I want to mention something else regarding Kingdom Hearts 1 Final Mix. Back in the day, for OG Fat PS2 console models, Sony made an add-on called the PS2 Hard Disk Drive that can connect to the internet and download data that can be installed onto PS2 games. Kingdom Hearts 1 Final Mix was one of the few compatible games. The Install Data reduced load times for the game, and that’s it. It was a bit redundant because if you turned off your console and rebooted it up, the install data would be lost even if you saved your game. So each time, you had to go through this process only to reduce load times.
The most advanced use of the HDD as a game updating tool was probably the SOCOM II Addon Map Pack that you could download off of a certain OPM demo disc and then play with others who had also downloaded it. Kind of funny that you could update your game without the internet, but needed the internet to play the downloaded map
The skipping cutscene feature was added to the HD 1.5 remix version of the game(which also adds 2 new abilities & remixed music), the PS2 version of Final Mix allows to skip cutscenes only after watching them once(so after you die to a boss & re enter the boss area, two options appear on screen to either skip or re-watch)
We basically had to buy the same game twice, that’s how. Though with Kingdom Hearts, we wouldn’t get any of the final mix releases until the 1.5 and 2.5 HD remasters, and so those of us who grew up with the series on the PS2 were essentially playing them for the first time. Which’s was extra confusing for younger me due to Kingdom Hearts 2 including a cutscene from 1 that was exclusive to the final mix version.
Yeah, for all the hate DLC gets, it is much better than what we had before. There's no Kingdom Hearts 3 Final Mix, Pokemon has stopped releasing updated versions of their games a year later, fighting games don't need to re-released just to add new characters or to re-balance things anymore, etc.
@@darrenmacqueen9884 Hell, even Atlus made Episode Aigis as DLC for Persona 3 Reload, instead of just rereleasing it a year later like with every other game of theirs as Persona 3 Second Reload or some shiet.
@amirgarcia547 True. I really hated how they did that with Persona 5. I thought we were past that point in the industry. I refused to buy Persona 5 Royal for that reason. Already bought it once and played it, not buying it a second time on the same console.
@NicholasStabile Remind was dlc that added some extra story content. And that's exactly my point. They were able to add dlc instead of making us have to buy the entire game again. In the PS2 days, they would added that content in Kingdom Hearts 3 Final Mix instead. And we'd need to pay full price all over again. And in the West, we might not have gotten it at all.
Sonic 1 in North America on Genesis was ONLY REV00, there has been no evidence that REV01 was ever released here. Not even through Sonic Compilation / Classics. Likewise, there has been no evidence that REV00 was ever released in Japan. The ROM Header calling it a JUE is a misnomer because all it means is that the cartridge itself isn't region locked.
@CracAintWack I know, I am continuing the joke, by saying that the difference between the ps5 and ps5 is so small, that even the difference between revision 0 and 1 is bigger.
3:23 Translation: program plan design Yuji Naka Hirokazu Yasuhara Naoto Oshima Ishiwata Jina Rieko Kataoka sound production Masato Nakamura sound program Hiroshi Kubota Yukifumi Makino sound production sound program
Back in 2005, there was a rumor that they were going to release a disc/memory card file that added tag matches to Smackdown vs. RAW's online mode... and we believed it.
That's not actually that stupid. The PlayStation 2's system firmware can actually load files containing updated versions of itself from the memory card. There's no mechanism to actually flash said updated firmware image onto the ROM chip, but every time the system's switched on, any such file will get loaded into RAM and then run in place of whatever version's on the ROM chip. While this is arguably best known for being how FreeMCBoot works, being an unofficial "update" you install to the memory card, it did get some notable official uses too, via install CDs that usually came with a relevant product. These are known as "Utility Discs". For example, the DVD remote came with a CD to update the DVD player to support it. The very first systems manufactured in Japan had to make do without any DVD video support due to deadline limitations, and came packaged with a CD to install the DVD player. The network adapter and hard drive also needed the firmware updated to support them, and funnily enough the hard drive itself can have firmware files booted off of it too! This allowed Sony of Japan to eventually go batshit insane and release the BroadBand Navigator, a full-blown replacement for the system menu with all kinds of cutting-edge features! There was a web browser, there were special online menus hosted by various dev studios to provide announcements and even downloadable games & demos, there was MiniDisc support (until it got removed), on top of the audio and especially the visuals being redone compared to the vanilla system menu. It was like the XMB menu, except it came before the XMB menu.
@@ObsessiveGeek Not really. Add-on content had been available for home computers for years, and even on NES extra levels for games had been released on cassette tape (in Japan).
Same, first time hearing about the different names and revisions. My extension of knowledge of revisions for the original trilogy were really just box art changes, text differences, naming changes, etc.
How did developers update their games pre-internet? That's the neat part, they didn't instead they just sold a 1.1 version of the game and stopped production of 1.0 either that or they'd come out with a special edition or a director's cut or a collectors edition or a 3rd version like pokemon platinum or a remake a few years later or they fix it in the international version or they'd fix it in a port to a different console or they'd create a games collection and fix it there
@@ultimate_pleb Expansion packs were basically additional content such as new levels for existing games and those also came on CDs, and those also often supplied patches. Today those are called DLCs now. Some developers in the 90s distributed patches via offline means such as magazine CDs that you could install over the older version of a game or support alongside the Internet which not everyone had that (or dial-in services such as BBSes, AOL, CompuServe etc). And some games got regular patches like the id Software's Doom that had a dozen updates for it's original DOS version.
