Amy Rodriguez At least Fox has competition in Melee as well. Falco, Marth, a good enough Sheik or Peach. Bayonetta only has a slight edge on some characters like cloud ir sheik or zss. Meta Knight, however? One bad matchup: Meta Knight
You know, considering how much some people talk shit about this game for being slow and floaty, this actually doesn't seem all that bad. I mean, it is *kind of* slow, but not so slow that I'd get bored watching it. Still kinda bothered by the lack of combos from characters other than Meta knight, though...
Ravenhawk Gaming Yeah, indeed. I might try picking this game up again when my Wii is fixed. It's been a while since I played that game... basically, the last time I played this game, I had no knowledge of competitive play.
ChillTerumi It has more combos than Smash 4 and much better frame data with its attacks. I've never had fun playing 4, I think the culture is just shitting on Brawl yet many people never gave it a chance. I genuinely wonder how Brawl would be now if either people shit on S4 as much as they did Brawl, or if they hadn't shit on Brawl in favor of Melee. I'm fairly certain S4 would've been tossed asside but that's from what I can do.
Allmywhat "It has more combos than Smash 4" Then explain to me how all the other Smash Con videos here so far without Meta Knight basically had no combos.
ChillTerumi idk, I have only watched this so far. But it does. The IASA frames in Brawl and the buffer frames for chaingrabs allow so much more to happen. Wolf even pulled off a few here, and he can usually do more in most matchups. It's just against MK he has the invincible SL on gettup which makes his downthrow chase a lot less scary. And M2K got the correct DI on everything.
Skeeter Mania Brawl never "DIED" like what people say.... Its ALOT less popular and no longer the "spotlight",,,,,,, since smash 4 came out. I can see the same thing happen to Smash 4 when Smash 5 comes out....
***** that's not a hype match by any measure. it's just that dude with red hair yelling his lungs out over nothing. I had no idea someone could get so "hyped" over something so mundane
presidentevil Brawl is almost objectively slower and playing aggressively will get you 100% killed in Brawl unlike in Sm4sh. Look at the timestamp in my previous comment, we never see stuff like that in Sm4sh, ever.
The Victator just that one time its slow..... I've seen very quick brawl matches b4, few times even the speed of melee and it has been rewarding to play aggressive... IMO they both are pretty much the same with exception of few characters....
I sincerely thought that Smash 4 sorta invalidated Brawl tournaments. I'm definitely not complaining, it's nice to see a little bit of everything now and then.
presidentevil I can see why Melee and Smash 4 can exist at the same time because they play so differently, but Smash 4 just feels like a better Brawl to me. At least, that's how I felt when I wrote that comment. After seeing a lot more pro Brawl matches, I can tell that there are still things that differentiate Brawl and Smash 4.
Antifrost also the common mindset is that many people dont realize people are allowed to sign up for multiple events. this event featured 1v1 and teams for all 4 games each
+lol m2k I assume he means someone is still bothering with wolf lol. Back in 2009 it was still up for discussion whether or not wolf is good. #wolfsucks
Wolf is such hidden character in ssbu in general surprised the only other game he was in was brawl. He didnt even get a character reveal nor was he apart of subspace story line.
***** why do people take it personally just because this game is included at tournaments and people still sign up? if u dont like it, u dont have 2 play it.....
***** quote from DMCA "DMCA states that it is illegal to circumvent copyright protection software, even for non-pirating uses such as backing up legally owned games."
i remember when i was a little boy playing brawl when it came out and wanting to be a legitimate competitive player with a wii remote blisters were created on fingers that day
Let's see, what's OP about Brawl MK? Up air, down air, neutral B, neutral B, best and most versatile recovery to allow for chasedowns, insane speed, great power, and so on. What isn't OP about Brawl MK? No projectile. That's it. This is why people don't like Brawl for competitive play as much as the other games. That and tripping...
