Another great video Peter! I have used your idea of a sacrificial strip a couple of times before but i have to say i made it a lot harder for myself than you have demonstrated. Once again valuable tips that seem simple once you know them.
Suprising to see how the chips hit your back wall for the entire length of the pull pass with the router even with dust collection on! Just goes to show how important dust collection and respirators are.
There’s a part missing from this router that would improve dust collection - I just haven’t replaced it yet. But these kind of long grooves are always a challenge for dust extraction as the nature of the channel is to direct the dust out the end like a chute. 👍
Yes, when you take roughly 200 grams of mdf and turn it into visible and invisible particles and spread it out in the air, there is some cleaning to be done. A dust mask would have been a good choice.
Peter. Please can you provide a comprehensive round up, comparison and overall analysis of all your videos on MDF cabinet joinery. By Sunday PM. I WILL find you on your socials if not.😆 Thanks for all your amazing videos. So helpful!. 🙏
I was thinking about an extension fence for my Festool table saw - Woodpecker's has just come out with one as well that I THINK would work about like this - not as big, aluminum, and less than half the price. But this one is bigger and probably more stable-feeling. I WISH that someone would come out with a version of this with some kind of micro-adjustment. It's not an easy thing to get the fence to be exactly where you want. Bench Dog did a nice job on the miter fence extension - now if someone could come up with a way to add even a half-inch of micro-adjustment on that fence, I'd pick it up pretty quickly. Thanks for the video - I have a Woodpecker's MFT replacement table that I need to add a sacrificial fence on - great job!
I bought the Woodpeckers extension fence recently. I have a contractor-style table saw and the addition of the extension fence is great! I cut very thin strips to place under the fence and clamp blocks to use as spacers when adding the extension to the saw. It helps the entire fence slide easily for setup. Next Project: Sacrificial Strip for my homemade "MFT-XL". 😊
Hi Peter, Good idea to have a sacrificial strip, I like it, I will also watch Marks ( Start making ) video when it's out. As always a great video, hope you get a speedy recovery with your wrist catch you soon Take care
I've always wondered (not in a deep way) why not just cut into the original top first time round, then install a sacrificial strip when it needs doing. Save MDF; save the planet. Being a RUclipsr of significant reputation I would be willing to bet that you are behind a great many 8'x4' sheets are being sacrificed 1 round earlier than is necessary. And before you ask, yes I have a sacrificial strip, and yes it was there from the outset. This is all just hindsight!! Thanks for the content as usual Mr.TMW 👍
Seems rather unlikely to me that you're going to save the planet by not installing a thin sacrificial strip right away. If it makes you happy to think that it will, though, good for you.
You can do that of course, but I’ve always found having the strip there gives you a mindset - a boundary if you like - about where and how deep the cut should be. 👍
Thanks Peter, handy to see just how you go about this process as it really needs to be s a snug fit, I presume you do it before the top gets scored from use to make it easier to cut accurately ? I hope the wrist is better soon !
Just did this recently on my metabo mft, I used 57mm wide flattening bit on my makita trim router and all I can say is that the mdf dust is something else, it was all over the 50m2 shop, 10min to cut but 1 hour to clean up everything 😅
As well as the foreseeable dust from such an agressive cut you then presumably had to make the strip fit the slot. Note that by Peter's method the slot is cut to fit the strip.
You're gonna make the case for me buying the table saw, ugh! Yeah, I've never been able to bring myself to cut into the tops of my MFTs. Lately I've been using short (5mm) bench dogs to rest my work pieces on top of (appropriately clamped) and then clamping a strip of 5mm underlayment under the cut line. I'll need to see if I can be brave enough to try your method. Thanks for showing us how to do it!
