Canadian military accepting less than 1% of permanent residents who apply
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- The Canadian Armed Forces has received more than 21,000 applications from permanent residents eager to join the chronically understaffed military full time, but less than 100 of them have made it into the regular forces in the year since they were allowed to sign up.
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Permanent residents need to meet the security standard. Bottom line, no compromises.
Ummm, don't you kind of have to pass a couple tests in the first place to become a PR ???? Personally, if they need to outside vet people it doesn't say much for the official security policies, procedures and training within the current CAF itself does it?
@@scottmccambley764 Mmmm, no. It makes sense to me that there would be a different, higher standard for military service than for basic residency.
@@scottmccambley764 Hi. Army will likely vet everyone. Perhaps the military intelligence level vetting is more in depth vs PR applicants submitting police certificates during the PR process. Also other criteria might be a reason as well, e.g. I am not eligible for applying to police force because of eyesight requiring correction using spectacles. I will need to undergo a laser eye treatment, to be eligible at least in that part, other aspects of physical capability notwithstanding.
Honestly, do you think they give you the keys to the CF-18 hanger on the first day?
Becoming a PR these days is no mean feat. I would bet my lunch that more PRs could successfully pass a Grade 10 Canadian Civics course than the same number of natural borns thats for sure @@Rikki-Tikki-Tavi
Permanent residents wait years to get that status and have already gone through extensive security checks. Canadian-born citizens, on the other hand, have never gone through any sort of security check in their lives. This red tape is just another form of secret racism in the CAF, but I assure you no matter what they think, this will also change through political intervention. Nobody can stop the change.
The military isn't a social service. There are standards. It's pretty hard to vet somebody who's lived in Canada for only a few months.
Considering all the scandals of the past several years, I doubt standards are the issue. The CAF already had a hard time processing paperwork for citizens.
Lol. "A few months." So you have NO idea how the system works. Good grief, how do people speak with such confidence and ignorance the same time?
@@Adam.Langton my bad, a few years. That excuses everything. back to the drawing board. Out of curiousity, have you ever held a security clearance?
@@mitchellwharry2922 yes. What does that have to do with the original post? Absolutely nothing.
I m Permanent Resident I wish to be Chaplin in Military
I'm happy the military is taking its time picking the correct candidates. This is the responsible thing to do. Next there's a huge security leak and the same people pushing for speeding up the process will be asking who's responsible for this failure in vetting applicants.
Out of the 21,000 Permanent Residents that applied for the reserves and the forces, only 77 have actually been inducted into the military in the span of a year mind you.
This isn’t because they’re actually properly vetting the applicants it’s because their bureaucracy is so woefully inefficient and incompetent and understaffed that they can’t handle this much volume. Just like everything else in this country
"Standards matter". Due diligence and selecting the right people is correct.
Is that why they are asking trans people to apply?
The military has standards?
The CAF now is a joke in all aspects !
Doesn’t justify low productivity and chronic inefficiencies
Congrats to the Canadian military for their due diligence and tough selection process. The Armed Forces is no joke.
76 successful applicants out of 20K is not efficient use of recruitment resources, anyhow logical or remotely defendable as a employment practice, nor sustainable as a provisional service to the CAF as a whole. The General in charge needs a frickin demotion.
@@scottmccambley764 it is. The process started recently, and it would take time. Have you thought about risk side?
FYI: I am a PR holder and I support slow process.
Yeah, like you are going to be given the keys to the CF-18 hanger on the first day. Quantity is a Quality all on its own. The CAF has long forgotten that rule in most things it does: Recruitment and Procurement @@akt7029
Sorry, but the standards are already down the drain !
The twidling numbers and retention issues are absolutely no joke as well.
It's tough
I'm one of the 21,472 applicants and I've been waiting for over a year. I will continue to wait eagerly for the opportunity to serve this great country, which is the utmost honour. 🇨🇦
Don’t give up!
I'm a citizen myself and it also took me 2 years from application to when I got my acceptance letter. Just keep at it.
just wait for trudeau to be gone
Never quit, took me 3 years to get in.
No honour with members wearing facial hair and man buns with painted fingernails !
Pay CAF members A LOT more, offer signing bonuses and re-signing bonuses, more benefits etc. Also, don't neglect retention. Lots of coin goes into training folks. Would be easier to keep them rather than hiring new peps and spending a ton to bring them up to speed. Quality of life and career. Better equipment, more beans and bullets, you name it. Might also help if you ask current serving members what would keep them around. Never seen a survey on that before.
