Comandante C40 vs K-Max vs Kinu vs J-Max | The ultimate pour over battle!
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Hi Jack, I just brewed my first pour over with K-Max. Great cup! Thanks for helping me find the right hand grinder for me.
Hi, I am glad you enjoy it! Thank you for watching.
Super excited to hear your thoughts and comparison between those grinder man
Thank you. It took forever to record that. Hopefully you will enjoy the video. I had some issues with low TDS but otherwise it should be good fun to watch.
Looking forward to the espresso face off between these grinders! :)
I have compared each of them for espresso in the past videos but maybe one day I will do an ultimate espresso battle. I also want to compare all 4 for Moka Pot.
Very interesting ! Thanks for another great video mate.
Thank you for watching!
That will be very interesting to see this epic fight... btw try to consider a Blind test only comparing the coffee brews ;(
Thank you. Yes blind taste would be the best but very difficult to proceed by myself. Different cups would have different temperature and that by itself would tell me which is which.
On another channel he puts a sticker on the bottom and a electronic rotating tray, thought that was a good idea for blind tests. Great video!
@@emil_k thank you! Yep this is good idea.
fascinating - I hope you have a great holiday!!! My Flair 58 finally arrived so I feel I am starting my journey - first few cups drinkable but not great - it isn’t as easy as it sometimes looks… am enjoying using natural processed coffee from Ancoats… nice to see you having some Atkinson’s … another great NW roaster…
Thank you. I really enjoyed that Atkinsons black honey processed. Great taste and reasonably priced.
Natural light roasted are tricky especially on the new machine but once you hit the spot you will be in heaven. Lever machine gives you that full control of the pressure that allows you to fully develop any coffee. Good luck and enjoy!
Hi Jack, thank you for taking the time and effort to do this video. Your results seem quite similar to others that I have watched or read about. As a sidenote, have you heard of a triangle test? It may be something to look into for comparing taste; however, it would take more time.
Thank you for watching! You are absolutely right. Any kind of blind tasting would be great but difficult to do by myself.
A good tool to compare grinders reducing all the variables as much as possible is a Hario Drip Assist.
Thx for the tip. I’m thinking about it. I also have Clever Dripper which could help.
Hi jack! I've been binge watching your videos as I try to make a final decision so thank you for all your effort.
I've narrowed it down to the Comandante and KMax. I'll be brewing for v60 and aeropress initially but intend to get an espresso machine eventually.
What would be your advice out of these two?
My main priority is flavour. I'm not too bothered about the difficulty in grinding or the price.
Hi, thank you for watching. Soon I will make a video using all 4 of my grinders for espresso. You should be happy with both C40 and K-Max. K-Max often gives a bit more clarity, C40 more sweetness. K-Max overall is a more modern grinder That is why I would lean towards it . For pour over often C40 has an edge but (as you have seen on this video ) not always.
I'm in the exact same situation as you, looking for a grinder to use for v60 and aeropress now, and perhaps eventually for espresso as well. I am debating between the K Max and X Pro (smaller but finer adjustment). Would the K Max 22 micron adjustment be okay for dialing in espresso?
in the same boat Comandante and KMax
Did your Kinu have the replacement pour-over burr ? If not you should do another pour-over video using the replacement pour-over burr on the Kinu.
I heard from viewers that pour over burrs don’t improve that much. They are only £40 so not a big deal but I already sold my Kinu. Right now I only have K Ultra, Timemore C3 and Comandante C60 Baracuda.
Oh no 😮 may I ask why you sold it. I have the classic and absolutely love it. Of course pour over isn’t all that great but espresso is really good. I just bought the pour over burr, sad to hear it won’t make that much of a difference. I guess I’ll see for myself in a couple days when I receive the burr. Love your videos
@@rigocastillo2893 thx for your kind words. There was a point that I had 10 hand grinders!!! I obviously didn’t use all of them and after I recorded everything I wanted to I sold most to fund my future purchases. This month I sold a lot of my collection. Currently La Pavoni and M1 Kaleido are still available on EBay. I’m also contemplating selling my MC5.
@My Coffee Show thanks a lot for the video, it would be great if you can do this comparison for esspresso with all of these grinders
Thank you! I have compared each of them (2 at the time) already but at some point I could do it again. I also want to compare all of them for Moka Pot.
So, the million dollar question, which one are you bringing on holiday? Thanks for this... good video
Thank you. I took Comandante and already is killing my forearms 😛.
@@mycoffeeshow111 enjoy the holiday and maybe after breaking in that comandante it will surpass the k-max
@@deadshrub thank you!