Depends what you're cutting, those 'bench cookies' can work well on thicker boards, but better to have thinner material fully supported, I always think! 👍
Excellent and succinct demo; thank you. Impressed with the Bow fence extender fitted to the CSC 50. Did you mention it is steel? I presumed it would be aluminium. Certainly gave useful extra utility to the compact table saw as demonstrated. I think the Bow range of accessories are also available in the UK from Woodworkers Workshop. Worth comparing the prices. I presume yours is the 48" version. Have you tried fitting the Bow featherboard too?
Thanks Nick. This is the 36” Bow Xtender though I also have the 48”. There are links to Taylor Tools, Axminster and Woodworkers Workshop in the description, though WwW don’t seem to actually have any stock just now. And yes it’s steel - good for magnets but heavy! I have the feather boards but haven’t tried them yet. 👍
I'm considering learning fusion 360 to design a custom top incorporating this, and the bench dogs holes for their hinge and a router table insert. Going to be a while before I can afford to do all I want to do!
Peter with careful positioning could the strip be rotated 180 degrees horizontally to provide a second cut line? Further if it were thicker and turned over it would give two more cut lines.
At some point, that can be turned around so you can cut the other side to shreds. Who knows, perhaps you can turn it over and go two more rounds. With n extra 10-15 strip and a wider trenche, swap the skinny one and the fat one for even more fun.
I have to admit that I am put off by the weight of the steel, especially the 46" version. Also the CSC SYS is compact so where would I store the fence till needed, being tight for storage and work space? Given the max depth of cut of the CSC SYS at 47 mm compared with the height of the Bow fence extender it occured to me that an aluminium spirit level with parallel machined edges laid on its side could be clamped to the fence and achieve the same, albeit without the infeed or outfeed support. I already have the spirit level so just need to figure out the feed support.
Have you or do you plan to compare aftermarket replacement blade for plongesaw ? I want to buy a new blade for my TS55 and the festool branded ones are super expensives compared to even reputable brand such as CMT. So i wondered if that realy worth it or if it's just paying for the green badge ?
Hi, excellent video thanks for sharing. I’m planning on doing this when i get my MTF soon, so the timing is perfect. Two questions please, with the offset sacrificial piece, can it be turned around when it’s worn out, so the cut piece that you’ve been cutting into is under the rail, theoretically doubling the life of the strip? Secondly, where can i purchase some of that double sided tape please? It’s far better than the one I’ve been using lately. Keep up the great work Regards Ian
Thanks. In my experience it’s rarely worth the effort to turn the strip around - easier just to make a new one. The tape is listed in my ‘top tapes’ video, link in the description under the ‘related videos’ heading.👍
Does is make sense to make a strip on a Fresh bench? It seems a little silly to remove/destroy a part of the top to stop it getting damaged, of course after some use replacing the worn part with the strip would be sensible but beyond aesthetics is the strip doing anything a fresh bench top wouldn't?
It establishes a pattern and reminds you not to cut deeper than a couple of mm beyond the material thickness. But you can of course, do whatever you want. 👍
@10MinuteWorkshop that makes sense. Lovely addition I will be adding to my own mft, just curious about it on a new bench. Thanks though. Great content as always 👏
This week would have been the ideal time to have done the budget Plunge saw roundup, not least because it’s Black Friday and Rutlands have their saw on offer at £120 including track!
I don't understand. You replaced a good 50mm section of mdf with a good piece of mdf. Why not use the table for a year and when it looks tatty there replace the 50mm strip?
You can do whatever you like of course, but think of the strip as setting boundaries; you know where the cut needs to be, how wide and how deep. And no more. 👍
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Brilliant work, Peter! 😃
Thanks a bunch for all the tips!
I hope you have a speed recovery!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thank you, you too! 👍
Another brilliant and informative video, thanks again Peter
Many thanks 👍
Nice share yet again. Hope your recovery goes well. Happy Holidays and thanks for a good years worth of videos.
Thank you very much! You too! 👍
Another great video Peter! I have used your idea of a sacrificial strip a couple of times before but i have to say i made it a lot harder for myself than you have demonstrated. Once again valuable tips that seem simple once you know them.
