I took one for a test ride Thursday. I liked it so much I bought it. 😃 The engine is a delight. It’s a rocket sled. Most importantly, there’s a night and day difference in vibes between the ‘24 and the ‘23 at 80 mph. The vibes on the ‘23 were too much for me; no qualms on the ‘24. Just as important for an old man like me, this bike comes stock with all the creature comforts of my Indian Roadmaster - cruise control, butt warmers front and rear, heated grips, good wind protection, adjustable windshield, and electronics out the wazoo. It’ll be a superlative tourer. As for the engine heat, please. Try sitting at a stoplight in Houston in July on a Roadmaster. That’ll fry your huevos. At times I feel the heat from the Tiger hitting my thighs, but I don’t find it objectionable. As for the weight, bear in mind it comes with a large tank, a bash plate, engine guards and a center stand. By the time you add all that stuff to the competition, the weight difference isn’t that much. Riding position-wise, it’s almost exactly the same as my DR650 (with lowered pegs). I can’t quite flatfoot it (I’m 6’ with a 32 in. inseam), but the tilt with my left foot flat on the ground is minimal. This is the first bike I’ve ever ridden with a quick shifter. I take back all the mean things I’ve ever said about quick shifters. It’s magic. Lastly, the default suspension settings are a bit plush for a fat old man like me (225 lb.s), but it’s fully adjustable and I don’t expect any issues getting it dialed in. Would I take this bike on single track trails? God, no. But gravel roads and two track? No problem. No, it won’t go everywhere my DR650 can go, but unlike my DR650, I can take this thing cross country and won’t arrive at my destination peeing blood. All in all, I think I’m going to love this bike. My only wish? That Triumph would build this same bike around the 660 triple. 😃😃😃
@@petermcgarva7207 - My DR is pretty farkled up (major suspension upgrades) and is 125 pounds lighter than the Tiger. I don’t doubt a younger, better, more fit rider could take the Tiger anywhere the DR could go, and then some, especially with all those ponies on tap. I might even have been that rider twenty or thirty years ago. But not anymore. You just got to learn to live with the seasons of your life and keep on enjoying the ride, my friend. 😃
I've got a 2021 v1 Tiger 900 Rally. On decent tyres (I've got Anakee Wilds) the bike is pretty competent off road and a lovely on road bike. Most of the time I use Dunlop Trail Max which are a brilliant mix on/off road tyre until you show them real mud (I'm a distinctly average rider). In dry conditions this bike will do trails, single track, snotty trails and all roads. I'm happy with mine and the build quality is rock solid.
I love "the extra leg heating device" together with heated grips and seat : ) Very useful during the wet and not so warm days here in Finland (which we may have occasionally...)
Excellent and comprehensive review Solid 👍! I especially liked how you addressed the vibration issue of the new “T” plane crank Tigers. Having owned mostly singles and twins for 50 years, the most common question I’m asked about one of the singles has been, “How bad does it vibrate?”, my standard answer is; “I still have all my fillings in my teeth, and I’m not loosing the screws out of my glasses, so not too bad I’d say !?” 😆👍
Concur. The LAMs market is seriously lacking in Adv bikes outside of trail/Enduros. It would have been a perfect opportunity to capture novice riders who have started riding specifically to get into Adv riding interest in the brand from the outset
The funny thing is, there was a leaked photo from a presentation at a Triumph Dealer conference in the beginning of 2022. It was before the Trident was launched. It clearly shows late-stage concept art of what became the Trident, the Tiger Sport AND an adventure version with the same design language as the Tiger 900. Ergo exactly what you're asking for. So either they're still taking their sweet time developing the bike, or they've dropped it for one reason or another.
Nice to see Triumph Balcatta showing the channel some love, Culley's has always been great and they've just become a KTM dealer as well as triumph and yamaha
You nailed it IMHO. I had a 2022 and upgraded to a 2024; now at 4000 km. The main reason I chose this bike is the triple, which doesn’t disappoint. The ‘off-road capability’ is sufficient for my riding on gravel roads in the Canadian Rockies. I took the screen off because I prefer direct wind on my helmet. For me, the ideal bike.
@@YangCalgary shit. Sounds like you survived. Having spent a lot of time on both and you aren’t in the press is the new one worth the upgrade. I feel like the first gen is restricted a bit
@@brianErickson-bx9hp Yeah, I’ve recovered. Ran into a cow that was on the street at night. The new one is slightly better with everything; especially the engine. The heat on the legs is stronger with the new Tiger. Depending on what it costs you an upgrade may not be necessary. The 2022 was very good already.
Thanks a ton brother.. had booked a Tiger 1200 GT pro after a lot of juggling up with 1200 & 900.. now I'm sure.. Tiger 900 Rally pro will be my bike.. but yes like u said the heat issue .. but if I managed my speed twin 1200 here in India 🇮🇳 I think I can manage this too.. Safe rides bruv
I remember when the Tiger 800 came to the States, I think around 2010, I had one as a loaner bike. I was so impressed with that engine! I also loved the whistling sound of the triple, but I think they have eliminated that.
Thanks for the extensive review, appriciated! I used to have a Tiger 955i 12-14 years ago so have some experience with triples. My question is how much of a change did it make to the triple engine when Triumph changed from a standard triple to a T-plane triple a couple of yeqrs ago? Some reviews suggest it didnt do very much change to the engine - it just got more vibration….
I rode the GT it’s good fun, the heated grips and seat where great, never thought cruise control is a necessity but loved that too. The front suspension felt a bit harsh but probably a few clicks will fix, I found it felt too heavy when moving slow but I’d definitely have the rally version 👍🏻
Maybe "offroad" should be defined. It seems to differ from rider to rider. To me "offroad" is mostly gravel roads. I wouldn't want to traverse single track, technical slow riding, rough fire roads on the Tiger 900 where you actually need a MX/Enduro/ old school Thumper type of bike that's more suitable for that type of terrain. 228kg should not scare you if you use it what it's intended for. Just my 2 cents
Hi solid. Is this part of a Tiger Rally Pro and GT Pro review also? You do refer to the other bike briefly. I’m looking at getting a Rally Pro or GT Pro this week. Your review for me could not be more timely . Thanks for r a great review. For me it looks like the GT may be the choice for me.
I do look forward to your comparison when you get the chance. I chose the CRF 300 Rally and ride off-road on Saturdays. On Sundays if like to take my partner on a comfy ADV mainly for short trips for up to a couple of hours. When she is not on it id like to ADV tour with a group on road and through some dual track dirt roads so im torn on the choice. I dont see the Rally Pro as a bike id ride more seriously off road as I dont have the skills and experience with such a big bike to drop. It’s a matter of personal preference it think. I will test ride both and see. I will purchase one and really try not to think…. Maybe Should have bought the other. I think the GT Pro would suit me better as the seat height is more comfortable and id like the confidence when i put the missus on the back.
