TF2: 14 Spy Mistakes YOU Make

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  • Опубликовано: 13 янв 2025

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  • @TheManDude
    @TheManDude 2 месяца назад +1722

    Gotta love how the first two mistakes are playing spy in the first place.

    • @CheesyYVIO
      @CheesyYVIO 2 месяца назад +188

      Playing spy is a mistake. This is common knowledge

    • @Lionel-welldone
      @Lionel-welldone 2 месяца назад +29

      @@CheesyYVIO real

    • @akira6457
      @akira6457 2 месяца назад +55

      It is an advance form of self torture afterall

    • @eliasmg9144
      @eliasmg9144 2 месяца назад +27

      @@akira6457 a self torture so pleasant, it might as well be a sub plot for the hellraiser movies

    • @SO9892
      @SO9892 2 месяца назад +7

      Yeah when i started playing i was scared to play spy... I played demoman... It did not go well

  • @prywatne4733
    @prywatne4733 2 месяца назад +547

    I was like "oh it's all so obvious" then he started talking about always using L'etranger and it felt like a personal attack

    • @RdTrler
      @RdTrler 2 месяца назад +39

      Overusing L'etranger feeds into making Mistake Number 11 (playing too passively.)
      More cloaking means less hiding in plain sight, which means taking longer to make your plays.
      Sure, it's a good revolver for stock watches to work in larger maps, but Spy *does* have a gun (that he shouldn't always use.)

    • @meow_nyx
      @meow_nyx 2 месяца назад +2

      I personally don't agree with it, l'etranger is viable with all watches and there's only a couple good revolvers anyways so I don't see the problem with being reliant on it

    • @UncleWayne_REAL
      @UncleWayne_REAL 2 месяца назад +1

      Use it with only eternalreward and maybe cloak and dagger but stock better

  • @Lucky-P3nny
    @Lucky-P3nny 2 месяца назад +872

    Heres another 14 spy mistakes brand new players fall into. /j
    1. Playing Spy
    2. Playing Spy
    3. Playing Spy
    4. Playing Spy
    5. Playing Spy
    6. Playing Spy
    7. Playing Spy
    8. Playing Spy
    9. Playing Spy
    10. Playing Spy
    11. Playing Spy
    12. Playing Spy
    13. Playing Spy
    14. Playing Spy
    Bonus: Playing Spy

    • @Arial55555
      @Arial55555 2 месяца назад +20

      This is just a visualization of tip #1

    • @Sandwich2700
      @Sandwich2700 2 месяца назад +6

      i play spycrab

    • @AfterthymeGaming
      @AfterthymeGaming 2 месяца назад +1

      I play Scout like Spy once (Backscatter).

    • @BUCKshot_shorts
      @BUCKshot_shorts 2 месяца назад +1

      I'm pretty new and honestly I like how complex spy is I'm not saying the other classes are easy it's just that I find it very satisfying to hear that crit sound

    • @Sandwich2700
      @Sandwich2700 2 месяца назад

      @@AfterthymeGaming penis scout

  • @the-dn3zw
    @the-dn3zw 2 месяца назад +149

    1 spy - 87% winrate
    2 spies - 76% winrate
    3 spies - 24% winrate
    16 spies - 124% winrate

  • @sanzharkhairov501
    @sanzharkhairov501 2 месяца назад +397

    I love how Jonto every Video shouted that Spy has a gun, due to the gun being underused to the point he had to explain that Spy has a gun, doesn't mean he should use it every time

    • @JesterOfDestiny
      @JesterOfDestiny 2 месяца назад +5

      "Spy has a gun? I have a gun! Do NOT enter my sightlines!"

    • @LoZG1937
      @LoZG1937 13 дней назад

      *gunspy enters the chat*

  • @Slondono1222
    @Slondono1222 2 месяца назад +221

    Mistake #15.
    Not getting a good amount of sleep.
    Seriously though, getting atleast 8 hours of sleep every day will help you a LOT. Not just for spy, but for pretty much any class and any other game you play, it can improve your skill in-game and I have experienced it too.
    Another tip I would have is that if you are feeling angry or you're just burnt out, you can always take a break, do something new to clear your mind. And when you come back you will feel better.
    Try to stay positive, laugh at your own stupid mistakes and don't take the game too seriously.

    • @professionalrose6830
      @professionalrose6830 2 месяца назад +16

      Mistake #16.
      Not touching grass.

    • @johannesneumayer6041
      @johannesneumayer6041 2 месяца назад +6

      „This video is sponsored by Helix Sleep….“

    • @jzh4805
      @jzh4805 2 месяца назад

      Ain't readin alltgat

    • @Slondono1222
      @Slondono1222 2 месяца назад +17

      @@jzh4805 ooga booga, more sleep = more skill

    • @jzh4805
      @jzh4805 2 месяца назад +7

      @@Slondono1222 ew, a good advice for my mental health??? If this was on Reddit I'd downvote you and ban your comment grrrrrrrr 👿👿👿👿

  • @DoctorLudvig
    @DoctorLudvig 2 месяца назад +372

    5:00
    *”spy has unlimited disguises”
    *shows YER gameplay

    • @justyouraveragebird5996
      @justyouraveragebird5996 2 месяца назад +8

      Hallo, Doktor!

