I think I have thoughts similar to Carl - is it reasonable to suggest that a powered skimmer to help with leaves and algae and a powered pool robot or pump and filter system as Carl suggested would not prove helpful for this family’s situation? It seems that these pools work well if the maintenance is done properly (as all pools do), but in a situation of lapse in maintenance as this pool seems to have experienced it makes sense to me that some technology (despite it not theoretically being needed) may be helpful to bring this pool back to a healthy and still natural state. Interested to know your thoughts. Thanks as always for sharing!
Hi Anthony, thank you for your opinion. - Let me share some thought on this with you: For us, there are three possible causes for this situation. Through some incident, an immense amount of nutrients have entered the water. - This could have happened when the flower bed was created at the edge of the swimmteich 2 years ago. But we have also seen that the pond edge band is not very stable in some places. This could cause surface water to get into the swimmteich, and with it nutrients. The third theory is that surface water gets into the swimmteich from the steps that had been constructed. In any case it's all about diminishing the amount of nutrients in the water and find the spot where they get into the system. The whole system is designed to function without support except maintenance. - So, the adding of technical units would probably lead to the need of more technical units. If continuous care in the form of skimming plus the yearly suction of debris plus regular addition of effective microorganisms do not show the expected effect after a certain period of time, then one should look for the "fault in the system": Where do the nutrients get into the water? - Where is the weak point? That's our thoughts on this....... But we totally agree that it can be helpful to install a powered skimmer to help with leaves and particles floating on the surface if one does not have the time or pleasure to skim by hand. All the best, Ines
@@teichswimmer6746 That makes perfect sense! Thanks for sharing the additional information. Great video and I hope to see a follow up sometime in the future when they are able to bring it back to clarity! :) Best of luck to them in finding the root cause and addressing it so they can enjoy the pool again!
The lack of technical units might be ok if no wind or trees near by. If not manual labor is required which people do not want to do or is expensive. In cases where nutrients will get into the pool it would seem worth while having a limited technical unit to remove surface litter and litter that falls to the bottom. In this system can the gravel be on the bottom of the pond rather than on the sides? Thanks
We do not want to convince anyone that this is the best or the only system you can build a natural swimming pool. It is one possibility out of a few. And the system respectively its "inventor" and its users are proud not to need anything like technical units or small filters or whatsoever. We do not WANT to add anything...... Moreover, It is a system that builds on natural water conditions and natural water circulation. Anything you add will "disturb" that system ........ and is therefore counterproductive. No, gravel on the bottom is not recommendable because with gravel on the bottom you cannot do the yearly cleaning and rinsing...... Best regards, Ines von Teichswimmer
Thanks a lot for your interest and advice. Unfortunately, we would not recommend to install any kind of fish because the system of this kind of natural pool without technical or chemical support and without plants (= swimmteich) is based to nutrient-poor water. And fish would cause a lot of nutirents because of their organic waste.....Any kind of organic stuff contains nutrients. And algae feed on nutrients........
Natural Pools like this are never inviting to swim in , and most owners would eventually not use it for this reason which is a great shame, the fact the pool previously worked for 2 years is a very good sign.. showing the bio spher took some time to break down....but obviously the bad bacteria and natural debri//pool location etc is causing some bad imbalance into the ecology of the system. waiting 2 years to fix is not an option for me or a good one.for long term pool health ....A possible "simple solution" is some form of external additional mechanical filtration including a skimmer or intake bay to collect all the surface debris , fully automated especially if the owner has little time or desires to clean it etc .and possibly adding some new fresh roof rainwater, I would do this in conjunction with a deep pool clean , removal of all string algae BEFORE starting up the additional mechanical filtration system which would then help to re-balance the rejuvenated pool and aid in.... keeping it balanced with minimal maintenance. A heart sometimes needs a electronic aid in the form of a devise to HELP regulate it and keep the body, blood and oxygen in good balance, this pool to me looks like it needs it. A simple relatively cheap pond pump connected to a homemade large waste bin filled with pea gravel / and some shower sponges may be a way of proving the concept for this particular pool issue, before a more "fixed automated mechanical system is added on ". Only my opinion as interested viewer.