I can't understand anyone buying a bike of this size & wanting to go off road. It honestly makes no sense to me. This is a fantastic bike for touring around a country. Probably a great commuter bike also. But bikes like this & off road riding is plain stupid if you ask me. For me personally, if I'm riding off road. I need a bike I can throw about for fun. I'm no spring chicken either. I'm in my 50's, but the whole adpect of riding off road is about going places & doing things you've got no chance of coming across on the tarmac. Great review Solid again I hope you're well
It’s more for gravel roads or light two track. But it’s really for cruising the highways to get to that gravel track. Here in Texas, it getting to the point where you have to ride a long way to get to dirt. It’s 12+ hours from Houston to Big Bend. This bike is a good fit for our Trans America Trail (TAT) and our state-by-state Backcountry Discovery Routes (BDRs) all of which are a mix of tarmac and (mostly pretty easy) dirt roads.
@@TheIdlesurfer Why do off-road race bikes only use small, lightweight bikes? Big bikes aren't suited for off-road racing, and these guys are the best in the world. People using 1000cc big bikes off-road are kidding themselves......
@@Andy_ATB well, I get around all right, but I'm not racing. I'm quicker and it's a lot easier on my FE501, but my Tiger 900 on decent tyres will get round most trails. If I'm riding tough trails, then my skills are not up to riding an adv bike. My biggest gripe about riding bigger bikes around trails is they're a bastard to lift and expensive to drop. I don't think adv riders should ride with people on Enduro bikes. The pace is so different. I did the Triumph Adventure School at level 2 in Wales and it really surprised me what I could do in mud and hills on a Tiger. Everything would have been easy on my 501 but it really wasn't too difficult on the Tiger.
I find some comments on reviews of bikes like these quite funny. Anyone who buys a large adventure bike to ride single track or hard enduro, is an absolute fool. That's not what these bikes are for. The comparisons to DR 650s and KLX 300s is laughable. Two different types of bikes for two different applications. These bikes are for spending hours on the highway in comfort, but can also go where you wouldn't take your Gold Wing...down a rough side or back road. Yes, the advertising is misleading, with pro riders doing stunts off road, etc, but it's no different than some car ads. Who's power sliding their car in a desert? Who's towing an excavator behind their pickup? Some, but hardly anyone. I think it's time to stop comparing big adventure bikes to 300 cc dual sports. There's no cross over. There never has been. Could I ride a CRF 300 Rally across the country? Probably, but I'd need a chiropractor before I got there.
Bang on. A friend of mine bought a BMW 850 GSA last year and he doesn't do any off road riding. In fact he doesn't even like it. Mostly does highway cruising. I don't get the point of buying such a bike and not doing some "adventure". Better if he had bought a versys 650 or the tiger 660 and saved almost 30% of the money.
@@Kevimoto Meh. I disagree. I’ve done the North East BDR, the Colorado BDR solo on my 1090. Along with hrs and hrs of off roading in my part of the world. Northern Ontario and Northern Quebec, and my local area of Calabogie. I don’t ride my 1090 for comfort on the highway. I ride it for its abilities on class 4+ unmaintained roads, 4 wheeler trails and the occasional single track. You might be surprised.
@stevestackpole6817 not sure that I'd be surprised. I've been seeing the same thing for decades. Of course there will be exceptions, but I'm willing to bet that when really challenging landscapes appear, the amount of big bore ADV bikes are practically non existent. I've taken my bike to places that have surprised people on smaller bikes, but I guarantee you they were having more of a care free day than I was having. Lol And honestly, a 1090 is not the large bikes I was referring too. How about a 1290 SAR, or a GS 1250, Triumph Tiger 1200, Ducati Multi...
Front mudguard/fender says it all... not off road capable unless a graded gravel road. Any mud or such... you are having a hard time keeping that front wheel straight with all the accumulated mud build up all over the fender being 2-3cm above the tire. Whoever builds or tests this "adventure bikes" goes nowhere near where you go when you actually ride an "adventure". basically like so many SUVs today... do not go off the bitumen or well maintained gravel roads. To me adventure = Cairns to Cape York and back, between 1990 and 1999. Bike sounds great, suspension, brakes and so on... but, once again, it is not "Adventure"... or it is just LIMITED adventure. but thanks for your review Mr Chronicles.
I bought one thinking it would be a great do it all bike but I found it to heavy to do any real off road riding. The vibrations would cause my hands to go numb. I wound up selling it at 5000km and buying a Harley pan america, it's way better on road and I'll do gravel roads on it which is about all I'd do on the tiger anyways with the cost and weight. It was a good bike just to ddirt focus for me
Thank you for this!!! This is what I have be advocating for many years. This so called "ADV" bikes, are not adventure at all except on well maintained roads. Yes, the Haley Pan American seems to be good at what you state, as my friend in the USA is doing the same kind of rinding on one the past year or more.
Was yours a ‘20-‘23 model? Because I can attest, the ‘24 is _much_ better in the vibes department. Night and day. To the the point I told my dealer they need to carefully go over their’23 demo bike, because I’m concerned there might be something wrong with it. It was that much of a difference.
@@tennyis28 - It was about 15 minutes on ‘23. 😂 I think I can live with 300km. And there’s always bar end weights. I put those on my DR and it made a big difference. And foamies on the grips. I have a big V-twin and the big thumper, so I may be a bit more inured to vibration than some. We’ll see how it goes.
@@tracythorleifson I hope you like it more then I did haha. I think if you are more on the adv side you will love it. I'm more on the touring bike side but like the comfort and riding position of an adv bike. I grew up on dirt bikes and feel most comfortable with that vs a harley style
For 2020-24 specifically, the rake angle of the off-road-focused Tiger has been a street-biased 24.4 degrees -three degrees steeper than almost any other Adventure Motorcycle or Dirt Bike on the market. Probably because their target market is Brittain and EU where people never go off-road. Also explains why they wouldn't want you to take it off road.
Whether a person is “Touring” or “Adventuring” isn’t defined by whether the platform they are riding is on-road or off-road biased or what it weighs. To state otherwise is to miss the point entirely. Adv riding is about riding all it in part on terrain, in an environment and under conditions that the rider finds mentally/physically challenging. Ie it is what they find to be adventurous and what they are sitting on or whether more skilled/experienced riders find that same ride to be challenging or not is irrelevant. The bike and its weight isn’t usually the biggest limiting factor to what terrain can be tackled, it the skill, knowledge and attitude of the rider. Weight as a number is just that. How is the weight carried and as part of the entire system how does it handle is the real consideration. I’d add to that how large/heavy is the rider and/or how fit/strong are they. You can “tour” in a 130kg 450cc trail bike and you can adv ride on a 230kg 900cc Adv bike. The rider has to consider bike strengths and weaknesses and their own and decide what compromises they are willing to make vs being dictated to by others be that fellow riders, social media experts or marketing charlatans. Perhaps people should be trying to realise that Adv riding is a spectrum as are the bikes it can be done on vs trying to dictate what it is people are or aren’t doing and what platform they should or should not be doing it on…
Well put although I believe that any ride can be an adventure, be it on a Honda Grom or Goldwing. Adventure is the most well worn marketing term of this century but for my tastes, weight is the NO 1 enemy particularly as you age. Try picking these twins/triples etc up on a trail with the handlebars down the slope. In my dirt rides around the eastern part of NSW below Sydney I never see these bikes. One interesting comment from Ian from Big Rock Moto about the Triumphs is that the steep steering angle makes them a bit trickier in the dirt than all the others
@@grayl5514 Yes it can be any bike, I never tied a bike type to something being Adv riding, but not any terrain IMO. ie not entirely on-road. I believe the term "Adventure riding" is a specifically narrower term than anything on a bike that feels adventurous. To me it implies all or part of the riding is off the black-top, in nature, austere surroundings etc. and using some type of off-road mindset and techniques. If someone finds riding the blacktop through the country-side to the pub for lunch and back on sunny days adventurous it'd be talking the piss to claim that was adventure riding. I've seen and ridden with plenty of mid-sized "Adv" bikes south, east and north of Sydney to include ATs, GS, Desert X, Tigers, 890s and 901s. I don't believe the rake angle is the primary cause of claimed wheel tucks as I have seen decent riders carving up loose gravel and sand with zero issues. The Tiger has 2 inches steeper rake than a FE/EXCF 500. I changed knobbies to less aggressive Adv tyres and tried to ride my 500 like I did on knobbies and guess what - I experienced several Oh Shit! wheel tuck and instability issues. So it wasn't rake - it was a traction issue. From what I have seen most claiming front end instability are short term reviewers or new owners invariably on the stock tyres and without the suspension dialed in. Other, new Adv riders go from street bikes to Tigers as their first adv bike and simply cannot ride that well if at all off-road. They have similar issues on any big Adv bike running the usually shit stock tyres masquerading as "Adventure Ready". Does rake and ergo affect handling? Off-course but not to the degree people claim I'd suspect. I have spoken to several Tiger owners who said they have zero issues with tuck-ins. The first thing they did was get decent tyres and the second was dial in the suspension and the third if they didn't already....learn the idiosyncrasies of how to ride off-road on heavier, higher CoG bikes.
