1Zpresso J-Max vs DF64 with SSP MP burrs. Espresso and pour over.
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
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My first grinder was Timemore C3 which I use for V60. I bought recently a Gaggia Classic Pro with Jmax. the Jmax definitely was harder to grind with, but now after several months I find it so smooth. Not because of seasoning, it is because of increased muscle strength and muscle memory.
Thank you for sharing. I recently compared C3 with Normcore V2 (ruclips.net/video/xgZoF0u_-0Y/видео.html).
As for J Max- great if you want to really dial in your shot, bas if you have tendonitis in your elbow.
Hello Jack
I have a J Max that I use every day for making my three cups of espresso and I also have Breville smart grinder Pro that I use for my V60, Chemex and French press, I like the workout😆 I really enjoy your channel I'm a new subscriber
@@Richard-Seekingwulf hi, thank you very for joining me here! You must be extremely strong by now, if you hand grind for espresso three times a day.
@@mycoffeeshow111 no I have skinny arms 😆you must have been grinding light beans because medium roast seems to grind okay
if you hold the grinder at a 45-70 degree angle, fewer beans will come in contact with the burrs and you will get a much easier grind and be able to maintain consistent speed which should produce a more uniform grind. might increase time overall only a few seconds (grinding fewer beans per second but also no starts and stops, cancels a lot of the added time out). i have a jx-pro not a j-max and also a df64 with ssp burrs. i dont daily drive with the hand grinder but sometimes i will use it for a week straight. when i have multiple beans in the house sometimes i will use one of one set and the other for the other.
Thank you very much for your tips. I have already sold it. Right now K Ultra is my favourite but recently bought Comandante C60 Barracuda which hopefully will be even better.
What is the difference in taste between df64 and jxpro ? I am contemplating purchasing df64 ~ to save time and produce better shots . Is it worth the upgrade
@@mycoffeeshow111 do you find there's a large difference between the k ultra and j max? the angle tip should work for any hand grinder you've got. i find it makes a more uniform grind so very worth it imo
@@78anant420 i love my df64 and i use it MOST days, but its not 600 bucks better imo. its worth it more for the wrist strain than the time, effort or quality of the shots. i think the DF64 with SSPs gives a lot more acidity, especially with espresso (which i like) but also i only have a cafelat robot which has trouble extracting light roasts. maybe if i had a machine with a boiler, the differences would be more positive, but i dont know yet.
@@78anant420 you should get more clarity from DF64. If that is what you are looking for then yes it is worth it. Or even better, DF83
Thanks a lot for all the good videos you produce and upload! You definitely deserve more subscribers considering the quality content you upload :)
Thank you very much for watching and your kind words!
Hello Jack.
Thanks for the great coffee show!
I have a Kinu M47 classic. It's my first grinder with conical burrs and i like this grinder. I use it everyday for 1-3 cups of espresso and sometimes i like the results.
May be one day i will by some grinder with big and flat burrs... or something else.
Thank you for watching! I have Kinu Phoenix and it is one of my favourite hand grinders. Enjoy your coffee!
Love this comparison. I used to use my jmax daily until i developed a wrist problem in march after about 3 months of 2-3 grinds daily. it still hurts sometimes. I love it though. it is super fast, its beautiful, i love how good the bearings are. I find that unless you use the brush it comes with, mine will retain almost 1g of coffee. It is terrible for retention even with RDT. i usually pull my flair pro 2 shots at around 1.3.5-1.4-5 and french press at about 2.3.0 so its interesting to see you start at 1.8.0 for espresso I think you said. I'd love to see a Jmax vs SPTK before you get rid of it haha.
Thank you. Sorry to hear about your wrist but it is not a surprise to me. Especially with light roast it can be a challenge. I had similar issues with K-Max but now is much better so I hope it will get easier with time.
As for grind settings I guess it depends on coffee and who knows how consistent those grinders are in terms of settings. I will have to check the retention next time I use it.
Hello from NY, I like your channel and watch it often. I have DF64 with MP and a Lelit Elizabeth (9 bar machine) and I am thinking about a getting a decent. I like light roast coffees. Now I like espresso not very hot, around 140 Fahrenheit. I have bought the ember cup that monitors and keeps coffee temperature constant. The ember cup works better with pour over and it is ok with espresso. Drinking temperature has such a significant impact on flavor and varies so quickly that makes the ember cup worthwhile. Although I was trying, my puck preparation wasn't very consistent and I used to get channeling frequently. I recently got the duomo WDT tool and a Happy tamper and my cups have improved considerably.
Thank you for watching. Yep, some baristas saying we shouldn’t drink espresso when is too hot if we want to experience the full spectrum of flavours.
As for Decent- it gives so much fun, especially if you like to experiment.
Happy 1st birthday Jack's coffee show from Jakarta Indonesia! :D
Thank you!!!
I've been exclusively using the J-Max for about 6 months. I can confirm it may require some force, but it heavily depends on the bean: 18g lower density beans I can grind in 15 seconds (!); higher density takes 30 seconds and I'll get stuck a few times as seen in this video. I got better at it over time because my muscles got trained :)
It's silent (big plus!), has almost no retention (bump the bottom or tap it on the side) and is super easy to clean; and all that for +/- 160 EUR. Given the fact that I'm living on my own and drink max 4 espresso's per day, I don't need an electric grinder. If however you live with family or often have espresso loving friends over, an electric grinder will be the obvious better option.