They ask us internally. Our answer is always the same. Better pay. The answer they give back is always the same "there's no more to give." And how could they give more? Our fantastic government only just finished slashing $1B from our budget.
You want more money for doing nothing?
@@eanerickson8915 Funny guy, but hey we are severely short staffed throughout the entirety of the forces. You are more than welcome to join up and get in on "doing nothing" with us.
@@eanerickson8915 CAF members do and have done a lot for this country. You should look into it. I know, I was once one of them. We need a larger force, which means we need more people. You can't tell me paying them more won't help with recruitment and retention.
No survey ever ?
Just join the U.S. military! More action and more adventurous places. Nothing to do in Canada.
Have you enlisted yet?
@@1anre I was there four years ago. All I can say there is a female body builder that sounds like a man. Living in Quebec is not what you think.
They’re doing this and the US NAVY are dropping the high school/ GED requirement to join. That’s how much they’re needing people.
Maintain the high standards the last thing we need are sleeper cells in the military
When immigrant applying for PR, they go through all the necessary checks, including requesting police clearance documents from all countries where the individual has lived for more than 6 months. Some people wait up to 2 years to obtain PR due to all the checks. Going through a secondary, identical check but this time with the army is a waste of time and resources.
The military needs to ensure proper candidates are selected because of the access to sensitive information and resources. This information and those resources in the wrong hands could be detrimental to our society.
Like the battalion of SS Nazis that Yaroslav Hunka belonged to that came to Canada ? The Hilarious part was after this gaff no mention on how he got into Canada, no silly, tax wasting public inquiries that we are now so used to and the government institutions that were responsible ! ...LoL
@@lshep9728you don’t have access to anything sensitive as a private recruit. Officer is a different matter of course but for junior ncm this is just overkill .
@@_Cartographer_ A PR doesn't hand you a rifle. Being in the military does. PR/Citizenship process doesn't always do a good job at filtering out security concerns. There have been instances of people who immigrated to Canada and later on joined ISIS and then returned back to Canada.
I am a Canadian Citizen enrolling in the reserves. Despite being Canadian, I lived in Mexico for a little less than three years and it took me 6 months and hundreds of dollars to get all the security paperworks from that country.
I can’t imagine for someone born abroad, espcially from a difficult country.
How long did the background take you from the day you completed your CFAT/psychical test until you got your offer?
@@edwinruiz132 I passed the health exam in May 2023. In september, I got an email from Ministry of Defense asking for proofs of stay in Mexico as well as a Mexican criminal record (which was complex for me to get since I never got a Mexican number). I mustered everything in early February. Passed the CFAT and Force test on February 21st.
Since I applied for an officer, I still need approval from high command. As an enlisted, I would have already been approved on the same night as CFAT/FORCE.
People with PR used to be able to join quit easily , many of my friends joined back in the days mostly in the reserve force and then the banned it because many used the system to get their citizenship faster . Now they brought it back and I understand why they make it harder to be accepted as a PR . People that wishes to join the force have to show that they genuinely wants to be part of the forces .
Everyone has to pass Basic. If you survive Basic you definitely want to be there in the first place. Just say'n. I think fast tracking Canadian citizenship for service is not a bad thing either.
Then start offering contracts/obligations for the reserves, so it will deter people who omly want to use the system, being understaffed is unacceptable, if we are attacked today, next week, next month or next year, pay attention to what will happen, UK have now decided to militarized normal citizens.
It's been two years, and Nato is unable to stop Russia. What happens if more countries join his cause and expand to countries supporting Ukarine? Look how many people have died in Ukraine. They have underestimated him for the last ten years, and here we are.
Which years was this when it was allowed?
The US has a similar flow for citizenship in exchange for service but they never banned it and they've been good. So wonder why Canada didn't fix the issue instead of banning everything
@@1anreWhen I joined in 2002, PRs were accepted in NCM trades; Officers were still requires to be citizens. Now, PRs can apply for NCM or Officer occupations.
@TheeYellowDart Oh thats inteetsing to hear.
What rank did you rise up to if you're still in?
Which do you think would be a better investment of a PR's time and skill, NCM trades or officer route, as I've heard there're fewer opportunities for officers in the reserves, etc?