@@titaniumquarrion9838 YOu make some very good points there. I fully agree that adventure riding = mostly dirt riding but my NO 1 issue is weight, now that I'm on the wrong side of 65. 150 kg is my upper limit so I am very restricted to a handful of bikes, all singles.
@@grayl5514 I'd add so far as weight goes the enemy isn't weight, so much as lacking or degradation of several areas of the rider - strength, balance and skill. I have seen guys in their 50s in 6-12 months of functional lifting become stronger than they were in their 20s when they said "fuck you" to aging gracefully. I myself experienced it in my late 40s. I've seen guys completely ramp up their riding by starting or finishing each time they ride, even if only once a week with 20 minutes of slow speed balance drills. People can ride for years decades getting away with low skill but a high tolerance to "sending it and holding on". People can fool themselves into thinking they are great riders when in fact they have very low levels of technical skill. The key there is practicing slow speed riding, over increasingly technical terrain and obstacles, not sending it up a 4WD track paddling wildly with legs year after year with zero actual improvement in technique. Ive seen guys dread riding sand, get through a patch maybe a few hundred meters or less long and state how glad they are it is over. Others even ask before rides how much sand there is and bow out on the ride altogether because they are scared of or simply hate sand. If that were me I'd pay off the rest of the ride and spend a couple of hours to go back and forward up that stretch of sand until A. It didn't scare me anymore and B. My sand riding improved. Or I'd ask a mate that could ride sand well (not send it and hang on) to coach me. Lets also be honest lighter trail/Enduro bikes are more forgiving of poor balance and skill. Yes weight can be an issue and for some due to injuries etc it makes perfect sense to go lighter. I'd suggest though before trading in the big girl, or talking it off the purchase list, consider if we are making excuses not to be stronger, more agile, balanced and skilled than we were when we were younger, or at least better than the state we let ourselves get into while excusing our decline as the inevitable and irreversible results of aging.
@@grayl5514 And if 150kg is your comfort limit then by all means it makes perfect sense to ride a platform that you are confident you can pick up if dropped and handle.
I wanna switch my Z900 to something that can do it all. Was looking at second hand Tiger 850 and 800 GS because I can't afford these brand new middle weight ADVs. However, CFMOTO is releasing 800MT-X in 2025 and it could be another unicorn. Hopefully it's gonna be around 16-17K AUD thus I'll be able to afford a brand new bike.
That weight, those tyres and 17inch rear will only appeal to more onroad focused riders in my opinion. Quite expensive too. Triumph fans will be very happy with it, but Australian offroad adventure riders will likely look elsewhere as we are starting to see bikes getting lighter and cheaper.
Similar price to competitors like the KTM 890 RP and Norden 901 Exp. I would have said not too long ago the Tiger would be for those less off-road focused however with the major issues KTM/Husqvarna are having that is enough to take them out of the running for many. I had shortlisted these three and was going to get a Norden as the happy medium…then the cam shaft issue came out on top of the pre-existing issues so that took them out of the running. I am now getting a Tiger 900 RP even though I am definitely more off-road focused. Bikes aren’t the real limiting factor, nor is weight, it’s skill, knowledge and attitude of the rider. So far as weight goes I’d also add weight is t as important as how it is carried and how, when combined with the entire system, it affects handling.
# Nice video, is a good bike for commuting honestly? daily use (comfortable) and weekend touring, of perhaps recreation purpose? this is better than ktm 890 for my purpose ? I only drive on public roads/highways... it is wise to jump from naked bike to this touring/Adventure for daily use. Any way great video Be safe
It's nuts how much adventure bikes have jumped in price so much over the past 6 or 7 years. China see this and are countering it. Dunno if CFmoto are reliable time will tell, but I'll be stuffed if I pay 26K for a Triumph.
This is how I see it and I think many others too. The ADV market has really filled out. The next disruptor will be hybrid - even if there's already EV.
Triumph should bring a Tiger 600 Rally. The current Tiger 600 is a sports tourer akin to the versys and i dont think many people buy it. A Proper Tiger 600 Rally would sell really well. And i hope its priced similar to the tiger 600 or maybe slightly expensive. In India, we don't have any adv in the 600cc segment. Versys 650 is the only option and its not really an option tbh. And Aprilia shot themselves in the foot by pricing the Tuareg 660 the same or even a bit more than a Tiger 900 Rally Pro and the Ducati Desert X.
Actually, triumph's 3-cylinder "t-plane crank" engines have different firing orders. They behave much more like a parallel twin. You get more tourque down under, but unfortunately this results in more vibrations. I own a tiger 900 gt pro from 2023 and especially on the highway with constant speed, it's really bad. Their inline 3s in the trident 660 or the previous versions tiger 800 are so much smoother. It's a shame. Triumph should bring back the inline three, atleast for the gt/street version of the tiger. That's the only thing that really bothers me, besides the heat coming from the left side of the engine. But after all I'm really happy with the tiger. It's great for touring and comuting. Also in the twisties it's very fun and agile. I love that you can setup the suspension without getting off the bike, just with a few clicks. And it has all the bells and whistles you can wish for comfort riding. No bike is perfect, but this is a close one for me
ADV? That abbreviation makes no sense! On the 900 Rally Pro though, rode one back to back with the 1200 Rally Pro. I so wanted to like the 1200 more (rode one 5 months previously and was blown away by it), but on the next road test, the 900 won hands down. More agile, better screen, and just so much more useable as an every day bike. Would still probably go for the 1200 if continental exploration was the order of the day, as the seat is a little more comfortable, just a little mind, and I prefer less faff with an enclosed shaft drive too.