    • @HANKSANDY69420
      @HANKSANDY69420 2 месяца назад +38

      It still applies, in a different way. That is, if you have the same mentality as Kunai spies.
      *_"unlimited backs."_*

    • @spymelon32
      @spymelon32 2 месяца назад +6

      YER is the only weapon that affects disguises, so it doesnt really matter

    • @aro_ger_
      @aro_ger_ 2 месяца назад +1

      You do know that it only sucks up your Cloak and not your Disguises.

    • @Fr3nchCat
      @Fr3nchCat 2 месяца назад +3

      @@aro_ger_ it requires a full cloak meter to disguise with it

  • @Landjrin
    @Landjrin 2 месяца назад +137

    There are so many people who underestimate the potency of acting using your disguises, disguise as sniper and look down common sniper sightlines, when disguised as any class running towards the front line, turn and look around like you're spy checking, never look directly at "teammates", etc.
    Backpedaling is actually BROKEN, I've collected tons of clips where I was able to disguise as engineer/soldier on the enemy front lines, backpedal, and just slip through the whole team.
    The biggest mistake people using when using disguises is just repeatedly disguising as scout and not putting any further thought into it than "it stops the sentry from locking onto me".

    • @dr.infernous9342
      @dr.infernous9342 2 месяца назад +27

      Dude the turning around and spychecking thing is something I recently developed an intuition for and you just put it into words
      It's so broken cause you get to be aware of your surroundings and also fool people at the same time!

    • @dr.infernous9342
      @dr.infernous9342 2 месяца назад +14

      Also when the enemy is really paranoid it stops really mattering what disguise you pick just if you act in a way that draws attention, learned this on my first 10 ks as spy

    • @cloverkip
      @cloverkip 2 месяца назад +1

      disguises dont work on me because i shoot all my teammates at least 4 times when i see them

  • @bingus48
    @bingus48 2 месяца назад +360

    Don't listen to this guy, your whole team should be nothing but spies (except maybe the occasional sniper)

    • @rbryanold
      @rbryanold 2 месяца назад +22

      literally half of the friendly 2fort servers

    • @tf2isagoodgame282
      @tf2isagoodgame282 2 месяца назад +21

      The heavy medic vaccinator combo when 12 spies uncloak with the enforcer:

    • @Halberds8122
      @Halberds8122 2 месяца назад +5

      TF2 is a meme game, do Spy Gaming

    • @lechampi5324
      @lechampi5324 2 месяца назад +7

      Ze french revolution strategy

    • @TheIndoraptor
      @TheIndoraptor 2 месяца назад

      Okay, Pyro main

  • @sensibledog09
    @sensibledog09 2 месяца назад +97

    Just wanted to mention how this series greatly affect my spy gameplay
    He went from one of my most hated classes to play to being my second main class to play
    Thanks a lot for making these 👍

    • @ДаниилАверьянов-е5т
      @ДаниилАверьянов-е5т 2 месяца назад +1

      Who is your first main class?

    • @sensibledog09
      @sensibledog09 2 месяца назад +2

      ​@@ДаниилАверьянов-е5т
      Engineer and the reason why I like both of them are simple
      Sentries shoot for you
      Backstabs are melee
      If you can't tell, I can't hit my shots for the life of me

    • @ДаниилАверьянов-е5т
      @ДаниилАверьянов-е5т 2 месяца назад +1

      @@sensibledog09 sounds like you would like Demoknight then, other melee (sub)class that can just fly

  • @v-14415
    @v-14415 2 месяца назад +93

    10:47 Heavy Space Program Guy

    • @imaybestupid2045
      @imaybestupid2045 2 месяца назад +12

      "You are going down you SPUTNIK!!"

    • @ihappydawnz
      @ihappydawnz 2 месяца назад +4

      i literally gaped at that ragdoll fly

    • @jungle003
      @jungle003 2 месяца назад +6

      Wait ...
      THE HEAVY IS DEAD!

    • @averagetexn
      @averagetexn 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@ihappydawnz You meant gasped....right?

    • @ihappydawnz
      @ihappydawnz 2 месяца назад +1

      @@averagetexn it can mean "stare with one's mouth open wide in amazement or wonder"

  • @DrippyPootis
    @DrippyPootis 2 месяца назад +9

    I have played spy a little bit, and my biggest piece of advice is; 'Don't Look At The Enemy', for instance if you are playing medic and the heavy you started healing is staring at you like you broke Sasha, something is wrong.

  • @Pudding404
    @Pudding404 2 месяца назад +82

    "14: Not learning from mistakes."
    Instructions very clear, now picking better spy. (Sniper)

    • @candlestone5397
      @candlestone5397 2 месяца назад +3

      nah thats clearly the other character with a backstab mechanic. The Loud Spy! Also known as Scout.

  • @Mugenman88
    @Mugenman88 2 месяца назад +13

    As a quick little extension of 6, pay attention to what your disguise is doing. If someone sees a sniper sitting in the back line with their kukri for no good reason out they are going to spy check. If a medic is running at them with a melee out you're going to get spy checked. if a scout is on the front line but they have their bat out for no good reason- etc etc. Make sure your disguise is on the right weapon for the right situation (you can change your disguise's weapon by having the wanted slot out then pressing B by default). It's something that I pay attention to a lot and it helps to blend in massively. Great video!

  • @Omeyrolx_OhMayRolks
    @Omeyrolx_OhMayRolks 2 месяца назад +53

    8:17 Yeah, imagine saying something similar, like "ATM Machine" or "chai tea", that'd be ridiculous XD

    • @beesechurgertf2
      @beesechurgertf2 2 месяца назад +5

      Spider-Man reference!?!!

