You didn’t mention that the Celtics tried to trade Ray Allen numerous times. Albeit that the trades fell through, I understand why Allen wanted to leave Boston.
plus Ray was always in the middle of trade rumors, i agree with you understanding why Ray wanted to leave Boston, they traded for him to get them a championship, which they did, but they never treated him like a core of the team
@@123FUG33 No that’s the norm in the NBA that was his last big payday for a player of his caliber. If the clippers didn’t give em the max another team would’ve but the way they went about it was foul.
@@123FUG33 I guess you’re just caught up in the money aspect of it and not the backstabbing nature of the situation. This is an example of why there’s no player loyalty anymore.
Derek Fisher also used his family to weasel out of his contract with the Dallas Mavericks, just so he could re-sign with a better OKC team. Mark Cuban said he should have known better than to trust Fisher.
yea both times he asked to be let go to be in a city where she could get the best treatment. I remember that an article said her treatments were actually being done in New York or some east coast city yet both times left to teams no where near the east coast.
I’m a be honest. Raptors fan here. The city didn’t treat Vince well. You’d of thought he killed 16 they way they wrote about him before he even requested a trade. Man was ripped to shreds for keeping a promise to his mother, finishing school and going to his graduation. He didn’t even miss the game.
He did admit in an interview, after being traded, that he purposely wasn't giving it his all. Raptors tolerated Kawhi with his load management since he has a higher ceiling than Vince Carter and was already a proven winner. Toronto is such a die hard sports city, if Vince gave it his all through the end, Toronto easily would've forgiven him and even make excuses to defend him. Toronto native here.
@@manuelsoares9698 The Raptors mostly weren’t good and haven’t been good throughout their history, how is that a “diehard sports city”? Maybe Hockey and stuff
@@Jonathan-A.C. Toronto is a diehard sports city which even when teams aren't successful, they still sell out games. Toronto's attendance is better than most American teams. 2024 Attendance Raps are #7 out of 30 teams (Better than Boston and the Lakers). Leafs are #8 out of 32. Blue Jays are #10 out of 30 teams. Want me to continue?
@@manuelsoares9698 Fair point, although I’d say it’s also important to recognize how much of Canada is represented by Toronto, whereas you have 29 teams for the US. But I still have to question just how much is “diehard” when the franchise does not have consistent winning or a notable “winning culture”? And I say this in respect to the NBA
@@Jonathan-A.C. I appreciate your understanding. Valid point on country support since only 1 team representing Canada. Another example, Tampa Bay Lightning has won more Stanley Cups since 2000 (3x) than the Leafs have in 60 years. Is the Tampa Bay Lightning a die hard Hockey city, no but they are more successful than the Leafs. To me, Die hard means how supportive is the city, win or lose. Toronto financially supports all its teams, win or lose.
The commentator said he was a snake because he didn’t tell Garnet and Pierce. Not saying I agree or disagree with it. But that was his reason for saying it.
The Linsanity thing you could've gone more in depth on. The reason the deal was so crazy was because they purposely structured the contract to fuck over the knicks, so that they wouldnt match. Believe it was something like a few mil the first two years and then the third year it went up by like 3x. That was the main reason they didnt resign him.
I guarantee if they re-sign him, by the 2 year of the contract, Knicks fans would start bellyaching about Dolan and how they overpaid a one year (more like 1 month) wonder
That’s not exactly the case.Lins third year was about 15 mil but the Knicks would be over the luxury tax because of it and have to pay around a 30 million dollar penalty.
Correct me if I'm wrong but when a team has the chance to match a deal it's about matching the total dollar amount and not the actual structure of the deal, no?
That IT situation in Boston was one of the coldest things i ever seen bro. He was injured and his sister died. I really just stopped blaming players for leaving teams after that.
I'm glad you mentioned Iguodala, as a lifelong Nuggets fan, I feel like nobody ever mentions that there were rumors of tampering and discussions during the playoffs that he would sign with Golden State. A snake in my books, not as bad as Melo because he was only there for a bit but he's still a snake.
Ah yes, when lebron had no supporting help in his first tenure with Cleveland even wanting to have Amare on the cavs, they still gave him poor help but he is a snake for leaving a franchise that doesnt even build around him
You're a snake for that move if you profess your love for the city and how much you care for them while not professing publicly why exactly he left and pissing off everyone in the way you want to be remembered by acting like a 5 year old when he lost in 2011
He was also too good and therefore his team couldn’t get high draft picks. Jordan’s teams in the 80’s all sucked until they finally sucked enough to get good draft picks.
i'm tired of the lin slander. lin was always a solid player who unfortunately for the majority of his career got stuck on teams with coaches that didn't believe in him. nba players are always told "get your money". the knicks claimed that they would match but didn't. he didn't finish his contract with the rockets because he got benched in favor of ballhog harden. and when he got on the loser lakers byron scott of all people tried to throw him under the bus and tanked his value. y'all low IQ "analysts" are so quick to call lin a scrub but somehow give dudes like udonis haslem a pass. gimme a break.
