Real Life Comparison | Comandante C40 vs. 1ZPRESSO JMAX vs. Breville Built-In Grinder
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1 minute, 2 minutes, who cares! It's just about the ritual. I remember that I also like to pull over some vinyl records, clean, turn on the console, put the vinyl, move needle carefully on the exact starting point, sit, relax, close my eyes, and start listening to the analog textures of the record.... So, it's just about how you enjoy life and use your time. :D I think most of the time convenience kills on how to enjoy a particular thing and the required attention to do so. Thank you Hoons for your passion, your time, and this channel!
Great video! I am currently getting ready for a major upgrade to my coffee bar. I have an old Delongi All in One. I learned a lot from your video. You are very analytical like I am.
Was looking for this exact comparison with this exact emphasize on taste ! Gratitude and respect !!
Glad you liked it!
@@HoonsCoffee I forgot to ask, do you remember a difference in body/texture ? I heard there's less of it with 1ZPresso, would be nice to confirm this..
Fun video! I just ordered my 1Zpresso JX-Pro. I was in Seoul in 2013 and was spoiled with amazing coffee every day! Aloha!
Thanks for your video. I finally got the J max but boy am having a good workout grinding the expresso roast beans!!! Certainly not as easy as you have demonstrated. Is it dependent on the beans i select? Appreciate your insight. Thank u.
If both grinders produces a particle size in a range then the sieve was a fixed point in that range. if you were to move the grind slightly finer on either of the grinder you would get more in the middle secion. If you go a lot finer both grinders would probably get all their coffee in the middle section. Doing a range of grind settings might give a better picture of the range of sizes in the grind.
Good vidéo Hoon, I was cheering for the Zpresso but now the flavor of the Commadante took me by surprise, I would like to see comparisons of those 2 grinders for pour over because that’s the only time I use hand grinder, not for espresso.
Coming soon!
It took me 45 seconds at 8 clicks to grind 18g with the comandante c40 mk4. I think the key is to keep the grinder in an upright position and try to minimize movement to prevent coffe been jumping into the grinder so it goes faster into the burrs.
Was fun watching and surprisingly it discovered some very informative issues regarding time and the differences between the two high end grinders. I think if I had the choice now, I would choose the K-Max just on the amount of time I would need at 5am in the morning, The Max gets my vote.
Great video Hoon! What grinder would you recommend for milky drinks(medium roasts) Comandante with red clix or kinu m47 or J-max only considering the flavours, ignoring grinding time etc etc..
I cant believe I spent my Sunday evening watching someone hand grinding coffee. Even worst, I really enjoy it. Is it still just a hobby or is coffee my obsession?
More like obsession Jacek.
I can’t believe this is almost a full hour. Seriously please make it shorter
@@kabysummit5801 Don't watch it
How do you know what clicks to start at when you first get the jmax ?
Good job Soon, I thinking about getting the Jmax to pair up with my La Pavoni.
Great give away mate! Thanks all steps are done 👏
I'm in Tucson too. Thinking about the 1zpresso J-Max to use with my 9Barista. I have a Knock Aerogrind and I'm often having a hard time making fine adjustments. With the 9Barista you can't choose your shot time only coffee g in and grind setting. The Comandante w/ Red Clix is 0.015mm per click and the J-Max is 0.0088mm. The finer adjustment is leaning me to the 1Zpresso.
You should come by the shop. DM me on Instagram.
How many clicks do you use for your espresso in 9Barista? I’ll get the J-MAX soon.
Thank you for your efforts in all your videos I like and trust your reviews and opinions.
I have questions about grinding coffe I have Breville BES870XL Barista Express Espresso Machine I'm always grind coffee at number 2 or 3 to get the perfect pressure at 12 o'clock for espresso whatever coffee brand I use but when I see your videos you and other people on RUclips grind at 8 or 5 and above is what I'm doing is right? Or there is something wrong with my machine
Please advice
You're doing just fine. You can always change the inner setting if you don't 2 or 3 setting. ruclips.net/video/YamwZrdk8jU/видео.html
You really need to do a BLIND taste test. The flaw here, is that even after a clean spoon and a mouth rinse, you still just "warmed up" your taste buds on cup1 for cup 2. Try them in reverse order, or go totally blind and see if the results change.
