TRRS 421: EMD SW9 Locomotive Cold Start - C&M 7014
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Starting a locomotive is similar to starting a car, in that you should check the fluids and crank her over. But, that is where the similarities end.
Follow the crew of the Coopersville & Marne Railway, as they fire up their venerable SW9, originally built for the Grand Trunk Western.
The engineer walks through the process, from throwing the electrical knife switch to cranking over the engine and rolling the engine out of the engine house.
SPECIAL THANKS: to the Coopersville & Marne Railway, who graciously allowed access to go behind-the-scenes. Truly appreciated!
Consist:
- CPMY 7014 [SW9]
Location/Time:
- CPMY Ry, Coopersville, MI, firing the 7014, on 1-10-15 at 13:45 EST
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I love it. It was an odd thing for me when the yard went from steam switchers to diesel, but I was even more hooked. Then I saw the huge stainless streamliner sitting in the yard waiting to go out. Couldn't get better.
Great vid, looks like she is being treated with tender loving care. Good on ya guys.
What an awesome video. Thanks for showing us start-up procedures. Glad to see you wearing gloves and a warm hat! Stay warm and safe out there.
awesome............!
love the old guages and meters...like the dials on my vacuum tube radios.....
Know what you mean buddy!
73 - oh8xat
That engine is loved and pampered! Look at how clean the cab and engine block is! Great knowledge of how to maintain a locomotive. That’s how you keep a half century old locomotive in great shape!!!
Theres an air hose in the cab for just that purpose...😁
There are three 1955 V6 EMDS still in service 2 in sand springs, and 1 in Sapulpa Oklahoma
I worked on these, back in 1975, for Southern Railway. RUclips brought this video around again, for a second look-see, after 5 years.
When I was a kid 1971 I spent a wonderful hour in an AE Goodwin 48 class locomotive of NSWGR. We were shunting stuff in Queanbeyan.
Absolutely illegal!! but a kids dream. The 44 class being my favourite but never got the chance of getting inside one.
That was great, I enjoyed every minute of it!
Nice locomotive, you guys take good care of that machine. great sound too.
Starts and runs better then a new Ford!!!
not a 2006 ford f-350
Mine is running the moment the key is turned.
sounds really good
Awesome startup! Thank you for sharing!
Beautiful
GREAT footage, enjoyed watching 😎👍
By way of contrast to this startup procedure, emergency diesel generators at nuclear power plants have to start and be ready to pick up a load in 10 seconds from a dead stop. Our plant has 4 EMD 20-645E4 diesel generator sets rated at 3600 BHP. Each generator's output is 3MW @ 4160 Volts. These are the same diesels used in SD45s. Lubricating oil is flowing constantly and coolant heaters have the engine at operating temperature. Air motors attached to air tanks turn over the engine on a start signal. It's quite impressive to be in the room when it goes from dead stop to 900 RPM in 10 secs.
That'd be quite the video, eh? Gotta keep those rods cool...or else!
Could you maybe do a video about it? Sounds exiting.
Nice. Would like to hear that some time. I'm an ex EMD employee gone to work for UPRR
Very cool. I would've opened the shed doors before creating all that carcinogenic smoke, myself, but hey, whatever. Great vid. Love it.
It was cold, but I opened it right away.
Your making one mistake when you started that EMD, I worked as a locomotive fireman and engineer starting in January 1971. First time I started a locomotive I was told never start an engine like that again.
I asked what I did wrong? You released the starter button before the engine hit idle rpm. Huh? You have to keep the starter depressed until the engine reaches idle then and only then do you release the starter button otherwise there is a lot of current flowing through both starter contactors leading to burned contacts. By holding the button in and waiting till the engine settles down to an idle there is virtually no current flowing through the starter contacts. That's why you never release the button until it settles down to an idle. Three weeks later I had a engine that wouldn't turn over and I found the positive contractor welded in the closed position. Pried the contractor apart and then was able to start the engine but had to pry it apart again to get the Auxiliary generator to close and begin charging the battery.
Makes so much sense, but it's something i would have never thought about myself.
