Here's an idea for another video! Replace the driver seat with a motorcycle and make all the bike functions control the car. I think it would be epic to see it done. Love the content you guys put out. 👍
I live this idea. 4WD is for getting out of wherever you got yourself stuck with 2WD. Then you go somewhere else. Electric is the perfect solution. How often do you really need 4WD?
by "something similar" you mean not similar at all right bro? Torque on demand was an electronically controlled clutch inside a normal borg warner tcase that ran off wheel speed sensors. More similar to the auto 4hi found in a lot of GM and dodge trucks with the viscous clutch in the tcase. Nowhere near a starter mounted to the brakes lmao
@Defianthuman not really, in Europe at least 4x4 EVs are typically positioned as “sports” models, so they keep the same motor as the 2wd and add the same again for the other axle.
the reason that EV often have big strong motors is because a larger motor generates more electricity when you brake. (Regenerative Braking) So it is more efficient.
I actually tried using a starter motor on a go kart. The heating was too much. I attempted to cool using a water jacket around the motor and this solved the problem. The next issue was gear wear which would be much worse with the extra weight here.
You need an electric motor and a battery that can give the motors the amperage that it needs. Using a starter motor and a flywheel isn't the answer. Motors also need capacitors to start or ramp up, too!!!
@Terinjim I agree. But used starter motors and flywheels much cheaper than the alternatives. I dont think that the purpose of the video is to do it correctly tbf
Yeah, the heat is from the very high current draw at 12V. A 24V starter from a big truck or marine engine would probably run cooler for longer due to the lower current draw for the same wattage output.
I’ve heard stories of mechanics using the starter to get the car into the shop when it wouldn’t run. on standard transmission of course. is it good for it though, not really but if you only going a couple feet its ok
Good for getting stuck but keep a couple extra starters on hand when you burn them out from extended use kinda more expensive than just having awd unless you work at a junk yard
Works good but needs a fan to cool them and in hot weather would need liquid cooling and ofcource a better bearing/lubrication as there not ment for long term use, adding somthing like a cheap commet torque converter constant volocity transmission on each one would be ideal so have more top speed and acceleration
I think this kind of defeats the purpose. This is a cheap solution. It's not for mudding or doing donuts. It's to run for 10-25 seconds to help you at an icy stoplight or when you get stuck in some snow. At times like that, it's not going to overheat.
starter motors have no cooling as they are not intended to run more then a max of 10-20 seconds, using them to power a vehicle more then done in the video is a terrible idea. now generators on the other hand...
There's no way this lasted for more than a few weeks but it is super cool and a actually genius idea that perhaps should be given more thought. Of course replacing the starter motor with an appropriate electric drive train but adding it to a front wheel drive chassis in order to give it useful 4 wheel performance without the absurd costs. In theory they don't have to be strong motors or have a large battery because you can convert and charge off of the 12v system. In theory you could make a 4 wheel drive car for an added 350 to 400 us dollars.
This is actually genius 👌🏻 All the crazy experiments sure do pay off eventually. I have a similar curious mind. I wish I had a garage to run my own experiments and invent stuff like this. I grew up taking apart electronics from the trash and building things out of the components.
Man that's Fn cool! Seems like it would be difficult to mod a flywheel into a brake rotor though 🤔 you could use this setup in stop & go rushour traffic too. Just leave it in neutral and shut the engine off, then push your button for a few seconds when the car infront of you inches forward! Assuming you have a dedicated battery for the auxiliary starters of course
The starter ring gear on a manual transmission flywheel is just friction fit. You replace them by heating up the entire ring with your acetylene torch to expand it and then it just falls off. They probably cut one to the right size and reshaped it to fit around the brake rotor.
You wouldn't need to "mod" it. A basic machinist could make this on a lathe in an hour one piece. Or like stated before, pull the ring gear out and press it on the brake rotor
I've done this in old Jeeps. Disengage the starter safety switch for the clutch. If you swamp your Jeep, you can drive out of the water with the starter.
Because it's not much more expensive to just use regular brushless motor, and while your at it make it a hybrid. You could have a hand crank powered 4wd too if you wanted to.