Make a part two add WADE to the list. WADE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A HEAT LIFER. They did him dirty after he took hella paycuts. He didnt get the treatment Dirk and Kobe got. Fill me in if im wrong!
Ray Allen wasn’t a snake,he was supposed to get traded from Boston.there was rumors every year.he had a bad relationship with rondo,Boston was choosing rondo over him cause of age.i would leave too
I guess the Clippers doing a tribute video and faking a jersey retirement for him and telling him he was a "Clipper For Life" only for him to sign with them and 6 months later they trade him to the Pistons. Stop it.
Just like KD’s move, Iggy’s move ain’t no snake move 1) what rule says a player can’t sign with a team that beat them in the playoffs?? 2) how is a FREE AGENT a snake? You LITERALLY have the right to sign with ANY team you want 😂 You play TO WIN not be fair to the league lol players who resign or sign extensions then request a trade while still under contract are the real snakes
I don’t get how Derek fisher is a snake here. Says he wants to go to a bigger city with better doctors..joins the lakers. Unless I’m missing something this was on the up & up
His specialist doctor was in New York. That’s why the jazz were shocked when he signed with the Lakers, especially since Salt Lake and LA are very close already.
Also, the University of Utah and the Huntsman Cancer Institute are known worldwide for their Cancer treatment specialists. If he wanted help with his daughters condition (which if I remember correctly was some sort of eye cancer) Utah was his best fit.
The Celtics got hit with karma after trading IT when Kyrie left for the Nets. IT gave it his all for the Celtics. Playing through injury and at the same time dealing with the death of his sister. They fked him over badly.
Nah, LeBron is not a snake for leaving the Cavs. He gave the Cavs everything he had in his first stint. He even carried them to the Finals in 2007 when they had absolutely no business being there. And how did the Cavs repay him? The best players the Cavs signed during Bron’s first stint: Eric Snow, Old Ben Wallace, Old Shaq, Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, and Mo Williams.
@@jjj9861 Yall don't seem to understand the word snake. LBJ leaving cleveland wasn't a snake move, It was just embarrassing who he teamed up with and how they had "the decision" made it 10x worse. Thats just an embarrasing move, KD leaving the team that for the warriors for countless reasons was a snake move(too lazy to spell it out). Both moves are lame but LBJs wasnt a snake move at all
Please share...where did the K kicks say they would match whatever up to a billion???? If you show me that quote by a Knicks front office person...I'll gift u $25. The Rockets offered him a balloon payment on his 3rd year that they knew the Knicks wouldn't match. And then you say "it shows the Knicks didn't believe in his free agent value"...u forgot to mention THEY WERE RIGHT and he ended up doing absolutely nothing after that month with the Knicks. Do better research.
Why is lebron a snake? He had a shit team, KD had a contending team and left for the team that beat them when they were up 3:1. I dont like Lebron but he isnt a snake, they just didnt build a good team next to him. Srsly they were AWFUL without him during his first run
Because he left his home team that drafted him instead waiting for a potential star Kyrie look at the bull's they were pure garbage who snorting cocaine while Jordan dropping 30 a game and suddenly they drafted pippen got Phil Jackson and the rest is history while lebron couldn't wait 🤷🏾♂️
@@LarryDonnell-sd7rvif Lebron would’ve stated they wouldn’t have never got kyrie since he’s too good for them to be that bad your point made 0 since. The Cavs front office was very very incompetent why is that so hard for y’all to realize?
@@LarryDonnell-sd7rvI see your point if you want to compare Jordan and Bron, but it doesn't explain why he is a snake. Like waiting your entire career for something that may never happen = only then not a snake? I don't think so
Comparing iggy to Durant is apples and oranges. Iggy never had a player in Denver on the level of Russ they weren’t on top 3-1 and the warriors had very little success in the playoffs they were up and coming. The nuggets didn’t face a 73 win team. Also iggy was traded to Denver didn’t want to be there and was only there for one year, where as KD lied to okc and KD was in okc his whole career. Also Denver should be happy because it transitioned to the Jokic era.
This was what I was coming here to say. KD joined a team that had been to the Finals 2 straight years and won 73 games the year they came back from 3-1 against OKC. Iggy joined a team who hasn't won anything yet. It's a big difference.
You don’t join teams 2 months after they beat you in the playoffs. That’s just weird. Lamarcus Aldridge was a snake for going to the spurs after they swept him.
Mo Williams was an allstar that year. He shot 44% from 3 on 5 attempts a game in 2009. He had 18 points on 47/44/91 splits. Not standing for this Mo William hate. He was one of the best second options that year.
@@raelindsey8456 I hate when casuals don't know what they are talking about. Trying to put together a BS narrative. Both him and a 33 yr old Antawn Jamison were averaging 15 ppg as the 2nd and 3rd option on 44% and 48% FG. Keep making excuses. AI carried the Sixers to the Finals in '01 with way less against tougher competition.
Fisher rejoined the lakers before Gasol arrived. So he didn’t sign with a championship team at all. If anything he went to a worse team than Utah who had just made the WCF.
