@Dexirt ..no they didn't have a warrant or a court order for the "safe"..only for the home at the time when they contacted Liberty asking for the code. According to a report last week from the New York Times, Liberty Safe acknowledged that it voluntarily gave the FBI an access code to a safe “in response to a search warrant for a property.”Sep 12, 2023 the FBI "did not have a court order ordering Liberty Safe to provide the safe's combination."
I started with a decent small safe in 2004 but after my collection grew, I did a lot of research on multiple brands of gun safes and finally settled on an American Security BF 6636 due in fact to the thick half inch plate steel door and dual steel walls on the body and lastly the superior poured fire cladding instead of sheetrock. My criteria were for burglary protection first and foremost. One thing that I caught on to early in the search was the fact that most gun safes that used composite doors would never really let you know just how much steel was in the door. That's a nonstarter Browning and Liberty.
No sir. Not me. What Liberty did with the FBI was WRONG. Other companies would most probably deny and sue as it violates 4th amendment rights. We, Parker's Safes and Vaults, don't keep a database of combos and codes and even if we did, "they" wouldn't get them without a bitter fight. In my opinion, this will all work out in our favor and these other safe companies will learn a valuable lesson about how to handle a request to violate a customers' right to be secure in their persons, papers, houses and effects as outlined in the 4th Amendment. I'll be posting a video soon to show some ways to counter this type of assault on our 4th Amendment Rights.
Look they would have opened it one way or another..any decent Locksmith can open these types of safe's quite easily with time. And even an idiot Government agent with a cutting wheel can through these thin gauge bodies nowadays. But what Liberty did without even asking for a warrant first before giving up the master code was absolutely ridiculous and shameful on them.
That' may be true but it's not the point. The point is that Liberty voluntarily gave out the customer's combo. One could easily argue that the customer had a reasonable expectation of privacy and security when purchasing something like a safe. The fact that they'd gain access one way or another is irrelevant. I get the idea behind your comment, and I appreciate it, but behavior like this is exactly why we have the 4th amendment. If there was no warrant, there was no reason to submit to their request.@@aldo-228
American Security. They make great safes. I have one of their home safes. Solid! Well worth the bucks. That ESL 10 lock is a good one too. 3-4 years battery life.
I have noticed that the door will be a solud steel and glass relock but the body will be 14 gauge and drywall single layer. Just the door is heavy duty.
The BFX has 2 layers of steel encompassing 2" of a poured in concrete type fire insulation. The outer steel is 11 ga. and the inner steel is 12 ga. The BFII has the same but with the inner layer of steel being 5/16" No 14 ga. and no drywall
My question to you is how do you feel about the liberty fatboy safe regardless of the fact that liberty safe company just gave access to the fbi without a search warrant is my question because I am interested in buying one and changing out the the piece that is where the access is stored man? Yes I am talking about a electronic lock safe as well what is your opinion on the Vaultek safes? I know they are not fire rated well but that’s not why I want them. I want them for the quick access to be able to keep in the hallway and by both the front and back doors is why I am asking so please answer my questions. Thank you
If the warranty is important to you then people need to evaluate the long term existence of the safe company the best they can. A lifetime warranty might mean the company not the safe.
Thank you for the awesome video... I hear alot about the safe door, but alot of safes are attacked from the side with a circle grinder. Is there any home gun safe that is relatively impervious to a circle grinder attack? I'm seeing these things cutting through .25" steel with relative ease.
@@ValkerieSilk thank you. It’s pretty hard to stop a right angle grinder with a cut off wheel. Cutting through steel are what those things are made for. I think American Security does a better job than most companies given that they have two layers of steel with their concrete/plaster type material in between. It would certainly be harder to grind through those than it is to grind through the standard sidewall of our more common brands. The Amsec BFII has an even thicker inner plate so once you’re through all the fire cladding and the first layer of steel, you still have 5/16” to deal with. All we can really do is slow the bad guys down. Now, if your budget is not a concern, then we can look at other safe brands like ISM.