Love RE1 Deadly Silence. Shout to my grandma buying me this on summer break in Oklahoma. It was the first time I actually beat RE1 because as a kid my copy of Directors cut scared me lmao
Actually, DLCs, the way we know them today, were already a thing back in the 90s, ans SEGA made them. IIRC, there was a way to install free event maps and updates for Sonic Adventure through an old and obscure official website. I don't remember too much about them, but those were basically free DLCs that worked almost the same way modern DLCs do.
Generally back then when it came to major glitches that could even make the game unplayable they would release a new physical copy version of the game that would replace the original release in store shelves while you could also often trade in your effected release copy of the game for the patched release for free like if it was a recall of a product.
One thing you didn’t mention about the DS version of Resident Evil is that it introduced a weird multiplayer mode, a first for the Resident Evil series. It let you compete or team up together to run through a challenge type mode, only you could only see the other player as a big star. It was strange, but really cool.
I feel like one of the biggest ones you should have covered is a staple of Koei's Dynasty Warriors (and subsequently Samurai Warriors) series, where they released an expansion to the entries called Xtreme Legends, which can also act as a game update if you had the original disc as well, tacking on anything that was changed gameplay wise or otherwise added onto the original's stages. Kind of counts more as an expansion, but considering being able to load the original I think it could count as both an update and a DLC.
Many times when a update did happen you had to buy the game again just to enjoy the update which is crazy. I think these days modern gaming relies on updates and release a game no matter if it works or not which is unfortunate. But one thing I loved is when a company cared you know they will release a game perfectly working great. Cool video. ^_^
The difference between Sonic rev 00 and rev 01 is regional. the extra graphical effects were updated in on the Japanese rom and if you play any copy of Sonic 1 on the original Sega Genesis for North America even in the 6-pak collection, it's going to be the rev 00 Sonic 1. There is different rev versions of Sonic 2 for North America like the goal post sign sticking out underneath the platform in Casino Zone act 1 on early copies I think. ❤
As far as I know I've watched every video of yours so I believe I've seen those other ones you mentioned in your playlist about video game updates but this was really interesting and I'm glad you're covering more of them. However, I don't recall if you talked about what they did in Pokemon pre-internet. Like basically you would what was it take it to an event and they could load something in your cartridge to get new Pokemon I don't remember how it worked maybe with some kind of Link cable things when you trade Pokemon and they would just have some kind of version of the game that has a Pokemon you can only get like Mew
Yo! Kiro! I been watchin you for years and I had no idea all of these old DLC Vids were different! As a fan, you should make your content more unique and recognizable!
I remember first playing Sim City 4 I got put off because it crashed so much. It was only when I became aware of Online patch downloads that I realised they had a patch for it and from that day on I never had it crash like that again.
I didn't know KH1 in the west had the Another Side secret ending, or at least the original version of it. Back in the day when I would watch videos on KH I would always only see the Deep Dive version from Final Mix
Okay so at 1:10 you talk about revisions 1 and 0. What would the version on the pack in "NOT FOR RESALE" cartridge of Sonic 1 for Genesis be? I managed to inherit his Genesis when i was young and started playing sonic 1 and 2 almost immediately and still load it up almost 11 years later
Some games on PC did recieve patches that were sent out to stores or had to be mailed in for. Majuular talked about how buggy the Ultima games were in his Ultima 6 Retrospective. ruclips.net/video/_aQB1gIdV_Y/видео.html Also at Least Sierra On-line's King's Quest IV had a hard lock that required a patch in 1989.
I actually played DS a ton, always made me wonder why 2 or 3 never showed up. Kinda like how I was hoping for more ps2 games on the 3ds after Dragon Quest 8.
Gotta be honest, I didn't realize that Chernabog was a specific character as a kid ... I kinda thought he was just a demonic boss heartless with a somewhat more serious design than the others. And since I was a literal child I didn't notice that he didn't have any emblems or heart shaped holes ... but in child me's defense, neither does the basic shadow heartless. And soooo ... gonna be honest I legit had to look Chernabog up. I completely forgot they were even in the game.They kind of give generic demonic evil vibes (by intention admittedly) which is kinda weird in kingdom hearts, but not at all weird in fantasy video games as a whole.
"Super" editions (various names from Super to Ultra to Deluxe, etc. etc.), regional editions that came years apart, "International" versions, and expansion packs. All sold as brand new games. Buy the game again if you want more content! And then came the "DLC rage". Those few months where people were actually upset over DLC and especially "on disc DLC", because some data was needed to be stored on disc (just like it is now in the 1.0 versions of the games) in order for early DLC to function. Short lived, but embarrassing as hell since it was just the transitional period. Growing up and seeing these things change and evolve really was something. And now we're here, it's so easy to patch-update a game now, and I for one love it. I know some people still haven't gotten through that transitional period, but it actually is way better than buying the same game like 3-4 times to get max content, or being stuck with game breaking bugs that never got patched out. Being an old man is actually awesome. I don't let my nostalgia blind me to the point where I'd actually want expansion packs and "super" editions back. If you want more content, just patch it in. It's easy.