    • @cohen7353
      @cohen7353 2 месяца назад +2

      smh my head why do people keep doing these??

  • @Riff.Wraith
    @Riff.Wraith 2 месяца назад +6

    6:56
    It's true that decloaking right behind an experienced player who's locked in is a death sentence,
    but in casual mm you can often get away with doing so anyway.
    It's really something that you should invest a few lives into learning which players on the enemy team are actually paying attention.
    edit: I totally agree however that 2 spies is optimal if your team is going to have spies at all. The whiplash of experiencing the extreme confidence boost of "I just killed the spy" and then dying to a different spy is possibly the only thing in TF2 that inflicts more psychic damage than dying to a random crit.

    • @berserk.7070
      @berserk.7070 Месяц назад

      I've found that decloaking right behind them while they are focused on getting to the frontlines and there's a lot of stuff going on that they are paying attention at, is even more effective than decloaking further away and then trying to get players in some instances

  • @anothernormalperson069
    @anothernormalperson069 2 месяца назад +8

    Just wanted to say that i first find out about your spy psychology video when i was about 100~ ish hours on tf2
    Now I have 1,100 hours, i'm a spy main using stock, still don't know how to pull out trickstabs, but somehow always manage to get on the top of the scoreboard and most of the time have an even if not positive k:d ratio. All that by the power of acting, thinking, and adapting that your videos teached me!
    Thank you and good luck for the other spies out there!

  • @PopplioDoesPokemon
    @PopplioDoesPokemon 2 месяца назад +44

    wow, two videos in two weeks? impressive.

    • @Jontohil2
      @Jontohil2  2 месяца назад +28

      more than 2 likes… impressive…

    • @CheesyYVIO
      @CheesyYVIO 2 месяца назад +6

      @@Jontohil2 Hah, get your reply liked

    • @epicgamer3d68
      @epicgamer3d68 2 месяца назад +1

      @@CheesyYVIOhah get your reply to a reply liked

  • @DeltaMix96
    @DeltaMix96 2 месяца назад +13

    about the knife raise animation, when I was still new to the game I would wait for the knife raise animation to tell me when a stab would happen, and it did help at first, I would personally suggest using the raising animation at the very beginning to get used to the kill area

  • @JustSven-st6lg
    @JustSven-st6lg 2 месяца назад +35

    I think the biggest mistake I see are cloak and dagger spies not understanding that “infinite invisibility” does in no way equal “infinite invincibility” as they sit in a corner in a small room, and wonder how the rocket happy soldier found them

    • @Lord-of-The-Crabs
      @Lord-of-The-Crabs Месяц назад +2

      This is why people should stand against walls, not corners, I’ve been saved many many times because I stand against a wall and watch the corner be the only place spychecked

    • @agent3689
      @agent3689 19 дней назад +2

      ​@Lord-of-The-Crabs I think Lazy Purple also showcased this phenomenon, where he stood somewhere hugging a wall, and proceeded to watch the enemy player shoot everywhere *but* where he is.

  • @Zenith-TheMachine
    @Zenith-TheMachine 2 месяца назад +4

    Mistake 14 is applicable for EVERY class of every skill level, but it’s especially more prevalent for classes that are generally deemed as “harder” to play, like spy, medic , or demo.
    Also the unbinding your tab key thing is a great idea, but it’s also a good tool to check if there’s cheaters abusing an exploit with ping

  • @mudskie4394
    @mudskie4394 2 месяца назад +6

    Number 3 helped me gain alot of confidence on just tapping when I feel its a backstab, and boi it gave me a good chainstab with a spycicle as I was just going back to my team after getting the gargoyle at behind enemy lines

  • @GoldDragon20
    @GoldDragon20 2 месяца назад +7

    12:11 you hit it!

  • @luna_fm
    @luna_fm 2 месяца назад +5

    perfect moment to uncloak is when you know nobody is behind you and you time your decloak with someone shooting their weapon. Weapon firing sounds mask portions of the decloak sound quite well.

  • @heroiccarp
    @heroiccarp 2 месяца назад +57

    This makes a cool refresher vid

  • @Vo1d_tyrant
    @Vo1d_tyrant 2 месяца назад +26

    My issue with spy is i always think im obvious and just gonna be found out in milliseconds so i always stress out and get caught

    • @tf2isagoodgame282
      @tf2isagoodgame282 2 месяца назад +9

      Gaben himself has a little button on his desk labelled "increase sensitivity by 80%" that only works on my client and he presses it when he senses that im behind someone trust

    • @thatguyphaze
      @thatguyphaze 27 дней назад

      I Plat scout ;-;

  • @JohnDoe-px6nl
    @JohnDoe-px6nl 2 месяца назад +3

    2:55 To add on to Tip #3, The Prinny Machete is a stock knife reskin that quite notably *lacks* the knife-raising animation for backstabs! If waiting for the animation is a mental block you can't get past (like me), then consider trying it out sometime :)

  • @MrMigzQueOLD
    @MrMigzQueOLD 2 месяца назад +11

    I wanna add to this by saying don't always use the YER. I always use the YER, so when I swich off of it, I always think that I can get away with a stab and just stay there. Of course, I know when it's too chaotic for them to hear it and when they know I'm a spy, but I now cannot use any other knife. I'm too used to getting away with stuff, but not in the way of how the kunai dead ringer gets away with stuff.