Thx for sharing your experience. It is definitely a worthy choice for someone looking for non expensive espresso grinder.
Thanks for doing this Jack (New Sub) - Just the video I needed (disappointed you didn't keep spinning the J-Max handle though!) Quite the difference in price of nearly 3 times the price for the Df64 with SSP burrs, I tend to like medium roasts have you tried the J-Max with anything other than light roasts please?
Thank you. I’m sure J-Max only gets better with time. Tbh I only used it for my videos as I am too lazy to hand grind for espresso. Most of the coffee I drink is light or light-medium and I haven’t tried it with anything proper medium.
It takes ~ 2 mins for my entire grinding workflow with the jx pro hand grinder for 8 -9 grams of coffee.
J Max can be really fast. I mostly use K Ultra now though, slower but easier to grind
👋🏻Would love to see you make your favorite shot and review it. You’ve got the best equipment so your coffee has to be next level
You’re selling me on this coffee I’ll have to order some. What’s your favorite so far? I just go to my local roaster… Would like to try ordering something quality online.
@@skyking9248 Caravan Coffee Roaster is one of the best in London. I had the best results with this particular one on La Pavoni.
Next week I will visit their place and see how they do it. I will also sample some of their coffees. Not sure if they will allow me to record any of that. If you are in London you may still be able to get a free ticket for that event, next Saturday.
@@skyking9248 grinders are more important than machines and mine are average. Not to mention my skills 😛
I use K-max everyday for 3-5 cups
You are a super hero!
Please also compare J Max with SSP HU burr.
Unfortunately I already sold my J Max. Still have C3, Normcore, Comandante and K Ultra
I use Commandante c40 with red click and I like it
How many coffees do you make per day?
I use a JMax with a Picopresso everyday and get really good tasting espresso
Well, in one of my previous videos J Max did really good ruclips.net/video/FTs7AbpZQzQ/видео.html but it is soo hard to grind on it.
Hello Jack. Thanks for the great videos. I watch a lot of them.
I currently have a J Max and a Flair Pro 2, and while I am fine using the J Max even with light roasts for pour over, I’m finding it really hard (and causing tendinitis flare ups) to use it for espresso daily.
I am trying to decide between a DF64 or a Niche Zero for both espresso and pour over, I am wondering which you recommend? I’d probably start the df64 without mods or SSP burrs though I know eventually I could upgrade.
Though I could use the J Max for pour over if it performs better for that than the electric machines, wondering your thoughts on that too.
Thank you very much for watching. I would go for DF64. If you like J Max you will enjoy DF64 as it offers nice clarity. Niche for pour overs is not the best but if you are looking for nice thick espresso it can be worth considering.
@@mycoffeeshow111 interesting. I’ve heard that about the niche and pour overs, but I also don’t want to have to fiddle too much with my grinder and I’ve heard the niche has the better workflow.
So you personally don’t like the Niche for pour overs either? Maybe I could just use my j max for pour over and niche for espresso then if I go that route.
@@Sylanthus Niche produces more fines so it can clog up the filter and your pour over will have less clarity. As for espresso it really depends on your preference. On many occasions I enjoy the taste from DF64 more. Soon I will be comparing both of them to DF83- maybe that could be an option for you?
Hello again, very nice video as always.
I only do pour over and moka at home and I only use comandante now (a friend told me it was the best for pour over) so I cannot really comment on the video but I have a question since I am still a pour over noob: I heard flat burrs give the best clarity so, if that's true, in the future should I upgrade to an electric grinder with flat burrs to make the possible best pour over? in the video you said there is not big enough difference to justify the higher price, but have you ever tried a grinder that made you go "wow" with pour over?
Hi, in short yes, flat burrs can give you more clarity but also some conical like Kinu. So far the best results I had were with Comandante and K-Max. I tried many pour overs at the coffee shops using EK43 and have to say they were much better than what I can produce.
@@mycoffeeshow111 thank you! I'll keep it in mind for the future, I'll work on developing my palate first though... I feel that good equipment is wasted when I haven't developed a proper taste
@@varieedeventualii You are right. Plus there is that law of diminishing returns.
Is the DF64 an upgrade in terms of taste from the hand grinder??
Depends. You can get awesome results with some hand grinders but I can’t see myself handgrinding daily for espresso.
Interesting Video! Whats your take on brew temperatures? 88-90 Seems rather low from conventional standards. But given your good tds and taste I am interested in your approach. Also what’s the roast level you use?
Thank you for watching. I don’t remember exactly what I used but usually is light-medium. As for temperature, most machines measures the temperature at the boiler and naturally it drops going to the group head. Decent measures it at the group head hence it often looks lower than you would expect. Sometimes I do put it up though.
Stop adding soy to your coffee and you won't struggle with hand grinding.
Not sure if I understand correctly but I try to eliminate soy from my diet as it upsets my digestion.