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Thanks for the video. A simple fix for the side to side adjustment, is a gauge block for the 6, 8 and 10. Put the gauge block on one side and adjust it, then move it to the other side and adjust. Go to table saw and cut your gauge block, 3D print.
People who can afford Festool will still buy a domino. People who were never going to buy Festool are the potential customers for Kreg's MortiseMate. Therefore, it's not really a "Domino killer", just a more affordable option for people who weren't going to have a Domino at all.
they're losing sleep over everyone else eating their lunch. They can't compete in cordless tools, they're going to be irrelevant outside of their half a dozen niche solutions.
I broke down and bought a Domino about 2.5 years ago to build my first high grade (QS White Oak) bedroom furniture. It hurt. I admit it. But the pain is gone now, and I can’t honestly say I’m glad to have the ease and versatility of the Domino after watching this.
Cool thing. Just checked prices over here in Germany. €400 - on Black Friday Sale!!! I think if I really need such tool, I will go with the real Domino :)
Having had a Domino for years this looks like it will be a lot slower creating the mortise. This will probably be a good solution for a weekend woodworker.
I wait for Makita Domino, Festools Domino patents expire 2024 , so competitors should be on market with own models 2025. Lemello biscuit jointer was only copied by Makita , Bosch and DeWalt from big brand names
Not even I think. It's easier and cheaper to just make a router jig. I'm convinced 731 woodworks stopped woodworking a long time ago and just craps out 3 videos a week with products he hasn't really used.
I said this before, best alternative to dominos are dowels. Same strength, just different look. Get Dowelmax and you will get speed, accuracy and ease of use including 45 miters. There is no need to mimic domino and get a clumsy solution.
I use the updated jessem dowel jig and think it’s great for the money. For hobbyists the $1,100 difference between dowel jigs and domino is better spent on other tools.
God bless you too! But I won't be subscribing - I don't feel a lot of what was said was actually an honest impression. There are a lot of reviewers out there... Wearing a T-shirt with a Cross on it doesn't automatically mean they are reliable.
@ yea I agree, there are a lot of them out there, but I don’t think he’s one of them; I’ve been watching his uploads for a few years now. His farmhouse build walkthroughs was how I got started and he’s a former trooper, so as a vet I appreciate that as well as him being a man of god, you should check out some of his older material! There’s some good stuff.
They worked with jessem for this, I personally almost bought the jessem a couple of years ago but my friend talked me into just getting the domino. He had spent all this money on this jig and that jig but wasnt happy until he had got the domino.
I'm a roofer by trade, but do a lot of DIY carpentry at home. This looks like most other Kreg tools in that it's geared more for guys like me, not your trade pros. That said, it looks great for MY purposes. Thanks!
Let’s call this a 1st prototype. Hopefully Kreg listens to customer feedback and gives us a few updated versions down the road. This has potential with a few minor upgrades. Similar to what they did with their pocket-hole jigs. Awesome product review as always! 😎❤️
The question isn't why companies keep trying to sell joinery methods that are worse and more expensive than dowels, but why people keep falling for them.
Looked up the domino/Kreg tenon pricing, for the 6x20x40mm/1.5" tenons on both, you have to buy 2.5 boxes of Kreg to match the $31 box of 190 Festool and save $4. For the big 1140 box of Festool for $119 you need 15.2 boxes of Kreg for $167. JessEm's Tenon Stock is sold at 6 12" lengths for $10 you have to cut for yourself at 8 1.5" per stick, which comes to about $40 to match a 190 pack of dominoes and almost $240 to get 1140. So if you're looking to buy loose tenons in bulk, Festool is actually going to be a better deal for better fitting tenons. Another option on this is that Woodpeckers has a mortising base attachment for plunge routers currently on sale for $170. That plus a whiteside 1/4sh/6mm spiral upcut bit comes to ~$200. Takes a little more setup, but does the same things.
Love your stuff Matt! Truly appreciate your videos, have binged watched tons of them and put them on when working in the shop. Learned a ton and really appreciate the tool reviews , they really do help me pick up gear. Thank you sir !
Here's a tip for either this product or the Domino. You can make your own custom width tenons on your thicknesser. I did this on a breadboard end table top and 1st time success. Works a treat 🇦🇺
I got the kreg pocket hole tool as it was suggested with some desk plans I wanted to build. Absolutely loved it. Never thought I'd have so many uses for it but I've done so many projects with it now. Desks, tables, stools, noodleboards. Kreg makes a lot of tools I want now.
They do make a pretty good pocket jig. Mostly it is fairly inexpensive, pretty decent versatility, and fairly good joinery. All that makes it a pretty good value. The pros will use different gear for most cabinetry. Part of the reason is because they can make the pocket holes faster - but also stronger. The Castle 110 is probably the best for strong pocket hole joints but the cost is much higher, you can't get plugs for the holes, you can't use it on thick material (like a 2x4), its use is just a little bit more involved, and its router makes an unholy racket when compared to the drill motor you use with the Kreg jig.