Not to mention that there's berely any hit stun whatsoever so there's basically very few combos, and the combos that do work only work with super fast moves, MK is OP because he is the character with the most combos, and is like the character that combo, other characters need to rely on self spawnable items or something
L1N3R1D3R MK was aggressive and fun to watch, brawl died because of ice climbers Tripping is like a 1/100 every time you dash... That is not very often MK was beatable Did you play competitive brawl?
Hoenn101 Have you seen any official tier lists? Most people agree that Meta Knight is undeniably the best character in Brawl, scoring over a whole point higher than anyone else (whereas the normal tier gap is 0.1 to 0.2 point difference). Also, even though there's a low likelihood of tripping, it will still probably happen once or twice per set with how much dash dancing there is, and that would give a player an unneeded disadvantage.
Thomas Cranston Also, if you want the full story, he just like to play the top tiers. He don't pick the best for playing the best. For example he think melee Falco is better than melee Fox. Another one is how he couldn't found a sm4sh main before Cloud, he tryed lots of character after Dydy got nerfed.
I'm surprised they could get 8 people to play Brawl in one place for a top 8 bracket. Before I saw the SSBB tag I was wondering why no one was wavedashing.
many top level players prefer brawl over smash 4 actually because brawl is more technical they just had to move on as well cause smash 4 is where the money is at
Brawl has been mostly figured out, and the meta feels stale to me. Smash 4 is still being explored, the metagame is constantly changing, and new techniques and playstyles are being established all the time. It just feels fresher I guess.
Lewt Shogun-Shien even top level players who prefer Smash 4, they still also sign up for Brawl cuz they might as well and they dislike melee and 64....
KingGorrino "I feel offended for this being a thing and not PM." Wow ur clueless,,,,, PM isn't there because of LEGAL issues...... and besides PM was there as a "side event"...... it has nothing 2 do with "being a thing"
If it works, then spam away. Its annoying, but why stop and let your opponent get a chance? If it works, then your foe should learn different approach options. Seagull just wasn't on the same level. No real way to approach with wolf.
Seeing Meta Knight in this game again reminds me never to complain about the top tiers in other games :P
+Deus Solaris now bayonetta joins the braindead party!
anas abou
now*, and yeah they did a great balancing job in the patch
*cough* bayonetta *cough*
Im glad she isnt as bad as metaknight tho, then she would be banned
Amy Rodriguez
At least Fox has competition in Melee as well. Falco, Marth, a good enough Sheik or Peach.
Bayonetta only has a slight edge on some characters like cloud ir sheik or zss.
Meta Knight, however? One bad matchup: Meta Knight
Unless it’s bayonetta
I've never been so happy to get bodied on stream. Being able to play Wolf again was true unequivocal bliss.
gonna main wolf and drop sonic if he comes back?
+Seagull Joe Wolf is coming back as a DLC and its not from the character ballot vote!!!!!
I guess u dont need 2 sign up 4 brawl anymore.....
+presidentevil you lie
Bryan Madrid
I knew this wasn't right. Wolf got deconfirmed near the start of smash ''Wolf Flash''
@@jello788 Good news
Not gonna lie. Seeing brawl every once in a while wouldn't be bad at all
I actually lie brawl 64 was my first smash game but brawl I played when I was older so I knew more about it
JJ Diaz just replace the brawl part with project m
+Daxelfrax whats the point if they cant be played in major tourneys?
+Daxelfrax I completely agree..
FUCK ALL SPONSORSHIP FUNDINGS YEAH!!!!
+Daxelfrax
Dude we get a ton of Project M. We need more Brawl.
Nothing wrong with watching/playing Brawl once in a while.
For real tho, #FreeWolf
I appreciate this support
+Wolf O'Donnell Are we gonna have some more fun with that thing soon?
It depends on how scared people will be.
The Victator we freed him man
Wow I can't believe that Brawl's entire fanbase showed up for this set!
SuckyShinyHunter101 its not just that fanbase, even spectators show up....
Lmfao.