I’m Irish currently here on work visa trying to get PR, would love to join. My family also has a strong military history!
Canada has much stricter standards than even the US Marine Corps
It does not lol just inefficient processing
And its shocking.
Cause the US actively shops for green card holders(PRs) to join their force
They do a thorough security check at the international level before giving permanent resident (PR) status to anyone. They should collaborate with ircc because they are the one giving PR after doing a thorough security check.
Foreign students come to on a student visa But dont go to school ... fast path for immigration
Humanity has become a total joke
Fidel castro is justin trudeaus dad😂
Really, it's written all over his face. Look at side by side pictures and you will see.
why werent these people vetted before entering Canada ....how many sleeper cells do we have already ?
Probably millions by now
A fortunate Canadian who doesn't even brush against the struggles of an immigrant. When applying for PR, they go through all the necessary checks, including requesting police clearance documents from all countries where the individual has lived for more than 6 months. Some people wait up to 2 years to obtain PR due to all the checks. Going through a secondary, identical check but this time with the army is a waste of time and resources.
@@Zilberman1 Well said.
How many spies apply?
I did. And still been waiting for over a year despite almost 15 years in Canada. And yes still waiting for Canadian citizenship.....
@@b7knuckles7hi, can’t you just take the citizenship test to be a Canadian Citizen if you are a Permanent Resident?
@@mikaelagomez3430 I took the citizenship test months ago
@@b7knuckles7 15 years in Canada without leaving or did you leave for vacations? Even citizens can have their applications delayed by constant trips out of the country because they check to see what you were doing for each one.
@@Tribuneoftheplebs only would travel for work when testing aircraft flight simulators on deployments. Other than that yes, stuck in the backlog.
The Canadian military's mobilization of civilians is guided by various laws, policies, and regulations.
• National Defence Act (NDA): Specifically, Part II, sections 30-33, outline the Canadian Forces' authority to call up reserves and civilians in times of crisis
• Emergency Management Act (EMA): Enables the federal government to respond to national emergencies, potentially involving military mobilization.
• Quartermaster General's Standing Orders (QGSO): Outline procedures for mobilization, including civilian involvement.
• Canadian Forces Total Force Policy: Integrates regular, reserve, and civilian contributions.
• Civil Emergency Assistance Plan (CEAP): Guides military support to civil authorities during emergencies.
Stringent standards and thorough security screening is a must but they can and should accelerate the process. The bureaucracy is too thick and difficult to navigate. PR's with citizenship from other countries are definitely more time consuming but more effort needs to be applied. The active strength is diminishing faster than recruitment can handle and while you definitely don't want to cut corners, they absolutely could speed up the process. Clearly by their numbers there is a desire from PR's to join but 18-24 months (on average) of screening is just a lazy, bureaucratic mess.
are they loyal to there religion or loyal to the country
"we fight for your freedoms!" 2020: crickets
How much of Afghanistan is White. More there than here. People’s place and hearts transfer. Afghanistan almost looks like Alberta staring at the Rockies.
The CAF has had a massive backlog for years. "3 months" for citizens is far from accurate.
As a citizen, it took me 2 full years to see an acceptance letter. Applied in 2015, didn't get anything until 2017.
Just keep standards the same
yeah no thanks
Immigrated here 10 years back and a became a citizen few years back. I would thousand percent wait CAF to do complete chrcks before inviting me to be part of their team. Military is no joke, national security is above all.
