Harley Has A HUGE Issue With Their New Bikes
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2024
- Harley has released their new 2024 models but after seeing some of the "older" bikes in the dealerships I can see that Harley Has a huge issue here.
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Bought mine used, & saved a TON of money. I've owned it for 10years, reliable, fast, comfortable for 500+ miles/day. Mine is a twincam, NOT a Milwaukee 8.
Have always wanted a Road Glide but cannot justify the price. People may think I’m cheap, but $26,000 for a motorcycle is ridiculous.
You can get a used Road Glide probably with accessories you wanted for under $20k
I was just told that an RG out the door would be closer to 33k by a sales person. I was like oh hell no.
As someone who works on his own motorcycles and sees how little is there, I don't get paying that kind of money for one. I love bikes but let's be real, there's NOTHING THERE. When I look at a motorcycle I just don't see how they could possibly charge that price for one, especially when other companies can build a WHOLE CAR for less.
I bought a Dyna and, after a Google search, found that if I couldn't afford my dream bike, I could build it for about half the cost. Maybe you could look into doing something like that.
If it was a Ducati......
Don't need a motorcycle with a water cooled engine or a big TV screen in front of me. I stick to the old E-glides for sure.
80" EVOS are bullett proof they run way cooler than shovels
Still riding my carbureted 02 Electra Glide. I still turn around and look at her when I park.
ME to brother me to!!!!
love my evo fatboy 1996
Don't need all these rider aids either. I learned how to control a bike a long time ago.
Bargain? All the rider aids and such are the reasons why not to buy this newer stuff. Get rid of modes, the tft screeen and vvt. Give back analogue guages. Just put on a real rear suspension, better pipes amd cam and all led lights. Those are the upgrades many of us want
If that’s what you’re looking for, you’d be better off just buying a 2014 and slapping on your own upgrades.
The reason that Harley riders get so much flack is in part due to the inability to embrace technology that is basically an industry standard everywhere else.
I’m sure there are at least a couple guys that won’t ride anything other than a knucklehead because it’s not a “ True Harley.”
@@paulhall8027Thats not true....They are still selling RKS and Heritages....No Infotainment on them..Still Analog Guages on them too...
@@paulhall8027 I agree, I love older Harleys for what they are, but I don't want to buy a new bike that is just a warmed over model. I have 2010 Goldwing that has more tech on it than the new Harleys. I bought it in 2020 because I thought HD needed to catch up. Now that HD is making strides catch up, I am looking in Harley's direction again.
I'm with you on wanting real upgrades and not just Tech.
@@jamessouthworth1699 What are you looking for exactly? The stock upgrades this year are numerous:
All LED ( finally)
Improved suspension ( Finally)
Weight reduction
Larger storage
Improved wind screen and deflection
Larger stock engine ( more powerful than the 2023 117 in the ST )
Redesigned stock seat ( finally)
CVO style rear lighting
The point is, even if you take out the tech ( which is pretty much industry standard now ) , you’re getting a pretty much fully redesigned bagger that finally brings HD into the 21st century. Also, you get it for a substantially lower price than last year. I’m not sure how anyone can complain.
I've yet to find any Harley dealers that will sell bikes for MSRP, so I don't know where those discounted prices are but definitely not where I live
Here in Northern Ontario our dealer is priced same as advertised by Harley small town big deals
Boswell’s HD in Nashville sells at msrp
Dealers in our area are. Marking 23’s down $4-6000 to get rid of the old models.
Exactly!
I am keeping and riding my 1994 ElectraGlide Classic until I leave this earth.
Me to mate. 1993 f.x.r 👍😎🍺
I live in Australia and own 2023 cvo .so many problems with the entertainment system. The problems are endless. If I was able to get a refund I would dump it at their feet. No help here in Australia. They have no support 😢
Good video.
I've been for riding 51yrs, and prefer to stick with my '97 WideGlide and '72 ElectraGlide, as they're closer to the original spirit of motorcycling.
No blaring radios or flat screen TVs.
I still love my stroked 82 FLHS, oh and my 80 FXE, oh and my 83 FXR, I do all my own work, bottom end up, fully equipped to do so, then I also have a few ironheads, they're a blast.
@@randymarks4011
Those are all winning numbers.
Ride safe.👍
@@rarebreed9208 been on two wheels since 77, still here, people on their phones have tried many times to take me out but I saw them coming and got out of their way.
Agree. While I'm not much on federal or state oversight, I do wish they'd ban those radios! The obnoxious pipes are another nuisaance on both HD's and sport bikes.
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I agree.
When your pipes are too loud or you have a blaring radio, it not only disturbs the public, but you can't hear what your machine is doing.👍
Some of us don't care to have a full electronic digital dash on our motorcycle.
