I just read a book about the recovery of ships in Pearl Harbor in wwii. We sure have forgotten how to do ship recovery. In wwii they would have had this up and floating by now.
There are so many EPA regulations that have been put in place since those days and is one of the differences between the two. In WWII the only concern was to get them up and back into service at any cost which for many unfortunate sailors didn't happen soon enough.
You should watch the amazing work they did on you tube about the Pearl Harbor recovery. Got things under control just in time for battle damaged ships to come in and be repaired. Amazing work
These clowns couldn't save an inflated paper bag if it were drowning. That ships hull is probably riddled with small holes. Pump water out above as it enters the ship from below.
What the Japanese couldn’t do.. possibly neglect could pull off. I’m not pointing fingers at the group of great people that have preserved this national treasure this long..a 3/8” thick skin isn’t helping matters at all. God Bless you all in your quest to save and preserve this museum.
Ships are expensive and very difficult to maintain. A lot of museum ships are in similar conditions and it honestly isn't too surprising. Nothing lasts forever. The water will erode the ship. If not water, then wind and rain will.
I served on several of the destroyers that came after that class and ours had paperthin halls they were all built for a one-way trip they were built for anything else but they go fast and never come home fortunately the Sullivans came home however they obviously have not taken care to put zinc and electrodes in the water to slow down the corrosion process on the steel hall and now it’s probably got a split down in the after Engine room bilges the way the ship is setting that’s my guess of where the rip in the hull
Hate to say it the ship is a total loss at this stage it needs to be lifted and dry docked and have repairs done and i don't see anyone stepping up to pay the bill for it. At this rate its cheaper to sell it for scrap.
You'd actually be wrong. The costs into disposing a ship like this according to environmental regulations can be quite expensive in itself. And no it's not a total loss, it just takes the right conditions to survey where the water is coming in and the best way to stop it, dewater, and raise her. She's sitting on the bottom right now so quite stable.
Yea I hate to say it too it's been underwater way too long at this point. The electronics are toast. Everything has it time. Fake Spring around here didn't help. The City is not gonna pay for the repairs so toime to scrap her .
@@davidhuggins3892 What electronics that matter? You do realize this is a museum ship right? The only electrical it has is shore powered to lighting, pumps, and preservation equipment. Yes there will be a mess and yes some things will rust faster if they aren't cleaned up but it's nothing unfixable.
@@davidhuggins3892, I would almost agree with you except for one thing. There are ships that have been under water for longer that have been saved. The battleship Oklahoma was submerged from 7Dec41 until Nov 1942.
It's 19APR22 and the Coast Guard colonel lists the tasks that were known a long time ago: find the leak, assess the leak and plug the leak. I thought they would have patched it by now. I guess they will scrap it. The case of the Sullivans was tragic and it would be feasible to name another craft after them.
Because dry dock time is both expensive and hard to get. These ships are in private hands. Their only income is from tourism (Two years of pandemic blocked that) and from donations and if they are very lucky some state funding. They are also deactivated with as many passages open as possible to improve ventilation and reduce humidity. The Sullivans is a good weathervane of what will eventually befall a great many museum ships without big attraction.
All museum ships are in the same boat. No pun intended . They are always tight on money and trying to do a dollar worth of work with a dime. Instead of pointing fingers donate some money to one of them to help keep them around. These destroyers have 3/8 inch or 10 mm hulls below water line at time of build 80 years ago. Time takes a toll on steel. Battle ship Texas had one and two foot thick steel it's now down to 1/8 inch 2-3mm in areas . An dry dock for a destroyer 376 feet long is 3-5 million dollars US.
Raising the ship isn't the problem. The question is how bad is the hull breach and how much additional hull plating might rupture from dewatering and salvaging. It's a slow process.
I just read a book about the recovery of ships in Pearl Harbor in wwii. We sure have forgotten how to do ship recovery. In wwii they would have had this up and floating by now.
There are so many EPA regulations that have been put in place since those days and is one of the differences between the two. In WWII the only concern was to get them up and back into service at any cost which for many unfortunate sailors didn't happen soon enough.
Newz flash...those ships weren't 80yrs old at Pearl Harbor.
The Sullivans hasn't been properly maintained since it arrived in 1977. Semper-fi 🇺🇸🇺🇦🇺🇸
@@MajTom-wd2yt you do know the US is giving billions of dollars to ukraine right. Waste of money,shit hole corrupt country. Watch the duran
Spot on! There is a great 3 part series on the Pearl Harbor recovery effort. This is part one. ruclips.net/video/bB-V9cCSC8o/видео.html
You should watch the amazing work they did on you tube about the Pearl Harbor recovery. Got things under control just in time for battle damaged ships to come in and be repaired. Amazing work
Donated Yesterday. Please find a way to save her USCG! EX LS Royal Australian Navy! 🇺🇸🗽🦅🇦🇺🏴☠️
Bad management for years.