    • @spooky_moron
      @spooky_moron 2 месяца назад

      I've been using the yer a lot for my Halloween contracts lately and I can already tell going back to stock knife is gonna be hell

  • @jed0bread528
    @jed0bread528 2 месяца назад +6

    4:54 Your Eternal Reward users: Sweating Profusely**

  • @the7569
    @the7569 15 дней назад +1

    I love stacking 12 spies on a public team, then I tell everyone to immediately all switch to heavy after death. This meme oddly works

  • @nathandwiwidyanto8773
    @nathandwiwidyanto8773 2 месяца назад +7

    As a spy main who died a lot, this video is helping me for playing spy. But Unfortunealy, My mind cannot Fit that knowledge because My Brain Storage is already full

    • @agustron2479
      @agustron2479 Месяц назад

      Dude take amnestics to clean space

  • @MoarCheeseBirb
    @MoarCheeseBirb 2 месяца назад +3

    Enemy lines is really important. Distracted players are easy marks. Lots of distractions on the front line. When going far behind enemy lines, your options go way down. Decloak sounds become audible, your disguises will be spychecked as they have nothing else to do, respawn wallhacks are super easy to spot you.

  • @adrieleb1-gi2sh
    @adrieleb1-gi2sh 2 месяца назад +30

    I didn't expect you to make a video this early

    • @Jontohil2
      @Jontohil2  2 месяца назад +25

      I didn’t expect me to make a video this quickly either

    • @YourYoungGDYter
      @YourYoungGDYter 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Jontohil2it’s 10:00 lol

    • @ye23-eeee
      @ye23-eeee 2 месяца назад

      ​@@Jontohil2 this comment is a bot

    • @adrieleb1-gi2sh
      @adrieleb1-gi2sh 2 месяца назад

      @@ye23-eeee nuh uh lol

  • @connorbyers2415
    @connorbyers2415 2 месяца назад +4

    As a spy main I do not believe that most people who stack spy are f2ps only. Quite frankly, many spy mains stack spy or people who aren't spy mains that have one thousand hours or more do often stack spy. From 2015 to 2024, I've noticed a trend in the TF2 community where people have grown more selfish. People do not care to even commit a minor but noteworthy sacrifice to fill in the roles of empty shoes on the team. People like to stack classes. You're on 5cp, 3 scouts, two snipers, two spies, 2 medics, 2 engies, one power class. People do not care about team composition, they do not care that they screw over their teammates, or even shooting themselves in the foot. For some reason, a steamroll is fun, even though both matches may have lasted 2 minutes at most. If you decide to play medic, yet your team is stacking classes, you can't do much when your team only cares about one person on their team, themselves.
    You can go medic and can't do anything because your team has nothing but light classes with limitations that soldier, Demoman, and somewhat heavy don't have as much as the squishier classes. The TF2 community has adopted this mob mentality mindset of "do whatever you want; it's casual." I cannot deny that stupidity can be fun, but this mindset has become so common that a good match suffers more than it usually would. People do their own things in a TEAM BASED SHOOTER, where the entire team will suffer with a speedy round.
    Fast rounds are not fun and bring more frustration and discourse between the players playing the game. Working as a team, just like in any physical sport where you actually feel that your match has merit, brings more unity and sportsmanship between people even if they may never see each other again. This allows the following random people you encounter to have this attitude because the community's positivity grows and blossoms like a flower, which makes the match-ups more exciting and keeps people engaged. There are matches where losing feels good and they're usually matches that have a good fight for several minutes with both team putting heart into it.
    The TF2 community has created this wildfire fire where only YOUR FUN AND ONLY YOUR FUN matters, even though your fun doesn't last long. Yet somehow, these people still find a steamroll to be fun. If anyone criticizes their team, that person is the bad guy even though the selfish idiot being, the 3rd or 4th spy, scout, sniper, medic, engineer, and sometimes Pyros is the saint we all should strive to be. If someone gets angry where the anger may be justified because quite a few people on a TEAM want to focus on themselves only instead of filling in for that needed medic, soldier, demoman, engineer, or heavy, get pissed because they're being told to switch their classes.
    I cannot express how many times in the last couple of weeks I have seen such a shitty team composition. Even Uncletopia has the issue, I joined, and for the previous two points on a payload match, my team had 3 spies. We lost within 3-4 minutes, with everyone dying left and right. Then when we were attacking, the same strategy was being used, 3 freaking spies. 4 minutes into the match, with a minute and some seconds left, they switched, and we pushed the cart into the first point. After that, the insane people switch back to 3 spies, 3-4 minutes in; after having 5 minutes and 25 secs, they finally switch back to other classes, and we get the point.
    As Jonto said, that is definition of insanity. I cannot comprehend that 3 attempts from my team to stack 3 spies would work, especially after seeing that when 1 or 2, if not all 3, switched, we captured the point. Maybe this had nothing to do with selfishness; instead had to deal with stupidity. Idk. But I voiced my opinion in team chat and I pissed off some players even though nothing in what I wrote was rude, I didn't cuss them out, I didn't use my mic. What I'm suggesting is that I think it was just the tf2 mentality of, "I'll play what I want, even if my team suffers, even if I suffer." People like to throw this mentality around that "it's just casual." It is a very abused analogy that harms the community, a person even at heart; it turns someone into a person who can't handle suggestions or constructive criticism. It makes them selfish. This type of thinking is cancerous and hurts the game and the community, it breeds toxic anger and hatred etc.
    If I get any comments from anyone, they will pull up the usual excuse; it's just a game. I say to that, say that all you want. Plenty of people leave certain games because of the toxicity of the people playing the game; it breeds terrible psychological health for the victims and perps of online harassment. At the end of the day, you are still playing with other human beings even though you don't see them face to face; every interaction irl and online affects people. Interactions have effects, whether good or bad, wherever they are.