AMEN
That's why I have Highway King.
CarPlay is a game changer for touring if you are stuck in the handlebar GPS era.
@@ViZ_FFA Yeah and guess what, the shills for these new bikes won't mention that Android phone owners are SOL, no android auto on the new bikes. Deal breaker! Won't be trading my '20 Street Glide anytime soon. Not to mention the $10K loss I'd have to take on it (and yes, I had a deal on paper with the local dealer to see where I was at, $10K loss on my SG from what I paid for it slightly used from a private party a year ago). Android Auto works beautifully on my bike. Stretched bags. Top speed way over 100.
All these "awesome changes" mentioned over and over in the video... just what exactly are they again? For my $14K to boot out the door? The screen that ends up with less space left over for nav by the time you get the speedo and tach displayed? Navagation that you have to pay an additional $350 to have for 3 years? The rider aids that cut your HP in the rain (in case this is your first day on a bike...)? The farkle farings with their LED's all over the place? The thinner plastic on the saddle bags (wiggle a saddle bag lid when open if you don't believe me) and thinner metal on the tank? The change to the seat that prevents previous seats from fitting? The Fischer Price inspired inner faring that looks really really cheap from the rider's seat? And yeah, that's what you see when you're riding it, dull cheap looking plastic everywhere. It just feels like you are sitting on a cheap, bargain bike from the rider's seat, all bias aside. To me that's the biggest noticable change cosmetically, it just looks so plasticky & cheap. Plastic speaker grills that look identical to the ten dollar 8 track tape player I had as a kid in the 70's? I want to like it, I want it to make me want to spend $14K but it just doesn't. I could go on and one with all the "awesome new changes" to these bikes that have the Hegshots jumping up and down. Oh yeah and I guess that "no start" thing is no big deal at all, huh?
The CVO's are beautiful. For $43K. That's the trick they played on us here. The plasticky basic bike, with a few new farkles to get the attention of today's attention span challenged buyer (yup, watch the video again if you don't believe me...), is a few thousand over the previous base bike's price. The CVO, which is TAKING THE PLACE IN HARLEY'S LINEUP OF THE SPECIALS from the past, is over ten grand more than the specials were! All at similar production costs as past model years, but MUCH HIGHER TRANSACTION PRICES. See what they did to us here? CVO's as they once were (very limited production, exclusive) no longer exist. The name CVO has taken the place of the name Special in Harley's lineup, for a ton more $$. CVO's are now and will be a dime a dozen (figuratively) at dealers everywhere, not exclusive at all, except for the high cost of admission of course. They are using the name "CVO" which had been a rare, exclusive limited production bike, on the current crop of "Specials" to make us want to pay $10K more for them.
The drawer in the batwing faring looks great, nice change there. The updated suspension that adds a little travel, yeah good thing, but Ohlins would do wonders on my '20 if ride quality was a problem which it really isn't. Or factory 13" takeoffs from an Ultra. I think that's basically what they did - add another inch or so to the rear travel by putting longer shocks on than a SG or RG had previously, right? Then put on a thinner or re-shaped seat to make the ride hight feel the same. Maybe tweaked the front end a little as well. Frame is identical so they did not do anything revolutionary to the geometry or ride quality that can't be done with shocks.
Sorry for the long rant, last point. The top speed of a Toyota Prius is over 100 MPH. They are NOT goverened at 100. Guess what - if you're riding a '24 with all that awesome new power you think you have... just don't get into a spat with a Prius on the freeway, 'cause that Prius is going to be able to drive away from you on top end. Or a little Honda CB500X adventure bike for example; he will pass you no problem, his top speed is 115. Or, me on my stock '20 Street Glide Special. Just sayin'...
@@1Steson woooow, that’s a lot of words. Too bad I’m not readin’ ‘emmmmm
Bought a used softail standard 2020 with 100 miles on the clock for 7-8k ish less than the dealer was asking. Private sale cash, problem solved and kept my other bike instead of just giving it to the dealer.
They claim prices went down. Wrong. There are no road glides for 26k. All are over 28k. Add set up and harley fee and it's closer to 31k.
Purchased a 2024 Road Glide with black and black $25,999 plus tax.
@@Hooijnbvn where?
@@Hooijnbvn I'll take "things that never happened" for $200 Alex. Where?
@@ijaxon6675there is a Harley dealer in Bartlesville Oklahoma that sells at honest prices, it would be at that price or close to it, I have not found another dealer with more honest pricing and believe me I have been to a lot of Harley dealers
I was told there is an up charge now for Black paint! How Much?@@Hooijnbvn
No thank you, I'll stick with my 51 year old Shovelhead. Unless it's some kind of a catastrophic failure, I can pretty much tear it down on the side of the road & put it back together. I've had it for 46 years now, not to mention my 52 Pan, a custom Ironhead Sporty & a few other pre-Evo projects. I don't need some overpriced, computerized nightmare.....