Thank you! 👍
Thanks so much Peter for this hope all goes ok
Nicely done as usual, Peter. Very much looking forward to your cabinet build for the CSC SYS50!
Cheers Eddy! It’s coming… 👍
Holy cow - I never thought about this!! Such a great idea! Thank you for sharing!!
No problem! 👍
Great idea and I’m not sure why I didn’t think of doing that
Great tip~! If the kerf is far enough to one side, I would think that you could rotate the strip 180° when it gets a bit worn out. Just a thought...
Thanks! Only works if you never make a bevel cut, but sure. 👍
Suprising to see how the chips hit your back wall for the entire length of the pull pass with the router even with dust collection on! Just goes to show how important dust collection and respirators are.
@@gingerelvis Yes, that had me wondering if the dust collection was actually switched on 😂
There’s a part missing from this router that would improve dust collection - I just haven’t replaced it yet. But these kind of long grooves are always a challenge for dust extraction as the nature of the channel is to direct the dust out the end like a chute. 👍
I recommend using a spiral up-cut cutter. It is incomparably better at sucking up sawdust while milling. It also produces better-made edges.
Yes, when you take roughly 200 grams of mdf and turn it into visible and invisible particles and spread it out in the air, there is some cleaning to be done. A dust mask would have been a good choice.
Gute Besserung with your hand, Peter from Nuremberg, Germany
Danke! Best wishes from London! 👍
I recommend using a spiral up-cut cutter. It is incomparably better at sucking up sawdust while milling. It also produces better-made edges.
In my experience the top bearing does away with any benefit from the spiral bit, but yes, I agree that a carbide spiral bit is preferable. 👍
Peter. Please can you provide a comprehensive round up, comparison and overall analysis of all your videos on MDF cabinet joinery. By Sunday PM. I WILL find you on your socials if not.😆
Thanks for all your amazing videos. So helpful!. 🙏
Great suggestion! I’ve put them all in a playlist… 😂👍
I was thinking about an extension fence for my Festool table saw - Woodpecker's has just come out with one as well that I THINK would work about like this - not as big, aluminum, and less than half the price. But this one is bigger and probably more stable-feeling. I WISH that someone would come out with a version of this with some kind of micro-adjustment. It's not an easy thing to get the fence to be exactly where you want. Bench Dog did a nice job on the miter fence extension - now if someone could come up with a way to add even a half-inch of micro-adjustment on that fence, I'd pick it up pretty quickly. Thanks for the video - I have a Woodpecker's MFT replacement table that I need to add a sacrificial fence on - great job!
Thanks! That’s a great idea. +/- 12mm of micro-adjustment would make a world of difference to this saw! 👍
I bought the Woodpeckers extension fence recently. I have a contractor-style table saw and the addition of the extension fence is great! I cut very thin strips to place under the fence and clamp blocks to use as spacers when adding the extension to the saw. It helps the entire fence slide easily for setup.
Next Project:
Sacrificial Strip for my homemade "MFT-XL". 😊
Hi Peter, Good idea to have a sacrificial strip, I like it, I will also watch Marks ( Start making ) video when it's out. As always a great video, hope you get a speedy recovery with your wrist catch you soon Take care
Cheers Shaun! Have to take it easy for the wrist to recover I think! 👍
I've always wondered (not in a deep way) why not just cut into the original top first time round, then install a sacrificial strip when it needs doing. Save MDF; save the planet. Being a RUclipsr of significant reputation I would be willing to bet that you are behind a great many 8'x4' sheets are being sacrificed 1 round earlier than is necessary. And before you ask, yes I have a sacrificial strip, and yes it was there from the outset. This is all just hindsight!! Thanks for the content as usual Mr.TMW 👍
Seems rather unlikely to me that you're going to save the planet by not installing a thin sacrificial strip right away. If it makes you happy to think that it will, though, good for you.
