin or ebay sooner or later .
Technology hasn't advanced enough to justify a new console release every 7yrs at this point. In the beginning yes, you can get away with releasing a new console every few years because just like anything, the most rapid growth is made in the beginning. Now, we are maxing out our potential. So we need longer times to really advance into the next generation.
Personally i think a console dies when no versions of it are being sold and no game are being made for it, of course this would mean that the sega master system is still alive due to brazil. But i don't care
new consoles are only made by demand. developers are probably getting frustrated by the console limitations; most consumers already have one; the technology to make a meaningful upgrade at good price is there. those factors determine when a new console gets released which just so happens to be about 5-7 years.
I think it would be interesting to think especially of if the Nintendo 64 had last 2 or 3 more years, been thought of as more than just few years of late '90s.
A game console should die when I can afford a new one.
Most definitely
I think at minimum Nintendo should wait until the Switch outsells the PS2 before announcing any new hardware they are in a very good position to take the number 1 best selling console spot
If they wait until 2025, then Switch sales can get to around 150 million units. Not quite at PS2’s 156 million, but close enough to where it can reach it even if sales fall significantly (which they will).
@@Telmarine55 It will likely be close to there next time they update the numbers
I can definitely see the argument for just rolling with a switch, but with the current switch oled, it’s just barely enough power to run the most powerful games like totk. Perhaps we may see a new Nintendo switch, with that small library of exclusives like we saw for the new 3ds.
I think the Atari 200 should be brought up as it was having games made for it like 20 years after its release.
Give Toby 2600 or 200 are pieces of junk.
I wanna cry because I loved the 3DS and too bad we don’t see people holding them anymore
I hope for the next Nintendo console the company will learn from its mistakes with the Wii U and have the thing be called something more distinct and make it seem like it's something entirely new rather than just an addon, something a lot of people thought with the Wii U. I feel "Switch 2" gets this point across fine but I never really liked it either and considered it a placeholder until Nintendo decides to announce something.
I noticed more people begging for the switch to die off and make a new console than the advice in this video "keep milking it until it falls off wheel", hasn't it already with the condition S/V was in? yeah, maybe it's the game development itsself and not the console, but people are blaming the console for some reason, different results every system maybe.. but, nintendo has far more to catch up on besides graphics. they're in the stone ages where they don't even have an achievement system that Sony/MS did since the PS3/360. I guess Japan doesn't care or something is their excuse. Let alone the thought of when they're going to actual VR like we've had since the switch launched, that isn't cardboard/eyes on legs.
I HOPE THEY CALL IT SWITCH 2 WHY WOULDNT THEY?! ARE YOU OK?! WHAT DO U WANT IT TO BE CALLED?!?!?!? WTH?!?!?
home consoles will inevitably end but PC and portable gaming is forever
Fr, I would be so down for Nintendo to continue going with the Switch for a couple more years cause I don’t see myself putting it down even after the next console drops probably this year
I wholeheartedly agree with you here. Design wise, the Switch is nearing perfection - all it needs is a little more power, and that console will be fit to last another 20 years; and I don’t see any problem with that.
Nintendo's portables last longer than their consoles. Game and Watch to Gameboy was 9 years, Gameboy to GBA was almost 12, GBA to DS was the exception at 3 years, and DS to 3DS was 7 years. They lasted as long as people bought them and games were made for them, so the Switch can go for 2-3 more years if it wants.
When should a video game console die? Never let the classics die! I still play my NES, Master System, PS1, Xbox 360, GameBoy, Vista and everything in between. There's so many good games I haven't played yet on the GameCube, Dreamcast and PS2. So I'm going to continue to pick up new games I haven't played for my older systems. Who knows, maybe I'll find something new to play for my Atari tomorrow.
I literally had to drop $200 every two years for a PS2 because my consoles literally died.
The right moment for Nintendo to release a new hardware is once they'll have developped at least one (if not many) amazing games that cannot run on the Switch.
The pioneers should not die.
The company should create. A store in their website and give tools and support for devs who want to make games or pitch games to them, to sell on their website .
And a little help in advertising.