Brawl:
Online Audience: 71,816
Actual Audience: _please insert value_
i dont get it
I am the actual audience
M2K tweeted "Combo videod seagull lol"
lol m2k
lol m2k
lol m2k
lol m2k
lol m2k
lol m2k lol m2k
#FreeMe
#freeyou
Harry Warren But.... You... Just used one... Yourself?..... RACIST
+Wolf O'Donnell ~Spams voting for u
+Captain Falcon #HYES
+Wolf O'Donnell I am Sakurai,,,,
i will never free you wahahahaha!!!!!
I miss Wolf ;__;
Riksu _ Him getting cut was stupid.
***** yeah. Hopefully he will be DLC
***** that profile picture tho ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Riksu _ Wolf is pretty much guaranteed by this point. Don't worry about it.
***** How do you know? :o
"Wolf, I am sorry to tell you that you can't be in the next Smash game."
"Why not, Sakurai? Wassa mattah, scared?"
"N-no..."
You know, considering how much some people talk shit about this game for being slow and floaty, this actually doesn't seem all that bad. I mean, it is *kind of* slow, but not so slow that I'd get bored watching it.
Still kinda bothered by the lack of combos from characters other than Meta knight, though...
ChillTerumi Yeah. I'll still say that I like other Smash Bros games better, but I'll still have respect for Brawl.
Ravenhawk Gaming Yeah, indeed. I might try picking this game up again when my Wii is fixed. It's been a while since I played that game... basically, the last time I played this game, I had no knowledge of competitive play.
ChillTerumi It has more combos than Smash 4 and much better frame data with its attacks.
I've never had fun playing 4, I think the culture is just shitting on Brawl yet many people never gave it a chance.
I genuinely wonder how Brawl would be now if either people shit on S4 as much as they did Brawl, or if they hadn't shit on Brawl in favor of Melee. I'm fairly certain S4 would've been tossed asside but that's from what I can do.
Allmywhat "It has more combos than Smash 4"
Then explain to me how all the other Smash Con videos here so far without Meta Knight basically had no combos.
ChillTerumi idk, I have only watched this so far. But it does. The IASA frames in Brawl and the buffer frames for chaingrabs allow so much more to happen.
Wolf even pulled off a few here, and he can usually do more in most matchups. It's just against MK he has the invincible SL on gettup which makes his downthrow chase a lot less scary. And M2K got the correct DI on everything.
Wolf was one of the most fun parts of Brawl for me, please bring him back
Wolf is terrible hes a clone more so than falco. My point is we don't need Wolf we have fox and Falco.
Roy Kuchiki oof
“Wolf, a mid tier”
Oh how times change
To be honest brawl is my favorite and always will be
Meta is broken, but so much fun to watch and play. He was the most fun character in Brawl
Imagine thinking it is fun to watch a broken character play.
@@Wrench-007 it is
Agreed
@@lewissteward65spitting
m2ks metaknight is pretty dope
+Sage of Rage Not mine lol
I wouldn't mind watching Seagull's Wolf in Smash 4 if he's DLC.
Silver Smasher Is Brawl getting popular again? If so, then yay.
Skeeter Mania It's just competitively underrated.
Silver Smasher That too. ESAM's Bowser was such a hype-filled match.
Skeeter Mania I've heard! I'm watching it now! :]
Skeeter Mania Brawl never "DIED" like what people say....
Its ALOT less popular and no longer the "spotlight",,,,,,, since smash 4 came out.
I can see the same thing happen to Smash 4 when Smash 5 comes out....
BRAWL HYPE!
"Brawl" and "hype" next to each other???
gary rabin YOU DUN GOOFED
*****
are you kidding me? they got hyped off of seagull using a glitch
***** that's not a hype match by any measure. it's just that dude with red hair yelling his lungs out over nothing. I had no idea someone could get so "hyped" over something so mundane
Isaac K That match WAS hype................ IMO
hyper than many Smash 4 mathces I've seen.
I wanna see wolf in smash 4 :(
+Nathaniel Neblett you lied......