Celtics did everything tu push Allen out and then clutched their pearls when he went to Miami. Also, I think everyone in the basketball world feels bad for IT, except for maybe Danny Ainge.
He didn't. LA just had better facilities to take care of said daughter. Anyone salty about this (especially the Magic Fans) need to let it go, because the Jazz fans understood.
But L.A. didn't have better facilities. The University of Utah and the Huntsman Cancer Institute in Utah are recognized worldwide as some of the very best in treating cancer which if I remember Correctly, is the condition his daughter had. Some sort of eye cancer.
No i think from andy hoops or some other on Andre told Mark Jackson when he coach GSW they tried to hurt steph or something and did not like that playing style but like GSW and what they tried to become.
Y’all slander Melo cause he never won a ring and in the same breath discredit Kevin Durant for going to Golden State when Melo could’ve went to Miami with Bron and didn’t. Safe to say Melo made the right move cause y’all don’t know what y’all want from these players.
damn thats crazy u call out fisher like that, this is the guy who left his 10 month old daughter after cancer surgery to suit up for the jazz vs GS, how many people would do that. so fucked up
The franchises wheel and deal players without taking any considerations into account. The players don't owe them any loyalties. You all gotta stop shilling for the rich. They don't need you.
Didn't Allen leave because he felt disrespected, and like he was getting pushed out in favor of Rondo? If so, I can see going to their rivals for less, to send a big FU to his old team.
Iggy never wanted to be a star or number 1 option on offense, he preferred being a role player. I wouldn't call his choice a snake move cause he was from a situation he wasn't comfortable with to one that was perfect for him.
Don’t know why people have such an issue with Lebron leaving Cleveland the first year and I’m even a Cavs fan. Sure I was pissed at first but the front office failed to surround him with legit role players for 7 years so I get it. I personally don’t care that it was televised. It had good intentions but we all know it shouldn’t have happened live. I remember deployed being like fuuuuuuuck, we lost him…
@@LarryDonnell-sd7rv a difference of the culture at the time, MJ's competition was homegrown, while lebron's was the big 3 Celtics and the Kobe-pau Lakers Also, say what you will about Jerry Krause, but that guy was competent, unlike the Cavs front office, look at what they got from 3 first picks and one second pick, kyrie, Dion waiters, Anthony Bennett and Wiggins (who didn't contribute to winning basketball until his 4th season, still a major letdown, considering the MJ comparisons when he entered the draft)
@@LarryDonnell-sd7rvRemind everyone WHEN the Cavs got Kyrie. After LeBron first left and they were garbage. They got great picks because they sucked without him. When he was there, the best he got was Mo Williams and Ilgauskas.
It's kind of weird that a grown adult (you) can't comprehend that these other grown adults are making big life decisions based on what they think is best for them. Grow up. Put yourself in other peoples shoes. None of these moves make any of them a snake.
I should point out that Vince Carter was drafted by the Warriors and traded on draft night. You can literally see him wearing a Warriors hat in this video. I know I am being nitpicky. (The Raptors picked Antawan Jamieson)
but got the nerve to ay kd when he was recruited as a free agent and wouldnt have if lebron never created super teams like lebron did joining a heat team that was beating him lol
Bron and KD made no promises. They were both free agents hearing offers from all sorts when they left Cleveland and OKC respectively. Nothing snakey there. Call them soft for the moves they made at the time but that's how it goes these days. Why was it okay for KG and Ray Allen to hook up with Pierce in Boston but not for Bron to join Wade and Bosh in Miami or for Ray Allen to join them later or for KD to join the Warriors?
You didn’t mention the Celtics and the lakers how they screwed the nba from the 60’s to the 80’s , you didn’t add how shitty the Cavs were w Lebrons first 9 years. You didn’t mention mj punching his teammate 😂😂😂
iguodala's legs werent gonna last him long enough to remain valuable. he wanted to be a key role player to a championship team instead of somebody that's nice enough to lose in the playoffs to the top team. boozer is just biz. as cool as 40 mill is he could get 80. A lot of those are either just biz or championship chasing.
I grew up a Jazz fan and when I heard that Derek Fischer wanted out of his contract after 1 years in Utah to be closer to his daughters care in New York. I felt he was using as his way to get out of Utah and get back to the Lakers. It was a straight up dirt bag move on his part.
Bron didn't join a 73 win team...it's not the same lol. People ironically seem to forget that the Celtics formed their big 3 first ..won a ring...which forced other teams to try and assemble their own big 3
I'll take that over these current "superstars" who sign max deals with their team & then demand a trade. At least Kawhi had an expiration date and Raptors knew exactly what they were getting from the beginning.
Knicks didn’t snake Lin. The Rockets signed Lin to a contract with provisions designed for teams not to match. And The Knicks signed Jason Kidd that summer so they didn’t need him
None of those moves were snake moves because these organizations have to loyalty to the players, so nowadays players have taken their destinies in their own hands and now they’re doing what’s best for them. The hell with these organizations
Those aren’t snake moves. That’s called doing what’s best for yourself and your life. We all have choices and they felt they made the best choice for their lives.