It's hard to dispel a fact that's not true. Are you saying that external hinges are a weak point? If so, you are mistaken. With bolts on the door, even if you cut the hinges off, the door stays on the safe. External hinges do allow the door to swing past 180 degrees so you have easier access to the hinge side shelving.
@ Thanks for your reply. I could have said it better but what I was trying to say is having external hinges do not present a problem if they’re cut off, I know others who think the opposite, and was just asking for you to clarify in a future video for the benefits of others.
I should probably write a script instead of trying to remember everything and talking off the cuff. You’re right though, their door gaps are really good especially for a production safe.,
I'm having a problem finding a safe that holds 35 long rifles only. I don't need any shelves or any pistol pockets on the door. Just a long gun safe. Any thing out there like that?
@@peteburns6208 Graffunder and all of the U.S. built American Security gun safes do. There are other manufacturers that have models with plate steel doors, but you have to do your homework to make sure you’re getting one. Most safes nowadays have what we call a composite door which is made to look thick, but there’s really not much steel in it at all. It’s usually hollow with their fire lining inside which is usually sheetrock.
You can get rid of the factory user code, which is generally 123456 and put in your own but most locks feature a code that’s called a manager reset code and is extremely helpful when there’s a death in the family or something like that. Generally, there’s a serial number on the lock itself and with the proper paperwork and proof of ownership, the company will release that manager reset code. There’s a lot of controversy out there right now around that because Liberty safe voluntarily gave that manager reset code to the FBI during a raid. That was a huge mistake for them which most manufactures would not have made and certainly wouldn’t now!
@@jimmymac4559mechanical locks have that same expiration date. I have a 35 year old ProSteel safe with a mechanical lock that won't open because the tumblers are sticking. My electronic lock safe works and when the lock failed I was able to replace it myself without a locksmith and the $500.00 price tag to just get it open.
We're a dealer for a number of safe companies but not a Liberty dealer. I believe that their best play would have been to refuse and sue based on the apparent 4th Amendment violation. There are steps to take as safe owners to prevent this and we have a video addressing such here on RUclips. We don't keep a database of combos or codes.
Lights? That’s what’s important to you? It has lights but they don’t make it more secure or add to the fire rating. There, now big chief say, “Has lights I buy.”
Do you keep the codes to all the safes you sell to customers, so if the law enforcement pulls a warrant will you bend over or will you protect the customers privacy rights....liberty safe dose not care about customers rights, liberty parent company also donated over 1/2 million to the democrat party shows me they don`t care about the US constitution
As a supporter of the 4th amendment, I would only bend over, as you say. if a warrant has been issued particularly describing the place to be searched and the person or thing to be seized. But no, we don't keep the codes as I mentioned in the vid.
All safes sold in retail chain stores are “JUNK”! Best I’ve seen are Magnum Safe Co. Constructed of the same armor plate steel that is used on U.S.Army tanks. The Best ! ⚔️🇺🇸⚔️
If the door doesn't have at least 1/4 inch of steel plate, WALK AWAY FROM IT. Steel is CHEAP, no reason to go so cheap on the door.. Fire ratings are over rated. How many safes are compromised by fire? Put some small fire safes inside to protect you cash or other small valuables.
I will now buy a safe from you. Thanks for being honest. Honesty is very rare these days.
Every couple of months i get on youtube just to watch you talk about safes 😂
Stay with your values. Very impressed by your honesty. God bless you and your family 🙏
Still happy with my custom Sturdy safe. Upgraded with stainless steel, handle and plaque. Keep up the good work.
Yup fuxxers tried my sturdy few years ago barely scratched paint. Customer service was fantastic its a beast!
The best safes are ones with no back doors for the convenience of warrantless searches.
Right
Concur
Concur, but they had a warrant, but not a supponea for the access code.
@@Dexirt double concur
@Dexirt ..no they didn't have a warrant or a court order for the "safe"..only for the home at the time when they contacted Liberty asking for the code. According to a report last week from the New York Times, Liberty Safe acknowledged that it voluntarily gave the FBI an access code to a safe “in response to a search warrant for a property.”Sep 12, 2023 the FBI "did not have a court order ordering Liberty Safe to provide the safe's combination."