When a system has peaked is when the devs can’t or don’t want to squeeze more juice or it just doesn’t wow no more. When you see something newer and shinyer
You gravitate to that.
But I feel the consoles die just when the less skilled or financially strong devs and companies can actually get good results out of a system because of all the work the top devs has done and showed the tricks over the years.
It’s not fair to end the console .
For me we are still supposed to be on ps3, there are so many ip’s that could have made a come back and devs that could have made great games and ip’s because they now are able with the resources .!
Just recently found your channel and am really enjoying. You put out some great stuff.
I'd be interested in a follow up to this video, where you discuss this same topic in the frame of handhelds. I run into so many people who play handheld Switch only, but I think it's one of those things like "sit to wipe vs stand to wipe" (if you'll excuse the gnarly simile) where each group doesn't know the other exists 😂
They should absolutely call it the switch 2. Anything else and they risk a Wii U scenario where no one realizes it's a new thing
Nintendo has never 2d a console why would they start now. Literally everyone knew the Wii U wasn’t the same thing it came with that thick game pad the problem was it wasn’t better than the Wii along with the fact it barely got any games
The problem is that, because of the time it takes to develop the hardware, the launch games, the marketing and the release strategy, the decision to release a console needs to be made years in advance. Nintendo is probably as surprised as we are that all things Switch are still selling like they are and couldn't afford to assume that when they pulled the trigger.
I do wish Nintendo would release a Switch Pro, purely because it feels like so many ported games have to make sacrifices, and not even the big triple A titles with great graphics, things like Wobbledogs, Minecraft, Bugsnax, and really every game on the Switch
I dont need a console that can produce the same graphical prowess as playing the new Spider Man on my PS5, but I would like something that could play the current third part & indie games without any lag, slowdown, or render distance issues, and a bigger onboard storage would be great too.
and I think EVERYONE would love being able to play the games they bought for the Switch natively on Switch Pro, especially if any devs make enhancements for players on the Pro, like they did with the New 3DS, and also the fact that Nintendo has been HORRENDOUS with bridging the gap between console generations, it could really win over their current userbase
Even if a Switch Pro happened, it would just have more ram and only like 5 games would make use of that extra ram. I mean the 3DS had plenty of games with bad frame rates yet they got zero performance boosts on New 3DS.
Thy die when demand for it dwindles.
I genuinely hope that the Switch 2 doesn’t release for another couple years. Why? Because I don’t have money to buy a new console and I don’t want to miss out.
It seem very likely it's coming out this year though you probably got half a year to save up chief. But honestly the launch titles aren't normally that exciting it's normally the games that come out a few months after that are insane.
This is such a stupid take. You don't want faster loading times? You don't want prettier games playing at a noticeably smoother frame rate? By your logic we'd all be driving Ford Model T's, watching 13" black and white tube TVs, and maybe even using an abacus for math, because why would we improve anything if the last gen still works? God this is such a stupid take...
I still think they should make a revision like the New 3DS. You create a slightly more powerful version of the console that's backwards compatible with the other DS games. That would make the most sense.
New 3DS was just a 3DS with more ram and extra buttons and it was solely created to use the Internet Browser, Miiverse, Friends List, Notification and Notes on RAM intensive games like Smash. It also came out just 3 years after the system launched.
I didn’t get a switch all to long ago just at the start of 22 so I want at least another year before a new console but also I think they’ll need a better launch lineup then they could release this year I think they need at least a new Mario and Zelda titles maybe a Zelda rerelease of the GameCube games or ocorina remake but definitely a new 3d Mario
One think I would like to see happen to Nintendo's next portable console is Quick Resume like feature.
On my Xbox Series X, or even Series S, it's a very valuable thing to have since it allows me to switch game on the fly. Imagine playing game like Baldurs Gate 3 during some hot scene and my kid coming to watch TV, I can switch to other games instantly and come back to exact scene later.
When it can't play new games anymore .
The Ps4 Fat can still play "Horizon Forbidden West ".
That games has not even been ported to PC yet .
I feel like that statement is also why people want a switch 2 rather than a new console, the switch has a huge lineup of games that sell well, if nintendo announces a new console we know they need to struck gold in the first year with a real reason why the new console has to outclass the switch. I feel most of the original games made for switch look awesome.