George Mezzomo The contactor opening on high current produces an Arc, the arc being much much hotter than what the rated current will ever produce through the contacts. Usually this just wears the contacts significantly and you can get them sticking open. Further, if you combine that with contact chatter (quickly energising and de energising ) You can get the situation where the arc melts the contacts together and the starter/device stays on.
@@jamesgarage1223 Right, but his point remains -- peak current is when it first starts. Once it starts spinning, the current will remain essentially the same. So once the engine starts firing, it doesn't matter when you let go, the current through the motor isn't going to decrease after that. The OP's advice makes zero sense.
i was engineer on tug outta Golden Meadow , we had the 16vee 3000shp 900 revs , noisy screaming strokers, reliable though, i did not blow down each start
No you were not. You worked as a bait boy catching minnows and selling them to the fishing pier on the bridge. Along with frogs.
I like train videos on RUclips 👍
This fellow is Nathan Fillion's brother from another mother.
looks like U guys are havin' a good old time! i'm jealous.
Thank you for the effort, very much appreciated.
That engine is a two-cycle 567 EMD.
Probably a 12-V-567
Same design as a Detroit or GMC truck engine.
EMD is/was a division of General Motors Inc., (i.e. Electro Motive Division)
nicely done
Very cool to watch - 👍
Love those Geeps...
Now if we could just get a Cat 3406 and a Cummins 350 big cam to idle as smooth as this train engine, then we’re doing something
So, it that just an abnormally y’all garage door? Or is there something special about it? It looks like a normal 2 car garage, just really tall.
Yup a standard garbage door width, just more segments to get the proper height. A stronger opener/spring too I assume
@@ThornappleRiverRailSeries huh, that's pretty interesting, I'm not sure why you'd need some sort of special garage door, so it shouldn't surprise me that much. But I bet it's pretty easy to fix, just take a trip down to your local hardware store, and you're all good, lol.
Square air box covers makes me wonder what make of engine it really is, Maybe Cleveland??
It's an EMD 567 prime mover
EMD 567B
How old are you at the video
SW9
Just Like The 1553 Down In Wheeling Pittsburg Steel My ole Man Operated & ME TOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KOOL !@#$$$%^&
Who gives this a thumbs down, some little pimp sitting in front of his computer. 💻
Wow cool cold start of the switcher
I've watched this several times. Just listening to the engine hum along, and pulling it out of the barn. NEAT! Thanks for posting.
Chris Kelling
When the camera panned to the diagram on the side of the cab wall, I realized that this engine is the one I had for my Lionel train decades ago. I never knew it was the EMD SW9.
And by coincidence I just bought 2 days ago an N scale loco similar to this
I had one of those too for the Lionel set. Mine was blue colored.
Jeff Halverson The Lionel locos were actually more based on the NW2, but given the nature of toys it’s similar to both.
Could be a number of the SW variants.
I needed to learn how to start one of these things just in case of a zombie apocalypse
SgtFred USMC yep, bulletproof
Thats the best lookin SW9 I think I've seen, even down to the hinges on the longhood doors. You wont see anything like this on a class 1 railroad in the USA
This engine is only a couple miles away from me. I now know how to start it... brb, gonna have some fun.
I got one if you don't lol
@@nunyabizness199 they sell reverse handles exactly like that at ace hardware
@@FlyBri2112 No, they don't
@@nunyabizness199 yea no they do lol i work at one
@@chappelchastain9194 Really now, since when do they sell locomotive reverser handles for GM locomotives.. Sorry, NO WAY JOSE.
Great video. And no irritating background music!!
She looks gorgeous and runs great even after 50 years,a benchmark of all emd products.Also she retains her old 567B engine block with factory parts.
ya'll are grouseing about following the builders instructions, had a few more people done the same, there would be. quite a few more peices of equipment to work with
How exciting, in Australia you can leave an engine for a month and it'll still be at operating temperature
how exciting, a kangaroo fornicator commenting a stupid brain fart
It's amazing that Class-1 railroads bought millions of dollars high tech locomotives in the 1990's only to retire them after 20-30 years. He is a basic mechanical machine over 70 years old and still working....what's wrong with this picture?