The internet has been a double edged sword. With the benefit of easy updates some developers and publishers have developed a "We'll patch it later" mentality. Many high profile games have released in broken and unfinished states.
@@yoshimasterleaderon the other hand, when they do actually fix it later it can make the game better than it ever could’ve been. like cyberpunk’s 2.0 update
I don't know if this counts, but DLC is kind of like updates, and Sonic and Knuckles is the only example I can find of physical DLC (or I guess LOC, Lock-On Content)
My answer is, they weren't updated frequently, games had to come out in complete and fine forms. That should be standard honest, yeh patches patch, but its better to have things complete day 1. (or at least playable day 1 lol.)
0:13 oh you screwed up. If you're basing this on when games actually had online patching that was before 2006. Starcraft came out to the PC in 1998 they had done patching for the game throughout the 2000s. Warcraft 3 reign of chaos came out in 2002 and its expansion set The Frozen throne came out in 2003. The Frozen throne had many patch updates very soon after it was released. And continue to have patches throughout the rest of the decade.
I think it's fair to assume he meant with regards to console gaming, which *generally* didn't have online patching until the PS3/xbox360 gen made it easier and more widespread of a practice
@@cryobot6641 What about Halo 2 then? That had patches on original Xbox and that is 2004, They also released a physical version of the DLC and patches to allow people without internet to get them
@@majinya6199 I said that games *generally* didn't have online patching, which means it still *happened*, just not nearly as much as after the launch of the PS3 and Xbox 360.
RUclips Recommended I had the greatest hits version of San Andreas first, but it wouldn’t save the game for some reason. My uncle let me have the original release. Hot Coffee, baby which I didn’t know about during the time. I’m more familiar with the Haitian unfriendly version of Vice City. I had been noticing different revisions when downloading isos of my old games.
for some reason I like Rev 00 sonic 1 best I don't know why JP2 is much better, but the little imperfections of Rev 00 just add so much more to it for me..!? The revisions after Rev 00 just feel a little too perfect for some reason-almost as if something is off about it.. But then I realize that I grew up with a Rev 00 cartridge.
Back in the day you didn’t know you had DLC till your friend who finished the same game before you called you a liar for playing a part he (unknowingly) didn’t have access to. Ooooh the good ole days
I hate how there's no option to change the Heartless colors back to their originals. Can't stand when changes are made with little or no reasoning given why.
DLC pre-internet was in the form of expansion packs. Think Maxis. Other then that , if you mean bugs and glitches that's not dlc... Those were left in or they kept the game in testing and only released it when it was finished. bug patching and dlc not the same If you had ideas for your game you finished the game before putting it out or you made a sequel. Only pc games got EPs and patches. Cartridge games were always completed, unmodable, unpatchable, uncoppyable unhackable . Game genie could add stuff so could cheat codes but cartridge unlike CDs had no folders, no menus no way to open and overwrite, add to or delete files. Which is what EPs did. PC game patches were often also in magazines
Devs used pseudonyms back then because the companies didn't want their talent to get sniped, so they weren't allowed to use their real names. We still don't know who some of these people are.
As someone who grew up in the pre-internet days of gaming, I'm really glad this is a video series you're doing, because I get so tired of hearing "Well, back then every game released complete and didn't need updates and patches" and I'm just like "no... no they did not LOL" because if you wanted a fixed version of the game, you had to go buy it a second time, or you wouldn't even no an updated version was out there, as many game reprints had no packaging differences between versions at all!
Games *did* go through very thorough testing---mandated by the console manufacturers---to ensure they were released in good shape though. If your game was deemed to buggy it could be denied release until it was improved. The process wasn't perfect, but it did have an impact.
@@todesziege Oh for sure, I'm not denying that, I'm more frustrated with people who say updates etc *never* happened back then. It's a double edged sword, sadly. It's so easy to update games now that they get released as incomplete messes far more often than they used to, but back then, if a game was released messy, you had to buy the game again to get a fixed version
@@HybridAngelZero If you were lucky you would get a replacement. Buggy games were significantly more common on computers, where there wasn't that oversight from platform holders, but at least disks/tapes were cheaper to manufacture so replacements were more likely. And there was still not that "let's patch it on day 1" mentality. But yeah, definitely a double-edged sword.
@@kingstarscream320 Depends on what you mean by "complete". Games will almost always have _some_ planned elements cut, so while maybe not finished to the original spec, games would (unless something went very wrong) at least not be pressed to disc in a state where there were still months of development (or QA) planned to happen.
Not always true. My original copy of vice city has many glitches that got updated in later releases. Such as anytime you save at the ice cream shop base the game freezes completely and stops working. Potentially corrupting all your save data permanently. Enter the matrix on Xbox has an entire level that crashes for most users making the game impossible to complete without starting a new save and hoping it doesn’t happen again. Prince of persia sands of time and warrior within on ps2 both have save spots that glitch the game and create a endless loop making it unable to be completed
What? Yes he did, at least in one case he did. If you take anything from this video, sonic 1 rev 1 is and update from rev 0 so with that knowledge everything he mentioned was an update. All because none of them said update anywhere or updated the original disc does not mean they weren't updates to their respective games. Is it the same game but something was fixed? It's an update, just back then they had to rerelease the game for the update to go out.