You can do that of course, but I’ve always found having the strip there gives you a mindset - a boundary if you like - about where and how deep the cut should be. 👍
I like it, looks like if the fit on the sacrificial strip is sloppier than the "Millard fit" a little double stick tape would be the remedy.
Thanks Peter, handy to see just how you go about this process as it really needs to be s a snug fit, I presume you do it before the top gets scored from use to make it easier to cut accurately ? I hope the wrist is better soon !
Thanks! Yes, that’s exactly it. 👍
Just did this recently on my metabo mft, I used 57mm wide flattening bit on my makita trim router and all I can say is that the mdf dust is something else, it was all over the 50m2 shop, 10min to cut but 1 hour to clean up everything 😅
@@riba2233 how do you keep your rail in place? hinge or dogs?
@@sjakie0420 I made myself a hinge but I also got some dogs just in case
As well as the foreseeable dust from such an agressive cut you then presumably had to make the strip fit the slot. Note that by Peter's method the slot is cut to fit the strip.
@@nickdawson9270 true! It wasn't too hard to fit though, I set my cut with the router bit I used.
You can see in the video that, even with the dust extraction connected, Peter is still producing a lot of dust 🙂
You're gonna make the case for me buying the table saw, ugh! Yeah, I've never been able to bring myself to cut into the tops of my MFTs. Lately I've been using short (5mm) bench dogs to rest my work pieces on top of (appropriately clamped) and then clamping a strip of 5mm underlayment under the cut line. I'll need to see if I can be brave enough to try your method. Thanks for showing us how to do it!
Depends what you're cutting, those 'bench cookies' can work well on thicker boards, but better to have thinner material fully supported, I always think! 👍
Nec carpet tape ❤ tape of champions ❤
Love it! 👍
If you never need to make bevel cuts you could fit T track under the cut line which should never need to be replaced.
@@slyfondle1885 But I think the objective here is to have a zero kerf strip to help prevent chip out.
Yep, or just route a groove - or just cut into the top. 🤷♂️👍
Ps - looking forward to the CSC SYS build. I love mine; not sure how I managed before it
Same here! 👍👍
The mft tabble top that you have there, where did you get it from or how did you make that specific one with the multiple mft holes in it?
It’s a bench from Benchdog Tools, full video here - Benchdogs Ultra MFT Workstation - ruclips.net/video/9H-cQbR-79w/видео.html
by accident i made mine 50mm---thanx peter rick
Happy accident! 😃👍
Excellent and succinct demo; thank you. Impressed with the Bow fence extender fitted to the CSC 50. Did you mention it is steel? I presumed it would be aluminium. Certainly gave useful extra utility to the compact table saw as demonstrated. I think the Bow range of accessories are also available in the UK from Woodworkers Workshop. Worth comparing the prices. I presume yours is the 48" version. Have you tried fitting the Bow featherboard too?
Thanks Nick. This is the 36” Bow Xtender though I also have the 48”. There are links to Taylor Tools, Axminster and Woodworkers Workshop in the description, though WwW don’t seem to actually have any stock just now. And yes it’s steel - good for magnets but heavy! I have the feather boards but haven’t tried them yet. 👍
Month before, when i got my Metabos, i really really wanted to install sacrificial strips....
It is time now 😇
It is Michael! 👍 😂
I'm considering learning fusion 360 to design a custom top incorporating this, and the bench dogs holes for their hinge and a router table insert.
Going to be a while before I can afford to do all I want to do!
(and get it CNC'd)
Fusion would be overkill. Autocad or something similar would work well. You could even just write it in gcode if you’re feeling frisky.
@@atomicsmith I'd start with TinkerCAD - it's free and easy.
Peter with careful positioning could the strip be rotated 180 degrees horizontally to provide a second cut line? Further if it were thicker and turned over it would give two more cut lines.
In my experience it isn’t worth the effort - it’s the work of a moment to cut a new strip. 👍
Great video as always. Hope your wrist gets better soon, take care.