I wonder if the engineer who stated he NEVER needed to open the cylinder cocks knows what a hydraulic is. I am a retired master diesel mechanic with 50 years working on EMD, GE, and large caterpillar railroad, marine and genset engines. Being stored inside has nothing what-so-ever to do with water seeping into cylinder bores. Cylinder head/block water jacket O-rings are the main source of water finding it's way into cylinder bores, some early large displacement CAT engines were prone to this also notably the D 17000 V8's built during the late 30's into the early 1950's. Some Cooper Bessemer and Murphy engines are also examples. If the engineer means to say that water collects in the cylinders by rain or condensing while left out doors, that would also be true for all engines, farm tractors, construction equipment such as cranes, drag lines, bull dozers etc. As another posts states, and I am reading page 305 of the SD40 - SDP40 operators manual and it states that during the pre-start up inspection to open the cylinder cocks and crank the engine over to expel any water that may have collected in the cylinders. Further, all Fairbanks Morse and Superior diesel engines call for opening the cylinder drain cocks prior to starting and is stated in their operating manuals that water can collect in the cylinders through seepage, not from rain. Excellent video.
Thanks for the insight. I'm a Civil Engineering guy, but it is always interesting to hear the mechanical side, too. Who doesn't enjoy hanging out around gigantic engines?
This was never taught to me at engine school... I didn’t even know how this was done. Heard about it from the old heads.
could be they blew down the cylinders before the video started. You are right, water gets in the cylinders many ways. I doubt that this guy does not know about hydraulicing. And I am sure the he must of blown er down before he cranked her. Strange that all the car body doors were closed though.
What hasn't been stated, yet, would be WHY it's necessary to expell the water that has found it's way into the cylinder assembly. The drive crank is massive and has over a ten inch stroke. The juggs, or pistons, are as big around as paper plates, plus you'll have between 12 and 24 piston rods attached to the crank...all pulling in fuel, or compressing it or it exploding or pushing out exhaust. Even if just one cylinder has water in it...water can't be compressed! It will blow the smitherines out of an assembly...then its a trip to the shop to change out that piston assembly!...and trying to explain to the boss, why one of your units got damaged...which usually meant some time off without pay! Unless you just shut it down, the rule was to open the test-cocks and turn it over. Didnt make any different what craft you were...if you started a unit...you were charged with making sure the cylinders were bled. This "Butthead" (which is a slang name for switch engines), had handles welded on the testcocks. This was done so that the engineers in the yards didnt have to keep up with a "spanner socket". Most testcocks have a 1/4" hole at 12 and 6 positions on the face of the knob. They are also knurled around the outside of the knob to assist a gloved hand to grip them for turning. When in the shop areas, testcock spanner sockets stayed on 1/2" drive ratchets in the various places units would be started. Other than that, a pair of 440 channel-locks would facilitate the opening/closing work. I worked on railroad over 35 years...saw lots of crazy stuff and some unbelievable stuff, too. Y'all bleed your engines! It's well worth it!
Well you know there is always that one guy who spends more time looking to get out of work, than doing the work. I suspect that guy was one of them who made that comment. Though we had hostlers and mostly caught run-throughs, I can only remember starting maybe a dozen or so locomotives over my 47-year career with the Santa Fe. I also remember the general order plainly stated to open all engine cylinder blow-down cocks, rotate the engine for 30 seconds with the starter motor and inspect each blow-down cock for signs of water or oil. If water or oil is witnessed, crank the engine over for one minute and reinspect. If water or oil is still witnessed, set the locomotive to trail use only or dead in consist if in lash up and secure all electrical equipment by opening main bus bar and immediately report the engine number and defect found to roundhouse foreman and comply with the foreman's instructions.
I remember that because we had to remember stuff like that by the word and repeat it verbatim if asked by a supervisor.
I missed the steam era myself. I grew up watching and loving the diesels. When I was a kid we lived about a half a block from the Santa Fe tracks and I would run down and watch the trains go bye and imagined I was the engineer.
I remember these from the IHB years ago. We used them until the bitter end
The other reason to “blow down” before starting is because it’s not uncommon to have some coolant leaking into the cylinder after cool down. With the IR Turbo Twin air starters it’s actually possible to hydro lock the engine and damage a rod if excessive water is in a cylinder. Did you prelube? Is that using a Woodward PGM governor?