  • @cellulanus
    @cellulanus 2 месяца назад +3

    I was playing soldier, heard a decloak sound, did a 180 and instantly deleted a spy right behind me, who then accused me of hacking.
    And that's how I learned to not decloak behind people. By playing a class other then spy.

  • @NoobySwooby
    @NoobySwooby 2 месяца назад +62

    i got my first ever 5 chainstab yesterday

    • @ArrowPandaFode
      @ArrowPandaFode 2 месяца назад +5

      good job!!

    • @Darksteelmangle
      @Darksteelmangle 2 месяца назад +3

      Nice job.

    • @shiny1556
      @shiny1556 2 месяца назад +3

      Big

    • @CloudytheCartoonist
      @CloudytheCartoonist 2 месяца назад +2

      I got my first 3 chainstab today (I gave 3 hours into the game and someone gave me your eternal reward)

    • @Timo-d2g
      @Timo-d2g 2 месяца назад +2

      Nice :)

  • @piotr2147
    @piotr2147 2 месяца назад +2

    I remember seeing a video once that was like "l'etranger is bad spy's weapon, just learn where the ammo packs are on the maps" and then most maps in TF2 casual have horrible placement of ammo/ammo size

  • @carloswithapc
    @carloswithapc 2 месяца назад +27

    As a professional spy main said “Spy Has A Gun”

  • @Lord-of-The-Crabs
    @Lord-of-The-Crabs Месяц назад +2

    If you’re using the cloak and dagger in a “getaway”, DONT SIT IN THE FIRST CORNER YOU SEE!
    Think about it like this: the first spot you come up with is probably going to be the first spot they check. I’ve saved my ass many times by hiding against a wall and not in a corner, then watching the corner be spychecked but not the wall.

  • @elitely6748
    @elitely6748 2 месяца назад +1

    And another great video once again. Another thing that could help is switching up your loadout occasionally to find what you really like, or add some variety.

  • @monothephantom
    @monothephantom 2 месяца назад +2

    I'm not a spy main or whatever, but probably one of my best spy moments was when I was approaching the payload cart from the enemy spawn direction disguised as a heavy and the sniper toward the back of the cart turned and started blasting to spy check, and in that moment I kept moving forward and just said went for the "thanks" voiceline. I was half dead but I guess I passed the vibe check because he went back to focusing on the cart leaving me to slowly approach. I killed everyone that was pushing the cart by being so stupid no one thought I would do something so dumb.

    • @RdTrler
      @RdTrler 2 месяца назад

      @@monothephantom The voice commands are incredibly powerful because of the gestures that come with them. People tend not to shoot while using a voice command, so it's a great cop-out.
      Add to your current weapons that cost time to use (mini guns, melee, etc.) and you can get away with not left-clicking.

  • @alasdairsinclair916
    @alasdairsinclair916 2 месяца назад +4

    6:32
    He got an assist in his own kill lmao

  • @popoy1015
    @popoy1015 2 месяца назад +1

    Im training to be spy again for the next seasonlander next year and your videos have helped me alot! Thank you so much!

  • @agustincarrasco381
    @agustincarrasco381 2 месяца назад +5

    11:39 VASS REFERENCE??!

  • @Knee6811
    @Knee6811 2 месяца назад +11

    how dare you ping me at 3 am in the morning. i hope both sides of your spy pillow are warm.

  • @PurpPlup
    @PurpPlup 2 месяца назад +16

    Top 14 mistakes YOU make
    1) Forgetting SPY HAS A GUN
    2) Willingly avoiding using spy’s primary weapon
    3) Using the sapper more than the primary
    4) Forcing trick stand when you have a ranged weapon
    5) Failing to recognize gun spy is a mindset you can switch to temporarily
    6) Forgetting you are playing a shooter
    7) Not firing a Pyro’s when you are outside the danger zone
    8) Ignoring the +100 aura gained from using a cool ass revolver
    9) Only using the L’Étranger as utility
    10) Ignoring you can gain ranged crits for doing your job.
    11) Ignore you can gain not so ranged crits whilst putting in more effort
    12) Reading this comment when you can be using your revolver
    13) Overusing the same joke when you can actually put it into effect
    14) Equipping the Enforcer

    • @victorborges2278
      @victorborges2278 2 месяца назад

      15)sap and shoot buildings for destroy fast
      16)using the ambassador just for play as a sniper
      17)also again SPY HAS A GUN
      18) don't u dare to use red-tape recorder srly

    • @lazyvector
      @lazyvector 2 месяца назад

      Enforcer is basically stock with meaningless upside and negligible downside, why not equipping it

  • @Iambluespygaming
    @Iambluespygaming 2 месяца назад +2

    "Do you know the definition of insanity.."
    -F2P spy

  • @MagikalKrabical
    @MagikalKrabical 2 месяца назад +1

    7:36
    *This magical bullet can truly hit anyone, just like you say.*

  • @b____oobies
    @b____oobies 2 месяца назад

    To quote a lazy magenta man, "Who's gonna learn more? The guy who gets his head blown off and starts taking notes or the one making up excuses to mend their ego?"