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Yes! Finally someone that does this! The only problem is that 12v motor will suck a lot of current for a long time which leads to overheating. So putting some kind of cooling will make it last longer
This has to be the single most amazing idiea i have ever seen, ever, this is borderline "the automotive industry is going to come for you" type shit. They would probably charge 10k for this option and its like 400 bucks tops in parts
Clever idea, but probably best to roll to a stop. Could do with a transmission to refine it. Maybe concider the Mazda rotary engine range extender bolt on for a look. Mercedes trucks can have quite clever gearboxes worth looking at aswell. Costs quite a bit more but could be worth it to take the strain out. 🤔
How long does starter motors motivating the whole weight of a car in a constant, versus just turning over an engine for seconds at a time 🤷🏾♀️ And are these the bigger starter motors used in start/stop systems ? I know there not the large starter motors of trucks or busses, those have a heavy sound, and don't need to turn nearly as fast as Car starters.
I wonder if this could be used to save gas from moving from a complete stop. You get a little electric boost so you dont have to use as much gas. I cant imagine using this for driving more than a few feet though
No it wouldn't, starter motors are designed to turn over the engine with no load. Using it to aid in take off would burn it out prematurely. So in the long term you spending more money replacing starters than you would saving fuel.
Starter motors are not designed for continuous use. They overheat and they slow down and stop working and burn out. They have no cooling fins to keep them cool . They will work intermittently but continuous use will destroy them. This is a good idea for emergency use .
A starter motor is designed for just that. Where as this video shows it working it'd last for about 10 minutes before that starter motor ignited the whole car
Only thing I'm going to say is if you're going to go this route then you shouldn't use a starter motor to do it, starters aren't meant to be ran continuously for long periods of time and WILL burn out from overuse, That's why start stop vehicles have such large starters and they still wear out faster than vehicles that don't use start stop
just because it's hybrid drive doesn't mean it will save on fuel hybrid cars use regenerative breaking to charge their batteries, this modification offers no regen breaking
Hey I already commented this but I have more, you should put a little turbo diesel in it tune it for gas mileage not power, make it a hybrid that way you’ve got an electric car that no car enthusiast can hate
Uh 4wd exists ya know just pop her into 4 low and ur good to go (for anyone that doesn't know AWD means all the wheels are spinning and non selectable)(4WD means one can select what wheels are spinning kinda)
Bruh..What? Do you think if that car had awd he would`ve still did this? The whole point of the video was for a car that was only fwd. What is your comment even about? Pop a car without 4wd into 4 low? What a great idea. The same as using the drum brakes on a car with only disc brakes
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wtf sir this is ingenious wtf holy shit patent this general idea yall thats a kit
with a little refinement this is a real invention. its so simple, and you can vector all the wheels...
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Here's an idea for another video!
Replace the driver seat with a motorcycle and make all the bike functions control the car. I think it would be epic to see it done.
Love the content you guys put out. 👍
I was about to ask for this video but not with car starter motor .. A truck or bulldozer starter motor and without reduced gear.
I live this idea. 4WD is for getting out of wherever you got yourself stuck with 2WD. Then you go somewhere else. Electric is the perfect solution. How often do you really need 4WD?
That's how my car works.
I think the Rav4 does exactly this
Where I live, without 4WD and mud tires you can't get to the grocery store.
@@jm036pretty much every awd car does this
Almost every day.
Isuzu did something similar in the 90s with a separate starter on the transfer case and called it torque on demand.
Thought that was electric torque on demand clutch ?
by "something similar" you mean not similar at all right bro? Torque on demand was an electronically controlled clutch inside a normal borg warner tcase that ran off wheel speed sensors. More similar to the auto 4hi found in a lot of GM and dodge trucks with the viscous clutch in the tcase. Nowhere near a starter mounted to the brakes lmao
Starter gets overheat faster
@@jarviecollantes5493 not in cold Russia
Yet every manufacturer thinks if we want an EV with 4x4 we need 400hp. This level of assistance is perfect IMO.
More like big torque motors are used for off roaring strength but that means they will out more hp.
@Defianthuman not really, in Europe at least 4x4 EVs are typically positioned as “sports” models, so they keep the same motor as the 2wd and add the same again for the other axle.