A young Robert DeNiro at the throttle. Circa Taxi Driver and Godfather episode one.
@@dale5898 ?
Makes me all warm and fuzzy! Ivdidnt work on too many of the older units...but SW1500 on up and GP18 and up, and SD24 and up on the EMD stuff and Dash 8 and 9 on the GE stuff...all of it was my life's work...keeping 'em pulling freight. Thanks for a good clear video...brought back some of the "warm & fuzzies".
I worked on these, back in 1975, for Southern Railway. RUclips brought this video around again, for a second look-see, after 5 years.
3:10 "Oops, that's way up there.
Don't hurt nothin'."
Gotta love operator-ese and gauge glass clairvoyance. Been there, done that. A bit too full is far better than a bit too empty. ;)
If the TRRS had train-themed educational programs and TV 📺 documentaries on National Geographic or the Discovery Channel, I will watch them with my very life.😊
If the TRRS shows had sponsors, I will buy from them, even if they sell liquor; so help me God!😇
I love those EMD’s. Many years as C/E on marine applications.
It’s not queer off the pier
How Great we can still run what our Grandfathers built !!! Great video thanks
Will our grand children be able to run what we built? Just a thought here.
@@curtbarile Sturdy rail technology yeah, but other stuff...doubt it, since evrything kinda goes into the direction of automated and lightweight.
@@curtbarile you mean chinese plastic? lol I doubt it
@@curtbarile Our grandies would run from what their 3d printers did, lol.
Loved the video, brought back memories from 40 yrs back of watching PC switchers doing their thing at the local hump yard. Hated to see that nasty "white stuff" on the ground tho at the end. Before we know it, winter will be in full swing again! Ugh!
Holy crap that's the best sounding train engine right there
I never get tired of watching this video and have watched it multiple times. Since the first time I have had a chance to operate a GE 80 ton switcher for a few minutes. It also had the old style air throttle. And thanks to this video I knew what it was all about. I still say this engineer reminds me of Nathan Fillion.
This video was alot faster than that other guy who took a full hour to cold start/fire up his steam locomotive 😎🤘
This is the video that made me subscribe. Attention to detail,interesting dialog,you answer questions before one ask them,well thought out vantage points of interest .
Well done Lad,well done indeed.
On the D&RG we called these yard switchers "goats".
Fun video...thanx!
Danger 600 volts....
🤔 let me stick my hands in there
Funny, the electrician foreman did exactly that with a screwdriver and burnt it all the way off to the handle...🤪
Make sure that you use both hands.
Yep, water doesn't compress that well. Always good to check, good way to crack the cylinder if it accumulates in there.
Barring over.
Was always a thrill to see these come through my town as a kid (late 60s) on Chesapeake & Ohio as they always used GP9s.
The care and attention they give that old machine. And these are digital guys working in an analogue world. I now still have hope that the future won’t just be clueless people jabbing at flat cold glass screens 😁
Don't know where this is, but am surprised to see a 567 "A" block still on a rail car locomotive. I worked as captain (early on as engineer) on tugboats for 35 yrs starting in 1975 and some were WWII models with original "A" blocks and some 1800's steam tug conversions with "A" blocks but very few in latter years...mainly "E" blocks and newer. EMD's were and still are 2 stroke engines with the best engineered and mechanic friendly design of ANY engine I am familiar with and have run
and worked on a lot... even old early 1900's direct reversible engines like Fairbanks Morse (22" bore, 50 - 300 rpm max) , National Supply Superior), Enterprise, and Imperial Atlas. EMD ROCKS ... and are easy to start even cold. Of course, you can always torch the intake air. They have no glow plugs. I have even blown a hole in a piston while running ( you can not cut them with an acetylene torch...don't know if you add helium) , wedged a large screwdriver in the injector rocker, lashed it down to the blow down valve and run the boat at idle back to the dock. We used air starters (could use 2...one on either side), Yo Ingersoll Rand. And on early boats Allis-Chalmers DC electrical systems. AMAZING ENGINES.
Small correction is it a B block.
Love the throb of that big diesel . EMD ‘s are very prolific on the Indian Railways .