  • @Randomdude-z3c
    @Randomdude-z3c 2 месяца назад +1

    Honestly being a pyro main and watching your videos daily make me feel the pain of learning spy. (I actually originally wanted to be a spy main but I changed to pyro after discovering combo pyro)

  • @DaemonShadey
    @DaemonShadey 2 месяца назад +1

    7:36 "magic bullet" PROJECT MOON MENTIONED

  • @TheDoomsdayzoner
    @TheDoomsdayzoner 2 месяца назад +1

    I am old as heck when it comes to spy - 10 years of experience.
    And yet I still make some of these mistakes, especially the scoreboard one.
    So yah, tbanks for the vid.

  • @daggergaming3943
    @daggergaming3943 2 месяца назад

    Jonto at 2:34 - explaining crucial info about why you shouldn't wait for the knife to raise
    Me: I'm sorry - FIVE PEOPLE IN ONE CHAIN??!

  • @PunishingBird_LCorp
    @PunishingBird_LCorp 2 месяца назад +1

    I mean, for #14, "luck" sometimes is probably more valid of an excuse. Considering:
    *those rare high moments*

  • @Heby2149
    @Heby2149 2 месяца назад +8

    Spy round here

    • @cpucat
      @cpucat 2 месяца назад +1

      🫵

    • @memesmemes3143
      @memesmemes3143 2 месяца назад +1

      protect the intel

    • @Heby2149
      @Heby2149 2 месяца назад

      ​@@cpucat
      Nope
      ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⣛⡉⢹⢛⣛⢻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⣫⡆⠀⣿⣷⣬⣼⡿⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⡘⢿⣾⡿⠿⠿⠛⢃⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣌⠫⠶⠿⠟⣋⣼⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡏⠉⠏⠩⣭⣭⠉⠘⠉⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠠⠤⠴⢯⣭⢤⠤⢄⢰⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠋⠀⠀⠶⠬⢼⣸⣇⢠⠬⠼⠌⠀⠀⢹⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⠙⠛⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠠⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⠏⠀⢀⣮⣅⣛⠻⠇⠿⢛⣃⣩⣴⠃⠀⠈⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣧⡀⠀⠘⢿⣿⠿⠟⠻⠟⣛⠻⢿⠿⠀⠀⣼⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⢀⠀⠀⠲⠈⣭⣭⢩⣭⡴⠐⠀⠀⡌⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⠇⣾⣷⣦⣀⠀⠀⠈⠀⠀⠀⣠⣴⣿⣿⡸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⡏⣼⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣶⣤⣀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⢹⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿

  • @xdarin_
    @xdarin_ 2 месяца назад

    The footage often featuring a comically shaky camera makes me feel better about my own shaky hands when playing Spy.

  • @FuelWasd
    @FuelWasd 2 месяца назад +3

    POV: YOU MAIN THE Y.E.R HEARING- *9 always using the L'Etanger.*
    Not saying you cant use the Y.E.R without the L'Etanger. I just find it inconvinent using the Y.E.R without it.

    • @00coolman1
      @00coolman1 2 месяца назад +2

      Ive used the YER for around 2.5k hours. Maybe 100 hours of that was using the letranger. I find running either stock or amby is a good fallback on the off chance you wiff a stab and butterknife as you can just shoot them and slip away

  • @HANKSANDY69420
    @HANKSANDY69420 2 месяца назад +8

    9:50 | I never even look at my K/D, because that's just not a habit built into me when I started playing. The first time I became aware of the K/D counter is when a snobby enemy player in another game insulted my K/D randomly. I always looked at K/Ds with rolled eyes, seeing them as dumb and not worth caring about. It is things like these that make me surprised to hear how common a habit it is with other players.

    • @derpynoob740
      @derpynoob740 2 месяца назад +1

      I've never really cared about my k/d for the same reason (and also because I'm REALLY bad at the game 😂)

    • @HANKSANDY69420
      @HANKSANDY69420 2 месяца назад

      @@derpynoob740 *Yeah, why care when it isn't even close?*

  • @thebanditman5663
    @thebanditman5663 2 месяца назад

    Playing all revolver spy while blasting “Victory is ours,” from Waterloo is something every spy player must do at some point.

  • @Skulls-for-Cats
    @Skulls-for-Cats Месяц назад

    This was all very useful, and I found some moments genuinely funny on account of the fact that I play Spy in such a way that it often leaves enemies dumbfounded, specially when they notice me using The Enforcer because they assume I don't know what I am doing.

  • @darkdestroyer6462
    @darkdestroyer6462 2 месяца назад

    I use notes to see how i died each match, i chalk up my death to a player name and my actions, i look at my K:D to see how many deaths j got and how many kills, kills being my success, i mainly look at my deaths, not really caring about the fail or win status of things, i then put it on a board i have nearby, and connect how i died tk how i died another time and i also take pics of the death type, explosion, backstabbed, burning, OOB, (oob stands for out of bounds.) ect.

  • @TerryTheCalicoCat
    @TerryTheCalicoCat 2 месяца назад +2

    The best one I can act as Spy is Sniper. And guess what I main... Sniper.

  • @jacobmorse6649
    @jacobmorse6649 2 месяца назад +1

    I may show up for the the Spyfacts but I definitely stay for Mario and Luigi music, 2:08 Fawful’s theme goes hard for spy

  • @sixwisecorban5613
    @sixwisecorban5613 2 месяца назад +2

    11:40 that is not the definition of insanity!
    That is how Albert Einstein defined insanity!
    He only said this because other people in mathematics kept trying the same equations and expecting different results.
    I’m tired of hearing a theoretical physicist’s definition for something in the domain of psychology past around as gospel.