To be a weirdo and say what Lebron did to the Cavs after years of them being a bad franchise and getting no real prime level help for him means you have zero thought of your own
I DISAGREE ON IGGY I MEAN ALOT OF PLAYERS OPT OUT OF THEIR CONTRACT HE DIDNT DO IT JUST TO JOIN BUT NUGGETS FIRED COACH KARL AND DIDNT WISH TO OFFER IGGY BETTER CONTRACT THAT TIME AS FAR AS I RECALL IT CORRECTLY I MEAN LJ AND KD ACTED TO SPOILED TO TEAM JUMP IT IS DIFFERENT IF THERE IS NO REASON OR END OF CONTRACT.
Yeah boozer really snaked the cavs and lebron they could’ve kept u for another year for 700k and did u a favor to get u more money and u leave lol lebron could’ve had the help he needed early on
Kevin Durant and LeBron were both free agents when they choose the new teams they wanted play for. How is that if you’re a superstar, the media and fans get to tell you what organization you’re allowed to play for?
You didn’t mention that the Celtics tried to trade Ray Allen numerous times. Albeit that the trades fell through, I understand why Allen wanted to leave Boston.
plus Ray was always in the middle of trade rumors, i agree with you understanding why Ray wanted to leave Boston, they traded for him to get them a championship, which they did, but they never treated him like a core of the team
I'm pretty sure he was beefing with Rondo at that time as well, they still haven't talked with each other to this day.
Pretty hellish beef lol
@@kylenunez2820 I think it's easy to have beef with Rondo
@@PhoenixAscendingyou know Rondo?
yea this is a shit list lol
You forgot the time when Blake signed a max deal with the clippers only to be traded to pistons after he signed the contract 😂
Literally months later 😂
Sounds like more of a hook up as he got
A max from them and fell off couple years after lol
@@123FUG33 No that’s the norm in the NBA that was his last big payday for a player of his caliber. If the clippers didn’t give em the max another team would’ve but the way they went about it was foul.
@@KingLouOG clippers could give him more max money than other teams could.
@@123FUG33 I guess you’re just caught up in the money aspect of it and not the backstabbing nature of the situation. This is an example of why there’s no player loyalty anymore.
Derek Fisher also used his family to weasel out of his contract with the Dallas Mavericks, just so he could re-sign with a better OKC team. Mark Cuban said he should have known better than to trust Fisher.
yea both times he asked to be let go to be in a city where she could get the best treatment. I remember that an article said her treatments were actually being done in New York or some east coast city yet both times left to teams no where near the east coast.
@@epitome1986 the treatment was on the west coast... doctors were in CA... it was up front the team agreed to it.
Glad matt barnes whooped his snake ass
@@erikaw7767nope he said it was in NYC hes a snake
I’m a be honest. Raptors fan here. The city didn’t treat Vince well. You’d of thought he killed 16 they way they wrote about him before he even requested a trade. Man was ripped to shreds for keeping a promise to his mother, finishing school and going to his graduation. He didn’t even miss the game.
He did admit in an interview, after being traded, that he purposely wasn't giving it his all. Raptors tolerated Kawhi with his load management since he has a higher ceiling than Vince Carter and was already a proven winner. Toronto is such a die hard sports city, if Vince gave it his all through the end, Toronto easily would've forgiven him and even make excuses to defend him. Toronto native here.
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The Raptors mostly weren’t good and haven’t been good throughout their history, how is that a “diehard sports city”? Maybe Hockey and stuff
@@Jonathan-A.C. Toronto is a diehard sports city which even when teams aren't successful, they still sell out games. Toronto's attendance is better than most American teams. 2024 Attendance Raps are #7 out of 30 teams (Better than Boston and the Lakers). Leafs are #8 out of 32. Blue Jays are #10 out of 30 teams. Want me to continue?
@@manuelsoares9698
Fair point, although I’d say it’s also important to recognize how much of Canada is represented by Toronto, whereas you have 29 teams for the US. But I still have to question just how much is “diehard” when the franchise does not have consistent winning or a notable “winning culture”? And I say this in respect to the NBA
@@Jonathan-A.C. I appreciate your understanding. Valid point on country support since only 1 team representing Canada. Another example, Tampa Bay Lightning has won more Stanley Cups since 2000 (3x) than the Leafs have in 60 years. Is the Tampa Bay Lightning a die hard Hockey city, no but they are more successful than the Leafs. To me, Die hard means how supportive is the city, win or lose. Toronto financially supports all its teams, win or lose.
How ray Allen turn back on his team? He was in trade rumors every other month. I wouldn’t resign with a team that’s been trying to trade me.
The commentator said he was a snake because he didn’t tell Garnet and Pierce. Not saying I agree or disagree with it. But that was his reason for saying it.
That’s really a stretch calling him a snake for doing that. It’s a bad justification.
Nah snake. He knew he get cursed out for going with the opps
Celtics were opps as well just hiding it. Kg was cool with Ray being benched and in trade rumors but when it comes back to bite him he's a victim?
The Linsanity thing you could've gone more in depth on.