Thank you! 👍
At some point, that can be turned around so you can cut the other side to shreds. Who knows, perhaps you can turn it over and go two more rounds.
With n extra 10-15 strip and a wider trenche, swap the skinny one and the fat one for even more fun.
Not worth the effort in my experience - easier to simply cut a new one. 👍
I have to admit that I am put off by the weight of the steel, especially the 46" version. Also the CSC SYS is compact so where would I store the fence till needed, being tight for storage and work space? Given the max depth of cut of the CSC SYS at 47 mm compared with the height of the Bow fence extender it occured to me that an aluminium spirit level with parallel machined edges laid on its side could be clamped to the fence and achieve the same, albeit without the infeed or outfeed support. I already have the spirit level so just need to figure out the feed support.
Clamp a piece of plywood to it. 👍
Have you or do you plan to compare aftermarket replacement blade for plongesaw ? I want to buy a new blade for my TS55 and the festool branded ones are super expensives compared to even reputable brand such as CMT. So i wondered if that realy worth it or if it's just paying for the green badge ?
Hi, excellent video thanks for sharing.
I’m planning on doing this when i get my MTF soon, so the timing is perfect.
Two questions please, with the offset sacrificial piece, can it be turned around when it’s worn out, so the cut piece that you’ve been cutting into is under the rail, theoretically doubling the life of the strip?
Secondly, where can i purchase some of that double sided tape please? It’s far better than the one I’ve been using lately.
Keep up the great work
Regards
Ian
Thanks. In my experience it’s rarely worth the effort to turn the strip around - easier just to make a new one. The tape is listed in my ‘top tapes’ video, link in the description under the ‘related videos’ heading.👍
@ great, thanks for the reply
Every month , another injury Peter . Welcome to the world of the active sixty something....
And they hurt too! 😂😂
What are you using to make the strip? It doesn't appear to be mdf.
It is mdf ;)
It’s MR or Moisture Resistant MDF - a much better board for not much more money.👍
Quality vid as ever. Do you have a link for the flush trim bit that will give you some affiliate silver? Cheers
Thanks for asking ! This one is pretty close - amzn.to/3CHu938 (1/4” shank instead of 8mm 👍)
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks Peter. I like Trend bits. Purchased. Have a lovely weekend
Does is make sense to make a strip on a Fresh bench? It seems a little silly to remove/destroy a part of the top to stop it getting damaged, of course after some use replacing the worn part with the strip would be sensible but beyond aesthetics is the strip doing anything a fresh bench top wouldn't?
It establishes a pattern and reminds you not to cut deeper than a couple of mm beyond the material thickness. But you can of course, do whatever you want. 👍
@10MinuteWorkshop that makes sense. Lovely addition I will be adding to my own mft, just curious about it on a new bench. Thanks though. Great content as always 👏
testing tools for left handed and one handed use?
Could be a whole new channel!
This week would have been the ideal time to have done the budget Plunge saw roundup, not least because it’s Black Friday and Rutlands have their saw on offer at £120 including track!
Sale’s still on next weekend, just sayin’. 👍
Wow, thanks for the QUICK reply!
Granted but a review this week would have enabled people to assess the options before the sale ends next week 😅
I don't understand. You replaced a good 50mm section of mdf with a good piece of mdf. Why not use the table for a year and when it looks tatty there replace the 50mm strip?
He's demonstrating how to cut and fit the strip accurately. Would'nt be much use keeping us waiting for a year!
😂👍
You can do whatever you like of course, but think of the strip as setting boundaries; you know where the cut needs to be, how wide and how deep. And no more. 👍
8:40 mark he tells you the exact reason!
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Dear Peter, I wrote you, but you still ain’t callin’
I left my cell, my pager and my home phone at the bottom
I sent two letters back in autumn, you must not’ve got ’em
There probably was a problem at the post office or somethin’
Sorry Stan, I'm sure that must be why... 👍 😂
@@10MinuteWorkshop 🤣👏