@@JP-zd8hmEurope tends to do better with offering simple utilitarian options in america it really feels like auto makers only make psuedo luxury cars
the reason that EV often have big strong motors is because a larger motor generates more electricity when you brake. (Regenerative Braking) So it is more efficient.
also you cant always use the 400hp because the rest isnt strong enough somtimes those 400 horses are only available for a couple of seconds
Incredible. Simple and effective. Holds longevity too. Whole new meaning to "my starter is going out"
That’s actually pretty cool. Could be retrofitted to any car that needs a little extra oomph getting unstuck.
wanna see something cool?!
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@@supersst838shut up 😂
@@supersst838me id like to
After 42 years, I finally got to see how a starting motor drive gear is shaped so it can engage while spinning.
Where have you been?
Which rock you under?
@@brennan2486 Anything thats not a car ;P
That's called bendix mechanism
The pinion is shaped like every other spur gear. Sometimes they're involute too. Some have a slight ramp cut on the axial end. Nothing special.
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I actually tried using a starter motor on a go kart. The heating was too much. I attempted to cool using a water jacket around the motor and this solved the problem.
The next issue was gear wear which would be much worse with the extra weight here.
You need an electric motor and a battery that can give the motors the amperage that it needs. Using a starter motor and a flywheel isn't the answer. Motors also need capacitors to start or ramp up, too!!!
@Terinjim I agree. But used starter motors and flywheels much cheaper than the alternatives.
I dont think that the purpose of the video is to do it correctly tbf
Yeah, the heat is from the very high current draw at 12V. A 24V starter from a big truck or marine engine would probably run cooler for longer due to the lower current draw for the same wattage output.
I did a bunch of research on the same idea almost did it but realized starters are only meant to be run for 30 seconds at a time
I think the low duty cycle here would make it a bit better. Assuming they just use it to bump them out of holes.
That is actually pretty impressive that it works
I’ve heard stories of mechanics using the starter to get the car into the shop when it wouldn’t run. on standard transmission of course. is it good for it though, not really but if you only going a couple feet its ok
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Kind of like the electrified front axles being added to old heavy duty trucks
Wait what? Are there any videos on this? Sounds really cool
@@Mrman2242 And sounds like a bad idea. Electric cars have terrible range compared to gas cars. And they are just little cars.
@@Warp2090no one said anything about electric cars, op said electrified axles
@@Warp2090 please google Edison Motor Company and feel silly.
@@Mrman2242 check out Edison Motors.
This is actual a really great idea. A lot cheaper than full time AWD/4wd
Amazing work. A very rustic version of how the RAV4 e-awd functions.
Good for getting stuck but keep a couple extra starters on hand when you burn them out from extended use kinda more expensive than just having awd unless you work at a junk yard
First g54 video that has real practical use everywhere
Kinda like a budget version of my old Peugeot 3008 Diesel hybrid with the diesel drivetrain in the front and the electric drivetrain on the rear axis
Works good but needs a fan to cool them and in hot weather would need liquid cooling and ofcource a better bearing/lubrication as there not ment for long term use, adding somthing like a cheap commet torque converter constant volocity transmission on each one would be ideal so have more top speed and acceleration
I think this kind of defeats the purpose. This is a cheap solution. It's not for mudding or doing donuts. It's to run for 10-25 seconds to help you at an icy stoplight or when you get stuck in some snow. At times like that, it's not going to overheat.
@@jacobharryman822 Fan at least, just mount it to the shaft
@@DeVoNmotorsports the point is there's no cooling needed. starter motors are fine being run for 20 seconds at a time
I mean, you could always just get a starter from AutoZone with lifetime warranty and swap it out for free whenever it gets fried lmaooo
This is Garage54, not Tesla's R&D department.
Starter motors are not continuously rated, They will burn out quickly.
Most of their projects are meant for entertainment purposes just to get views and it’s cool
Series wound motors, high torque output upon start up but tapers off after a short time.
But for getting unstuck and using it for seconds, seems like the perfect usecase.
@@JonathanGarcia-fj3gg true
For a video idea it’s awesome.
You guys are an absolute blast to watch !