*****
liar D:
Why is Meta Knight even allowed in tournaments? They coded him to be too OP, it would be like having an artillery shell versus a pistol.
Wolf should be DLC in Smash 4
He is freed
Nope, but on the plus side, he’s in Smash Ultimate.
So good to see M2K playing well and being happy
People still play this game competitively?
I swear literally having one of metaknights moves would make any character top tier, meta knight is the perfect character
2:32 meta knight is lag less
Now looking at Brawl from this footage, it doesn't look any slower than SSB4 :|
+SerenityLook watch some ZSS matches, its faster than melee.....
+SerenityLook Lmao are you high? Watch 4:26 or literally anything in this match, it's slow as shit, far slower than Sm4sh.
+The Victator u cant say one is slower than the other comparing Brawl and Sm4sh.
it depends on how people play though.
presidentevil Brawl is almost objectively slower and playing aggressively will get you 100% killed in Brawl unlike in Sm4sh. Look at the timestamp in my previous comment, we never see stuff like that in Sm4sh, ever.
The Victator just that one time its slow.....
I've seen very quick brawl matches b4, few times even the speed of melee and it has been rewarding to play aggressive...
IMO they both are pretty much the same with exception of few characters....
I sincerely thought that Smash 4 sorta invalidated Brawl tournaments.
I'm definitely not complaining, it's nice to see a little bit of everything now and then.
+Antifrost invallidate?
presidentevil I can see why Melee and Smash 4 can exist at the same time because they play so differently, but Smash 4 just feels like a better Brawl to me.
At least, that's how I felt when I wrote that comment. After seeing a lot more pro Brawl matches, I can tell that there are still things that differentiate Brawl and Smash 4.
Antifrost when u say invalidate?
u mean most people who sign up for that game signs up for something else also?
presidentevil
I just meant that I didn't think people would still play Brawl because Smash 4 played a lot like it, but was more balanced.
Antifrost also the common mindset is that many people dont realize people are allowed to sign up for multiple events.
this event featured 1v1 and teams for all 4 games each
What is this 2009?
ARBITER WARPIG nope it is smash con
....No shit.
ARBITER WARPIG It isn't 2002 either lol
+ARBITER WARPIG why would this be 2009? lol
+lol m2k I assume he means someone is still bothering with wolf lol. Back in 2009 it was still up for discussion whether or not wolf is good. #wolfsucks
How to win at Brawl:
1. Don’t pick anyone that isn’t Meta Knight
Honestly Meta Knight requires no skill
i barely watched this vid to know how busted this match was.
METAKNIGHT IN TOURNEY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! IN CASE YOU FORGOT THIS IS BRAWL!!!!
dude.
dude.
Chill. lol
:P
I mean I wasn't around the competitive scene in this Era but I kinda miss the explosive movement of MK, it looks so cool here!
Wolf is such hidden character in ssbu in general surprised the only other game he was in was brawl. He didnt even get a character reveal nor was he apart of subspace story line.
You guys did it wrong! You're supposed to load Project M through Brawl! Not actually play it
DaFlamingLink who did it wrong?
They did have Project M side events available in Super Smash Con.....
+SmasherKO the smash community sucks b/c project m is a side event?
***** why do people take it personally just because this game is included at tournaments and people still sign up? if u dont like it, u dont have 2 play it.....
***** everything WAS available, PM had 2 be a non-profit non-prize side event, otherwise SSC would lose ALL sponsorship or get into legal trouble....
***** quote from DMCA
"DMCA states that it is illegal to circumvent copyright protection software, even for non-pirating uses such as backing up legally owned games."
Stock 1 game 1 was really smart play by Joe. Only takes 1 stock for m2k to download you in Brawl though.
Brawl has so many fans! (Kappa)
You'd be surprised mate!
I'm fan of it but it's my least favorite tho.
Brawl is a cool game but extremely uncompetitve lol
To this day, I'd never expect a brawl vs smash 4 flame war in the twitch chat....