In the late 1970's and into the early 1980's the 7014 switched Kalamazoo ,MI on the GTW. I used to see it go by the tower on its way to Checker Motors on week days!
Checker, Schucks, Kragen.
been around emd locomotives a good part of my life ny father was a a machinist for electro motive
32 yrs
I was in EMD once about 14-15 years ago to repair a cnc milling machine used to machine their piston pin carriers. Seeing the size of some of those engine components was fascinating.
Since crapapillar took over theyre starting to tank the company. Have they gotten over the tier 4 emmisions yet?
It always amazes me no matter how good the video, I mean it could be about saving puppies from a fire and certain death and people will click on the thumbs down, 335 on this one! Must be Democrat's!
All the dislikes are from all the pesky Karens, who think they just killed 2 turtles by starting that diesel engine.
yes the 16 vee was so easy to fire, because you have a firing stroke every 22.5 degrees, fuel consumption saw end the two stroke now ships run the 2 cycle crosshead and they are the worlds most efficient engine
My father and uncle worked for SCL then CSX when it changed over. My uncle also left Amtrak in the 80's to start his own locomotive repair business in Lakeland FL. He had many, many repair manuals for the various models. If I remember right without looking in my storage box with the books they are from the 40's, 50's 60's etc...GE, EMD not sure exactly...books on Pullman AC units, Pullman braking systems all kinds of manuals for them...Great to see an old engine being ran. I remember seeing my father do all that starting procedure as a kid...
I witnessed engine seizure on the job before because my new fellow employees deferred the maintenance off on a contractor that they said would visit on a bi-weekly contract basis. The employer had dropped the contractor but maintenance forgot to inform them or check themselves. They all laughed at me doing my own checks but the peer pressure did not curtail my checks. They all stopped laughing when the company showed them the $4,800.00 repair bill on the lift. After that they were all checking the fluids.
+Joseph Woehler II Good story but not really !!! This happens in all industries across the world, here in my part of the world (Aus) I have witnessed the downfall of publicworks, heavy machinery, where operators tickets are handed out now where no experience is required, the young fellows don't want to do the dirty work, only want to sit their backsides in seats, and management are still trying to work out why their maintenance bills are super excessive ???!!!! This cost falls on the hands of the ratepayers/City tax payers ......
As a marine engineer, you went through these checks at every start. Get careless with your checks, and one day. you'd forget and do the abbreviated version in front of the port engineer, and he'd (rightfully so) hand you your ass...
So let's gas ourselves with diesel exhaust fumes instead of starting-up with the shed doors open.
"I like the smell of diesel smoke, I like my eyes to burn!" - thankfully the oversight was quickly corrected!
It was like 0 degrees trust me I'm the HiVis fuckstick who opened the door in the video
Wow, My best friend, It's so beautiful video !!! enjoyed watching your video
One owner, garage kept, only drove to church on Sunday’s. No lowball offers, price is firm.
Cool! I never knew what was in those doors and what you needed to do to start it!
Blow down valves, should be opened anytime the engine shut itself down, saw a guy that worked for MKT, start one that had water on top of a piston, the engine started, bent the rod, and shot the rod through the crankcase man hole cover and shot it about 30 feet away from the engine, he had no idea what he was doing
When he said "Cold Start", he meant COLD start.
I was surprised it started so easily after seeing the snow. Normally big diesel engines like to give you a fuss in the cold.
1.1M views of starting a locomotive? Well, I added one view. Ha.
Watching this engineer and team start up get this beautiful machine is about as satisfying as it gets! I don't know why, it just is.
I was wondering why it was started in such a confined space, until I saw the snow.. I guess they keep them warm and toasty in their sheds when it's cold outside.
Hard to believe this was pulling freight before the 1955 Chevy was even made! That old workhorse has seen a lot of changes.
it seems absolutely ridiculous to me that train engines don't drive the wheels directly, but instead are essentially giant electric generators for electric motors. why?!? the efficiency loss probably ends up with a huge amount of extra fuel burned every year.
The electric traction simplifies what would otherwise be a super-complicated drivetrain. Electric motors also have extremely high torque and with today's computer controls can be carefully tuned for maximum tractive effort with the lowest power use. They can then also be turned into dynamic braking mode, allowing the train to be slowed without using any brake shoes.