I started with a decent small safe in 2004 but after my collection grew, I did a lot of research on multiple brands of gun safes and finally settled on an American Security BF 6636 due in fact to the thick half inch plate steel door and dual steel walls on the body and lastly the superior poured fire cladding instead of sheetrock.
My criteria were for burglary protection first and foremost.
One thing that I caught on to early in the search was the fact that most gun safes that used composite doors would never really let you know just how much steel was in the door.
That's a nonstarter Browning and Liberty.
Great video. Very helpful information.
I like how you know the details and appreciate that you share your knowledge. I would definitely buy a safe from you. Thanks for sharing!
Now if I’m raided by the Feds for having the wrong political beliefs, will you be giving them a back door combination to access my safe?
No sir. Not me. What Liberty did with the FBI was WRONG. Other companies would most probably deny and sue as it violates 4th amendment rights. We, Parker's Safes and Vaults, don't keep a database of combos and codes and even if we did, "they" wouldn't get them without a bitter fight.
In my opinion, this will all work out in our favor and these other safe companies will learn a valuable lesson about how to handle a request to violate a customers' right to be secure in their persons, papers, houses and effects as outlined in the 4th Amendment.
I'll be posting a video soon to show some ways to counter this type of assault on our 4th Amendment Rights.
@@parkerssafes Awesome reply! Thank you.
Look they would have opened it one way or another..any decent Locksmith can open these types of safe's quite easily with time. And even an idiot Government agent with a cutting wheel can through these thin gauge bodies nowadays. But what Liberty did without even asking for a warrant first before giving up the master code was absolutely ridiculous and shameful on them.
That' may be true but it's not the point. The point is that Liberty voluntarily gave out the customer's combo. One could easily argue that the customer had a reasonable expectation of privacy and security when purchasing something like a safe. The fact that they'd gain access one way or another is irrelevant. I get the idea behind your comment, and I appreciate it, but behavior like this is exactly why we have the 4th amendment. If there was no warrant, there was no reason to submit to their request.@@aldo-228
Good information, thanks
American Security. They make great safes. I have one of their home safes. Solid! Well worth the bucks. That ESL 10 lock is a good one too. 3-4 years battery life.
It's great to have a strong door as long as the rest of the safe is as strong especially the bottom
I was going to purchase a liberty safe. Not anymore.
F Liberty safe. I hope those Commies go bankrupt.
glenn beck, hurt feelings
Thoughts on the AMSEC SF7240? Thanks!
I have noticed that the door will be a solud steel and glass relock but the body will be 14 gauge and drywall single layer. Just the door is heavy duty.
The BFX has 2 layers of steel encompassing 2" of a poured in concrete type fire insulation. The outer steel is 11 ga. and the inner steel is 12 ga. The BFII has the same but with the inner layer of steel being 5/16"
No 14 ga. and no drywall
Very insightful!! Thank you!
How do you plan to compete with the cheap or free-to-remove "used one owner" liberty safes coming up on the market in the next few weeks?😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
My question to you is how do you feel about the liberty fatboy safe regardless of the fact that liberty safe company just gave access to the fbi without a search warrant is my question because I am interested in buying one and changing out the the piece that is where the access is stored man? Yes I am talking about a electronic lock safe as well what is your opinion on the Vaultek safes? I know they are not fire rated well but that’s not why I want them. I want them for the quick access to be able to keep in the hallway and by both the front and back doors is why I am asking so please answer my questions. Thank you
If the warranty is important to you then people need to evaluate the long term existence of the safe company the best they can. A lifetime warranty might mean the company not the safe.
Can you review a Vault Pro American Eagle series safe? I would love to see a review...Thank you
Sure. just send me one.
My advice on what safe you should buy? You need the one you cannot afford.
Really helpful video, thanks!