I don't ride my shovel as much because I need to take highways that are 70 mph to get to any nice roads the evo does a little better with 5 speed.
@@calgreco8607By dropping a few teeth from my wheel sprocket plus the perfomance gear set that I put into it, it gave my Shovel a bit longer legs, so cruising at 75-85 at a lower RPM became easier. And my bike has been all over the U.S. and all through Canada. And it still will go the distance. Yes, I have a "5 in a 4=speed" tranny that I got years ago when I was working for CMC/Indian up in Gilroy, CA. I never did get around to swapping it out with my 4-speed though. I may use it in a project, or I might just sell it. I have all of the performance close ratio gears for it as well, but I'll probably never change out what I have now.
Any pre computer fuel injection harley is easy to keep running
@@damonpulliam6211 i’ve been riding motorcycles for almost 40 years. Doesn’t matter if it’s Harley or Japanese anythinganything pre- computer is going to be easier to keep running!
I still can't beleive they killed the Sportster class, the most iconic and best selling class Harley has ever had. No the new Nightster & Sportster aren't Sportsters, they are a spit in the face!
I would have liked to see them continue the XL line with the M8 motor. The Sportster S is just an uglier Buell.
You can thank the EPA and Euro emissions for that.
That's why it needs the M8 to replace the Evolution platform. @@CactusJack252
@@CactusJack252 Yes that is the main problem! 100%!
The muffler looks like it was ripped off a wood stove in a log cabin.
I have a 2023 roadglide special. I will keep this bike forever and the next bike I get to sit next to it won’t be a Harley. I probably will never buy another Harley and I have probably had thirty or more of them in my life, no bullshit. The problem is Harley does not care if they lose one customer or even 100. All they care about is trying to get into the kids pockets and they think electronics is the way. I think that we are going to see the added electronics and gadgets are going to kill longevity of these bikes, but hey, what do I know.
I bought a '23 RGS ( black on black ) in December and planned it as a keeper, even before finding out about the new changes for '24. I am thinking of BMW next.
I am definitely partial to the look of the older models, particularly the street/electra glide with the triple lights, that and I really like analog gauges.
Just look at Harleys sales figures for the last 10 years , the heart has died, the head just doesn't know it yet!.
your irrelevant
$26000 for a motorcycle is insane. The new Fatboy and the Breakout are amazing bikes that are $10k more than they’re worth
Are you kidding? The 2024 street glide is $45.000!
@@thelastrebelshow1627 it is not, 45 is the CVO. 26 MSRP means 30 out the door for the standard models which is still insane. I can buy a Miata.
@@fabiors10 A Miata means you'll have two more wheels, a roof and more cargo space. I still regret selling my Miata.
don't forget the $850 for freight
@@thelastrebelshow1627 only if get a cvo.
Motorcycles shouldn't cost as much as my Toyota Rav4.
I fixed the HD issue by trading mine in for a Challenger. And put money in the bank.
I bought a '24 Goldwing.....
I test rode a Pursuit and then a Road Glide Limited. The decision was super easy. I bought the Indian.
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I was just in my local H-D yesterday and they have a '23 Street Glide ST for $34,000 and some change. That's before tax/title/license. Brand new '24 Whiskey Fire with blacked out package was just over $30,000. Why would I pay $4,000 more for a leftover model? It doesn't make any sense in my mind.
You won't. HD is discounting the holdover models deeply. It's just they're not allowed to advertise it. You must walk into the dealership.
Interesting....My local Dealer is selling a 2023 SG ST Fast Johnny for 35K OTD....
@@bradlozano2571Is that a good price?
Seems expensive.
Why would you pay $30,000.00 for a bike that might cost Harley $8000.00 to manufacture it?
@@jhonnydumeny9816 It MSRP for 33K...But i am sure a guy could neg it down from 35K OTD....Very rarely does Dealers price New Bikes at OTD price...
Not a fan of the big screen computer dash when that takes a dump and it will kiss your $$$$ good buy.
The online parts catalog has them priced at $2,800.
HD makes a pretty good bike for a T-Shirt company.
I keep getting their promo emails about outstanding credit card offers
Their T-shirts are even more overpriced than their incredibly overpriced motorcycles. And I rode a Harley for nearly 20 years so don't give me the old 'don't knock them until you try them' attitude. Then after your bike is old they just refuse to work on it. Nope, don't need a "Company" like that!
Don't you mean their T-shirts are more reliable than their bikes
Even trying to push sub $20k bike is going to be tough with today’s economic climate.