Canada shouldn't need to lower Military Rules Nore Standards to aquire the right amount of personell. Canada needs to utilize foreigners who are being treated better than Canadian born poverty citizens. So instead of bringing foreigners in to classified operations put them in to intelligence operations, overseas operations in Muslim countries and alot of them in search and rescue operations. Which would free up alot of real Canadian soldiers. And if Canada spent the right amount of money on salaries benefits equipment weapons innovation and procurement timelines. And only loosen military requirements for Canadians with Certain Criminal records, Certain type of disabilities, certain type of Medication needs which all are things that can be dealt with do this and Canada would be able to return to a top world Military Navy Airforce Intelligence World POWER. And with a more dangerous more difficult Cold war Now we need to rebuild, Return to our Old Budgets Old Defense Postures Defense Sizes And Type Of Weapons Before We Can Think Of Modernizing. It's not rocket science more Defense spending with little to no political Defense purchases Or Popular Defense Decisions Spend What We Need Buy Or Built What We Need For When We Need It. At the Moment Canada Needs Personell Increase Of At Least 400% Increase With Equipment And Weapons Modernizing And Increased Sized Fleets By At Least Triple, We Need Change Procurement In Order to Spend Less And Aquire Systems When We Need Them, And We Need to Rebuild Our Domestic Air Navy Army Equipment Weapon Industry We Need to Become More Self Sufficant And We Need To Build Or Buy What We Need When We Need It Without Over Inflated Prices and No Requiring Our Allies Or Politics To Decide Weather We're Going To Buy What We Need And Weather We're Gonna spend triple on Something Before It Offers jobs to our Allies. Canada use to Spend Average 6% Gdp on Defense with next to no intelligence officers and agencies, and in a Regular Cold War Not A multi Lateral One Let Alone We Didn't Have Decades Of Neglect. And Which 6 percent We had one of the world's best Modern Smaller than ww2 but more deadly more modern more robust Airforce navy army With Minimum Two Types Of New Fighter Jets Sometimes 3, Large Anti Submarine warfare Systems, 4 different Nuclear Chemical Biological Weapon Delivery Systems, lots of Air Defense, Large Diverse Multiple type of Naval Ships, Large Army With Large Diverse Weapons And Equipment. Submarines Aircraft Carrier Strike group, Deterrence, Defense, Offense, Strong Air Sea Land at home abroad sub sea capabilites. Lots of foreign operating bases. Not we got 4 main Enemies. 1 Regional Super Power, Another Regional Super power and Nuclear Super Power And a New Super power. Yet Canada can't even maintain 1 percent gdp on defense when it needs closer to 10% let alone and even worse is the lack of willingness to purchase or build what we need when we need like a wmd deference multiple new types of missiles new destroyers and frigates large nuclear powered guided missile submarine for the Arctic along with small attack subs aircraft carrier strike groups no large forward operating bases no large diverse airforce. No mid level personell size. No sending our army navy airforce to help allies instead we send money and or w buy weapon systems we dont have but need. It's all politics and corruption and greed. Canadas goverment needs to be taken down and rebuilt then modernized or Canada should not Be allowed To be a Nation And Give its Soviergnty to America Before Russia or China Take it
Only citizens should be allowed not Permanent Residents period...it is about security of a country and it is very sensitive matter..
No he could sell info back!
Not surprised at this at all. When we’re lied to about seemingly everything ALL the time…how do/can we trust Anyone?
this is bad !
As a permanent resident, I aspire to join the regular forces of the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF). I have successfully completed my CSAT, but the recruiting office has informed me that it would take more than a year before I could be enlisted.
Let’s train foreign soldiers
This isn't rhe place for Dei, you either make the security restrictions or you don't, these are people's lives you're playing with.
So long as they pass a security check sign them up to 10 years plus a requirement to pass the citizenship test. They meet those requirements I got no problem with that being a pathway to citizenship. If they are willing to give 10 plus years to defending this country why wouldn't they make ideal citizens?
Why would anybody want to risk their lives to fight a broken country like Canada ?
As it should be. This is the security of our country after all and traded military secrets and operations with the most powerful countries in the world.
I just wish that they vetted every immigrant from problem spots as well as they do when they try to join the CAF!!!
They're being vetted guys, and probably to even higher standards then Canadian citizens. There's no need to panic. What's actually worrying is the incredibly high vacancy rate of the CAF. THAT'S what should be keeping up at night.
who wants to fly 40 year old jets if Trudeau hadnt cancelled Harpers jet order at great expense our pilots could be flying new jets and trudeau wont be around to foot the bill for the jets he just ordered and how many years before they are ready ?
Why are folks panicking though? In 3yrs they'd become citizens and are the same people they were before the citizenship, so why the fear?
Folks are funny
The reason caf was so strong was because of the environment they grew up in. CANADA
Ohhhh so that’s why I seen them at my local First Nations school!? Cause they can’t recruit anyone else? Bahaha wonder why
We need to do 3 years of bureaucracy first.
Really, this policy is asking for trouble!
I am an immigrant and I support the armed forces to hold the same process and screening standard regarding to all applications they received. I do not see this process as bias or discrimination towards PR, as national security matters.