Ah cart repatches/game recalls, adaptors like yes Sonic did, ah expansion packs on PC to add to thr game or GTA London PS1 with original game to load into RQM/saves then apply the London disk to the game (assuming no clue). What a time.
I wish RUclips had a filter that allowed you to filter out channels that are made by kids (Gen-Z). Not only is it because I can’t stand hearing “modern takes” on things that have nothing wrong with them, and those people have no authority to judge things they’ll never understand true context for, but because kids make videos about things that I constantly have to say “yeah, duh obviously”. It’s even worse when kids are totally wrong about what they’re talking about (which seems often). Anywho, I remember being the only person I knew that had that standard analog controller for PlayStation. It was such a strange controller, it actually had two modes and I honestly don’t remember the exact difference. I just remember the button between the sticks would turn the light from off to red to green.
Ocarina of Time is another notable example as it had two revisions. Version 1.0 is the gold cartridge version and it had an oversight where if the player saved and quit during the final boss, when they reload their save they’d be missing the Master Sword. Version 1.1, the first grey cart release, fixed this. Later grey cart versions were version 1.2 which saw more significant changes. The symbol of the gerudo was changed to an more original design that the series would continue using from them on (the original symbol resembled the flag of Turkey). The blood Ganondorf coughs up during his fight was changed from red to green, likely to avoid issues with ratings boards. Most notably the Fire Temple had its music altered to remove a vocal sample Koji Kondo originally got from a sampler CD which feature Muslim chanting, replacing it with the midi vocals used in the Shadow Temple.
The skipping cutscene feature was added to the HD 1.5 remix version of the game(which also adds 2 new abilities & remixed music), the PS2 version of Final Mix allows to skip cutscenes only after watching them once(so after you die to a boss & re enter the boss area, two options appear on screen to either skip or re-watch)
no, the movie skip mechanic were already there on FM version on PS2 (the american and japanese versions lacked this feature entirely). The issue is that it is only enabled if you already watched the cutscene at least once, so it is possible to still have to see the cutscene multiple times because the game didnt save before a fight 😂
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0:38 THIS GUY TRIED TO SPINDASH IN SONIC 1
Shhhhhh
Nahh
lol I remember the first time I played the OG on emulator and was confused when I tried spin dashing. It’s just that iconic 😅
This crime shall not go unpunished
i do that too, I'm surprised more re-releases of it doesnt have the spin dash
I want to mention something else regarding Kingdom Hearts 1 Final Mix. Back in the day, for OG Fat PS2 console models, Sony made an add-on called the PS2 Hard Disk Drive that can connect to the internet and download data that can be installed onto PS2 games. Kingdom Hearts 1 Final Mix was one of the few compatible games. The Install Data reduced load times for the game, and that’s it. It was a bit redundant because if you turned off your console and rebooted it up, the install data would be lost even if you saved your game. So each time, you had to go through this process only to reduce load times.
The most advanced use of the HDD as a game updating tool was probably the SOCOM II Addon Map Pack that you could download off of a certain OPM demo disc and then play with others who had also downloaded it. Kind of funny that you could update your game without the internet, but needed the internet to play the downloaded map
The skipping cutscene feature was added to the HD 1.5 remix version of the game(which also adds 2 new abilities & remixed music), the PS2 version of Final Mix allows to skip cutscenes only after watching them once(so after you die to a boss & re enter the boss area, two options appear on screen to either skip or re-watch)
We basically had to buy the same game twice, that’s how. Though with Kingdom Hearts, we wouldn’t get any of the final mix releases until the 1.5 and 2.5 HD remasters, and so those of us who grew up with the series on the PS2 were essentially playing them for the first time. Which’s was extra confusing for younger me due to Kingdom Hearts 2 including a cutscene from 1 that was exclusive to the final mix version.
Yeah, for all the hate DLC gets, it is much better than what we had before. There's no Kingdom Hearts 3 Final Mix, Pokemon has stopped releasing updated versions of their games a year later, fighting games don't need to re-released just to add new characters or to re-balance things anymore, etc.
@@darrenmacqueen9884 Hell, even Atlus made Episode Aigis as DLC for Persona 3 Reload, instead of just rereleasing it a year later like with every other game of theirs as Persona 3 Second Reload or some shiet.
@amirgarcia547 True. I really hated how they did that with Persona 5. I thought we were past that point in the industry. I refused to buy Persona 5 Royal for that reason. Already bought it once and played it, not buying it a second time on the same console.
@@darrenmacqueen9884 I thought KH3 Final Mix was Re:Mind, unless I'm getting something incorrect here.
@NicholasStabile Remind was dlc that added some extra story content. And that's exactly my point. They were able to add dlc instead of making us have to buy the entire game again. In the PS2 days, they would added that content in Kingdom Hearts 3 Final Mix instead. And we'd need to pay full price all over again. And in the West, we might not have gotten it at all.
Adding an limited conditional (i guess) to save the game is alredy brutal, but reducing the amount of times you can do it is overkill
Didn't we already have this video?