Hardcore wealthy HD riders will normally not have an issue paying over $30k for a bike but now I’m sure those who did regular trade in’s for newer models has sharply declined. Throw in those who aren’t onboard with the new styling and it will only slow sales even further.
At an HD dealership back in January and the sales guy said December was atrocious for new bike sales with only a few sold.
For my first Harley, it was 2003 when the 100th Anni. models came out. Doc, the salesman at LHD suggested I look at a used bike to save money. I ended up with a 2002 RG and saved $5000 over a 2003 because everyone was trading in their bikes for the 2003 Anniversary bikes. So, there are upsides and downsides when the new models come out. If I could afford a new bike right now, I would look at the 2024 RG because I have a great credit union, so interest rates don't worry me at the dealer. The 2002 RG was financed at 23.99% at the dealer for 6 yrs. I refinanced it 2 days later at 3.99% for 5 yrs and saved $100 a month on the payments. I have some knee issues atm, but hopefully when I have recovered, the 2024 will be in the used bike market and I can get a good price on one.
One of my local dealers is discounting 23 baggers 4 to 5 thousand, and they still aren't selling. Another dealer has a lot of 23 models that they aren't discounting. They are packing the 24 models 3 thousand.
HD is offering rebates to dealers to cover the discounts. The dealer gives a little off and pockets the rest. Your job is to get it all, plus as much dealer services for free on top.
My dealer says they are offering low financing on 23’s. Also have them marked down $4000+
I just picked up a 23 CVO out the door 5k less then MSRP . The bike is awesome . Was on the fence on the new screen , but once i road it , i didnt care
Congratulations!@@thexnewyorker7284
I like the style, but I would never buy 2024 because they did away with anolog gauges. Don't like that screen at all. Electronics fail. Then no gauges.
Thanks! You pointed out Harley Davidson's corporate crash like the real estate crash...
Home builders are paying down the interest rate, for buyers to get in contract...
Harley Davidson is paying down the interest rate for buyers to buy last year's bikes😂?
Glad I got a 2023 instead of a 2024. But I liked my 2016 way better than my 23. It's almost like we are going backwards.
I have seen lots of Twin Cam in scrap yard videos of them going to the crusher. Wrecked Twin Cam are written off by the insurance company and they owner gets a check. H D owners today don't have the emotional attachment to their bikes like in the old days. I have had my Sportster for 25 years. I have had my Triumph Tr-6 with a hard tail and magneto for 40 years. They mean a lot to me. Just like my URAL side car outfit l love the bike. They are more than just transportation.
I agree but if I'm the only one out there I ❤my 14 Firefighter Shrine Streetglide and 05 Deuce . I also have a little 15 Honda . These will be my last bikes . I tried to explain about the new bikes and services. Some smart ass says the obvious about the size of the sump ,primary, tranny plugs . That's not what I was talking about . It's the electrics ,with screens that are already having issues . No doubt needing specialized equipment to fix . A massive screen that has all the information on it . Speed ,tach , gas ect ect .What happens years down the road if that goes tits up ? Or anytime, anywhere , and your riding blind 🤔😵💫. So at least I fixed the Twin Cam tensioner issue on the Deuce and put Hayden M6 primary chain tensioners in both bikes . Not only the ASTRONOMICAL $$$$ Mr H wants for the new models but thinner cheaper materials like the metal in the tanks , seats , cheap looking plastics everywhere 🤢🤮and yeah I could afford one but it ain't happening. Oh and there are CVOS that used to be exclusive around now at two a penny so that's gone now EXCEPT the prices of them .🤙😎
Look at what you get with Harley for 30 grand and look at what you get with BMW or Ducati. Yesterday's technology at tomorrow's prices.
Not crazy about all the electrics, infotainment, recalls, inflation, and just issues with new HD. Not sure what harley was thinking with pan america, sportster S and killing the dyna. Time will tell if people are going to embrace the new HD models.. But IMO they need more reliability, simplicity and more support for core customers.
You didn't cover the huge issue? They removed the oil cooler, now the oils heat has no place to go and the bike runs significantly hotter
My local HD dealership has ridiculous deals going on for new leftover 2023 baggers. They have a black standard Road Glide for 21,500 the ST’s are also steeply discounted.
My local Harley dealer quoted me $39845 on a Street Glide special. I went down the road and bought a Indian Chieftain Darkhorse. for 9 grand less and it's a better bike In my opinon. Greedy Greedy H D
Unfortunately, after Heart Transplant, I don't see myself owning a bike costing more than 5 digits anytime soon. SSI cuts your Machinist wages down to a fraction
Thinking about the 2024 RG vs the CVO version. $19K difference in MSRP. I get that you get more for your money but, would I rather buy the base model and spend $6-8K on Stage 2, bolt ons, etc.