There are many ways to serve the country and our community, simply be a law-abiding person and pay your taxes is already a way of service. There are tons of voluntary opportunities for anyone who is looking to serve.
Standards are there for a reason! Permanent residents are a big security issue, simple!
God, Bill Blaire's face grosses me out.
Sounds like more investment needed in the vetting process to capitalize on the interest to fill needs. But who's going to fault the military for not rushing selection. Nobody
Predictable and preventable problems
News flash Kabul didn't fall to the Taliban it was gift wrapped with a 7 billion dollar bow !
“Permanent residents”
Loosening the standards on security clearance is a bad idea
I have been to basic training in Quebec. It is very very very hard and demanding. You will get yelled at for training and at the cafeteria. At therapy there is a body builder lady with muscles that will work you very hard. I only stayed one week, but left after one month. I heard after Covid it got really worse and many Canadian citizens are not interested in joining the military. There is no enthusiasm. Bring in permanent residents, but remember there is always a person who will turn his back on Canada.
They push you in basic training because they need to make sure you are fit for life in the military.
@@lshep9728 That is true, but I went before winter and I got sick in November 2019. I rather have gone to Borden, Ontario. Remember if your are in Quebec you have to speak two languages when you are doing marching drills. I am not sure if they do this at Borden. I know U.S. military is tough, but they speak one language and that is English. When I was there there was some Spanish speaking people.
@@danielpark8003 If you speak both languages, you will be promoted faster because you get extra points. For some strange reason, speaking both languages makes you a better leader...? So if you take a college course and I speak both language's, they both hold the same weight...I'd love an explanation for this.
@@lshep9728 Your point is true!!! However, I met three people who decided to join the U.S. military back in November 2019. More opportunities because they deploy more!!! I met young fellow who is white and he was 19 at the time. He had a girlfriend living in Okotoks, Alberta. His dad's uncle was living in Missoula, Montana.
I told him about Pyeongtaek, South Korea and the base Camp Humphries. They had 21,000 soldiers living there. So he decided to do that. After his discharge and he decided to train another year at the gym and decided to list in the U.S. Army. His girlfriend what I know wants to teach English in Korea. My younger brother who is a doctor became an American citizen along with his Korean wife on February 25, 2020.
He joined the United States as an Air Force reserve in Los Angeles. But he had weapons training in Alabama.
I understand some of the Canadian military personnel go down to Louisiana and Mississipi for military traning. Here is the youtube at Camp Humphries. Being in the Canadian military will give you some good opportunities. I heard some Canadian Navy personnel rather wanted to join the U.S. military and I heard that from a Korean American man living in California while my mom owned a Japanese restaurant in Vancouver.
You have to understand Canada only brought 10,000 soldiers to Korea and there is no Canadian military base. My mom worked at Camp Henry in Daegu, Korea back in the 1960s.
Even if we wanted to , we dont have the infrastructure and equipment in place to hire all these residents intocour CAF. Turdboy has us paying some odd 40 billion a year in just interest payments from the over 700 billion procured throughout his tenure. That 40 billion which i believe is more than what we pay for our entire forces.
But when Russia's at the door, the infra will materialize eh?
@@1anre being in a geographically safe place we prefer to wait until it's almost to late, it's the Canadian way ! Thank you Americans
Lip service should not be allowed. Change the system
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaahahahahhaha
I went to India and they wouldn’t let me fire rockets 😐
"Canadian military ". No immigrant wants Tampons on the men's room 😅
Yall seem to forget the militsry has to compete with the civilian sector , often much more lucrative and less restricting than military. On top of that the CAF still has problems with attracting qualified individuals across the board and an even harder time retaining them.
definitely agree to uphold standards, and there should be extra scrutiny for non-citizens applying to army to ensure there's no hidden agendas. considering all the recent events in Canadian intelligence leaks, the military should avoid similar fiasco.
How is the US doing it and why can't they learn from them ?
Man is the CAF ever hurting wow wow wow
given how the world is turning. toshit, we need more soilders then ever
We need real canadians
Given how the world is today, we're more likely to give AI the controls. Then we're all dead.
Thats exactly why no ones lining up to fight other peoples wars... people are done with these senseless wars. We should be focusing on / fixing our own problems before we have any reason to go trying to solve others problems.
@@michaelmcclenon6663 Elaborate on what's a "real" Canadian for me please.
We?
Yeah, no.
Fight your own wars, boomer.