@@mycoffeeshow111 Hi Jack, this is a very underated comment that you're taking Commandante with you. I've been loosing my mind over the past week trying to decide between the Commandante and the K Max / Plus (for pouover exclusively). I don't have the best experience with JX and that's why I'm a bit hesitant on puling the trigger on 1zpresso again. Moreover I borrowed an MK3 from a friend and it was nigh and day compared to the JX. Only thing keeping me on the fence are the features of both K's but at the end of the day, it is the taste that matters the most to me and I already confirmed that Commandante produces cups that like. So if I gave you 3 seconds to decide, you would go for Commandante then?
@@arianhoxha6413 I usually take K Max or Comandante with me. I’m going away soon and still trying to decide. Maybe K Ultra this time. The new Comandante trial master seems like a great option for when you travel.
Timemore x lite is really missing in this test)
Yep, it would fit nicely there but I can’t buy everything. Having 4 hand grinders is already a bit crazy 😝
Do you have 32 degrees Celsius in your house? Or is that the temperature of the coffee when you measure the tds?
Hi, you on the right track. My refractometer struggles with high temperatures. There was about 32C in the room when recording and the samples were hot as well.
Have you try the pour over burr with M47?
Hi, I haven’t but few people told me there is not a significant difference between them and regular burrs. Have you tried it yourself?
@@mycoffeeshow111 no, I am planning to get myself a Kinu M47 or a Mazzer Omega for pour over. Besides the characteristic in cup, atheistic is my consideration too.
I owned a 1zpresso Z-Pro, and I like to clarity profile of this grinder. I think Z-Pro is the premium model of 1zpresso for pour over.
@@mtpastor4546 Kinu i definitely a great grinder but in the configuration that I have I would not choose it for pour over. I know I have 7 hand grinders so who am I to judge but why you need another one if you are already happy with your 1Zpresso?
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Simply, I want something feel premium to use, and this is kind of enthusiastic behaviour. LOL
@@mtpastor4546 I do understand. Maybe Weber Workshop hand grinder next?
Is it the Comandante mk3 or mk4?
Mk4
I use coffee grinder "Kingrinder K6" to make pour over. The burrs that are installed in it are identical to the burrs of the K-max coffee grinder. But K6 is characterized by less precise adjustment (60 clicks). Not the highest quality bearings are installed in it (3 pieces), but the build quality and materials are consistent with the 1zpresso brand. This coffee grinder is made in Taiwan at the same factory. I also use the K4 model for turkish and espresso.
They were the same group of people to create them. That’s why they are similar .
Thank you for sharing with us. I think I have seen that grinder on one of the channels. I assume the price is lower than K-Max?
@@mycoffeeshow111 I bought them from aliexpress. In my country there is no duty on such a purchase. All models of coffee grinders kingrinder are almost half the price of their counterparts from the 1zpresso. K2=JX, K4/К3=j-max/JE, K6=K-pro/K-max (meaning the same burrs). The build quality is the same as far as I know. The quality of burrs alignment varies between specimens within the same limits, according to my little statistics. I interviewed the owners of 1zp and kinggrinder in chats and forums for the quality of burrs alignment. We calculated how many clicks needed to be made from the moment the burrs were completely locked to the moment they rotated freely. And I came to the conclusion that both brands have the same average deviation. You may come across a poorly assembled piece from any of these brands.
@@drevil2675 I know both of these brands are made in the same place because I've seen slight differences in burrs between grinders made last year and new ones. And these differences appeared at the same time, both in j-max and in K4. In addition, these brands have the same handles, rubber bands on the body, painting quality, etc.
@@roman_sv thank you for all info!
Hi, what are your V60 settings for C40 and K-Max? The standard recommendations are C40 - 25 clicks and K-Max - 70 (number 7).
But when I did the math it doesnt add up to similar grind sizes, if C40 is 30micron/click and K-Max is 22micron/click. That means the K-Max will produce much coarser than C40 using their recommended V60 settings
I don’t think calculating this way works as the burrs are different (size and geometry) so the coffee particles will be different, even if microns are the same on average. Anyway, I don’t remember exact settings for this video but usually I am between 18-22 on C40 and 5.5-6.0 on K-Max.
Sweet, Go 1zPresso K-series!
Thank you for watching!
Hi jack. First I really love your channel and your content.
I think u grind to fine for a pour over. The bed looks very muddy it wasn’t look good. With the comandante I grind between 22-28 clicks for a pour over. Try this coffee with a courser grind and I think u enjoy it much more. 💚🤍
Thank you. You might be right but I was aiming for 45-60sec pour over time. When grinding courser it was more like 30sec and not tasting great.