How much percentage is needed for wolf un subspace emissary.
why won't they remove stadium from tournament stages?
SegullNoDI
That was MK foward throw DI was just disgusting.
the massive crowd that came for this event
How do they get that good picture quality recording on a CRT?
WTF man, that crowd behind them is too loud, I can hardly hear a thing.
Too be honest, this isn’t slow gameplay.
wait there was still a competitive brawl community by the time 4 was released?
About time you started playing a competitive game.
It's hilarious that Meta Knight killed Wolf with his forward throw.
And they went from that to a near 0-death combo.
Can we make meta knight faster in ssb4 ? Let's make this trending #BuffMetaKnight
let's not. #No
i remember when i was a little boy playing brawl when it came out and wanting to be a legitimate competitive player with a wii remote
blisters were created on fingers that day
Of course M2K would main brawl metaknight
LOOOL is Project M... oh wait, brawl
Now we experience the two top teirs making bayo.
game 2 was a massacre
4:20 - 4:50
The essence of Brawl.
That’s a very chill fox main cause fox mains go all out but he keeps it mellow I respect it✊🏾
Let's see, what's OP about Brawl MK? Up air, down air, neutral B, neutral B, best and most versatile recovery to allow for chasedowns, insane speed, great power, and so on.
What isn't OP about Brawl MK? No projectile. That's it.
This is why people don't like Brawl for competitive play as much as the other games. That and tripping...
Not to mention that there's berely any hit stun whatsoever so there's basically very few combos, and the combos that do work only work with super fast moves, MK is OP because he is the character with the most combos, and is like the character that combo, other characters need to rely on self spawnable items or something
L1N3R1D3R MK was aggressive and fun to watch, brawl died because of ice climbers
Tripping is like a 1/100 every time you dash... That is not very often
MK was beatable
Did you play competitive brawl?
Hoenn101 Have you seen any official tier lists? Most people agree that Meta Knight is undeniably the best character in Brawl, scoring over a whole point higher than anyone else (whereas the normal tier gap is 0.1 to 0.2 point difference).
Also, even though there's a low likelihood of tripping, it will still probably happen once or twice per set with how much dash dancing there is, and that would give a player an unneeded disadvantage.
Some characters can move faster than a dash with pivot walking
Also every game has a best character lol
Also did you play competitive brawl?
Hoenn101 Did you? Everyone who did is aware that Mk and ics killed brawl
That Audience is so hype...
Screw Jason for always choosing to main top tiers, congrats you're so skillful
Yeah, especialy Pichu. Oh wait.
Je regarde d'en haut there's that rare occasion
Thomas Cranston Also, if you want the full story, he just like to play the top tiers. He don't pick the best for playing the best. For example he think melee Falco is better than melee Fox. Another one is how he couldn't found a sm4sh main before Cloud, he tryed lots of character after Dydy got nerfed.
Rip to Wolf and "We're gonna have fun with this thing" before he uses the landmaster
Brawl is a thing on VGBootCamp again? o.o
Malek Ike I think it might've just been a thing for Smash Con, but don't quote me on that :P
TheDrunkenBooma **just notices the SSC in the title** Uhm, shoulda seen that earlier. It could very well be
Malek Ike yeah it was just for smash con, its gonna be a while before we see it again
commentators dropping sweet brawl knowledge left and right and i still cant care about this game
So why not ban metaknight?
7:10 Why this game could've been so much better if it had patches
No
yes
+Sasuke Uchiha Yes
why did they allow metaknight
+Gregory Nordstrom Because this is Brawl
+DJR Kirby all the more reason to NOT allow it.
presidentevil How we win then?
DJR Kirby thats the point 2 make the game balanced.
presidentevil *How we win then?*
Its nice to see wolf again please come back #Freewolf also cool to see my old main in his prime
At least MK doesn't have a DACUS... THAT would be terrifying.
How the tables have turned
After like every down throw m2k moves his glasses
Yo wtf make a combo vid from 4:26 to 4:45
Why did they call him black waltz tho?