Thank you Hoon for this great video.
I'm not lucky to attend your live streams.
About comandante I think it's a practical - but not gentle - solution to use an electric screwdriver and it will be done in a few seconds 😁
Have a wonderful day!
I have a freestanding Breville/Sage grinder the same as the one in your machine and unfortunately after 2 years of use I can't set it to a good espresso - I use a manual Timemore grinder - I drink two espressos a day -21g each - Timemore 21g grinding takes 5 minutes but for good coffee so I guess it's worth buying Commandante - great comparison - can you give a link to the name of these white and black cups?
Enjoyed and subscribed 👍🏻
Great video!
Nice video, good info! And I like my C40 Mk III too, you probably have Mk IV, although I mostly use C40 for pour overs, not espresso.
Hi bb
What was the particle size on the in built grinder?
If you have so many boulders and no fines, why not change the grind setting finer?
JMax is espresso oriented. Comandante is pour over oriented. Apples to oranges. Don't expect the JMax to excell at pour over as 1Zpresso has confirmed its burrs produce more fines and this is intentional. If you want a real, useful comparison please compare against JX-pro or K series
*K series does a bit better in fact
I use the C-40 for filter coffee and average grind time is about 1 minute ++
So far so good, but I agree that using it to grind for espresso is kinda too much work so if you are dialing in your coffee.
I agree.. it’s more a filter kinda grinder
Ha, that grind time is a no go for me🙃 I bought into the Knob Grinder Kickstarter. Hopefully its more in line with JMax
Watched a few compare vids on these 2 grinders. Conclusion seems to be Comandante tastes better but takes longer to grind. If you have the time seems Commandante is the way to go. Bit like slow juicing I guess full flavour takes time. Great vid BTW. I'm going with the Comandante, the time is a meditation for me.
The particle sizes was very similar. Not sure how a different grinder with same sized grind makes a coffee different. The 2nd shot ended up with a couple more ML of extraction. So, not really an accurate comparison.
I love your videos and they're very informative. But I rarely have time to sit and watch a 30mins - 1hour video every day. It would be great if you could edit some down for regular upload
You got it!
Yes please. I must admit I gave up after about 14 minutes.
Please do edit down to 10 or less
Thank you. Or maybe edited 2 minute summary of results at the beginning.
Hi, nice video, I’m using JMax for more than 2 months, and I can say it’s really a great grinder specially for the price. And with all the accessories included.
Thanks for sharing
I'm loving my J-max too, but I have to say I wouldn't want a slower or less convenient hand grinder, so the C40 would be a non starter for me, even if some may prefer the flavour profile
I fuckin love this guy
Actually it took you 26secs for 1Zespresso on the first grind rount, not 30.
Comandante won 3.0 vs 2.9 for JMax.... in terms of grain uniformity.
One selling point for me on the comandante is that it is all stainless steel. The JMAX has an aluminum body and I am not one to embrace heating and grinding in aluminum. Correct me if I am wrong.
Please compare the flavor comandante vs df64. It’s worth to compare since the price on the same range, & df64 still hot to discuss.
comandante snd df64 are not even close. comandante blows 2k+ electric grinders out of the water.
Same price? DF64 is like 400€, C40 is 260€. Sometimes cheaper with sales, which DF64 doesn't have.
@@user-lv7ph7hs7l i’m sorry if i didn’t mention. I mean here ini southeast asia, the prices are really the same.
@@endlessocean1731 Ah ok. I do live close to Germany so I just checked you can get a C40 Mk3 for 220€, Mk4 260€+. This also makes the choice harder, JMax 200€, C40 220... I want it for espresso and filter and C40 seems to outperform in taste, despite other short comings...