Technically yes, but this is sorta a part 2 - only way I figured that out was from this video’s description
@@Raidraptor_-_Ultimate_Falconthis is like a part 4
This video must be Rev A or Rev 01😆
Yes he had to remove the transgender and Chinese racism joke
It's being updated the same way😂
Sonic 1 in North America on Genesis was ONLY REV00, there has been no evidence that REV01 was ever released here. Not even through Sonic Compilation / Classics. Likewise, there has been no evidence that REV00 was ever released in Japan. The ROM Header calling it a JUE is a misnomer because all it means is that the cartridge itself isn't region locked.
1:24 The difference between PS5 and PS5 Pro
nah, cause I could notice the clouds moving
@CracAintWack I know, I am continuing the joke, by saying that the difference between the ps5 and ps5 is so small, that even the difference between revision 0 and 1 is bigger.
@@CracAintWack gonna make this less awk, funny joke guys very cool 👍
@@CracAintWackdid you forget
@@BulbminFan yep
3:23 Translation:
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Hirokazu Yasuhara
Naoto Oshima
Ishiwata Jina
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Back in 2005, there was a rumor that they were going to release a disc/memory card file that added tag matches to Smackdown vs. RAW's online mode... and we believed it.
That's not actually that stupid. The PlayStation 2's system firmware can actually load files containing updated versions of itself from the memory card. There's no mechanism to actually flash said updated firmware image onto the ROM chip, but every time the system's switched on, any such file will get loaded into RAM and then run in place of whatever version's on the ROM chip.
While this is arguably best known for being how FreeMCBoot works, being an unofficial "update" you install to the memory card, it did get some notable official uses too, via install CDs that usually came with a relevant product. These are known as "Utility Discs". For example, the DVD remote came with a CD to update the DVD player to support it. The very first systems manufactured in Japan had to make do without any DVD video support due to deadline limitations, and came packaged with a CD to install the DVD player. The network adapter and hard drive also needed the firmware updated to support them, and funnily enough the hard drive itself can have firmware files booted off of it too!
This allowed Sony of Japan to eventually go batshit insane and release the BroadBand Navigator, a full-blown replacement for the system menu with all kinds of cutting-edge features! There was a web browser, there were special online menus hosted by various dev studios to provide announcements and even downloadable games & demos, there was MiniDisc support (until it got removed), on top of the audio and especially the visuals being redone compared to the vanilla system menu. It was like the XMB menu, except it came before the XMB menu.
I love your videos Kiro! Please keep making them. I'm learning English and they're such amazing way to learn new words and expand my gaming knowledge
Sonic 3 and k was og dlc and people forget that when they talk about sonic dlc
it wasn’t downloadable though.
@@giganticmoonstill Orginal dlc
@@giganticmoontrue, though it was the first example of additional content for a game
@@ObsessiveGeek yeah, it was.
@@ObsessiveGeek Not really. Add-on content had been available for home computers for years, and even on NES extra levels for games had been released on cassette tape (in Japan).
Im a simple man. i see Sonic and Kingdom Hearts, i click
You have some great tastes
@@seaslash20 thank you
Autism
Games didn't require updates from 97-2005. Games like Quake I had one official patch, and that was it!
I consider myself to be very knowledgeable about Sonic, but I never knew about Revision 00 and Revision 01's differences. Very fascinating.
Same, first time hearing about the different names and revisions. My extension of knowledge of revisions for the original trilogy were really just box art changes, text differences, naming changes, etc.
People who use Emulators know about game roms that are either Rev A or Rev 01😆
same i felt like i knew everything about the games but this just proved me wrong
How did developers update their games pre-internet?
That's the neat part, they didn't
instead they just sold a 1.1 version of the game and stopped production of 1.0 either that or they'd come out with a special edition or a director's cut or a collectors edition or a 3rd version like pokemon platinum or a remake a few years later or they fix it in the international version or they'd fix it in a port to a different console or they'd create a games collection and fix it there
There's also the expantion packs on PC games, like Final Doom, Duke Nukem 3D Atomic Edition, etc, etc. Expansion packs were pretty cool actually
@@roadkill_52 you mean the floppy discs that's before my time so i won't know
@@ultimate_pleb Expansion packs were basically additional content such as new levels for existing games and those also came on CDs, and those also often supplied patches. Today those are called DLCs now.
Some developers in the 90s distributed patches via offline means such as magazine CDs that you could install over the older version of a game or support alongside the Internet which not everyone had that (or dial-in services such as BBSes, AOL, CompuServe etc). And some games got regular patches like the id Software's Doom that had a dozen updates for it's original DOS version.
@@seraphinax6449 ight
Love RE1 Deadly Silence. Shout to my grandma buying me this on summer break in Oklahoma. It was the first time I actually beat RE1 because as a kid my copy of Directors cut scared me lmao
Actually, DLCs, the way we know them today, were already a thing back in the 90s, ans SEGA made them. IIRC, there was a way to install free event maps and updates for Sonic Adventure through an old and obscure official website. I don't remember too much about them, but those were basically free DLCs that worked almost the same way modern DLCs do.
On PCs, you had to manually download patches on websites as opposed to getting them automatically.
It's great to see some good gaming content
Generally back then when it came to major glitches that could even make the game unplayable they would release a new physical copy version of the game that would replace the original release in store shelves while you could also often trade in your effected release copy of the game for the patched release for free like if it was a recall of a product.