Sorry but all that crap harley packs on and charges way to much for is not for me, give me a bone stock Indian Springfield dark horse and I will put what I want on it
2023 was the Mo-Co worst sales ever in their history
I don't understand the large fairing, giant monitor and minivan-ish cargo? It's like having a massive phone in front of your face the whole time you are trying to be free. Harley was once minimalistic and that's what drew me in.
Just got back from Daytona Bike Week. I must admit, I was absolutely stunned by the number of new 2024 Harleys I saw running around. Far more than I expected, based on the "gloom and doom" rumors. And don't even get me started on the new CVO's...they were everywhere. I would not have believed it if I hadn't seen them all riding around. How so many people can afford $45-50,000 motorcycles is beyond me.
Their monthly payments are probably close to if not more than $1k at 9%. My buddy bought a 24 street glide and his are close to 700 with some add on and minimal money down.
Financially it may make sense to get a newer model over the older models. But for me aesthetically, I prefer the older models. Especially the older model RG.
😂🤣😂 the new CVO Road Glide here in Australia 🇦🇺 is $80,000 STOCK... If you have an issue with $26k you would HATE to live in Australia & our priceline over here.... HD is pushing the younger generation away & even the everyday Aussie is being priced out of the GAME😭😭
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May all your days be Harley days
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Mate its ridiculous and the prices ppl want for 2nd hand bikes they want what the bought it for.
I just purchased a 22' RGS in Reef Blue/Vivid Black because of the 2024 models. I figured that they already have insane amount of aftermarket parts, the look of the rushmore fairing is iconic and if you get the giant screen on the 24 models, you loose the ability to have physical gauges etc etc... not to mention i just dont know what the aftermarket will do with the headlight on the 24 RG
Personal preference.
Honestly I am not fan of new looks, and digital gauges. Just not my thing.
So I rode the Street Glide and the Road Glide . Nice bikes BUT i got way too much wind from both bikes. I asked the dealer to put on different windshield on both and i rode both . That still did'nt help either . And those "winglets" that are attached to the forks ..well they didn't do shit either . The whole thing with buying one of these bikes is for the fairing to mitigate the wind , As for the windshield ..its just for looks or like a ramp for the bugs , wind , debris and everything else to hit you in the face . The inner fairing looks a bit cheap too. The ride was nice in all the modes , rain , road and sport . I'm not sure what HD was thinking with the re-design of the fairings on these bikes but for me.. I'll keep my 16 Street Glide for now.
Hoping the aftermarket windshield guys get their product to market FAST. These windshields are terrible! Way too much wind and can’t even hear the radio at full volume. My wife’s 24 SG is a wind buffeting mess and my 24 CVO RG is manageable but not good. Cmon KlockWerks☺️👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Other than that the new bikes are incredible! Thanks for your content!
I remember back in the day, if you bought a new Harley from the dealer it would take a year to receive it. The older Harleys kept their value and that was a selling point. I rather buy a older Harley and build it .
I just miss chrome. Oh, and regular old Road Kings. Good thing I bought a 2021 FLHR when I did. I went to the HD dealer yesterday just looking around and there wasn't a Road King to be found (and they have a LOT of bikes).
Y'know, some people don't go looking for the absolute best deal when they buy into Harley Davidson.. I have been riding for 41 years. I have owned every one of the big four and a Can Am Spyder. I walked into my Harley Davidson dealer last week (Southern Tier Harley Davidson in upstate New York) and bought my first Harley. It's a 2015 Street Glide with a few add-ons and 20,000 miles. Paid $17,999. Good price? Who cares? I love it!!
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I own two Harleys and have rode them 35 years and I wouldn’t buy anything in the last 5 years.
Every time I see a 2024 Harley, I'ma tell the owner, "Hey, nice Indian". 😂
You realize the road glide came out in the 80s and when Polaris came out with their challenger it was modeled after the road glide? Saying this makes you look very uneducated.
@@derekframe9218 eye is how I B. 🤪🤫
The aero issues are bullshit. Harley should have known better. HD knows people will tune the mph limiters out and release them from liability. It's the HD way we're used to of Mickey Mouseing serious issues.
All I want is a reliable motor and i still hear a lot of complaints about the M8
I've got 50k+ miles on 3 M8's since I started riding in 2021. ( 2019 RK, 2021 SGS, 2023 RGS ) I have put 20k miles two of these bikes, and had ZERO issues... EVER with these bikes.
@@eugeniustheodidactus8890 that’s encouraging seems like people either have no problems or others have had nothing but trouble. What years are yours ?
@@randysnyder3099 2019 RK, 2021 SGS, 2023 RGS The techs at my local dealership have nothing but good things to say about the M8... and I have had not ONE instance of trouble with any of my 3 Harleys. I like to keep them IN WARRANTY so I have been buying a new bike every two years, but I do ride 17k-20k miles per year here in NC. The 2019 FLHR had the notorious oil sump issue which was fixed under warranty with a breather kit. I think the bikes come standard with this kit now.