  • @The_redcoats
    @The_redcoats 2 месяца назад +21

    0:21 is he joking or fr?

    • @Jontohil2
      @Jontohil2  2 месяца назад +9

      fr

    • @The_redcoats
      @The_redcoats 2 месяца назад +7

      @@Jontohil2I don’t plan to live that long :(

    • @TheJackslatts
      @TheJackslatts 2 месяца назад +4

      @@The_redcoatsit’s just one year not even

    • @Bellbeing
      @Bellbeing 2 месяца назад +2

      ​@@The_redcoats brother, that is only two months away

  • @twatery_grave
    @twatery_grave 2 месяца назад +1

    6:09 i love how he's shaking right here

  • @yeet6462
    @yeet6462 2 месяца назад

    Slightly weird video to bring it up in, but I had a thought for balancing the Diamond Back and thought I’d share: keep the damage nerf, and the storing crits as is; but add a 20% nerf to reload speed, and make crit shots consume 3 ammo upon firing.
    I think this would remove the annoying bits of it like killing heavies if you have enough stabs and making it a direct upgrade from stock as long as you’ve stabbed at least one person, while still keeping the weighty-ness of the original design and the storing crits mechanic that’s fun to play with.
    Just want some thoughts from anyone really.

  • @The_overdrunken_one-
    @The_overdrunken_one- 2 месяца назад +3

    8:55 *megalovania starts playing*

    • @yeet3169
      @yeet3169 2 месяца назад

      8:56
      Sans: say no less

  • @zac9181
    @zac9181 2 месяца назад +1

    9:50
    Dude I almost quit TF2 because of this. I still suck, but I don't get angry anymore now that I unbinded tab. Thank you.

  • @Deiragazziedunavideocamera
    @Deiragazziedunavideocamera 2 месяца назад +1

    I'm a pyro main and surprisingly spy is my 4th most played class with 9 hours. I started to play him to see how it works, And even tho I don't enjoy to much that kind of gameplay, I really like spy. And play other classes helps you improve. Once I was able to fool a pyro (probably a newbie) but I pretended to be a sniper and it worked. Oh. One thing. I think that the best way to kill a pyro is by sneaking behind him. Since (on me) disguise don't work. Rarely I get fooled by A disguise. But still spy is a good class, and I enjoy playing with a spy on my team :)

  • @aiex3832
    @aiex3832 2 месяца назад

    Every time I die from a spy check and go to get mad, I always remember when I play soldier or pyro and remember all the spies I’ve found by shooting behind me

  • @CH-wn4le
    @CH-wn4le 2 месяца назад

    100K SUBSCRIBERS LET'S GO JONTO! :D Been here for a few years, and I'll be here for a few more. I love this channel, and I'm glad you're getting the recognition you deserve :)

  • @Magmabot16
    @Magmabot16 2 месяца назад +1

    I love that the first rule is that spies follow Sith logic, there can only ever be two

  • @skelemongrab4493
    @skelemongrab4493 2 месяца назад

    One thing I would suggest as well is to disguise as your teammates and be a part of the crowd with them in order to reach the frontlines.
    This prevents you from wasting cloak before you need it, and avoids immediate recognition that you are a Spy. (If the enemy sees a Spy, they see a Spy. If they see an out of position teammate, they see a Spy. If they see an enemy of another class, they will probably see that other class first.)
    This can also serve as an opportunity to deter enemy Spies, as you could disguise as a high-value target such as Medic or Sniper to bait them out or a class such as Pyro to make them think twice before making a play.

  • @mix3k818
    @mix3k818 2 месяца назад +1

    Now I really wonder what the Spy Psychology finale will be

  • @MichMood72
    @MichMood72 2 месяца назад

    The other day I was on 2fort, only 70 hours on spy, there was 2 engineer’s worth of buildings, sapped em all, (it was by the straight stairs, the engineer had gone down them) then I managed to cornerstab him when he came up, getting the whole nest killed, that’s my first trickstab that was actually not just luck
    10:49 it made it look like heavy flew away and got so small he turned into the hat

  • @davidcaceres9184
    @davidcaceres9184 2 месяца назад +1

    Mistake 14 is what Tony Stark avoids
    Because Tony Stark learns from his mistakes

  • @callingcthulhu407
    @callingcthulhu407 2 месяца назад

    Speaking as a pyro main, don't forget that while Spy has a gun, *so does the Pyro*. What they have can greatly affect their threat depending on distance. Shotgun means they're still deadly at midrange, and having a flare/detonator means they can light you up from afar. Spy doesn't have much health, so even a few seconds of being on fire can make a difference. I've taken down more than one overconfident gunspy from afar after I nail them with two detonator shots and just vamoose while they die to afterburn.

  • @ME0WMERE
    @ME0WMERE 2 месяца назад +1

    8:27 why is this a bad thing though? The l'etranger isn't intrinsically harmful and there is never a time where you _have_ to use stock. Sure, sometimes the extra damage may be helpful, but there isn't a situation where the l'etranger is unviable and stock isn't - meaning, if you want, you can just use the l'etranger 100% of the time and do pretty well. It may be slightly less fun to have less variety, but that's subjective.