I loved going to GameStop for Pokémon dlc!
1:00 No, everyone I've met played REV00... Unless they were Japanese or happened to emulate a Japanese ROM...
One thing you didn’t mention about the DS version of Resident Evil is that it introduced a weird multiplayer mode, a first for the Resident Evil series. It let you compete or team up together to run through a challenge type mode, only you could only see the other player as a big star.
It was strange, but really cool.
In Crash Bandicoot Wrath of Cortex, the ps2 version had a LONG loading time, but this was fix in the greatest hits collection.
I feel like one of the biggest ones you should have covered is a staple of Koei's Dynasty Warriors (and subsequently Samurai Warriors) series, where they released an expansion to the entries called Xtreme Legends, which can also act as a game update if you had the original disc as well, tacking on anything that was changed gameplay wise or otherwise added onto the original's stages. Kind of counts more as an expansion, but considering being able to load the original I think it could count as both an update and a DLC.
Many times when a update did happen you had to buy the game again just to enjoy the update which is crazy. I think these days modern gaming relies on updates and release a game no matter if it works or not which is unfortunate. But one thing I loved is when a company cared you know they will release a game perfectly working great. Cool video. ^_^
The difference between Sonic rev 00 and rev 01 is regional. the extra graphical effects were updated in on the Japanese rom and if you play any copy of Sonic 1 on the original Sega Genesis for North America even in the 6-pak collection, it's going to be the rev 00 Sonic 1. There is different rev versions of Sonic 2 for North America like the goal post sign sticking out underneath the platform in Casino Zone act 1 on early copies I think. ❤
As far as I know I've watched every video of yours so I believe I've seen those other ones you mentioned in your playlist about video game updates but this was really interesting and I'm glad you're covering more of them. However, I don't recall if you talked about what they did in Pokemon pre-internet. Like basically you would what was it take it to an event and they could load something in your cartridge to get new Pokemon I don't remember how it worked maybe with some kind of Link cable things when you trade Pokemon and they would just have some kind of version of the game that has a Pokemon you can only get like Mew
Yo! Kiro!
I been watchin you for years and I had no idea all of these old DLC Vids were different!
As a fan, you should make your content more unique and recognizable!
I remember first playing Sim City 4 I got put off because it crashed so much. It was only when I became aware of Online patch downloads that I realised they had a patch for it and from that day on I never had it crash like that again.
Interesting to see how many different versions there are of the same game.
I didn't know KH1 in the west had the Another Side secret ending, or at least the original version of it. Back in the day when I would watch videos on KH I would always only see the Deep Dive version from Final Mix
I just checked the 6-Pak and the Sonic Classics cart. Nope. Both Revision 00 like my "not for resale" copy.
Okay so at 1:10 you talk about revisions 1 and 0. What would the version on the pack in "NOT FOR RESALE" cartridge of Sonic 1 for Genesis be? I managed to inherit his Genesis when i was young and started playing sonic 1 and 2 almost immediately and still load it up almost 11 years later
Insanely good video!
The up down left right code was definitely on American versions and I wasn't that complicated
Some games on PC did recieve patches that were sent out to stores or had to be mailed in for. Majuular talked about how buggy the Ultima games were in his Ultima 6 Retrospective.
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Also at Least Sierra On-line's King's Quest IV had a hard lock that required a patch in 1989.
Bro did not call Tidus, Teedus (12:44)
I actually played DS a ton, always made me wonder why 2 or 3 never showed up. Kinda like how I was hoping for more ps2 games on the 3ds after Dragon Quest 8.
Gotta be honest, I didn't realize that Chernabog was a specific character as a kid ... I kinda thought he was just a demonic boss heartless with a somewhat more serious design than the others. And since I was a literal child I didn't notice that he didn't have any emblems or heart shaped holes ... but in child me's defense, neither does the basic shadow heartless. And soooo ... gonna be honest I legit had to look Chernabog up. I completely forgot they were even in the game.They kind of give generic demonic evil vibes (by intention admittedly) which is kinda weird in kingdom hearts, but not at all weird in fantasy video games as a whole.
Imagine if the Kingdom Hearts contest had been won by a guy called Graham Smedley and the hardest boss in the game were called that.
"Super" editions (various names from Super to Ultra to Deluxe, etc. etc.), regional editions that came years apart, "International" versions, and expansion packs. All sold as brand new games. Buy the game again if you want more content!
And then came the "DLC rage". Those few months where people were actually upset over DLC and especially "on disc DLC", because some data was needed to be stored on disc (just like it is now in the 1.0 versions of the games) in order for early DLC to function. Short lived, but embarrassing as hell since it was just the transitional period.
Growing up and seeing these things change and evolve really was something. And now we're here, it's so easy to patch-update a game now, and I for one love it. I know some people still haven't gotten through that transitional period, but it actually is way better than buying the same game like 3-4 times to get max content, or being stuck with game breaking bugs that never got patched out.
Being an old man is actually awesome. I don't let my nostalgia blind me to the point where I'd actually want expansion packs and "super" editions back. If you want more content, just patch it in. It's easy.
The internet has been a double edged sword. With the benefit of easy updates some developers and publishers have developed a "We'll patch it later" mentality. Many high profile games have released in broken and unfinished states.