So the benefits of the diesel-electric hybrid model are numerous, and are the same principles of all gas-electric hybrids on the roads today!
Neat! Thanks for taking the time to record and post this. awesome.
When I had an HO gage train set, that was my favorite engine. Just looks cool
Simply incredible that this engine starts so well after... what is it, 60 years at the time of this recording? I'm not sure a diesel built in the 21st century would do so well.
A lot of it has to do with taking care of things. These EMDs are tanks and can take a lot of abuse, which means by the time they hit retirement from their original owners they still have life left in them. Doubt we'll say that about GEVOs.
@@ThornappleRiverRailSeries this engine looks like it's well cared-for, so I can't see why it couldn't last another 50 or more years
Dealt with air throttle on Baldwin Hamilton Lima locos from 1940s
I hope you left at least one step out so no one can watch this and steal your train.
It Sounds Soothing In A Locomotive Cab. Just Me?
More than one Trainman has found the locomotive cab to be heaven on earth for a cubicle.
An older one like this can get quite loud. The new wide body locomotives can be very easy to fall asleep in. The engines are massive but they operate at a relatively low RPM so when you're sitting in a running locomotive that's not moving there's a gentle rock back and forth. Couple that with the newer quieter cabs and all you hear is a soft whirring sound. Good luck staying awake.
Not just you, I love that sound.
YaMon...Jamaica Railroading 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
My great grandfather John F Kelly (1866-1955) was an award winning engineer on the Long Island RR when they had steam engines- 1898 and then changed to diesel, never could find anything about the awards or anything about him in the limited searching I could do for train related publications, I figured there has to be some RR magazine that did a piece on him back then but it seems there were a LOT of engineers with the same first and last name.
By now you may have heard that the state of Connecticut will be discontinuing the use of automobiles being replaced by trains. The additional "Track" you'll need will also be at your expense. Each home must have "Track" to its front door. Please watch this important "Training ;) Film" so you don't damage your motor. -Bill Howes, making ~America~ better by having everyone in CT. drive trains from now on. Sure, it costs more. But, it's a "Status Symbol" kinda thing. -Donald Trump, The Person Assistant for The ~GREAT~ Bill Howes.
Why are trains 600 volt system? What makes it the magic number
I didn't see him pull out the choke must not be too terribly cold LOL
This brought back many years of memories for me and I loved my job. I had to this every day I was the Engineer. Excellent video. Thank you. Thank the guys that showed you this also.
I wonder how that kid would have reacted if that engine ran away on startup. Moreover, I wonder what the procedure for killing it would be.
That’s why you leave the handbrake applied until you’ve built up air and are ready to move
Good afternoon to all from SE Louisiana 17 Jun 22..
I used to operate and maintain testing/records of three GM EMD V-20 units, 2.5 MW per at an old coal fired power plant. Loved those diesel suckers.
You think it would have an aux pump to add oil pressure
Built and designed decades ago with simplicity in mind. No real need for it ever to fire up and run right NOW. A moment or two lag is just fine 99.99% of the time.
I used to sail on Jupiter an old tug on the Delaware it too ran a 567 had to learn to start her mariner style including knife switch city !! Very classic
There appears to be severely restricted forward visibility with that loco so that the driver can't see immediately in front of it, something which must be essential for safety surely. But then it is an old model.
Why would you have water in the cylinders of an internal combustion engine to begin with ????
Condensation. The air in the cylinders (from outside) always has *some* water in it. Usually it stays as vapor due to the heat of the engine. But once it cools off, the water can condense on the walls of the cylinders, and thus you end up with water in the engine. Since liquid water is not compressible, bad things can happen if there is enough of it. So a quick cycle with the cocks open allows any built up water to be evacuated before turning it over for real.
The torque spec for the crab bolts on the cylinder heads says 1600-1900 ft-lb! I'd like to see the size of the torque wrench. I wonder if this still has the original cylinder heads or if they have been swapped for 645 ones.
1/2" drive, 250 ft lb torque wrench and a 1" drive torque multiplier. This engine still has the "B" heads in it.