DO NOT LET BRO COOK 😭[i agree with the switch but i mean sometimes game consoles need to die so new and better stuff will release]
That is literally what he is saying what are you talking about
@@CookieTwoStep at the end of the video he was kinda pushing it on with all consoles
8:14
@@random-dy8jtI don’t think you understand his point
@@random-dy8jtur just brainwashed by capitalism
The simplest answer is when it dies of natural causes. The N64, GameCube, and Wii U had shorter lives (especially the Wii U) because the public had stopped being interested in them. None were nearly as successful as the NES, SNES, and Wii, which all lasted longer. It's a cycle, momentum, thingy. Gamers buy the consoles giving an installed user base. Seeing that, companies make software to sell to the users. Gamers want games, so buy the system that the games are on, making the systems popular, and popular systems attract software companies.
It's when the cycle winds down that a new system needs to come out. For the Switch, it could be a long time. People still are buying them, and games are still coming out. When gamers stop buying games for the Switch, and when companies stop making games, then it will be time for a new system.
They don’t need to make new consoles as much anymore the jump from last gen wasn’t even that much of a jump unless you’re trying to see a difference
To be fair, Sony is kind of doing this with the PS4. It released in 2013 and there are STILL new releases for the thing. PS4 isn't even dead yet even though PS5 is a more powerful PS4 in everyway.
You always end up saying exactly what I'm thinking. I know people point to the timeline, as though it's written in stone or law. But they're missing the real reason. Why was there only 4 years between the WiiU and Switch? Because WiiU sales were garbage (even though I love the system). Why did the WiiU launch 6 years after wii? Because, while the wii started off hot, it slowed to a crawl, barely inching over the 100 million mark (the Switch has already blown way past that and is closing in on the DS, which is their best console yet and only a million or two behind all time best-seller PS2) Why 5 years between Cube and Wii? Because Cube sales lagged near the end.
That's when you should be looking for an upgrade, when things slow down. not just on the hardware but also on the software. Sure, Pokemon games had some performance issues, as did Tears (way less in the case of Tears though, showing that Nintendo does give their games TLC because their business is games, whereas the Pokemon Company has an entire empire of stuff and games are just a part of it), but both games are huge sellers. 20 mil. That puts it not just at the top of the Switch best sellers ever, but also in the history of those franchises.
If people are still satisfied with what they're getting on the Switch, why release a new system to compete? The whole point of all this is to make money. That's why we get new stuff. New consoles offer new experience upon which we can make more money. If you're already making a ton of money, there's no need for something else. Something else risks dividing and confusing your customer base. Remember how many people thought the WiiU was just a tablet you used for the wii? I do. I worked retail holiday of 2012, lots of parents assumed so and they soon returned those WiiU games and just grabbed the wii version instead. If you're older, like me, you remember the extra hardware add-ons Sega released, hoping to extend the life of the Genesis. Didn't really work and Sega ended up burning bridges with fans who were loyal and bought the new add-ons only to be abandoned. If Sega went from Genesis to Saturn to Dreamcast, they'd most likely still be in the console game today. Nintendo is doing great with the switch, double-y so because they have one foot in the handheld market and one foot in the console market and dominating both. That's not easy. PSP and Vita tried to do that and only one of those was a bit of a success.
Hell no Nintendo Needs to make a New Console now. That shit is holding back games.
they relased the lite and the oled switch back in 2020 so you can say those are technically switch 2
Consoles will never die because of how ridiculously expensive pcs are
I much rather have my physical games instead of digital!
I don't want to go through what many people went through with the 3ds.
I think it‘s time for the Switch to end its lifespan. Big games have been few and far between, and overabundance of remakes and ports. And overall, I honestly, I think the hardware (not the power, but the casing, sticks, buttons) really need an upgrade. It feels cheap and literally like tech from 15 years ago.
Not to mention the joycons aren’t even comfortable or ergonomic. But yes, the whole console feels cheap. The Steam Deck feels a lot more high quality than it and it’s also made of plastic