_Yes... I am aware that they shouldn't need that kit if the engines were better designed._
I started riding a few years ago when I bought that road king from a used car dealership with only 140 miles on it. In retrospect... that's the only bike I ever needed. I typically never travel more than 150 miles from home and I ride only in good weather. But I wanted to experience the other harley touring bikes. And truthfully.... for me... the SGS and RGS are more at home at 80mph on the highway in ways that the RK never was.
Not a decrease if prices go up,maybe we don’t want all the fancy stuff and the price that goes with it. Have some basic models!
The new roadglide fairing looks more like the challenger fairing than it does previous road glide fairings. I also wonder why they did not do a road glide ultra with the new tech
wtf is a "challenger" ?
Interest rate and motorcycles should not be in the same sentence. If you can’t pay cash for toys, you can’t afford it.
If you get 0% interest, you finance then take the cash you could have paid for the bike and invest it.
The catch with dealer financing is, when the offer those low or 0 rates they generally only apply to MSRP purchases. So yeah you can say "free money" but only if you don't negotiate on the price. But believe it or not, I used my bike to commute 90 minutes each day until I started working from home. Bikes aren't toys for everyone.@@robhines2235
@@robhines2235unfortunately I’ve never seen 0% interest on bikes.
@louisgiardina8918 BMW does it quite often. Just have to watch their offers. I have a 23 K1600GTL and a 23 S1000RR.
That's odd, I had a comment here and it's gone. I only noticed because I got a notice that someone replied to my comment, but the comment itself is no longer here?
Recently I got street glide 2024, few days ago had fog lights installed at the HD service and had a complementary wash…on the way back home got check engine light on….called service and now have to wait few days for service to be open. Hopefully it’s not a big problem…
You've put into words what I've been thinking since the rollout in January. It was very exciting, but it also had a whole briefcase full of "WUT?" attached.
I think there will be a bit of turmoil in the marketplace until the 23 models are off the showroom floor and the used model market balances out.
It could be very possible that, for the first time in a long time, owners of older bikes will take a hit on value.
Don't forget the DSRP(mark up), plus sales tax. Not to mention insurance costs.
Just bought a 24 Street Glide, traded in my 17 Ultra 128. They done great things with the cams and am getting 130T on the 117 with stock. Bike looks great, rides great, wants to take off and leave you standing in the street. My biggest issue is there's virtually nothing available from a performance standpoint. You can get a big air kit and add exhaust, but that is it. No stage upgrades available at all for the motor and am told not to expect any for at least a year. Outside of that, the windshield is quite low and leaves you getting blasted with air. It comes with the smoked version and the only thing Harley offers that is a little taller are clear versions. Handlebar controls are very busy. If you're wearing gloves, it's difficult to operate them because it's such a far reach for your thumb from the grip to the control. Especially on the throttle side, where when you want to change a song, trying to do that with gloves on will find you accidentally pulling the throttle open so be careful.
New tech is trash... a fully digital display is a massive weakness- it has no intrinsic value. The larger motors are not proven to be better, the bugs arent worked out, and the big price tag equals: NOPE.
Nobody needs all the electronic bs, it's a novelty, just more to break.
The screen is a no brainer for corporate who needs to cut costs. I was wondering when HD would finally get around to it.
There are several things to like about harley-davidson motorcycles, and im really liking the changes made to the 2024's. But just cant justify the prices, can't justify the prices on the past years either. so i bought a new honda goldwing, doesn't have the looks or the sound, but its a better bike everywhere else. It was also to expensive, fact is, no bike out there is worth $30,000 plus. Definitely a mistake i won't ever make again.
My Shovelhead and Honda Pan European 1100 never need a software update. Pull out the choke, and press on Start, and simple as that. They will both outlive me !
I will stick to my Honda, guaranteed to start, not leak oil, smooth shaft drive, proven on cars since the beginning of time and liquid cooled also long proven. Cool Fast smooth and cheaper than
99% of the Harleys. Not to mention the insurance is cheaper. Maybe Ill buy a Harley if I hit the Powerball, but until then, Honda keeps my knees in the breeze baby.
First cars were belt drive and / or chain!
I am really intrigued by 2024 CVO RG ST. Saw a white one today at our local H-D dealer. Of course it had a sold sign on it. Sweet bike. Problem, as you said, is the interest rates.
“Harley has a BIG problem”…..”I’m also a Harley affiliate and get kick backs…”
😂😂😂
It sure sounds like it!
...and with those kick backs, augment my gun collection for you to see. Pretty funny!