Amazing that they are doing the appropriate checks to make sure they get the best candidates. They should be way more thorough for the Canadian candidates....as many people are inappropriately accepted into the military.
You mean underqualified and non-fit Canadians are given a pass?
I think that the security standard is the problem. Those people are already checked thoroughly to be a PR. That's because permanent resident is not a small status, they are entitled to almost every privilege of a Canadian citizen such us access to school loans and can even buy houses at a normal price just like citizen, they only can't vote or return to their native country. So, what I'm saying is are people getting those privileges of a PR Status without meeting high security standards.
Who said they can't return to their home country?
Good? You know how many people will take advantage to serve their home nation. Do the due diligence.
These immigrants would run away when the bombs dropped wrong call they're not right for the army
And you are?
Probably also the aptitude test, I could see a high failure rate.
People who are PR applicants are some of the most intelligent folks from their countries.
Grade 10 aptitude test is a bloody joke to them in case you're mistaken
My barber wants to join, he's just waiting on his PR status to go through.
He had a Masters in Mechanical Engineering; And granted, he might be partly the exception, but your statement is quite the generalization.
@TheeYellowDart from what I've seen and know, it's not thr exception.
Can you respond to the other question you commented on?
@@1anreSorry...which one?
I think its great he's removed from the ballot 2024.
Indian | Afghani will ruin CAF
" Let them in until their security check clears " That isn't very secure ! Nor is it safe or fair to military personal for putting their safety at risk . Drag queens and tampons in men's washrooms is idiotic . Allowing unvetted foreigners into the ranks is dangerous and extremely irresponsible perhaps treasonous . I cant see them doing it .
This is the army that buys parts from ebay from its navy ships lol.
Our military is better off without them, if they weren’t willing to fight for the country they ran from then what makes you think they won’t drop and run as soon as the shat hits the fan here? They’re looking for something other than the opportunity to genuinely serve.
To most, once they see it and experience it, Canada is an amazing place to live, so some of the men want to contribute and be involved in something good as opposed to what they likely left. Understand? They experience the multi-cultural country that is Canada and most want their kids growing up here. It's worth defending.
Ha gotta be kidding
It's played over time and time again in history, Mercenaries arnt reliable.
😂
hey I'm a PR myself and I'm serving in the reserve force as an infanteer. we have a few guys that are PR at our unit. we're all welcoming them regardless of where they come from. I agree, it makes sense that PR should have a longer security screening but there is no reason to hate PR trying to join the CAF.
It should be 0%
There's a standard!!
You know America going to do same it's, 63% that people don't want take the exam tasting and leave military start this after draft was end in 1973 exam tasting was under way so how you think those drafted feel about testing and now testing they doing new changes
Can t get them,don't do it.
We live in a peaceful world in Canada, and nobody thinks about security anymore. They think about equality more-so. But the military would prefer natural born citizens joining, because doing back ground checks when their whole life is documented in Canada is easier. A 30 yr old coming from Russia can have any background and proving it or checking up on it is difficult. If that new recruit eventually ends up working in intelligence, it would be nice to know he holds only Canada's interests at heart, and is not actually a Russia intelligence operative who now has access to Five Eyes data.
A secondary intake stream for permanent residents is in order. Give them a non-sensitive career path while waiting for their security clearance to complete.
Ask yourself how the French foreign legion does it, cause what you just typed is so 1945-ish
Bingo! That's correct.
CANADIANS ONLY PERIOD THERE HAS TO BE STANDARDS HERE
and how many non Canadians are in our parliament?
hey I'm a PR myself and I'm serving in the reserve force as an infanteer. we have a few guys that are PR at our unit. we're all welcoming them regardless of where they come from. I agree, it makes sense that PR should have a longer security screening but there is no reason to hate PR trying to join the CAF.
@@egc04hahahaha
Military should be a valid path to citizenship.
It is. Not just promoted enough.
US does this and isn't shy.
Wonder why Canada shies away from the subject
@1anre I think it's because we shy away from the idea of the military being a worthy function in this country. The general feeling in the CAF right now is, nobody knows what we do, nor do they care.
It's a sticky spot to be in trying to convince any patriots left to join. A lot of mistrust in government in the past few years also doesn't help.
I doubt any other country in the world, other than the US, allows other citizens to join their military. If USA can do it though, so can Canada.