Appreciate others views on this. Would a good manual grinder such as the 1zpresso outperform sage smart pro grinder for espresso?
Easily out performs the Sage, the amount of settings are vast on the J-Max..
@@raf3070 thanks
@@raf3070 arrives tomorrow
@@Gazzaroo mine arrived today, there’s so much playing around to find the right settings, choked my machine twice 😮
@@raf3070 same here! Settled on setting thats good now and tweak it a little.
How does this J-max compare to the K-Pro w.r.t. Espresso?
J max makes better espresso and easier to dial in with its smaller micron adjustments compared to k pro lance Hendricks made a good video on all the 1zpresso grinders.
I just tested my comandante at 8 clicks with medium roast espresso beans and it took 1min to grind 18g.
This changes the game, could you confirm?
@@patrickmonnier2193 I can grind 17.5 grams in about 50 seconds on the Comandante. It's not meant for espresso but if you have the time it's capable of making great espresso.
1zpresso K plus model takes me about 55sec usually for 18g lighter roast at espresso setting for me.
@@patrickmonnier2193 It took me 45 seconds at 8 clicks to grind 18g with the comandante c40 mk4. I think the key is to keep the grinder in an upright position and try to minimize movement to prevent coffe been jumping into the grinder so it goes faster into the burrs.
Thank you.
The Comandante needs a variable speed motor, that would be the best of both worlds Let’s start a Indigogo campaign. 😀
There already is something like that. I think Lance Hedrik tests it in a video. You can put your Commandante inside, no need for any mods. But not cheapnI think
I would think grind size should adjusted until fines begin to appear. Hoon, you seem to have used an arbitrary setting number for the Max. The C40 is known to be in the 7-8 range if what I've seen in other vids is correct. I really enjoyed this comparison video neverless.
you would get so many more views if you added time-stamps and also created snippets of the key parts of your videos
love c40 for pour over but too much work for espresso..
Have you tried Timemore Chestnut X ? Some said its closed to Comandante..
When in doubt, just buy the Comandante. It's virtually perfect.
The JX-PRO beats the comandante
@@manuelpenaruiz3694 The Comandante is sold out virtually everywhere. That says it all right there.
@@bluemystic7501 there's always a Porsche that kicks Lamborghini's ass, right? Comandante is an awesome grinder and I personally love what it is and what it represents. But come-on! We are grinding coffee not rocks! A JX-pro beats comandante in every aspect: adjustability, flexibility, speed, price (not gonna mess with looks as it is entirely relative and up to preference)
Lots of people (including myself) have performed blind tests, cuz the cup speaks by itself and have to say that both are awesome, in their own way. So no better or worse in such aspect but for the rest the K or J series from 1Z just perform much better
@@manuelpenaruiz3694 The 1zpresso grinders are budget espresso grinders for folks who are too cheap to buy a niche. Again, the Comandante is sold out almost everywhere (and so is the Niche). Enough said.
SUPER!!!!!!!!!!
Now i am waiting for comandante vs DF-64 vs Niche
Please do the compare. We wanna know if the comandante really unbeatable comes to flavor.
I have all three, they're totally different. if you drink mostly chocolatty espresso, get the niche. if you drink high end espresso or filter, get the comandante. df64 not worth it unless you swap burrs and align them but even then ...
How old is the comandante? Maybe the burrs are blunt?
Comandante burrs don't go blunt :). Our Nitro Blade steel is extremely wear resistant!
@@ComandanteGrinder good to know. Because mine grinds much faster than the one in the video.
@@CraigSoupen Grind speed has a lot to do with the size of the beans but also the grind setting -- smaller beans = faster, coarser grind = faster :).
Get an electric screw driver to make the 1Zpresso electric. I haven't tried it yet though 🤣🤣
Hi please kmax or kultra and why please
Both are similar with minor some minor differences.
K max and K Ultra:
90 clicks / 100 clicks
22 micron per click / 20 per click
No folded handle / folded handle
Classic body / curved body (easier to hold)
I don’t believe you can get the kmax anyone only the kultra.