When did a 900cc bike become a middleweight? It’s Closer to a litre bike than middle. It’s only too heavy if you can’t pick it up. If you’re riding off road, drop it, then can’t pick it up you’re on the wrong bike or the wrong trail.
If Triumph wants to sell bikes , make a 450 Rally. The big bikes are great but to really capture the market the 450 to 650 cc capacity is where it’s at.
228kg wet is waaay to much. I have a ktm 950sm and it is like 215kg and it is waaaaaay to heavy for a street bike even, because it is so high. Same with this one. No thanks, and it is even an "adventure" bike...
Triumph have way too many adventure bikes in their range. They need a mid size engine adventure bike to slot in above the scrambler 400. A 660 would be perfect ✌🏽
Chain drive crap 💩! No adventure rider who rides for weeks on ends likes chain!!! Thats where the 1250 gs pulls leaps ahead. Chain maintenance over the lifespan is a huge difference and dust just eats chains my guy! Cool bike tho. Lets just face it all the bikes now adays are great. This is the Africa twin competition !
Problem is there are no industry or adv community defined weight classes. Other things to consider are weight is a number and isn't as important as how it is carried and affects handling vs simply thinking heavier = worse handling. It also depends on rider size, strength and ability. A 170cm tall 70kg rider may find 228kg daunting and a 190cm 120kg rider not. Same goes for unskilled vs skilled. I hate this “adv tourer” term. It implies adventure riding is about what you are sitting on or that there is a clearly defined level of terrain technically vs what you are doing and if you personally find it adventurous.
@@titaniumquarrion9838 yep, skill level and where one wants to go, what are the expectations once there. We will never get any agreement regarding weight categories, however I can see the possibility once electric bikes start to become a viable option. The power and battery capacity is more or less irrelevant, enough power is enough. Range? Let’s not go there. But what we can state for certain, and is universally understood, is weight. So weight and range and power and intended purpose, in that order. For me, fuel agnostic, the unicorn is 175kg, 400km, 60HP, 180mm travel 17” 19” combo. It’s light enough, seat low enough, to deal with most crappy situations. It’s heavy enough to road ride all day and doesn’t need to be pushed to the next pump or outlet because you ran out of juice. Power to weight is plenty good enough. Dream on old man 👨🦳. 🙄😅
@@titaniumquarrion9838 to be more specific regarding categories, I propose 25kg increments. Full of fuel, fully charged, 125, 150, 175, 200, 225, 250, and, don’t be so utterly insane. Call them 1 to 7. You are, bark busters bash-plates etc fitted, in the category you fall closest to.
@@DavidKD2050 That works on paper, but is also ultimately arbitrary. I personally group them as 125-175kg Light, 176 - 225kg Medium and 226+ as heavy. My weight classes are equally arbitrary as there's no actual reason why I should even bother labelling the 175kg bike light and the 176kg medium/middle weight. What metric am I using to weigh them against? I'm 192cm tall and weigh 120kg. A 200kg bike to me may handle "lighter" than a 170kg bike does for a 160cm, 70kg rider. equally a more skilled 170kg rider may be able to kick my ass on the heavier bike as his skill makes the bike more weightless when negotiating obstacles etc. To add more confusion to the mix a 170kg guy may be stronger than a 100kg guy when it comes to picking up a dropped bike. Why then do we worry so much about trying to claim at such and such a weight a bike is suddenly more or less suited to Adventure??? I think we should look at capabilities and handling vs weights. Some heavier bikes arguably handle better and feel lighter, usually due to carrying that weight lower, better suspension, brakes etc, than lighter bikes. Bottom line for me is I don't get tied up with weight. Maybe that's due to my size and the fact I am always working on slow speed balance - like walking pace and stop, pause, start balance. Certain bikes handle certain types of terrain and styles of riding better than others. The biggest limiting factors are no the platform though (within reason) its the rider and it comes down to strength, cardio, balance, agility, technical ability and mindset more-so than brand, tyres, engine size, suspension, brakes or weight. I've seen guys spend thousands to reduce the weight of their bike by a few kg. meanwhile they are obese , carry a ton of useless crap and couldn't lift their own body weight let alone a 200kg bike. I've seen guys shit talk heavy bikes as unsuitable for Adv riding meanwhile they are shit riders themselves that simply can barley handle their "lightweight" trail bike or use a bikes weight as something to blame vs their lack of physical strength when they drop a bike and ability to balance at low speeds. So yeah mate, to shorten that rant, the supposed weight classes in Adv bikes is arbitrary to me. I don't buy into weight that much. it's more about what the rider wants and their capabilities.
@@titaniumquarrion9838 it’s indeed arbitrary and I agree with all of your points. I am 178cm , 75kg and currently riding a new 650 VStrom, which admittedly is a bit of a tank. I am a better offroad rider than on road, so if grip allows I can take it places, and at a good pace, that I shouldn’t. I have the bike because realistically I do far more road miles than anything else. At nearly 57 I’m strong and lean, but still, I am not going to tolerate a more dirt focused bike during those road miles. Too old and grumpy for that.
Triumph Tiger, not top heavy? I beg to disagree. For me, the weight and general and the top heaviness kills this bike. Fine for crunching miles and a bit of easy trail, but as soon as it get knarly, you will wish you were riding something else
I took one for a test ride Thursday. I liked it so much I bought it. 😃 The engine is a delight. It’s a rocket sled. Most importantly, there’s a night and day difference in vibes between the ‘24 and the ‘23 at 80 mph. The vibes on the ‘23 were too much for me; no qualms on the ‘24. Just as important for an old man like me, this bike comes stock with all the creature comforts of my Indian Roadmaster - cruise control, butt warmers front and rear, heated grips, good wind protection, adjustable windshield, and electronics out the wazoo. It’ll be a superlative tourer. As for the engine heat, please. Try sitting at a stoplight in Houston in July on a Roadmaster. That’ll fry your huevos. At times I feel the heat from the Tiger hitting my thighs, but I don’t find it objectionable. As for the weight, bear in mind it comes with a large tank, a bash plate, engine guards and a center stand. By the time you add all that stuff to the competition, the weight difference isn’t that much. Riding position-wise, it’s almost exactly the same as my DR650 (with lowered pegs). I can’t quite flatfoot it (I’m 6’ with a 32 in. inseam), but the tilt with my left foot flat on the ground is minimal. This is the first bike I’ve ever ridden with a quick shifter. I take back all the mean things I’ve ever said about quick shifters. It’s magic. Lastly, the default suspension settings are a bit plush for a fat old man like me (225 lb.s), but it’s fully adjustable and I don’t expect any issues getting it dialed in. Would I take this bike on single track trails? God, no. But gravel roads and two track? No problem. No, it won’t go everywhere my DR650 can go, but unlike my DR650, I can take this thing cross country and won’t arrive at my destination peeing blood. All in all, I think I’m going to love this bike. My only wish? That Triumph would build this same bike around the 660 triple.
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Congrats mate 🎉
Amen Brother!
The bike will go all places a DR could go and more.
@@petermcgarva7207 - My DR is pretty farkled up (major suspension upgrades) and is 125 pounds lighter than the Tiger. I don’t doubt a younger, better, more fit rider could take the Tiger anywhere the DR could go, and then some, especially with all those ponies on tap. I might even have been that rider twenty or thirty years ago. But not anymore. You just got to learn to live with the seasons of your life and keep on enjoying the ride, my friend. 😃
@@tracythorleifson I’m 64 and looking for my next bike , so I know what you mean .