Hello and thanks for your advice. The issue of the video is that 99% of swimmteichs = natural pools without technical or chemical support and without plants, work well WITHOUT any technical or chemical support. We are trying to find out the reason why this swimmteich is having problems resp. find the reason and a solution. Best regards, Ines von Teichswimmer
I really don't see how a plant-free organic pool would be possible in a country like South Africa. Maybe if it was inside, but an algae bloom like this will happen within weeks without plants.
Dear Martin, I understand your concerns. This is what everybody thought here in Austria - 16 years ago, before the first swimmteich = Teichdoctor-Teich = tech-free natural swimming pool without plants has been built! The system is based on keeping the nutrient content in the water as low as possible and constantly reducing it. Like that the algae have nothing to feed on..... Best regards, Ines von Teichswimmer
@@MartinMenge Dear Martin, if you start your experiment, pls let us be part of it! Tell us all about it, so we can share your results with the community! Best, Ines
@teichswimmer6746 I know this system is not supposed to involve technology, but if the owner is unwilling to remove the leaves regularly there will always be too many nutrients for algae to feed on and the beneficial bacteria won't keep up.
I wouldn't expect much out of a pool that doesn't have water or aeration to keep the water moving and filtering
Thanks for your comment - but it does work! There exist about 500 swimmteichs that prove that!
Hi Teichschwimmers,
I would love to see more content on your click-closure systems. they sure do improve life as a whole!
Greetings from Kentucky
Hi Mike, what do you mean - our click-closure system? - You mean the cleaning equipment? Pls advise! Best, Ines
I think I have thoughts similar to Carl - is it reasonable to suggest that a powered skimmer to help with leaves and algae and a powered pool robot or pump and filter system as Carl suggested would not prove helpful for this family’s situation? It seems that these pools work well if the maintenance is done properly (as all pools do), but in a situation of lapse in maintenance as this pool seems to have experienced it makes sense to me that some technology (despite it not theoretically being needed) may be helpful to bring this pool back to a healthy and still natural state. Interested to know your thoughts. Thanks as always for sharing!
Hi Anthony,
thank you for your opinion. - Let me share some thought on this with you:
For us, there are three possible causes for this situation.
Through some incident, an immense amount of nutrients have entered the water. - This could have happened when the flower bed was created at the edge of the swimmteich 2 years ago.
But we have also seen that the pond edge band is not very stable in some places. This could cause surface water to get into the swimmteich, and with it nutrients.
The third theory is that surface water gets into the swimmteich from the steps that had been constructed.
In any case it's all about diminishing the amount of nutrients in the water and find the spot where they get into the system.
The whole system is designed to function without support except maintenance. - So, the adding of technical units would probably lead to the need of more technical units.
If continuous care in the form of skimming plus the yearly suction of debris plus regular addition of effective microorganisms do not show the expected effect after a certain period of time, then one should look for the "fault in the system": Where do the nutrients get into the water? - Where is the weak point?
That's our thoughts on this.......
But we totally agree that it can be helpful to install a powered skimmer to help with leaves and particles floating on the surface if one does not have the time or pleasure to skim by hand.
All the best, Ines
@@teichswimmer6746 That makes perfect sense! Thanks for sharing the additional information. Great video and I hope to see a follow up sometime in the future when they are able to bring it back to clarity! :) Best of luck to them in finding the root cause and addressing it so they can enjoy the pool again!
@@anthonycopper327 Thanks, Anthony, we will have an up-date in the future! Best, Ines
The lack of technical units might be ok if no wind or trees near by. If not manual labor is required which people do not want to do or is expensive. In cases where nutrients will get into the pool it would seem worth while having a limited technical unit to remove surface litter and litter that falls to the bottom.