The reason the deal was so crazy was because they purposely structured the contract to fuck over the knicks, so that they wouldnt match. Believe it was something like a few mil the first two years and then the third year it went up by like 3x. That was the main reason they didnt resign him.
I guarantee if they re-sign him, by the 2 year of the contract, Knicks fans would start bellyaching about Dolan and how they overpaid a one year (more like 1 month) wonder
@@PuchuKt Yupp. LIn really only played up to his potential for a few months. He was alright hte first two years with the rockets but wasnt insane.
That’s not exactly the case.Lins third year was about 15 mil but the Knicks would be over the luxury tax because of it and have to pay around a 30 million dollar penalty.
Correct me if I'm wrong but when a team has the chance to match a deal it's about matching the total dollar amount and not the actual structure of the deal, no?
@@emanuelmartinez7267 They have to match the contracts exact terms.
That IT situation in Boston was one of the coldest things i ever seen bro. He was injured and his sister died. I really just stopped blaming players for leaving teams after that.
He was never getting that contract from Boston
Fisher is awful for that wow used his own faughter
Fisher was always a dirty player. Plus the post-career stuff he's been into. That dude's a 🐍 for sure.
They held Deandre hostage😂 4:11
I'm glad you mentioned Iguodala, as a lifelong Nuggets fan, I feel like nobody ever mentions that there were rumors of tampering and discussions during the playoffs that he would sign with Golden State. A snake in my books, not as bad as Melo because he was only there for a bit but he's still a snake.
Ah yes, when lebron had no supporting help in his first tenure with Cleveland even wanting to have Amare on the cavs, they still gave him poor help but he is a snake for leaving a franchise that doesnt even build around him
You're a snake for that move if you profess your love for the city and how much you care for them while not professing publicly why exactly he left and pissing off everyone in the way you want to be remembered by acting like a 5 year old when he lost in 2011
He was also too good and therefore his team couldn’t get high draft picks. Jordan’s teams in the 80’s all sucked until they finally sucked enough to get good draft picks.
The snake move was holding a goddamn ppv presscon. NOBODY is that special in the nba lol
He had help. He just failed to deliver when it mattered most.
Who was his help? JJ Hickson? Ilgauskus? Mo Williams? As soon as he got to a competent organization he started making finals runs. Crazy coincidence.
Lin had about 10 good games in NY and didn’t finish his contract with Hou as he was salary dumped to LAL. Don’t think it was a snake move
i'm tired of the lin slander. lin was always a solid player who unfortunately for the majority of his career got stuck on teams with coaches that didn't believe in him. nba players are always told "get your money". the knicks claimed that they would match but didn't. he didn't finish his contract with the rockets because he got benched in favor of ballhog harden. and when he got on the loser lakers byron scott of all people tried to throw him under the bus and tanked his value. y'all low IQ "analysts" are so quick to call lin a scrub but somehow give dudes like udonis haslem a pass. gimme a break.
Isaiah Thomas situation is one of the worst
the facthe didnt mention lebron creating superteams and destroying careers at all let alone number one is wild
Make a part two add WADE to the list. WADE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A HEAT LIFER.
They did him dirty after he took hella paycuts. He didnt get the treatment Dirk and Kobe got.
Fill me in if im wrong!
Ray Allen wasn’t a snake,he was supposed to get traded from Boston.there was rumors every year.he had a bad relationship with rondo,Boston was choosing rondo over him cause of age.i would leave too
I agree
Meanwhile Ray blossomed on championship Miami teams and Rondos career began a long dive
I guess the Clippers doing a tribute video and faking a jersey retirement for him and telling him he was a "Clipper For Life" only for him to sign with them and 6 months later they trade him to the Pistons. Stop it.
Just like KD’s move, Iggy’s move ain’t no snake move
1) what rule says a player can’t sign with a team that beat them in the playoffs??
2) how is a FREE AGENT a snake? You LITERALLY have the right to sign with ANY team you want 😂
You play TO WIN not be fair to the league lol
players who resign or sign extensions then request a trade while still under contract are the real snakes
Snake moves? Players don't do snake moves, they exercise options.
Lame
Danny Ainge straight up Snake for how he treated IT.
Just a business
You would do the same thing
@@ry_an. Doesn’t mean teams should get a pass if players don’t.
@@kohsmoger1567 no one gives teams a pass
But 11/10 as a GM you’d trade IT for Kyrie no questions asked
@@ry_an. And if your a player like KD you would leave the thunder to win a title with the warriors
@@ry_an. If it’s a business for teams it’s a business for players to
poor isaiah thomas even played with his sisters death in a playoff game celtics are green for a reason 🐍
I don’t get how Derek fisher is a snake here. Says he wants to go to a bigger city with better doctors..joins the lakers. Unless I’m missing something this was on the up & up
Yupp the Jazz were fine with it too.
I'm confused about that too,, & if I was fish, I'll go back to the lakers too at that time
His specialist doctor was in New York. That’s why the jazz were shocked when he signed with the Lakers, especially since Salt Lake and LA are very close already.