Happy riding
I've got a 2021 v1 Tiger 900 Rally. On decent tyres (I've got Anakee Wilds) the bike is pretty competent off road and a lovely on road bike. Most of the time I use Dunlop Trail Max which are a brilliant mix on/off road tyre until you show them real mud (I'm a distinctly average rider). In dry conditions this bike will do trails, single track, snotty trails and all roads. I'm happy with mine and the build quality is rock solid.
I love "the extra leg heating device" together with heated grips and seat : ) Very useful during the wet and not so warm days here in Finland (which we may have occasionally...)
Excellent and comprehensive review Solid 👍! I especially liked how you addressed the vibration issue of the new “T” plane crank Tigers. Having owned mostly singles and twins for 50 years, the most common question I’m asked about one of the singles has been, “How bad does it vibrate?”, my standard answer is; “I still have all my fillings in my teeth, and I’m not loosing the screws out of my glasses, so not too bad I’d say !?” 😆👍
Well said Dan 😆
Triumph missed the boat, they should have had a 660 Rally
totally agree - I would be extremely tempted by a 660 Rally
Concur. The LAMs market is seriously lacking in Adv bikes outside of trail/Enduros. It would have been a perfect opportunity to capture novice riders who have started riding specifically to get into Adv riding interest in the brand from the outset
I agree
Love my 660 sport, had the same thought 3 days after buying it.
The funny thing is, there was a leaked photo from a presentation at a Triumph Dealer conference in the beginning of 2022. It was before the Trident was launched. It clearly shows late-stage concept art of what became the Trident, the Tiger Sport AND an adventure version with the same design language as the Tiger 900. Ergo exactly what you're asking for. So either they're still taking their sweet time developing the bike, or they've dropped it for one reason or another.
Nice to see Triumph Balcatta showing the channel some love, Culley's has always been great and they've just become a KTM dealer as well as triumph and yamaha
You nailed it IMHO. I had a 2022 and upgraded to a 2024; now at 4000 km. The main reason I chose this bike is the triple, which doesn’t disappoint. The ‘off-road capability’ is sufficient for my riding on gravel roads in the Canadian Rockies. I took the screen off because I prefer direct wind on my helmet. For me, the ideal bike.
Why did you feel the need to upgrade?
@@brianErickson-bx9hp I crashed the first one …
@@YangCalgary shit. Sounds like you survived.
Having spent a lot of time on both and you aren’t in the press is the new one worth the upgrade. I feel like the first gen is restricted a bit
@@brianErickson-bx9hp Yeah, I’ve recovered. Ran into a cow that was on the street at night. The new one is slightly better with everything; especially the engine. The heat on the legs is stronger with the new Tiger. Depending on what it costs you an upgrade may not be necessary. The 2022 was very good already.
Thanks a ton brother.. had booked a Tiger 1200 GT pro after a lot of juggling up with 1200 & 900.. now I'm sure..
Tiger 900 Rally pro will be my bike.. but yes like u said the heat issue .. but if I managed my speed twin 1200 here in India 🇮🇳 I think I can manage this too..
Safe rides bruv
I remember when the Tiger 800 came to the States, I think around 2010, I had one as a loaner bike. I was so impressed with that engine! I also loved the whistling sound of the triple, but I think they have eliminated that.
Thanks for the extensive review, appriciated!
I used to have a Tiger 955i 12-14 years ago so have some experience with triples.
My question is how much of a change did it make to the triple engine when Triumph changed from a standard triple to a T-plane triple a couple of yeqrs ago? Some reviews suggest it didnt do very much change to the engine - it just got more vibration….
Thank you for being honest about the bike. So refreshing.
No problem 👍
I rode the GT it’s good fun, the heated grips and seat where great, never thought cruise control is a necessity but loved that too. The front suspension felt a bit harsh but probably a few clicks will fix, I found it felt too heavy when moving slow but I’d definitely have the rally version 👍🏻
The spoked wheels look very nice.
Great review! Thanks
Great review/perspective - Thanks
Maybe "offroad" should be defined. It seems to differ from rider to rider. To me "offroad" is mostly gravel roads. I wouldn't want to traverse single track, technical slow riding, rough fire roads on the Tiger 900 where you actually need a MX/Enduro/ old school Thumper type of bike that's more suitable for that type of terrain. 228kg should not scare you if you use it what it's intended for. Just my 2 cents
That’s true. It’s just a non paved road. Could be dirt, clay, grass
Enjoyed your review , Wales GB
Thanks from across the pond 👍
Tubeless tyres and option of electronic suspension. I’m 5’8” engine heat is a concern v the latest Honda Africa Twin ‘24.
Hi solid. Is this part of a Tiger Rally Pro and GT Pro review also? You do refer to the other bike briefly. I’m looking at getting a Rally Pro or GT Pro this week. Your review for me could not be more timely . Thanks for r a great review. For me it looks like the GT may be the choice for me.
Yes Ricky, I had both at the same time and will be doing a comparison review of both. Anything in part you wanted know for the vid?
I do look forward to your comparison when you get the chance. I chose the CRF 300 Rally and ride off-road on Saturdays. On Sundays if like to take my partner on a comfy ADV mainly for short trips for up to a couple of hours. When she is not on it id like to ADV tour with a group on road and through some dual track dirt roads so im torn on the choice. I dont see the Rally Pro as a bike id ride more seriously off road as I dont have the skills and experience with such a big bike to drop. It’s a matter of personal preference it think. I will test ride both and see. I will purchase one and really try not to think…. Maybe Should have bought the other. I think the GT Pro would suit me better as the seat height is more comfortable and id like the confidence when i put the missus on the back.
I can't understand anyone buying a bike of this size & wanting to go off road. It honestly makes no sense to me. This is a fantastic bike for touring around a country. Probably a great commuter bike also. But bikes like this & off road riding is plain stupid if you ask me. For me personally, if I'm riding off road. I need a bike I can throw about for fun. I'm no spring chicken either. I'm in my 50's, but the whole adpect of riding off road is about going places & doing things you've got no chance of coming across on the tarmac. Great review Solid again I hope you're well
I've got to disagree with you. On the right tyres this bike is happy on most trails. It is surprisingly capable even in my very average hands.
It’s more for gravel roads or light two track. But it’s really for cruising the highways to get to that gravel track. Here in Texas, it getting to the point where you have to ride a long way to get to dirt. It’s 12+ hours from Houston to Big Bend. This bike is a good fit for our Trans America Trail (TAT) and our state-by-state Backcountry Discovery Routes (BDRs) all of which are a mix of tarmac and (mostly pretty easy) dirt roads.
@@TheIdlesurfer Why do off-road race bikes only use small, lightweight bikes? Big bikes aren't suited for off-road racing, and these guys are the best in the world. People using 1000cc big bikes off-road are kidding themselves......
@@Andy_ATBoff road race bikes aren’t carrying their luggage. A loaded 500 is a dog compared to this.