Now they want everyone to donate.
These clowns couldn't save an inflated paper bag if it were drowning. That ships hull is probably riddled with small holes.
Pump water out above as it enters the ship from below.
What the Japanese couldn’t do.. possibly neglect could pull off. I’m not pointing fingers at the group of great people that have preserved this national treasure this long..a 3/8” thick skin isn’t helping matters at all. God Bless you all in your quest to save and preserve this museum.
Lol
Ships are expensive and very difficult to maintain. A lot of museum ships are in similar conditions and it honestly isn't too surprising. Nothing lasts forever. The water will erode the ship. If not water, then wind and rain will.
NY is going to destroy that poor ship. What a Shame.
I served on several of the destroyers that came after that class and ours had paperthin halls they were all built for a one-way trip they were built for anything else but they go fast and never come home fortunately the Sullivans came home however they obviously have not taken care to put zinc and electrodes in the water to slow down the corrosion process on the steel hall and now it’s probably got a split down in the after Engine room bilges the way the ship is setting that’s my guess of where the rip in the hull
it has settled they said 2 days ago.... today the name of the ship is underwater .... blaming pleasure craft for their wakes is laughable smh
I wish they would quit talking about the bill and get to making it upright again dam
I suspect the hull is badly rusted below the waterline .
Hate to say it the ship is a total loss at this stage it needs to be lifted and dry docked and have repairs done and i don't see anyone stepping up to pay the bill for it. At this rate its cheaper to sell it for scrap.
You'd actually be wrong. The costs into disposing a ship like this according to environmental regulations can be quite expensive in itself. And no it's not a total loss, it just takes the right conditions to survey where the water is coming in and the best way to stop it, dewater, and raise her. She's sitting on the bottom right now so quite stable.
I'll wager if Elon Musk was asked to help he would.
Yea I hate to say it too it's been underwater way too long at this point. The electronics are toast. Everything has it time. Fake Spring around here didn't help. The City is not gonna pay for the repairs so toime to scrap her .
@@davidhuggins3892 What electronics that matter? You do realize this is a museum ship right? The only electrical it has is shore powered to lighting, pumps, and preservation equipment. Yes there will be a mess and yes some things will rust faster if they aren't cleaned up but it's nothing unfixable.
@@davidhuggins3892, I would almost agree with you except for one thing. There are ships that have been under water for longer that have been saved. The battleship Oklahoma was submerged from 7Dec41 until Nov 1942.
Can they have a crane to slowly pull it up?
It's 19APR22 and the Coast Guard colonel lists the tasks that were known a long time ago: find the leak, assess the leak and plug the leak. I thought they would have patched it by now. I guess they will scrap it. The case of the Sullivans was tragic and it would be feasible to name another craft after them.
There’s an active duty destroyer named after them
She is a Captain. The Navy and Coast Guard don't have Colonels, they have Captains.
at this rate it may be called "sinking the Sullivans". this is so sad.
Divers? They should have used drones three days ago.
She has everyone's attention now...
Sharing
Scrap it. Problem solved.
What a tragedy for such an esteemed craft. Only in a left wing state like this could happen. (See USS Texas). Sullivan bros please rest in peace!
Uss Texas is in Houston?
The battle is being lost. Why was this allowed to happen?
Because dry dock time is both expensive and hard to get. These ships are in private hands. Their only income is from tourism (Two years of pandemic blocked that) and from donations and if they are very lucky some state funding. They are also deactivated with as many passages open as possible to improve ventilation and reduce humidity. The Sullivans is a good weathervane of what will eventually befall a great many museum ships without big attraction.
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All museum ships are in the same boat. No pun intended . They are always tight on money and trying to do a dollar worth of work with a dime. Instead of pointing fingers donate some money to one of them to help keep them around. These destroyers have 3/8 inch or 10 mm hulls below water line at time of build 80 years ago. Time takes a toll on steel. Battle ship Texas had one and two foot thick steel it's now down to 1/8 inch 2-3mm in areas . An dry dock for a destroyer 376 feet long is 3-5 million dollars US.
Scrap it
Inflatable air-bags would save the ship I believe
Raising the ship isn't the problem. The question is how bad is the hull breach and how much additional hull plating might rupture from dewatering and salvaging. It's a slow process.
@@Cragified maybe not. it could be from vandalism. Could be a valve even. It happened quick. Now its a mess