In this system can the gravel be on the bottom of the pond rather than on the sides? Thanks
We do not want to convince anyone that this is the best or the only system you can build a natural swimming pool. It is one possibility out of a few. And the system respectively its "inventor" and its users are proud not to need anything like technical units or small filters or whatsoever. We do not WANT to add anything......
Moreover, It is a system that builds on natural water conditions and natural water circulation. Anything you add will "disturb" that system ........ and is therefore counterproductive.
No, gravel on the bottom is not recommendable because with gravel on the bottom you cannot do the yearly cleaning and rinsing......
Best regards, Ines von Teichswimmer
@@teichswimmer6746 Cheers thanks for the reply.
Some fish species eat this algae, such as silver carp.
Thanks a lot for your interest and advice. Unfortunately, we would not recommend to install any kind of fish because the system of this kind of natural pool without technical or chemical support and without plants (= swimmteich) is based to nutrient-poor water. And fish would cause a lot of nutirents because of their organic waste.....Any kind of organic stuff contains nutrients. And algae feed on nutrients........
Hi👋... is the ebook in the link in English?
Yes, it is! 😊
@@christianmuller4383 Thank you :)
you are very welcome!
Natural Pools like this are never inviting to swim in , and most owners would eventually not use it for this reason which is a great shame, the fact the pool previously worked for 2 years is a very good sign.. showing the bio spher took some time to break down....but obviously the bad bacteria and natural debri//pool location etc is causing some bad imbalance into the ecology of the system. waiting 2 years to fix is not an option for me or a good one.for long term pool health ....A possible "simple solution" is some form of external additional mechanical filtration including a skimmer or intake bay to collect all the surface debris , fully automated especially if the owner has little time or desires to clean it etc .and possibly adding some new fresh roof rainwater, I would do this in conjunction with a deep pool clean , removal of all string algae BEFORE starting up the additional mechanical filtration system which would then help to re-balance the rejuvenated pool and aid in.... keeping it balanced with minimal maintenance.
A heart sometimes needs a electronic aid in the form of a devise to HELP regulate it and keep the body, blood and oxygen in good balance, this pool to me looks like it needs it. A simple relatively cheap pond pump connected to a homemade large waste bin filled with pea gravel / and some shower sponges may be a way of proving the concept for this particular pool issue, before a more "fixed automated mechanical system is added on ".
Only my opinion as interested viewer.
Thanks for Sharing your opinion with us!
If the cause of the excess nutrients getting into the pool is not addressed, it will continue to happen.
I think the issue with this pool is not having mechanical or biologic filtration like most do, would make a huge difference.
Hello and thanks for your advice. The issue of the video is that 99% of swimmteichs = natural pools without technical or chemical support and without plants, work well WITHOUT any technical or chemical support. We are trying to find out the reason why this swimmteich is having problems resp. find the reason and a solution.
Best regards, Ines von Teichswimmer
I really don't see how a plant-free organic pool would be possible in a country like South Africa. Maybe if it was inside, but an algae bloom like this will happen within weeks without plants.
Dear Martin,
I understand your concerns. This is what everybody thought here in Austria - 16 years ago, before the first swimmteich = Teichdoctor-Teich = tech-free natural swimming pool without plants has been built!
The system is based on keeping the nutrient content in the water as low as possible and constantly reducing it. Like that the algae have nothing to feed on.....
Best regards, Ines von Teichswimmer
@@teichswimmer6746 I will have to do an experiment, I suspect I know what the trick will be. It will just have to be incredibly deep and well shaded.
@@MartinMenge Dear Martin, if you start your experiment, pls let us be part of it! Tell us all about it, so we can share your results with the community!
Best, Ines
@@teichswimmer6746 I will do so when I get an opportunity.
Ours is in Costa Rica. It works here.
A skimmer, more plants, and more oxygen (bubbler) would fix this right up. You can build or buy a floating skimmer if installation is not practical.
Thanks for your advise!
@teichswimmer6746
I know this system is not supposed to involve technology, but if the owner is unwilling to remove the leaves regularly there will always be too many nutrients for algae to feed on and the beneficial bacteria won't keep up.