@@Andy_ATB well, I get around all right, but I'm not racing. I'm quicker and it's a lot easier on my FE501, but my Tiger 900 on decent tyres will get round most trails. If I'm riding tough trails, then my skills are not up to riding an adv bike. My biggest gripe about riding bigger bikes around trails is they're a bastard to lift and expensive to drop. I don't think adv riders should ride with people on Enduro bikes. The pace is so different. I did the Triumph Adventure School at level 2 in Wales and it really surprised me what I could do in mud and hills on a Tiger. Everything would have been easy on my 501 but it really wasn't too difficult on the Tiger.
I find some comments on reviews of bikes like these quite funny.
Anyone who buys a large adventure bike to ride single track or hard enduro, is an absolute fool. That's not what these bikes are for. The comparisons to DR 650s and KLX 300s is laughable. Two different types of bikes for two different applications. These bikes are for spending hours on the highway in comfort, but can also go where you wouldn't take your Gold Wing...down a rough side or back road. Yes, the advertising is misleading, with pro riders doing stunts off road, etc, but it's no different than some car ads. Who's power sliding their car in a desert? Who's towing an excavator behind their pickup? Some, but hardly anyone.
I think it's time to stop comparing big adventure bikes to 300 cc dual sports. There's no cross over. There never has been. Could I ride a CRF 300 Rally across the country? Probably, but I'd need a chiropractor before I got there.
Bang on. A friend of mine bought a BMW 850 GSA last year and he doesn't do any off road riding. In fact he doesn't even like it. Mostly does highway cruising. I don't get the point of buying such a bike and not doing some "adventure". Better if he had bought a versys 650 or the tiger 660 and saved almost 30% of the money.
@@Kevimoto
Meh. I disagree.
I’ve done the North East BDR, the Colorado BDR solo on my 1090. Along with hrs and hrs of off roading in my part of the world. Northern Ontario and Northern Quebec, and my local area of Calabogie.
I don’t ride my 1090 for comfort on the highway. I ride it for its abilities on class 4+ unmaintained roads, 4 wheeler trails and the occasional single track.
You might be surprised.
@stevestackpole6817 not sure that I'd be surprised. I've been seeing the same thing for decades. Of course there will be exceptions, but I'm willing to bet that when really challenging landscapes appear, the amount of big bore ADV bikes are practically non existent. I've taken my bike to places that have surprised people on smaller bikes, but I guarantee you they were having more of a care free day than I was having. Lol
And honestly, a 1090 is not the large bikes I was referring too. How about a 1290 SAR, or a GS 1250, Triumph Tiger 1200, Ducati Multi...
Well said man you are spot on
Front mudguard/fender says it all... not off road capable unless a graded gravel road. Any mud or such... you are having a hard time keeping that front wheel straight with all the accumulated mud build up all over the fender being 2-3cm above the tire.
Whoever builds or tests this "adventure bikes" goes nowhere near where you go when you actually ride an "adventure".
basically like so many SUVs today... do not go off the bitumen or well maintained gravel roads.
To me adventure = Cairns to Cape York and back, between 1990 and 1999.
Bike sounds great, suspension, brakes and so on... but, once again, it is not "Adventure"... or it is just LIMITED adventure.
but thanks for your review Mr Chronicles.
I bought one thinking it would be a great do it all bike but I found it to heavy to do any real off road riding. The vibrations would cause my hands to go numb. I wound up selling it at 5000km and buying a Harley pan america, it's way better on road and I'll do gravel roads on it which is about all I'd do on the tiger anyways with the cost and weight. It was a good bike just to ddirt focus for me
Thank you for this!!!
This is what I have be advocating for many years. This so called "ADV" bikes, are not adventure at all except on well maintained roads. Yes, the Haley Pan American seems to be good at what you state, as my friend in the USA is doing the same kind of rinding on one the past year or more.
Was yours a ‘20-‘23 model? Because I can attest, the ‘24 is _much_ better in the vibes department. Night and day. To the the point I told my dealer they need to carefully go over their’23 demo bike, because I’m concerned there might be something wrong with it. It was that much of a difference.
@@tracythorleifson yes it was a 2024, I only noticed my hand going numb after about 300km, I never road a prior year
@@tennyis28 - It was about 15 minutes on ‘23. 😂 I think I can live with 300km. And there’s always bar end weights. I put those on my DR and it made a big difference. And foamies on the grips. I have a big V-twin and the big thumper, so I may be a bit more inured to vibration than some. We’ll see how it goes.
@@tracythorleifson I hope you like it more then I did haha. I think if you are more on the adv side you will love it. I'm more on the touring bike side but like the comfort and riding position of an adv bike. I grew up on dirt bikes and feel most comfortable with that vs a harley style
For 2020-24 specifically, the rake angle of the off-road-focused Tiger has been a street-biased 24.4 degrees -three degrees steeper than almost any other Adventure Motorcycle or Dirt Bike on the market. Probably because their target market is Brittain and EU where people never go off-road. Also explains why they wouldn't want you to take it off road.
Whether a person is “Touring” or “Adventuring” isn’t defined by whether the platform they are riding is on-road or off-road biased or what it weighs. To state otherwise is to miss the point entirely. Adv riding is about riding all it in part on terrain, in an environment and under conditions that the rider finds mentally/physically challenging. Ie it is what they find to be adventurous and what they are sitting on or whether more skilled/experienced riders find that same ride to be challenging or not is irrelevant.
The bike and its weight isn’t usually the biggest limiting factor to what terrain can be tackled, it the skill, knowledge and attitude of the rider. Weight as a number is just that. How is the weight carried and as part of the entire system how does it handle is the real consideration. I’d add to that how large/heavy is the rider and/or how fit/strong are they.
You can “tour” in a 130kg 450cc trail bike and you can adv ride on a 230kg 900cc Adv bike. The rider has to consider bike strengths and weaknesses and their own and decide what compromises they are willing to make vs being dictated to by others be that fellow riders, social media experts or marketing charlatans.
Perhaps people should be trying to realise that Adv riding is a spectrum as are the bikes it can be done on vs trying to dictate what it is people are or aren’t doing and what platform they should or should not be doing it on…
Well put although I believe that any ride can be an adventure, be it on a Honda Grom or Goldwing. Adventure is the most well worn marketing term of this century but for my tastes, weight is the NO 1 enemy particularly as you age. Try picking these twins/triples etc up on a trail with the handlebars down the slope. In my dirt rides around the eastern part of NSW below Sydney I never see these bikes. One interesting comment from Ian from Big Rock Moto about the Triumphs is that the steep steering angle makes them a bit trickier in the dirt than all the others
@@grayl5514 Yes it can be any bike, I never tied a bike type to something being Adv riding, but not any terrain IMO. ie not entirely on-road. I believe the term "Adventure riding" is a specifically narrower term than anything on a bike that feels adventurous. To me it implies all or part of the riding is off the black-top, in nature, austere surroundings etc. and using some type of off-road mindset and techniques.
If someone finds riding the blacktop through the country-side to the pub for lunch and back on sunny days adventurous it'd be talking the piss to claim that was adventure riding.
I've seen and ridden with plenty of mid-sized "Adv" bikes south, east and north of Sydney to include ATs, GS, Desert X, Tigers, 890s and 901s.