@@yoshimasterleaderon the other hand, when they do actually fix it later it can make the game better than it ever could’ve been. like cyberpunk’s 2.0 update
@@danielsmokesmids There are also many cases where patches have made games worse. As the above poster said, a double-edged sword.
I don't know if this counts, but DLC is kind of like updates, and Sonic and Knuckles is the only example I can find of physical DLC (or I guess LOC, Lock-On Content)
They didn't lock on, but "mission disks" was a thing on home computers since the '80s.
i cant believe i got jumpscared by a freaking eye 5:29
I think he likes Sonic
..and now we take a dive into the wonderful world of revisions.
They should re colored the heartless to make them look darker
My answer is, they weren't updated frequently, games had to come out in complete and fine forms. That should be standard honest, yeh patches patch, but its better to have things complete day 1. (or at least playable day 1 lol.)
I've bought 4 copies of sonic 1 on genesis. All Rev 0. I gave up trying to get the scrolling clouds...
0:13 oh you screwed up. If you're basing this on when games actually had online patching that was before 2006. Starcraft came out to the PC in 1998 they had done patching for the game throughout the 2000s. Warcraft 3 reign of chaos came out in 2002 and its expansion set The Frozen throne came out in 2003. The Frozen throne had many patch updates very soon after it was released. And continue to have patches throughout the rest of the decade.
I think it's fair to assume he meant with regards to console gaming, which *generally* didn't have online patching until the PS3/xbox360 gen made it easier and more widespread of a practice
All bro says is that’s when it became common practice. PCs could do it but consoles couldn’t as easily, which is most of the gaming market.
PC games had online patches since before the world-wide-web existed. People could download patches from BBS servers in some cases.
@@cryobot6641 What about Halo 2 then? That had patches on original Xbox and that is 2004, They also released a physical version of the DLC and patches to allow people without internet to get them
@@majinya6199 I said that games *generally* didn't have online patching, which means it still *happened*, just not nearly as much as after the launch of the PS3 and Xbox 360.
Ah the early days!
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I had the greatest hits version of San Andreas first, but it wouldn’t save the game for some reason. My uncle let me have the original release. Hot Coffee, baby which I didn’t know about during the time.
I’m more familiar with the Haitian unfriendly version of Vice City.
I had been noticing different revisions when downloading isos of my old games.
I think there's room for an entire video just to talk about both the mainline Final Fantasy games and Kingdom Hearts releases on Playstation 2
I liked the kingdom hearts differences the most
Pre internet? I'm still waiting for my ps3 brother in arms hell's highway glitch patch, from falling through the map.
for some reason I like Rev 00 sonic 1 best
I don't know why
JP2 is much better, but the little imperfections of Rev 00 just add so much more to it for me..!?
The revisions after Rev 00 just feel a little too perfect for some reason-almost as if something is off about it..
But then I realize that I grew up with a Rev 00 cartridge.
Back in the day you didn’t know you had DLC till your friend who finished the same game before you called you a liar for playing a part he (unknowingly) didn’t have access to. Ooooh the good ole days
Isn't this an reupload?
Edit: Nvm
No this has different games but yes, it is the same concept
Check the description.
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How do you know? It uploaded less than four minutes ago and it’s twenty minutes long.
Bro didnt even finished the vídeo ☠️🙏
w ratio 🔥🔥watch the whole video yn
I hate how there's no option to change the Heartless colors back to their originals. Can't stand when changes are made with little or no reasoning given why.
Those the greatest hits version of KH fix or add something? Sometime developers do that in the greatest hits versions of the games
Special editions!
4:16 Why are you playing the same clip twice, you're gonna humiliate yourself even more
4:32. this explains a lot. When I played the classic Sonic trilogy recently I was weirded out when I didn't die combo-ed by the spikes
Can you make a game box art part 2 but only show the US and EU versions? (I kinda find those interesting)
Finally, some not-Sonic video
0:30 FFFFFFFUUUUUUU
Interesting how Western version of RE1 was harder than Japanese. Its other way round in most cases
Bro, don’t tell me Ty records Taylor time and Kirk are the same person
DLC pre-internet was in the form of expansion packs. Think Maxis. Other then that , if you mean bugs and glitches that's not dlc... Those were left in or they kept the game in testing and only released it when it was finished.
bug patching and dlc not the same
If you had ideas for your game you finished the game before putting it out or you made a sequel. Only pc games got EPs and patches. Cartridge games were always completed, unmodable, unpatchable, uncoppyable unhackable . Game genie could add stuff so could cheat codes but cartridge unlike CDs had no folders, no menus no way to open and overwrite, add to or delete files. Which is what EPs did.
PC game patches were often also in magazines
Devs used pseudonyms back then because the companies didn't want their talent to get sniped, so they weren't allowed to use their real names. We still don't know who some of these people are.
Please don’t tell me Kiro Taylor time and Ty records are the same person
You go to your game store and hope it's new enough
As someone who grew up in the pre-internet days of gaming, I'm really glad this is a video series you're doing, because I get so tired of hearing "Well, back then every game released complete and didn't need updates and patches" and I'm just like "no... no they did not LOL" because if you wanted a fixed version of the game, you had to go buy it a second time, or you wouldn't even no an updated version was out there, as many game reprints had no packaging differences between versions at all!