Thank you for the awesome video... I hear alot about the safe door, but alot of safes are attacked from the side with a circle grinder. Is there any home gun safe that is relatively impervious to a circle grinder attack? I'm seeing these things cutting through .25" steel with relative ease.
@@ValkerieSilk thank you. It’s pretty hard to stop a right angle grinder with a cut off wheel. Cutting through steel are
what those things are made for.
I think American Security does a better job than most companies given that they have two layers of steel with their concrete/plaster type material in between. It would certainly be harder to grind through those than it is to grind through the standard sidewall of our more common brands. The Amsec BFII has an even thicker inner plate so once you’re through all the fire cladding and the first layer of steel, you still have 5/16” to deal with. All we can really do is slow the bad guys down. Now, if your budget is not a concern, then we can look at other safe brands like ISM.
Thank you for the information, much appreciated.
What is the safe features in this video and do you deliver and install in NC?
It’s an American Security BFX6030
Give me a buzz to discuss delivery and or shipping. Thanks
What is your opinion on the Secureit brand safes? I'm looking at purchasing the Agile 52.
I'd say it's more of a cabinet.
Excellent, thanks
Can you show more ISM safes?
Yes sir. The next time we get a few in, I'll try to get some vids out. Thanks
If a TL-30 Safe is just rated on the door then whats are the walls rated to vs a TL-30X6 that has actual ratings on all the sides?
Who knows? You’d have to check with the manufacturer.
What brand and model is this safe? Good middle ground size.
Look to the right in his video. It looks like the American Security AmSec safe
So what’s a safe with out the back door combinations for u know who
Your knowledge & information is very useful sir, however your audio in the video is is pretty crappy.
@@jimbograves1576 I know. I have a better microphone now. Cheers
I'm glad I watched this "after" I bought my safe... It would have cost me a lot more money.
You didn’t mention anything about the sides, back, top & bottom construction.
Well shoot. Maybe next time. Thanks.
Great person to deal with!
@@BB-ss3mw thank you
Great info!
I'm a safe novice... who makes the safe you were showing us?
American Security
@@parkerssafes thanks
@parkerssafes
what other gun safe do you recommend?
@@parkerssafes
I think you should dispel the fact external hinges are a weak point.
It's hard to dispel a fact that's not true. Are you saying that external hinges are a weak point? If so, you are mistaken. With bolts on the door, even if you cut the hinges off, the door stays on the safe. External hinges do allow the door to swing past 180 degrees so you have easier access to the hinge side shelving.
@ Thanks for your reply. I could have said it better but what I was trying to say is having external hinges do not present a problem if they’re cut off, I know others who think the opposite, and was just asking for you to clarify in a future video for the benefits of others.
So how much should a good safe cost? & any recommends companies?
Well, it depends on the size, of course, but I would look at the American Security US built line
After what happened at Liberty, I wouldn't consider any of them safe !!
Liberty messed up. I don't think you'll see any companies following their lead. Especially after seeing how it impacted Liberty's bottom line.
Don't forget to mention minimum door gap.
I should probably write a script instead of trying to remember everything and talking off the cuff. You’re right though, their door gaps are really good especially for a production safe.,
The safe that you were describing in your comments, how much is that safe?
That one’s a little little over 5K
I’m looking for a relatively narrow gun safe. But I noticed all safes are hinged on the right. Do you have a narrow one with the hinges on the left?
The Amsec BF Models can be hinged on the left. they make two 24" wide models.
@@parkerssafesthank you!
I'm having a problem finding a safe that holds 35 long rifles only. I don't need any shelves or any pistol pockets on the door. Just a long gun safe. Any thing out there like that?
We have some plain Pella's for sale.
AMSEC BFX and BFII series safes are pretty good. So are Fort Knox safes.
Which safe manufacturers have solid plate steel doors?
@@peteburns6208
Graffunder and all of the U.S. built American Security gun safes do. There are other manufacturers that have models with plate steel doors, but you have to do your homework to make sure you’re getting one. Most safes nowadays have what we call a composite door which is made to look thick, but there’s really not much steel in it at all. It’s usually hollow with their fire lining inside which is usually sheetrock.