I don't believe the rake angle is the primary cause of claimed wheel tucks as I have seen decent riders carving up loose gravel and sand with zero issues. The Tiger has 2 inches steeper rake than a FE/EXCF 500. I changed knobbies to less aggressive Adv tyres and tried to ride my 500 like I did on knobbies and guess what - I experienced several Oh Shit! wheel tuck and instability issues. So it wasn't rake - it was a traction issue.
From what I have seen most claiming front end instability are short term reviewers or new owners invariably on the stock tyres and without the suspension dialed in. Other, new Adv riders go from street bikes to Tigers as their first adv bike and simply cannot ride that well if at all off-road. They have similar issues on any big Adv bike running the usually shit stock tyres masquerading as "Adventure Ready".
Does rake and ergo affect handling? Off-course but not to the degree people claim I'd suspect. I have spoken to several Tiger owners who said they have zero issues with tuck-ins. The first thing they did was get decent tyres and the second was dial in the suspension and the third if they didn't already....learn the idiosyncrasies of how to ride off-road on heavier, higher CoG bikes.
@@titaniumquarrion9838 YOu make some very good points there. I fully agree that adventure riding = mostly dirt riding but my NO 1 issue is weight, now that I'm on the wrong side of 65. 150 kg is my upper limit so I am very restricted to a handful of bikes, all singles.
@@grayl5514 I'd add so far as weight goes the enemy isn't weight, so much as lacking or degradation of several areas of the rider - strength, balance and skill. I have seen guys in their 50s in 6-12 months of functional lifting become stronger than they were in their 20s when they said "fuck you" to aging gracefully. I myself experienced it in my late 40s. I've seen guys completely ramp up their riding by starting or finishing each time they ride, even if only once a week with 20 minutes of slow speed balance drills.
People can ride for years decades getting away with low skill but a high tolerance to "sending it and holding on". People can fool themselves into thinking they are great riders when in fact they have very low levels of technical skill. The key there is practicing slow speed riding, over increasingly technical terrain and obstacles, not sending it up a 4WD track paddling wildly with legs year after year with zero actual improvement in technique. Ive seen guys dread riding sand, get through a patch maybe a few hundred meters or less long and state how glad they are it is over. Others even ask before rides how much sand there is and bow out on the ride altogether because they are scared of or simply hate sand.
If that were me I'd pay off the rest of the ride and spend a couple of hours to go back and forward up that stretch of sand until A. It didn't scare me anymore and B. My sand riding improved. Or I'd ask a mate that could ride sand well (not send it and hang on) to coach me. Lets also be honest lighter trail/Enduro bikes are more forgiving of poor balance and skill.
Yes weight can be an issue and for some due to injuries etc it makes perfect sense to go lighter. I'd suggest though before trading in the big girl, or talking it off the purchase list, consider if we are making excuses not to be stronger, more agile, balanced and skilled than we were when we were younger, or at least better than the state we let ourselves get into while excusing our decline as the inevitable and irreversible results of aging.
@@grayl5514 And if 150kg is your comfort limit then by all means it makes perfect sense to ride a platform that you are confident you can pick up if dropped and handle.
I wanna switch my Z900 to something that can do it all. Was looking at second hand Tiger 850 and 800 GS because I can't afford these brand new middle weight ADVs.
However, CFMOTO is releasing 800MT-X in 2025 and it could be another unicorn. Hopefully it's gonna be around 16-17K AUD thus I'll be able to afford a brand new bike.
Got a 23 model. Awesome bike on and off-road. If you can afford it, buy one.
That weight, those tyres and 17inch rear will only appeal to more onroad focused riders in my opinion. Quite expensive too. Triumph fans will be very happy with it, but Australian offroad adventure riders will likely look elsewhere as we are starting to see bikes getting lighter and cheaper.
Similar price to competitors like the KTM 890 RP and Norden 901 Exp. I would have said not too long ago the Tiger would be for those less off-road focused however with the major issues KTM/Husqvarna are having that is enough to take them out of the running for many. I had shortlisted these three and was going to get a Norden as the happy medium…then the cam shaft issue came out on top of the pre-existing issues so that took them out of the running. I am now getting a Tiger 900 RP even though I am definitely more off-road focused. Bikes aren’t the real limiting factor, nor is weight, it’s skill, knowledge and attitude of the rider.
So far as weight goes I’d also add weight is t as important as how it is carried and how, when combined with the entire system, it affects handling.
Still plenty of Triumphs being sold to adventure riders in Australia
@@MrBerry67 Yep. Primarily off-road/Adv rider here in Aust and I am getting one.
@@titaniumquarrion9838I'm in the same boat , test rode the 901 loved it BUT all the talk about the camshafts , now researching the 900 RP 🤷♂️
I surely bought my sky-blue Tenere 700 for the aesthetics 😅
# Nice video, is a good bike for commuting honestly? daily use (comfortable) and weekend touring, of perhaps recreation purpose? this is better than ktm 890 for my purpose ? I only drive on public roads/highways... it is wise to jump from naked bike to this touring/Adventure for daily use.
Any way great video
Be safe
Thanks mate check out part 2 👍
It's nuts how much adventure bikes have jumped in price so much over the past 6 or 7 years. China see this and are countering it. Dunno if CFmoto are reliable time will tell, but I'll be stuffed if I pay 26K for a Triumph.
me 2
Front mudguard is too low. Should have a 6+ inch min. clearence.
This is how I see it and I think many others too.
The ADV market has really filled out. The next disruptor will be hybrid - even if there's already EV.
I saw some videos that Suzuki is going to release a new DRZ400 E around 25, could be fake but I am not sure. Any news on your side mate?
Nothing “solid”. Either AI generated BS or 3rd hand rumours. Would love to be wrong though.
Triumph should bring a Tiger 600 Rally. The current Tiger 600 is a sports tourer akin to the versys and i dont think many people buy it. A Proper Tiger 600 Rally would sell really well.
And i hope its priced similar to the tiger 600 or maybe slightly expensive. In India, we don't have any adv in the 600cc segment. Versys 650 is the only option and its not really an option tbh. And Aprilia shot themselves in the foot by pricing the Tuareg 660 the same or even a bit more than a Tiger 900 Rally Pro and the Ducati Desert X.
For off-road it's too heavy and the rake to steep, for the road the AT is a lot better (off-road too actually :). It's a pretty bike though.
I own this everything is excellent except for the heat that blows over your legs. The only major problem
Actually, triumph's 3-cylinder "t-plane crank" engines have different firing orders. They behave much more like a parallel twin. You get more tourque down under, but unfortunately this results in more vibrations. I own a tiger 900 gt pro from 2023 and especially on the highway with constant speed, it's really bad. Their inline 3s in the trident 660 or the previous versions tiger 800 are so much smoother. It's a shame. Triumph should bring back the inline three, atleast for the gt/street version of the tiger.
That's the only thing that really bothers me, besides the heat coming from the left side of the engine. But after all I'm really happy with the tiger. It's great for touring and comuting. Also in the twisties it's very fun and agile. I love that you can setup the suspension without getting off the bike, just with a few clicks. And it has all the bells and whistles you can wish for comfort riding. No bike is perfect, but this is a close one for me
ADV? That abbreviation makes no sense! On the 900 Rally Pro though, rode one back to back with the 1200 Rally Pro. I so wanted to like the 1200 more (rode one 5 months previously and was blown away by it), but on the next road test, the 900 won hands down. More agile, better screen, and just so much more useable as an every day bike. Would still probably go for the 1200 if continental exploration was the order of the day, as the seat is a little more comfortable, just a little mind, and I prefer less faff with an enclosed shaft drive too.