Feel like i been asking for this for years😂
But you guys should remove and engine and repace it with all starter motors😂
That's an electric vehicle. We have those already
Most start motors are 0.8-1.1kw for most petrol engines. Diesel are more. But even with 4 diesel automotive ones you are still only at 10kw at best.
starter motors have no cooling as they are not intended to run more then a max of 10-20 seconds, using them to power a vehicle more then done in the video is a terrible idea.
now generators on the other hand...
There's no way this lasted for more than a few weeks but it is super cool and a actually genius idea that perhaps should be given more thought. Of course replacing the starter motor with an appropriate electric drive train but adding it to a front wheel drive chassis in order to give it useful 4 wheel performance without the absurd costs. In theory they don't have to be strong motors or have a large battery because you can convert and charge off of the 12v system. In theory you could make a 4 wheel drive car for an added 350 to 400 us dollars.
This may be the smartest thing I've seen on this channel.
I come here to humble myself. This is so incredible... This shop is always epic!
I love how it worked. Those big wheels also look amazing on it. I figure you needed larger wheels to clear the starter motors
I forgot about this channel. Used to watch it all the time, the dude who dubs does a good job.
This is actually genius 👌🏻 All the crazy experiments sure do pay off eventually. I have a similar curious mind. I wish I had a garage to run my own experiments and invent stuff like this. I grew up taking apart electronics from the trash and building things out of the components.
this is actually fantastic
Man that's Fn cool! Seems like it would be difficult to mod a flywheel into a brake rotor though 🤔 you could use this setup in stop & go rushour traffic too. Just leave it in neutral and shut the engine off, then push your button for a few seconds when the car infront of you inches forward! Assuming you have a dedicated battery for the auxiliary starters of course
The starter ring gear on a manual transmission flywheel is just friction fit. You replace them by heating up the entire ring with your acetylene torch to expand it and then it just falls off. They probably cut one to the right size and reshaped it to fit around the brake rotor.
You wouldn't need to "mod" it. A basic machinist could make this on a lathe in an hour one piece. Or like stated before, pull the ring gear out and press it on the brake rotor
Clever use of spare parts. Cost effective solutions are always welcome.
That’s actually a really smart idea seeing it in practice
wtf sir this is ingenious wtf holy shit patent this general idea yall thats a kit
A company did something similar to the type r civic a while back but with actual hybrid drive motors and crazy modified wheels
I think this is a perfect idea for light duty trucks and suvs but not a heavy duty truck I’ve worked in power lines where you need 4wd all the time
These guys are so innovative. This video just came out only a few days ago too
I've done this in old Jeeps. Disengage the starter safety switch for the clutch. If you swamp your Jeep, you can drive out of the water with the starter.
This is amazing might be the first lada ever to actually run. I mean it went 30 feet but thats gotta be a new record for a lada.
It is very simple why every manufacturer not doing this
Because it's not much more expensive to just use regular brushless motor, and while your at it make it a hybrid. You could have a hand crank powered 4wd too if you wanted to.
Cause those type of motors in this video burn out crazy fast.
You always bring great material🫡🫡
lol even the interpreter has an accent 😂
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Eastern innovation, never fails to amaze.
That's cool. Here in alaska, we need 4 wheel drive trucks. When you wake up to 4 feet of snow on the roads and no plow, you still have to get to work.
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kind of ingenious really.
Motor weight 1kg 🗿
Car weight 1000 kg 💀
Those starter motors gonna be begging for mercy 🙏 😂
Looks like a nice idea, the only problem I see with it is everytime you change your brake discs you will need to weld those pinions to it again
This is just a normal ELECTRIC CAR then😂
Great for off roading. Hook it up to speed sensor
This video feels so premium 😮😮
Yes! Finally someone that does this! The only problem is that 12v motor will suck a lot of current for a long time which leads to overheating. So putting some kind of cooling will make it last longer
I’ve seen some race cars with motorcycle drivetrains do something similar, since the transmission doesn’t come with a reverse
Thats a really cool idea
This has to be the single most amazing idiea i have ever seen, ever, this is borderline "the automotive industry is going to come for you" type shit. They would probably charge 10k for this option and its like 400 bucks tops in parts
Design has more downsides than benefits so highly unlikely
That is absolutely genius
I been watching Garage 54 for years and they still never fail to surprise, because how do you think of this😂😂
Keep burning the starter solenoid 🤗
*I saw it first time when Russian video was translated into English.😅*
Garage 54 forever!!!