    • @oy_oy_
      @oy_oy_ 26 дней назад

      What I was thinking

  • @Comaxwolf
    @Comaxwolf 2 месяца назад

    11:51 some tricks I use are recording demos, and after every death asking the other team what gave me away, and how did they realize it. Some people won't tell you and be jerks, but a good portion will

  • @TheOneAndOnlyOrb
    @TheOneAndOnlyOrb 2 месяца назад

    These videos sound so useful and cool. And then you go into the game, and all you see is chaos, where the only advice you can get, is: pray

  • @purple_demoman-mann
    @purple_demoman-mann 2 месяца назад

    CONGRATS ON 100K!
    your spy series made spy my 3rd most used class!

  • @TheProfProfessor
    @TheProfProfessor 2 месяца назад

    #15 Accepting that sometimes you’ll just die because the pyro around the corner heard your spy yell “yippee kayay” as loud as he could when killing an engineer

  • @BlackmagikTF2
    @BlackmagikTF2 2 месяца назад +1

    This is a certified Spy main approved video

  • @JeanneFeisont
    @JeanneFeisont 2 месяца назад

    As a Spy main since early 2008, my biggest tip is to practice using tbe Dead Ringer and being hyper aggressive. Even if you don’t like the Dead Ringer or people dog you for it, it will absolutely force you into many, MANY situations where you need to learn to act normal in a disguise and also to trickstab your opponents and find optimal escape routes when your Dead Ringer pops.

  • @Unfunnyguy2763
    @Unfunnyguy2763 2 месяца назад +1

    Tbh, you're the only spy main i respect

  • @blacklight683
    @blacklight683 2 месяца назад +1

    8:14 D: how dare you am literally unsuspecting right now (/j)

  • @mykolas8575
    @mykolas8575 2 месяца назад

    for 3, ALWAYS keep your viewmodels visible so you can tell when youre invis/holding that dead clock so you dont mess uip

  • @Michael-f9f4d
    @Michael-f9f4d 2 месяца назад

    Old habits die hard so it is so hard to drop that W+M1 mentality for spy

  • @MINICUBANT
    @MINICUBANT 2 месяца назад

    4:07 5) Basically why i don't like Dead Ringer , you need to use disguise before cloak.
    6:56 7) At first I though it was an obvious mistake in my early spy gaming. Then i realized how many times i die of spy because i'm listening to music instead of the game. Then i tried to decloak behind people. My conclusion is that TF2 players love to listen to music.
    9:04 11) I will not take my meds
    10:27 13) I can hear all the Ambassador Kunai Dead Ringer Spy screaming as Spy_sf12_falling01.wav
    Also , if mistakes 1(0:28) and 8 (7:27) are being made at the same time , they become a strat instead of mistakes.

  • @dwight3555
    @dwight3555 2 месяца назад

    Pretty funny to see the "decloack makes noise" tip when so many clips are of you doing exactly at but being lucky the enemies are extremely bad or play with sound off.

  • @myss1102
    @myss1102 Месяц назад

    my video stopped to buffer right after you said "stacking spy" and for a second i thought its ment to be a pre-scream prep joke kinda thing lol

  • @glorytoarstotzka330
    @glorytoarstotzka330 2 месяца назад

    10:30 "mistake 13: expecting the same trick to always work sometime" *the clip shows a trick indeed working*
    my explanation is that jonto just never makes mistakes, or at least never does the same trick twice so there was literally no clip to show that

  • @FireCool2K
    @FireCool2K 2 месяца назад +1

    bro yesterday i was crying bro.. i literally was pointing at someones back, and i clicked, it didnt backstab and i died.. IT HAPPENED 5 TIMES

  • @Spykitty358
    @Spykitty358 2 месяца назад

    As a masochist Spy main with years worth of experience. I still enjoy watching these kinds of videos despite already knowing these mistakes. Plus Jontohil videos are great. Although lately i have found myself falling in the L'etranger syndrome of getting mentally stuck on that cloak bonus. Instead i use either Stock or Ambassador to practice my headshots. A good lesson to consider when playing Spy is to always expect BS games. You can't go into a game and expect to wipe the floor with the enemy team. Another thing to consider is the behaviour of the enemy. Finding the weak links compared to the strong ones. Which players are adapting and which are not. Keeping track of this can help you out sometimes but it won't always apply to other games. So just because you keep dominating one player or get away with the same stuff, doesn't mean it will work against someone else. Spy is a class that relies heavily on Chaos to be able to do his job. A majority of my bad Spy games boils down to my team not quite being as distracting as i need them to be. A team that's dominating has an easier time looking out for Spies then a team that's struggling with a deep push.
    The only time i would stack more then 2 Spies is only when the enemy team isn't doing anything about Spies (again back to the weak link thing but it's the entire team) or secondly for the French Revolution.

  • @MIKE-xl2tt
    @MIKE-xl2tt 2 месяца назад

    Ty for helping us, the newer Spy Mains, to understand the Problems we make, while playing Spy. I watch your Videos a Lot, to be a better Spy. Im Not a perfekt Spy, YET, but i became better. Ty for showing us how to Play Spy more effektiv. Have a good day Mate.

  • @kamillatocha
    @kamillatocha 2 месяца назад +2

    7:50 the gun is good ... see if u get that reference

  • @Duckthief229
    @Duckthief229 2 месяца назад +1

    10:50 WHY DID HE FLY SO FAR

  • @MettyOL-yu9ux
    @MettyOL-yu9ux 2 месяца назад

    Ok nah, he is actually the best explainer i ever seen or heard. Like, he literaly said everything

  • @mix3k818
    @mix3k818 2 месяца назад +1

    Will the Red Tape Recorder video come out in December as a Smissmas gift?