Also, the University of Utah and the Huntsman Cancer Institute are known worldwide for their Cancer treatment specialists. If he wanted help with his daughters condition (which if I remember correctly was some sort of eye cancer) Utah was his best fit.
Lebron trading his teammates after pretending to be their friend. 1-10
Yea pretty much
Bron hating
@Jonathan-A.C. lol these are true. You're the guy who gets shown prove their spouse is cheating and call the person who showed you a hater.
@@torhowell5202
How are they true?
@Jonathan-A.C. did he try to trade kyrie behind is back? Didn't he actually trade wade behind is back? Wasn't he trying to be their friend?
The Celtics got hit with karma after trading IT when Kyrie left for the Nets.
IT gave it his all for the Celtics. Playing through injury and at the same time dealing with the death of his sister. They fked him over badly.
Why did they push IT so hard? Were they trying to win a ring? But they had no veterans desperate for a ring
Nah, LeBron is not a snake for leaving the Cavs. He gave the Cavs everything he had in his first stint. He even carried them to the Finals in 2007 when they had absolutely no business being there. And how did the Cavs repay him? The best players the Cavs signed during Bron’s first stint: Eric Snow, Old Ben Wallace, Old Shaq, Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, and Mo Williams.
foreal gilbert was a b and danny ferry sucked ass
They had ilgauskas and varejao also
@@randomcommenter395exactly the point he's playing with average players
He is the greatest snake of all.
@@jjj9861 Yall don't seem to understand the word snake. LBJ leaving cleveland wasn't a snake move, It was just embarrassing who he teamed up with and how they had "the decision" made it 10x worse. Thats just an embarrasing move, KD leaving the team that for the warriors for countless reasons was a snake move(too lazy to spell it out). Both moves are lame but LBJs wasnt a snake move at all
The Linsanity situation is about Morey and the poison pill contract, so I don't really think the Knicks (for once) are too much at fault.
Please share...where did the K kicks say they would match whatever up to a billion???? If you show me that quote by a Knicks front office person...I'll gift u $25.
The Rockets offered him a balloon payment on his 3rd year that they knew the Knicks wouldn't match. And then you say "it shows the Knicks didn't believe in his free agent value"...u forgot to mention THEY WERE RIGHT and he ended up doing absolutely nothing after that month with the Knicks. Do better research.
Why is lebron a snake? He had a shit team, KD had a contending team and left for the team that beat them when they were up 3:1. I dont like Lebron but he isnt a snake, they just didnt build a good team next to him. Srsly they were AWFUL without him during his first run
KD had a team that would have never won a title. Russ hasn’t been anywhere close to the finals since KD left
Because he left his home team that drafted him instead waiting for a potential star Kyrie look at the bull's they were pure garbage who snorting cocaine while Jordan dropping 30 a game and suddenly they drafted pippen got Phil Jackson and the rest is history while lebron couldn't wait 🤷🏾♂️
@@LarryDonnell-sd7rvif Lebron would’ve stated they wouldn’t have never got kyrie since he’s too good for them to be that bad your point made 0 since. The Cavs front office was very very incompetent why is that so hard for y’all to realize?
@@Rieky22 thing called tank and even if they don't they could've got someone but no lebron left.
@@LarryDonnell-sd7rvI see your point if you want to compare Jordan and Bron, but it doesn't explain why he is a snake. Like waiting your entire career for something that may never happen = only then not a snake? I don't think so
Comparing iggy to Durant is apples and oranges. Iggy never had a player in Denver on the level of Russ they weren’t on top 3-1 and the warriors had very little success in the playoffs they were up and coming. The nuggets didn’t face a 73 win team. Also iggy was traded to Denver didn’t want to be there and was only there for one year, where as KD lied to okc and KD was in okc his whole career. Also Denver should be happy because it transitioned to the Jokic era.
This was what I was coming here to say. KD joined a team that had been to the Finals 2 straight years and won 73 games the year they came back from 3-1 against OKC.
Iggy joined a team who hasn't won anything yet. It's a big difference.
I think Iggy sitting in Memphis was worse than jumping ship to GSW earlier in his career.
You don’t join teams 2 months after they beat you in the playoffs. That’s just weird. Lamarcus Aldridge was a snake for going to the spurs after they swept him.
Can’t even watch this video. Born and raised a Laker fan but definitely not a Lebron fan. You failed to mention the racist cavs owner. Smh
Lebron move to Miami was not a snake move when your playing for a racist owner. 💯💯💯
So you are a snake if you leave a team who lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs and whose second best player is Mo Williams😬🤨😂
Mo Williams was an allstar that year. He shot 44% from 3 on 5 attempts a game in 2009. He had 18 points on 47/44/91 splits. Not standing for this Mo William hate. He was one of the best second options that year.
@@SackVegasAnimei hate when people said Williams was a allstar like he was the first choice
He was the last resort cuz the other players were hurt
@@raelindsey8456 I hate when casuals don't know what they are talking about. Trying to put together a BS narrative. Both him and a 33 yr old Antawn Jamison were averaging 15 ppg as the 2nd and 3rd option on 44% and 48% FG. Keep making excuses. AI carried the Sixers to the Finals in '01 with way less against tougher competition.