Thanks for the info. Great video . Do you know if they fixed the " No start issue " ? thanks
there's a software update thats supposed to fix it.
Very good perspective and analysis and I really like the video where you guys are riding in the park area. I couldn’t see the name on the Billboard but it looked interesting. Thank you.
I am always on the wrong side of history anyways. Bought a '23 RGS in December. I still prefer the look of the old bags and fairings.
I would never buy a new H D. Any time you break down you need to take it to a dealer after it has been towed. To complicated
I'll stick with my '12 FLHTK w/ the twin cam. All the bells and whistles I want/need, and none of the modern fluff.
The ONLY thing I'm jealous about is how the new saddle bags can be opened from the seat....
Hard Pass I do my own oil changes, that horn is right in my way, as if the oil filter was not enough of a pain in the ass and a mess, reliable!!!! When that $8,000 goes bad you are stuck with a perfect bike that can’t do anything without its precious little display.
I have owned MANY new and used bikes through the years and currently own a 2018 VMax (New) and 2019 Fat Boy 114 (Used). I can afford to buy any bike but Im not stupid. I only buy used Harleys and this one will be my last. Im sick of having to replace parts because Harley motorcycles are loaded with them. Its stupid.
A video on YT called "Crank no start" by Vtwin Revolution speaks to this issue and seemingly provides the cause and solution. He is a HD technician and explains that the 2024 models are voltage sensitive and goes into "voltage shedding" if the battery system is not full, or near full charge. Voltage shedding causes the bike to systematically shutdown different modes on the bike to conserve voltage. A cause he stated that would cause the issue is if you play around on the infotainment in aux mode or even having it sit without tender for an extended time etc. This was an issue with the Pan America as well. A solution is not to run the battery down without a charge supplying the system. He further states 2 amp tenders will not be sufficient and to purchase a 5 amp tender of your choosing. Lastly, he shows how to connect the 5 amp tender without using the pigtail so you can play around with infotainment or play music in aux mode without the crank no start after. I do not own a RG so I couldn't test what he said but maybe someone else here can and help put this worry to rest. I would be appreciative as well as someone in the market for the CVO ST but hesitant because of this.
I don't care for the new fairings. The RG looks like an Indian now. And too much tech is not always a good thing.
Well harley davidson screwed the pooch with me ill. NEVER BUY A BIKE THAT YOU HAVE TO PAY A SUBSCRIPTION FOR ALL THE FEATURES TO WORK!!!!
So… The navigation is basically just there for android users. Most people are just going to use CarPlay and get it for free. Also, it’s not a subscription. It’s a 350 dollar flash on the bike.
Question though, were you in the market for a new bike regardless?
@paulhall8027 actually I was but you may need to go look at those specs again :-( there is no support for Android on the 24s it's Apple car play only :-( plus let's just say if I don't want to use the harley radio because of the pay every year subscription the 350 is for the first 3 years what they won't say is how much after that :-( now if I change the radio head unit after market is better anyway :-) guess what now I have android support no subscription but now I have no gauges at all on the bike :-( and yes I was excited about the 24s coming out I really like that new street glide fairing but I decided a hard no on up grading
@MSgt4246 I agree the tech is getting crazy :-) I wasn't in the market to up grade my 20 streetglide I went to look into getting a stage 4 done on it but seen the 22 White sand pearl Street glide then the salesman gave me a offer I couldn't refuse :-) ended up riding home on a 22 streetglide :-) I like the looks of that new fairing on the 24 but think I would rather just keep mine mine than deal with the shenanigans Harley is pulling on these 24s sooooo now I'm trying to decide what kit tge 121 or 124 :-)
My 2024 road glide
Windy the vent needs to be bigger
Then keep open to reduce wind buffeting
Yes open
Seat and position little off
Might go back to 23 CVO. Best engine. 121
Had 131. Blew it up. In st
So that’s my thought
Would like 121 in both stock Gide and street glide
And with improved road glide fairing
do you speak the way you write? Lol
1. They did simplify their models. The base street glide was 22k in 2023 the base is now 26k. That is not lowering the price.
2. Android Auto works fine on my 21 Ultra this is HD not adding support.
Love my HD but their sales pitch this year is utter bs.
Exactly! And the CVO effectively replaced the Specials in their lineup, for over $10K more than a Special. We have been tricked, can't believe more people aren't talking about this!
To be fair to HD, think it was just in the last year that Android made Auto not work on motorcycles. Thats why they only offer Apple carplay now. Beleive the no Android Auto only affects the new road and street glides with the new all digital screens.
Thanks for the info. Appears great deals for used bikes are on the horizon, too. Me - nah, I'm not done with my Road King Classic. Ride safe!
Thanks brother. You ride safe as well!
I could rattle a long list of things nobody likes about all new bikes.