Commonwealth citizens can join the British military.
@@timogreenwold122ok. Being part of the commonwealth would be like being a citizen who has pledged allegiance. That would make sense.
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IT IS VERY HARD FOR EVERY BODY TO PASS THE TRAINING YOU HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF STRONG MONSTER TO PASS THE TRAINING BEFORE ACCEPTING
Why the heck is our military accepting PR status people?
wtf.
hey I'm a PR myself and I'm serving in the reserve force as an infanteer. we have a few guys that are PR at our unit. we're all welcoming them regardless of where they come from. I agree, it makes sense that PR should have a longer security screening but there is no reason to hate PR trying to join the CAF.
Cause they'd be citizens eventually in 3 years' time.
What does "PR people" even mean?
You don't know PRs eventually become citizens, or do you think they're on visiting visas?
Hohoho. Jokers
@@1anre PR is not citizenship. Not all PR bothers to get full citizenship. There's and old lady in my town that moved here in 1960s That is still PR because she simply could not be bothered to get full citizenship. If you want to join, become a citizen first.
Dont preach to me. PRs will join if they want to. Else the government shouldn't mislead folks
@billhacks
Accepting permanent residents isn't a new concept. We did this in the early 2000's.
Non-Citizens cannot be forced to serve in combat. Just ask the USA, why they no longer accept non-US citizens.
Many who’ve applied say it could 3 months for citizens.. if they haven’t lost people’s online applications 1st & they come to ask about it
Standards matter but they allow long pink hair, piercings and pronouns.
This is likely changing again soon; and not going looser either
Well long pink hair, piercings and pronouns is basically the standard nowadays ! "If you are looking for Susies, then you are going to get Susies !"
I can't believe my eyes when I saw man buns and piercings on male members of the CAF in uniform. Same goes as well to municipal police forces the first time I saw it and the public is suppose to take them seriously ?
Dr Robert Strang says LOCK It Down we can not let novascotia go to newbrunwick let alone letting someone who is not a residence! Serve in the military! OLD STRANG SAYS LOCK IT DOWN ITS FAR,TO DANGEROUS WITH COVID 19,!
3 Months for Canadian citizens?!
AS. IF.
It took me 3.5 *YEARS* to join.
why the military accepts "applications" other than citizens??????
Because Canadians dont want to join the military to fill those 8k+ vacancies. The US military also accepting non-citizens for certain trades so, this is really not new. Maybe if you get off your keyboard and consider joining the military, that would help.
@@gggcha123 Also, it's a "volunteer" force so no one is being told that they have to join unless they want to. It's the same in the US.
They accept citizens. They're easy to vet. They want more on top of the born citizens who apply.
I applied December or January and they said I might get a medical/interview appointment in September.... thats still 5 months away...
We should be more concerned about our spending on the GDP index in defence as Canadians.
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Dr. Peterson and Pierre interview.
EXCELLENT 🍎
Great to hear professionals speak - we need to be a combat-ready force, access to military equipment and national security matters are important.
I did my test to join, there was a handful of them that applied however, they are not physically fit.
Did you pass both aptitude and fitness tests and what trade?
@@1anre I am an overweight former athlete, I did the fitness test with some haste and passed. it is doable if you pace yourself and listen to instructions. aptitude test I passed and I am currently waiting to do my medical and interview at the end of this month for combat eng.
@@12aptures combat engineer needs high scores in aptitude cause of some complexity involved. Also, if taking the Officer route, the score requirements are different.
The screening would take time if you're PR, and medical should be straightforward if you have no major ailments
@@1anre I am not PR but yes I already qualified for combat eng. they said my scores were good. I hope it doesn't take too long Ive been in the process for like 3 years now.
@@12aptures3 years!!!!😮😮😮😮😮 is there any hope for me as a PR
Hey if you are recruiting people to fight overseas against the same people they were previously fighting as a civilian, that makes a lot of sense. However, I would limit these types of recruits to deployment to regions they are familiar with, and non-combat duty only.
Simply having someone that speaks the local language could be quite valuable. Call them the specialists.
Let the Canadian military, take care of our safety. Your hysteria , keep it to yourselves!
When applicants wait for over a year for Canadian residents. It's to long
bring back conscription the housing problem will vanish
Brig. Gen. Brodie says it loud and clear.
We've got to be a combat ready force, so they'll do what they've got to do