And they had the audacity, to sign ERIC SNOW. I would have left too.
How could the Celtics possibly trade IT to the greatest player ever, smh!
What makes the Iguodala situation worse is he revealed the Nuggets' game plan to the warriors DURING that series, then went and joined them.
Really?
How do you know this?
Iggy also left the nuggets because there George Karl apparently was trying to get some of the warriors players hurt during the game.
everything is fair war
Fisher rejoined the lakers before Gasol arrived. So he didn’t sign with a championship team at all. If anything he went to a worse team than Utah who had just made the WCF.
If I was Thomas I would sue the Celtics
Celtics did everything tu push Allen out and then clutched their pearls when he went to Miami.
Also, I think everyone in the basketball world feels bad for IT, except for maybe Danny Ainge.
Didn’t realize leaving in free agency not requesting a trade at any point was a snake move lol
It’s America. We love kissing a Billionaire’s ass.
Derek Fisher is sick in the head if he used his daughter like that
He didn't. LA just had better facilities to take care of said daughter. Anyone salty about this (especially the Magic Fans) need to let it go, because the Jazz fans understood.
But L.A. didn't have better facilities.
The University of Utah and the Huntsman Cancer Institute in Utah are recognized worldwide as some of the very best in treating cancer which if I remember Correctly, is the condition his daughter had. Some sort of eye cancer.
To be fair derek was always better as a laker
No i think from andy hoops or some other on Andre told Mark Jackson when he coach GSW they tried to hurt steph or something and did not like that playing style but like GSW and what they tried to become.
Y’all slander Melo cause he never won a ring and in the same breath discredit Kevin Durant for going to Golden State when Melo could’ve went to Miami with Bron and didn’t. Safe to say Melo made the right move cause y’all don’t know what y’all want from these players.
It was actually the Warriors that drafted Vince, not the Raptors.
damn thats crazy u call out fisher like that, this is the guy who left his 10 month old daughter after cancer surgery to suit up for the jazz vs GS, how many people would do that. so fucked up
The franchises wheel and deal players without taking any considerations into account. The players don't owe them any loyalties. You all gotta stop shilling for the rich. They don't need you.
Lebron didn’t snake the Cavs they sucked
Us Mavs get screwed all the time… Derek Fisher, Deandre Jordan, Rajon Rondo, and Lamar Odom
Didn't Allen leave because he felt disrespected, and like he was getting pushed out in favor of Rondo? If so, I can see going to their rivals for less, to send a big FU to his old team.
Iggy 2 the Dubs... And don't forget Sean Livingston!!!
The Lakers were barely making it in the playoffs and had lost to pheonix 2 yrs straight when they signed Derek Fisher. Get your facts straight.
Very true. The Lakers became championship contenders when they acquired Pau Gasol.
Oh heck yeah
LeBron going to Miami was never considered a "snake move", people were just upset of the spectacle he made over his free agency dission
Derek using his daughters eye injury to get out of playing in Utah is a terrible look
No pun intended tho 😂
@@markieffmorris9263 i see it now 😂
Free agent leaving isn't really a snake move
Iggy never wanted to be a star or number 1 option on offense, he preferred being a role player. I wouldn't call his choice a snake move cause he was from a situation he wasn't comfortable with to one that was perfect for him.
Didn't have a problem taking the money did he
Don’t know why people have such an issue with Lebron leaving Cleveland the first year and I’m even a Cavs fan. Sure I was pissed at first but the front office failed to surround him with legit role players for 7 years so I get it. I personally don’t care that it was televised. It had good intentions but we all know it shouldn’t have happened live. I remember deployed being like fuuuuuuuck, we lost him…
The bull's failed Jordan till they got pippen and plus didn't the Cavs got Kyrie and almost got Wiggins 🤷🏾♂️.
@@LarryDonnell-sd7rv a difference of the culture at the time, MJ's competition was homegrown, while lebron's was the big 3 Celtics and the Kobe-pau Lakers
Also, say what you will about Jerry Krause, but that guy was competent, unlike the Cavs front office, look at what they got from 3 first picks and one second pick, kyrie, Dion waiters, Anthony Bennett and Wiggins (who didn't contribute to winning basketball until his 4th season, still a major letdown, considering the MJ comparisons when he entered the draft)
@@LarryDonnell-sd7rvRemind everyone WHEN the Cavs got Kyrie. After LeBron first left and they were garbage. They got great picks because they sucked without him. When he was there, the best he got was Mo Williams and Ilgauskas.
Nuggets we’re a better team after Melo left
The raptors told demar they wouldn't trade him right before they traded him for kawhi leonard
It's kind of weird that a grown adult (you) can't comprehend that these other grown adults are making big life decisions based on what they think is best for them. Grow up. Put yourself in other peoples shoes. None of these moves make any of them a snake.