Games *did* go through very thorough testing---mandated by the console manufacturers---to ensure they were released in good shape though.
If your game was deemed to buggy it could be denied release until it was improved. The process wasn't perfect, but it did have an impact.
@@todesziege Oh for sure, I'm not denying that, I'm more frustrated with people who say updates etc *never* happened back then. It's a double edged sword, sadly. It's so easy to update games now that they get released as incomplete messes far more often than they used to, but back then, if a game was released messy, you had to buy the game again to get a fixed version
@@HybridAngelZero If you were lucky you would get a replacement.
Buggy games were significantly more common on computers, where there wasn't that oversight from platform holders, but at least disks/tapes were cheaper to manufacture so replacements were more likely. And there was still not that "let's patch it on day 1" mentality.
But yeah, definitely a double-edged sword.
Most of them didn’t release “complete”. Doesn’t mean they needed updates or patches.
@@kingstarscream320 Depends on what you mean by "complete". Games will almost always have _some_ planned elements cut, so while maybe not finished to the original spec, games would (unless something went very wrong) at least not be pressed to disc in a state where there were still months of development (or QA) planned to happen.
0:00 SpongeBob and Patrick
They weren’t, they were ready to go before launch
Not always true. My original copy of vice city has many glitches that got updated in later releases. Such as anytime you save at the ice cream shop base the game freezes completely and stops working. Potentially corrupting all your save data permanently. Enter the matrix on Xbox has an entire level that crashes for most users making the game impossible to complete without starting a new save and hoping it doesn’t happen again. Prince of persia sands of time and warrior within on ps2 both have save spots that glitch the game and create a endless loop making it unable to be completed
How were games updated? They made a new one.
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Bro you didn’t even talk about the games being updated smh
What? Yes he did, at least in one case he did. If you take anything from this video, sonic 1 rev 1 is and update from rev 0 so with that knowledge everything he mentioned was an update. All because none of them said update anywhere or updated the original disc does not mean they weren't updates to their respective games. Is it the same game but something was fixed? It's an update, just back then they had to rerelease the game for the update to go out.
It was a better time.
this video is not about dlc
Ah cart repatches/game recalls, adaptors like yes Sonic did, ah expansion packs on PC to add to thr game or GTA London PS1 with original game to load into RQM/saves then apply the London disk to the game (assuming no clue). What a time.
TL;DR they didn't
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3 minutes?
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Games weren't updated pre internet.
Comrades ? Why is stars communist ?
Platinum editions
I wish RUclips had a filter that allowed you to filter out channels that are made by kids (Gen-Z). Not only is it because I can’t stand hearing “modern takes” on things that have nothing wrong with them, and those people have no authority to judge things they’ll never understand true context for, but because kids make videos about things that I constantly have to say “yeah, duh obviously”. It’s even worse when kids are totally wrong about what they’re talking about (which seems often). Anywho, I remember being the only person I knew that had that standard analog controller for PlayStation. It was such a strange controller, it actually had two modes and I honestly don’t remember the exact difference. I just remember the button between the sticks would turn the light from off to red to green.
hey kid, wanna buy street fighter 2 for the SNES six times?
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Resident Evil Video start at 10:25.
Very funny, funny man.
Simple they rerelease the game
Huh, somebody should tell Atlus they can update their games via internet cause with all the rereleases they must think we're in the PS2 era XD
One minute and 3 views? Bro fell off💀💀
nobody has ever made this joke befoee
for the love of god shut up
3 likes in 7 minutes? Bro fell off 💀 💀
"One minute and 3 views? Bro fell off 💀💀" 🤓
@@Tyrantnovet what if I want to be brain dead? What if I want you to BELIEVE I am brain dead? What if I am two steps ahead?
3:30 Well... "C. Yas"
Also that screen is ALWAYS loaded, only that its all black on the normal sonic team presents
Ocarina of Time is another notable example as it had two revisions. Version 1.0 is the gold cartridge version and it had an oversight where if the player saved and quit during the final boss, when they reload their save they’d be missing the Master Sword. Version 1.1, the first grey cart release, fixed this. Later grey cart versions were version 1.2 which saw more significant changes. The symbol of the gerudo was changed to an more original design that the series would continue using from them on (the original symbol resembled the flag of Turkey). The blood Ganondorf coughs up during his fight was changed from red to green, likely to avoid issues with ratings boards. Most notably the Fire Temple had its music altered to remove a vocal sample Koji Kondo originally got from a sampler CD which feature Muslim chanting, replacing it with the midi vocals used in the Shadow Temple.
The skipping cutscene feature was added to the HD 1.5 remix version of the game(which also adds 2 new abilities & remixed music), the PS2 version of Final Mix allows to skip cutscenes only after watching them once(so after you die to a boss & re enter the boss area, two options appear on screen to either skip or re-watch)
no, the movie skip mechanic were already there on FM version on PS2 (the american and japanese versions lacked this feature entirely). The issue is that it is only enabled if you already watched the cutscene at least once, so it is possible to still have to see the cutscene multiple times because the game didnt save before a fight 😂
@lordeilluminati
OK?
That's what I am saying, I wrote that the PS2 FM also allows skipping after first watch. Did you read my comment?🤨