I'm curious the gear ratio from the electric starter motor to the fly wheel would have to be powerful to turn the all that machinery
Clever idea, but probably best to roll to a stop. Could do with a transmission to refine it. Maybe concider the Mazda rotary engine range extender bolt on for a look. Mercedes trucks can have quite clever gearboxes worth looking at aswell. Costs quite a bit more but could be worth it to take the strain out. 🤔
I have thought of doing something like this for so long!
you guys are legends.
Starter motors may not be the most reliable option but if it works it works
Great idea when in a blizzard and the liquor store is not too far away.
How many miles did it make before lost you one? With a starter designed with better bearings and cooling... Totally
How long does starter motors motivating the whole weight of a car in a constant, versus just turning over an engine for seconds at a time 🤷🏾♀️
And are these the bigger starter motors used in start/stop systems ?
I know there not the large starter motors of trucks or busses, those have a heavy sound, and don't need to turn nearly as fast as Car starters.
More starters , as many as you can .
The battery power this system requires is probably insane
Sell it , called it the rotor gear , ready to install , brilliant idea ,
Cutting the rotor down for a force fit onto the ring gear , brilliant
How do you keep the electric juice flowing? Starter motor wouldn't last long
Alternator
Wow that starter is so strong oooo
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Dude, soft baked cookies are still COOKED, they’re just cooked to the RECOMMENDED MINIMAL TIME
I wonder if this could be used to save gas from moving from a complete stop. You get a little electric boost so you dont have to use as much gas. I cant imagine using this for driving more than a few feet though
No it wouldn't, starter motors are designed to turn over the engine with no load. Using it to aid in take off would burn it out prematurely. So in the long term you spending more money replacing starters than you would saving fuel.
I’d daily drive this to work
Starter motors are not designed for continuous use. They overheat and they slow down and stop working and burn out. They have no cooling fins to keep them cool . They will work intermittently but continuous use will destroy them.
This is a good idea for emergency use .
Can we see more of this Please!!!!😍
Try to put to reverse and see if that starter pinion gear can engage or not
that's brilliant actually...
Kind of cool i guess. But many limitations, run-time, fabrication, etc. Cheaper option: front mounted winch.
You essentially made the miniature version of locomotive traction motors
Wait until you have to reverse.
Other than that I love it😂
Really good idea say you have rwd vehicle can just run them on the front when stuck somewhere
A starter motor is designed for just that. Where as this video shows it working it'd last for about 10 minutes before that starter motor ignited the whole car
Woooooooah he made a hybrid 4wd!
My miata might need this
Only thing I'm going to say is if you're going to go this route then you shouldn't use a starter motor to do it, starters aren't meant to be ran continuously for long periods of time and WILL burn out from overuse, That's why start stop vehicles have such large starters and they still wear out faster than vehicles that don't use start stop
just because it's hybrid drive doesn't mean it will save on fuel
hybrid cars use regenerative breaking to charge their batteries, this modification offers no regen breaking
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Hey I already commented this but I have more, you should put a little turbo diesel in it tune it for gas mileage not power, make it a hybrid that way you’ve got an electric car that no car enthusiast can hate
The question is, will it last? How long?
4WD is awesome, but still no replacement for proper winter tires.
Uh 4wd exists ya know just pop her into 4 low and ur good to go (for anyone that doesn't know AWD means all the wheels are spinning and non selectable)(4WD means one can select what wheels are spinning kinda)
Bruh..What? Do you think if that car had awd he would`ve still did this? The whole point of the video was for a car that was only fwd. What is your comment even about? Pop a car without 4wd into 4 low? What a great idea. The same as using the drum brakes on a car with only disc brakes
Ive always wanted to see a motor attached to crank with a push to pass button.
Problem with that is the starter motor isn't designed to be operated continuously, it will over heat. And your limited at the speed of the motor rpm.
You need a large amount of lithium batteries with the armiger's cartridges replaced for each trip 😀
Always impressive
Good ideas, i like it and must tray.. 😊❤❤
That's awesome guys!!
It looks like 3 wheel drive and doesn't show the front of car someone pulling