I should point out that Vince Carter was drafted by the Warriors and traded on draft night. You can literally see him wearing a Warriors hat in this video. I know I am being nitpicky. (The Raptors picked Antawan Jamieson)
but got the nerve to ay kd when he was recruited as a free agent and wouldnt have if lebron never created super teams like lebron did joining a heat team that was beating him lol
Bron and KD made no promises. They were both free agents hearing offers from all sorts when they left Cleveland and OKC respectively. Nothing snakey there. Call them soft for the moves they made at the time but that's how it goes these days. Why was it okay for KG and Ray Allen to hook up with Pierce in Boston but not for Bron to join Wade and Bosh in Miami or for Ray Allen to join them later or for KD to join the Warriors?
I love your vids pls comment
You didn’t mention the Celtics and the lakers how they screwed the nba from the 60’s to the 80’s , you didn’t add how shitty the Cavs were w Lebrons first 9 years. You didn’t mention mj punching his teammate 😂😂😂
Stop making career moves a morality issue especially given this is just sport.
kobes stans forget, he snitched on shaq which led to divorce
iguodala's legs werent gonna last him long enough to remain valuable. he wanted to be a key role player to a championship team instead of somebody that's nice enough to lose in the playoffs to the top team. boozer is just biz. as cool as 40 mill is he could get 80. A lot of those are either just biz or championship chasing.
I grew up a Jazz fan and when I heard that Derek Fischer wanted out of his contract after 1 years in Utah to be closer to his daughters care in New York. I felt he was using as his way to get out of Utah and get back to the Lakers. It was a straight up dirt bag move on his part.
Bron didn't join a 73 win team...it's not the same lol. People ironically seem to forget that the Celtics formed their big 3 first ..won a ring...which forced other teams to try and assemble their own big 3
Kawhi should be on this list won a championship and left to play in his home town
the raptors aint mad at kawhi and im pretty positive ppl knew he most likely was leaving toronto
I'll take that over these current "superstars" who sign max deals with their team & then demand a trade. At least Kawhi had an expiration date and Raptors knew exactly what they were getting from the beginning.
Knicks didn’t snake Lin. The Rockets signed Lin to a contract with provisions designed for teams not to match. And The Knicks signed Jason Kidd that summer so they didn’t need him
None of those moves were snake moves because these organizations have to loyalty to the players, so nowadays players have taken their destinies in their own hands and now they’re doing what’s best for them. The hell with these organizations
Those aren’t snake moves. That’s called doing what’s best for yourself and your life. We all have choices and they felt they made the best choice for their lives.
To be a weirdo and say what Lebron did to the Cavs after years of them being a bad franchise and getting no real prime level help for him means you have zero thought of your own
I DISAGREE ON IGGY I MEAN ALOT OF PLAYERS OPT OUT OF THEIR CONTRACT HE DIDNT DO IT JUST TO JOIN BUT NUGGETS FIRED COACH KARL AND DIDNT WISH TO OFFER IGGY BETTER CONTRACT THAT TIME AS FAR AS I RECALL IT CORRECTLY I MEAN LJ AND KD ACTED TO SPOILED TO TEAM JUMP IT IS DIFFERENT IF THERE IS NO REASON OR END OF CONTRACT.
Yeah boozer really snaked the cavs and lebron they could’ve kept u for another year for 700k and did u a favor to get u more money and u leave lol lebron could’ve had the help he needed early on
Ray Allen wasn’t a snake the Celtics were ray allen had every right to go to the Celtics after all the trade rumors surrounding him no snake
Do better as a journalist.. a lot of these guys weren’t snakes. They were done dirty, and reacted the way they should’ve.
LeBron left Cavs to joined Heat. When Wade got older with injuries and Bosh with health issue he took off and left them
This is crazy! Carlos not a snake either. He a man lol why would he take less? Why he can't get that money back?
There are very few loyal basketball players left in today's NBA.for example....
I'm not buying into it at all. How often does a loyal get traded or cut? Why should a player be loyal to a team if the team is not loyal to them?
Kevin Durant and LeBron were both free agents when they choose the new teams they wanted play for.
How is that if you’re a superstar, the media and fans get to tell you what organization you’re allowed to play for?
It was LeBron first then Kevin...boy I tell you.. they don't fault Bron for nothing first
Just because you agree to the terms of a contract, you are not obligated to sign it. That does not make one a snake.
That andre iguodala reference is weak. He played there for two years. His coach was fired, so he left.
You wrong on Vincanity and Linsanity … get your facts straight my boy , don’t add extra
Carlos is not a snake . Math is math 39 million or 70? Man call me a shake all day with that option
6:17 If true that's probably one of the biggest reasons Melo didn't won a Ring.
Booze snake move d fish snake move bron leaving Cleveland boss move d Jordan snake move
watching y’all vids and seeing that y’all speak like media personel 😂😂
Imagine iggy stayed in Denver
I'd believe Carlos on that Cavs always been a shit organization
Nahh fam your wrong about the ray allen take he owed them nothing.
Doc Rivers betrayed Ray Allen. He had no choice but to leave
Get all of the facts from both sides before you make a video. Smh
How is Ray Allen a snake the Celtics wanted him off the bench and to take less shots. L take
What about teams who were snakes with their own players?
Finally some real talk about the lack of honor in the nba