I'm surprised they could get 8 people to play Brawl in one place for a top 8 bracket.
Before I saw the SSBB tag I was wondering why no one was wavedashing.
many top level players prefer brawl over smash 4 actually because brawl is more technical
they just had to move on as well cause smash 4 is where the money is at
Brawl has been mostly figured out, and the meta feels stale to me. Smash 4 is still being explored, the metagame is constantly changing, and new techniques and playstyles are being established all the time. It just feels fresher I guess.
Lewt Shogun-Shien even top level players who prefer Smash 4, they still also sign up for Brawl cuz they might as well and they dislike melee and 64....
+Travis Hopkins many amateur players can easily get thrown off from switching one game to another too...
Oh go away Meta-Knight.
I decided to click a Brawl video just for the fun of it
I left immediately after hearing the commentators refer to Wolf's Shine as a Reflector
Wait, Brawl still exists?
The Victator smash con
I remember hearing saying it apparently still is in Canada, S64 is lively over there too.
That stadium game was hilarious lol
Man, I'll watch m2k play anything.
Why is brawl being played in 2015???
+Mr_McQuackers smashcon
4 games * 2 events (1v1 and teams)=8 total events
same reason Melee and 64 are still being played.
Is this Project M?
Maestro Casts Looks like regular Brawl.
Maestro Casts no its brawk
The game being played has its logo shown in the thumbnail. If this were Project M, you would've seen the Project M logo.
Yo is Seagull wearing a Roy Koopa hat?
I completely forgot wolf was even in brawl
+Cormbage but wait theres more
who watching after smash ultimate?
Melee-Ice climbers Brawl-meta knight Sm4sh- Bayonetta (Prepatch)
IC's aren't broken.
Whats so bad about IC in Melee? I'd say Marth and Fox
Versace Bentley yeah Fox is overall powerful but I C can get a garunteed kill just by getting a grab.
...
wobbles
suck
Jaheem Hughes When I made that comment I didn't know about the wobbles. I'm kinda new to this competitive Smash thing lol. I agree with you now
MK is soooo broken in this game lol the frame data is real. Plus that up b is complete bullshit lol
It's sad to see Wolf losing like that.
I feel offended for this being a thing and not PM.
KingGorrino "I feel offended for this being a thing and not PM."
Wow ur clueless,,,,,
PM isn't there because of LEGAL issues...... and besides PM was there as a "side event"......
it has nothing 2 do with "being a thing"
+KingGorrino PM has legal issues, Brawl does not...
why would you pick wolf
A character is not bad unless you know how to play as him/her. I main G&W in Melee ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
#FreeWolf
We did
I bet Mew2King wouldn't get this far if Meta Knight was banned from this Tournament.
its so nice to see the comments be nice for once :). gg internet, gg
What year is this?
Desmond Prim 2015 BROOOOO!!!!!!!!!! it says right there....
+presidentevil I was just saying that because its brawl.
Desmond Prim of course its brawl,,,,,,, u think this game vanishes in 2015, like the world will end in 2012
Desmond Prim u can say that for Melee and Smash 64
+Desmond Prim I would only say that, if this was melee
Just got this recommended
When seagull joe is your teacher 💀🤚
and people complain about bayo in smash 4
Just look at all these opinions in the comment section
Meta knight is banned in most tournaments i was surprised to see one
+Zach Neal that is up to the TO....
So Mew2King just spams tornado? Top level plays.. Lost a lot of respect for M2K today.
* That's how you win in Brawl.
If it works, then spam away. Its annoying, but why stop and let your opponent get a chance? If it works, then your foe should learn different approach options. Seagull just wasn't on the same level. No real way to approach with wolf.
You’d think he’d have enough respect and decency to not play meta knight
What did you expect out of a game you get money for wining, Gannon dittios?
4:26 to 4:47 was fucking crazy
Funny how one of the most over rated idiots of this game is using one of the most OP characters of the game back then.
do better