Thank you for the advice. Appreciate that.
Would lining the outside of gun safe with insulation keep the contents warmer ?
Warmer or cooler.
@@parkerssafes Warmer
How about old Glory safes, any good?
Not a bad safe just a bummer they’re made in China.
What do you think about old glory safe super duty
They're pretty good. I just wish they weren't built in China.
Thanks
What safe do you have or recommend
Fort Knox and American Security are my top 2 go to safes.
Thank
How are stealth Premier Safe?
Well, I don't know. I haven't seen one.
I really want an American Security safe .. so many to choose from and it's tough with increased prices on everything .
Im torn between bfx6030 , bfx6636 , bf(2)6030@@parkerssafes
What is the name of you were showing
American Security BFX6030
What is this safe and how can i buy one?
That's the American Security BFX 6030. Just give me call.
Agreed
Having a back door wasn't the problem with Liberty; the problem was giving the code to the FBI.
i agree.
Can't you change it to your own code? Get rid of factory code.
You can get rid of the factory user code, which is generally 123456 and put in your own but most locks feature a code that’s called a manager reset code and is extremely helpful when there’s a death in the family or something like that. Generally, there’s a serial number on the lock itself and with the proper paperwork and proof of ownership, the company will release that manager reset code. There’s a lot of controversy out there right now around that because Liberty safe voluntarily gave that manager reset code to the FBI during a raid. That was a huge mistake for them which most manufactures would not have made and certainly wouldn’t now!
Kind of like old lawnmowers. 1342 would be a 13 hp 42 inch cut
So what brand do you recommend?
I think the Amsec BFX is the best for the money.
Steelwater safes. Excellent
If the safe has a digital lock, it is automatically the worst safe to buy.
Why?
The digital lock has an expiration date. You just don’t know when that is until you know when it was.
@@jimmymac4559mechanical locks have that same expiration date. I have a 35 year old ProSteel safe with a mechanical lock that won't open because the tumblers are sticking. My electronic lock safe works and when the lock failed I was able to replace it myself without a locksmith and the $500.00 price tag to just get it open.
Liberty Safes! If we forget the code, just call the FBI!
They want all your guns, ex wife’s wedding ring, your gold and silver and house title all together to pick up . Wafe up!
I'm wide awafe sir.
no safe at all is a better deal than a liberty safe
Do you have a back door code that gives you or the tyrannical government access to my safe?? I guess you have already answered this question.
We're a dealer for a number of safe companies but not a Liberty dealer. I believe that their best play would have been to refuse and sue based on the apparent 4th Amendment violation. There are steps to take as safe owners to prevent this and we have a video addressing such here on RUclips. We don't keep a database of combos or codes.
Sorry but guarantee I can get into any gun safe in 15 mins. Built my own safe and no one is getting into it for hours myself included
No lights not buying .
Lights? That’s what’s important to you?
It has lights but they don’t make it more secure or add to the fire rating. There, now big chief say, “Has lights I buy.”
Do you keep the codes to all the safes you sell to customers, so if the law enforcement pulls a warrant will you bend over or will you protect the customers privacy rights....liberty safe dose not care about customers rights, liberty parent company also donated over 1/2 million to the democrat party shows me they don`t care about the US constitution
As a supporter of the 4th amendment, I would only bend over, as you say. if a warrant has been issued particularly describing the place to be searched and the person or thing to be seized. But no, we don't keep the codes as I mentioned in the vid.
All safes sold in retail chain stores are “JUNK”!
Best I’ve seen are Magnum Safe Co.
Constructed of the same armor plate steel that is used on U.S.Army tanks.
The Best ! ⚔️🇺🇸⚔️
liberty safe toss that crap in a landfill.
Promo`SM
If the door doesn't have at least 1/4 inch of steel plate, WALK AWAY FROM IT.
Steel is CHEAP, no reason to go so cheap on the door.. Fire ratings are over rated.
How many safes are compromised by fire? Put some small fire safes inside
to protect you cash or other small valuables.