A three cylinder 888 cc ?
There are 4 cyl 600 cc bikes. 🤷♂️
8 cc per cylinder 🤦♂️
Wearing runners on a motorbike and in the rain???
Forma Adventure Boots 👍 You would never see me riding without adequate protection 😎
@@chroniclesofsolid ok cheers
What’s a traumatic foot amputation these days? They just slap on a robot foot right? 😉
Too heavy is not a factual statement, as its a personal thing.
Its like power lifting, whats too heavy for one, it light work for another.
When did a 900cc bike become a middleweight? It’s Closer to a litre bike than middle. It’s only too heavy if you can’t pick it up. If you’re riding off road, drop it, then can’t pick it up you’re on the wrong bike or the wrong trail.
Right around the time litre bikes jumped up to 1200-1300cc.
@@chroniclesofsolid
It was kind of a rhetorical question.
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If Triumph wants to sell bikes , make a 450 Rally. The big bikes are great but to really capture the market the 450 to 650 cc capacity is where it’s at.
For two up ADV?
You’d barely save any weight just less HP.
228kg wet is waaay to much. I have a ktm 950sm and it is like 215kg and it is waaaaaay to heavy for a street bike even, because it is so high. Same with this one. No thanks, and it is even an "adventure" bike...
Triumph have way too many adventure bikes in their range. They need a mid size engine adventure bike to slot in above the scrambler 400. A 660 would be perfect ✌🏽
Chain drive crap 💩! No adventure rider who rides for weeks on ends likes chain!!! Thats where the 1250 gs pulls leaps ahead. Chain maintenance over the lifespan is a huge difference and dust just eats chains my guy! Cool bike tho. Lets just face it all the bikes now adays are great. This is the Africa twin competition !
The BMW 900 is also chain driven. The Tiger 1200 is shaft driven.... so is the Yamaha Super Tenere and the Moto Guzzi VT 850.
When I’m touring chain maintenance is a daily (unpleasant) ritual for me. I wish ChainWax came in travel-sized cans!
The money saved on anything else non-BMW will more than allow for any extra on chain maintenance
But it’s not a Honda
Rally bikes as seen in Dakar/ W2RC are 450cc.........So why manufacturers make road going 'rally bikes' over this is a bit laughable.
2024 KTM 890 adventure rally is a better bike off-road
expensive bike..i'd probably get the suzuki vstrom 800 for $9k less..
Well that would be a stupid decision, this is hands down the best bike I’ve ever owned…
Three cylinder,not good for adventure bike.touring ok,adv/touring ok.not off road
Haha 😂, 228kg! It’s a heavyweight in my book.
Problem is there are no industry or adv community defined weight classes. Other things to consider are weight is a number and isn't as important as how it is carried and affects handling vs simply thinking heavier = worse handling.
It also depends on rider size, strength and ability. A 170cm tall 70kg rider may find 228kg daunting and a 190cm 120kg rider not. Same goes for unskilled vs skilled. I hate this “adv tourer” term. It implies adventure riding is about what you are sitting on or that there is a clearly defined level of terrain technically vs what you are doing and if you personally find it adventurous.
@@titaniumquarrion9838 yep, skill level and where one wants to go, what are the expectations once there. We will never get any agreement regarding weight categories, however I can see the possibility once electric bikes start to become a viable option. The power and battery capacity is more or less irrelevant, enough power is enough. Range? Let’s not go there. But what we can state for certain, and is universally understood, is weight. So weight and range and power and intended purpose, in that order. For me, fuel agnostic, the unicorn is 175kg, 400km, 60HP, 180mm travel 17” 19” combo. It’s light enough, seat low enough, to deal with most crappy situations. It’s heavy enough to road ride all day and doesn’t need to be pushed to the next pump or outlet because you ran out of juice. Power to weight is plenty good enough. Dream on old man 👨🦳. 🙄😅
@@titaniumquarrion9838 to be more specific regarding categories, I propose 25kg increments. Full of fuel, fully charged, 125, 150, 175, 200, 225, 250, and, don’t be so utterly insane. Call them 1 to 7. You are, bark busters bash-plates etc fitted, in the category you fall closest to.
@@DavidKD2050 That works on paper, but is also ultimately arbitrary. I personally group them as 125-175kg Light, 176 - 225kg Medium and 226+ as heavy. My weight classes are equally arbitrary as there's no actual reason why I should even bother labelling the 175kg bike light and the 176kg medium/middle weight.
What metric am I using to weigh them against? I'm 192cm tall and weigh 120kg. A 200kg bike to me may handle "lighter" than a 170kg bike does for a 160cm, 70kg rider. equally a more skilled 170kg rider may be able to kick my ass on the heavier bike as his skill makes the bike more weightless when negotiating obstacles etc. To add more confusion to the mix a 170kg guy may be stronger than a 100kg guy when it comes to picking up a dropped bike. Why then do we worry so much about trying to claim at such and such a weight a bike is suddenly more or less suited to Adventure???
I think we should look at capabilities and handling vs weights. Some heavier bikes arguably handle better and feel lighter, usually due to carrying that weight lower, better suspension, brakes etc, than lighter bikes.
Bottom line for me is I don't get tied up with weight. Maybe that's due to my size and the fact I am always working on slow speed balance - like walking pace and stop, pause, start balance. Certain bikes handle certain types of terrain and styles of riding better than others. The biggest limiting factors are no the platform though (within reason) its the rider and it comes down to strength, cardio, balance, agility, technical ability and mindset more-so than brand, tyres, engine size, suspension, brakes or weight.
I've seen guys spend thousands to reduce the weight of their bike by a few kg. meanwhile they are obese , carry a ton of useless crap and couldn't lift their own body weight let alone a 200kg bike. I've seen guys shit talk heavy bikes as unsuitable for Adv riding meanwhile they are shit riders themselves that simply can barley handle their "lightweight" trail bike or use a bikes weight as something to blame vs their lack of physical strength when they drop a bike and ability to balance at low speeds.
So yeah mate, to shorten that rant, the supposed weight classes in Adv bikes is arbitrary to me. I don't buy into weight that much. it's more about what the rider wants and their capabilities.
@@titaniumquarrion9838 it’s indeed arbitrary and I agree with all of your points. I am 178cm , 75kg and currently riding a new 650 VStrom, which admittedly is a bit of a tank. I am a better offroad rider than on road, so if grip allows I can take it places, and at a good pace, that I shouldn’t. I have the bike because realistically I do far more road miles than anything else. At nearly 57 I’m strong and lean, but still, I am not going to tolerate a more dirt focused bike during those road miles. Too old and grumpy for that.
Triumph Tiger, not top heavy? I beg to disagree. For me, the weight and general and the top heaviness kills this bike. Fine for crunching miles and a bit of easy trail, but as soon as it get knarly, you will wish you were riding something else
And yet feels less top heavy than the Africa Twin and the Tenere 700