Comandante all the way hoon! 👍👍
[…] don’t waste your time on this. Just use your built-in grinder.
Hoon you sound like my parents. 😂
If you watch 12:50 out of context it looks very rude 😂😂😂
You're right. Looks really bad!
😂
1Zpresso JMAX Made for espresso ?
Yeah, espresso oriented, also can work for other brew methods. Probably best for espresso, k series is best for coarser brew methods but also works for espresso well.
@@BensCoffeeRants K Series also works for espresso too ? Wow , amazing ! Thx for insightfull information 🙏
@@khansa1445 Yeah steps are a bit larger but once you know the few numbers that work it's easy to dial in. I believe it has a different flavour profile than the J series, maybe more clarity relative to that burr at least.
@@BensCoffeeRants yah, and btw K series little bit pricey for me hahahaha 😂🙏 J series maybe best value budget
@@khansa1445 Yeah for sure. I think I got a good deal on mine a while back, it wasn't as expensive before. I remember not being sure if I wanted that or the JX-pro which was only a bit cheaper.
So…they’re all good and you wasted 55 minutes and 15 seconds 🤣🤣🤣
My ears don't like built-in grinders. J-Max for me.
Great vidbut far too long
1zpresso max is the best hand grinder money can buy. Dethroned the commadante. You can dial in a better taste with the j max. Imo.
2 minutes
By the way Jmax is not a good representative for 1zpresso when it comes to espresso. You need to try K-plus or K max.
Actually you should do competitions between the different 1zpresso models as they are different and are made for different purposes
J-max is made purely for expresso.
2 much faffing about. Streamline your videos please. 2 much talking
Please note that compare grinder is a non sense if you do not have the exact same size in microns for each one. Because if you have a grinder that give 380 and the other 410 it's normal the taste will be different. The grind size have to be the exact same to compare the quality of uniformity beetween the grinders. Then the taste. The red clix have 15microns per click and you can see a difference with one click on tasting so impossible to be as precise to compare 2 different grinder because you need the size in microns of each to have exact same setting and i've seen any youtuber doing this level of technicity. Morality you CANNOT test two grinder at same level of quality like jmax vs c40 if all same parameters. Jmax have 8.8 microns per click it mean you have to install red clix on comandante to have 15microns then with jmax try to have the exact same size out.... Then you can have a shot. Otherwise you do not compare anything here.
Your conclusions are flawed. Most straight espresso drinkers (you are not one of them) will not care about the extra time involved in grinding for espresso with the Comandante, as they probably will only prepare 1 or 2 shots daily. Straight espresso drinkers only care about taste, and the Commandante delivers that in spades. The milk drinks you like can adequately be prepared with a $50 hand grinder purchased on AliExpress. There are more hand grinders in Commandante's price range than you mentioned; they are : Apollo, Orphan Espresso Lido OG, and the TimeMore Chestnut X, with their newly-designed (game changing?) burrs. BTW, if you remove the 2 washers from the burr set of your ROK grinder, it will be stepless, offering more grind adjustments than the excellent 1ZPresso JX.
Thank you for the great comment Dennis.
Just enjoy the video Dennis. It's a hobby
Hoon seems to me like someone who enjoys straight espresso considering how much of his content is him pulling and drinking straight shots.
Hoon loves his espressos most. He makes others for our benefit mostly.
I think you're right, Hoon is not typically a straight espresso drinker. And espresso lovers do only care about taste.
However, caring about the extra time involved is different, for each barista, espresso lovers, too. I Love espresso, that's my own commandante, and I still use it sparingly for espresso.
I only ever drink milk when I go out, but I wouldn't trust a $50 grinder for espresso, unless it was a cheap high-end one lmao. I think the cheapest one out there that's, espresso capable, is 1Zpresso Q2. That's $90-100, with some good burrs. Timemore Slim and C2 are also in that price range and good for espresso.