For starters, you can't get a wrench in anywhere and they aren't designed to be easily user maintainable.
If you can't take a bike entirely apart by yourself and put it back together, don't buy it. Because someday, when you fix it or restore it, you will have to do just that. I look at modern bikes wrench in hand, and I say h377 no. There is no way I can get that Vtwin cylinder out to replace the head without taking the entire engine out of the bike, which I never want to have to do.
I see those side mounted ignition key holes where all your keychain will be hanging off the side of the bike... and I'm like... no. Just no.
Road Glide 2025 with 121 motor, up side front fork & those nice brembo brakes from CVO ST..
The ideal dream bike.
You are spot on. Me too
If Harley doesn't do it for you, keep shopping around. It ain't like they are the only maker out there. And that's something H-D needs to keep in mind. I still don't have one in my stable yet. Maybe someday, but not this year.
Indian Scout Rogue is killer and $10l
The new fairings are horrible and the new infotainment center is hideous in my opinion. Im so happy I bought a 2021 Street Glide.
Nothing’s gonna change my mind. I hate it. I have a 21 and a 23. I will never get rid of them at this point.
There is such a huge markup at the dealerships, I think they’ll be okay. And people with money to blow will probably not care about cost. In a few years the rev max will be another new standard. There’s plenty of time to break in my 2020 RGS before I even care about upgrading.
My most annoying point with Harley nowadays is, you buy a new bike and 36 months later, they’re calling you every other week asking you if you are interested in selling it back to them.
I'll stick with my '16 Fatboy S. No bags, no faring, minimal electronics. All wind.
I'm holding off for more of the touring usuals. The Ultra version of the bikes. King Tourpak with speakers, lower faring, passing lamps, etc.
I’ve personally owned over 30 motorcycles over the past 40 years most of them used. I have ridden many Harleys but never owned one.
I know I’m comparing apples to oranges but I was shocked that I just paid $14,500 for my brand new 2023 Yamaha MT 10 1000 cc hyper naked. It’s just that I’m old-school and I remember when you could get a new car for $15/$17,000
So basically the motorcycles I like to ride are twice the price they used to be and cars are three times the price they used to be. A new Harley Davison is completely out of my budget and quite honestly it’s just not my thing as much as I love them. it’s just interesting (sad) to see how things have changed over the past 30 years.
I love Harley Davidson and I love riding them, but I know for a fact I will never own a brand new one unfortunately.
H-D does not do marketing opinion polls on future design, (at least I never seen one), they go by sales numbers. Opinions are like belly-buttons, everyone has one. So they watch what is selling with the competitors and anticipate what will sell with new, younger buyers. They try to keep it economically competitive knowing the new buyer will customize, buy parts and give dealers more business. An older customer on a past model bike might upgrade some things but they are not the priority. To prove this, walk into a dealership and you will be greeted promptly. The first question asked is are you looking to buy new or are you there for parts/service?
Always wanted a road glide, went to the 24' deno event that was in my area. Road a road glide, street glide, and a road glide st. My back was hurting after riding them less than 5 miles in total. Suspension is stiffer than a board. Felt ever bump, crack, dip and rock that was on the road. Talked with some harley buddies and their solution was "oh ya everyone knows the stock Suspension sucks just get some legends of ohlins". Straight baffled me that people are ok with spending $26k+ on a brand new bike just to redo stuff that should have been right when you bought it.
idk. I rode the new Low Rider S and ST. I preferred my Dyna over the new softail chassis.. To me the Dyna looks better, and it feels and sounds like a Harley. That is just my opinion though.
"New technology" means less that you can fix yourself.
No thanks.
I would buy the new CVO ST if it was $24+ or so. The fact they are double that is just nuts. My Premier Tahoe fully loaded didnt even cost that.
I'll probably stick to my 2016 Road Glide.
Used bagger’s are a dime a dozen, unfortunately that’s reflected in trade in values.
I’m having trouble finding the link to the saddlebag guard u showed in the video. Could u reply with that link please. Thank u
Here's the link Plug in your bike information and narrow down from there. Product specific links(that are available) are in the description. I will update as more come available
bit.ly/3IpWD10
I went to my Local dealer To look at a used road Glide limited
Figured I'd ride a 24 as well. The 24 is a fantastic machine. The power, Suspension, and finally some Decent bars. The clutch pull was way to hard And the windsheild was absolutely useless. I ended up buying a 2020 road glide limited Zephyr blue. Sure. For about 3k more I coukd have gotten a brand new bike. But I'd have had to add bars, exhaust, seat, windshield, king tour pack. Etc to get what I wanted
Dumped my HD and bought a 2009 Star Stratoliner S (113ci), made by Yamaha, and never looked back. 1900cc and NO vibration. Build quality of the bike far superior to HD.