Great video! 🎉 99% of all woodworkers don’t know about this Game Changing Domino Killer!! 😂 But for real, this is a great option for the DIY/weekend woodworker wanting to use mortise and tenon but lack the budget to spring for a Festool.
The Wood Whisperer did a review as well. He found out that Kreg and Jessem worked together on this. His main gripe was the stability that could cause some slop. Not a big deal with the weekend warrior but maybe not for precise projects.
Love the Kreg pocket hole makers...I'm a general contractor, so I've done like two mortices ( door locks) in my career...This looks like a good tool for those that use mortise and tenon...Thanks for the review.
Ditto. I bought the Porter Cable Biscuit joiner I saw Norm using all the time. I still have tubes of biscuits from back then. I have to pull them out and see if they still work or if humidity swelled them. I haven't used it in 20 years but if I ever need it, I know right where it's sitting
You could drill a hole in one of the edges of the plywood and slide the long side of the allen wrench in the whole. The hole would probably wear out over time, but it would work. Great video man.
That festool is amazing, this jig can't compare.. But if you can't afford the festool, the kreg is something you could use but it's goi g to be a lot of fiddling and will take a lot more time. The festool going to give you results you can accomplish quickly and be confident about. Thanks for the video
I saw this in person at the Boston Tools and Tailgates events in the Woodcraft stores. I liked the almost all metal composition of the tool and the whole setup (great to clamp to your bench). I have a dowel jig but I look forward to adding this to my shop until I save up for a domino.
Good review, very helpful, thank you. It's kind of tempting at first blush, but I have a DowelMax already. I'm not quite convinced this tool would be better then that. The DowelMax is movable like the domino, Dowel pins are cheaper. Two (or three, four, or five) dowel pins side by side provide pretty much the same strength and alignment. I also think moving the tool to the workpiece (as the Festool and DowelMax do) has a lot of advantages over moving the work piece to the tool.
Reading reviews before commenting, I find that I'm with the majority. 300 bucks of silliness. Tools have followed the kitchen tool game. When does the Veg-o-Matic come out?
It's nice to see what different options are available for joinery. Although, it doesn't seem like these small tenons are any better than just using a slot cutter on a router and milling your own splines. Basic splines are faster, cheaper, stronger and easier to align.
I don’t think many diyer’s have 500.00 for a tool we may use every 3-4 months. We all appreciate your videos and do learn from them, just please keep in mind our little home shops don’t have $ 250,000 in tools in them.
Another way to align the side stops would be to use a t-stop ruler or vernier calipers against the side of the jig then adjust the stops so the bit hits the stop/ caliper at the same distance on both sides.
As a DIYer I still spent the money ont he DF700 for the efficiency and ability to use it like a 500 (with the Seneca kit).. it just seems like its going to always be much faster, easier and produce the best quality mortises for joinery.
So I finally got around to using my DF700 with the Seneca kit.. was gluing up some 3/4" boards to make it wider. Works a treat. But I will say, being a big guy.. this tool gets tiring to use after about 10 to 20 pushes of it. lol. Now.. to be fair I was not resting the bottom on a flat surface to alleviate the weight, so I was using it in the air so to speak. I also have to practice more to make sure I line things up right. I was off on a couple of mortises and had to remortise a few wider. I think there is a switch or something on the device that will cut them wider for you, but have to go back and watch how to use it again lol. But very cool to just glue the tenons in, and see everything line up (once the off ones were widened).
I could see myself using a small setup block(s) on both sides of the little indexing pins for consistency, but you're right that ideally it would keep everything centered and adjust both sides at the exact same rate. Still, to save $1,200 it seems very worth it.
New and fancy. But Aliexpress already sells a nice mortise jig with sliders for laminate routers for $55. And a lam router at Walmart is $25. If your goal is to have a $1700 Festool or a $300 Kreg, then go for it. If your goal is to cut aligned mortises for low cost, then...
Allen Key Storage: Get some rubber or plastic tubing that the key fits snugly in, then drill a hole in one of the edges of the plywood base big enough to accept the tubing and deep enough for the key to slide all the way in. Finish up by using CA glue to secure the tubing and Bob's your uncle.
I would have had all the tenons cut with the festool by the time you cut two with this thing. I’m not a festool fanboy but i completed jobs to get a couple of their tools and the track saw and domino are pretty great
@@RRYAN905 Not true. There is a smaller diameter cutter with 4 teeth that has to be swapped in. You ALSO have to adjust the plunge depth. Compare the size of an FF biscuit to the 0, 10 and 20, and you can immediately tell the radius is smaller. The only way to get that is with a smaller cutter.
Nice jig but are "Kreg-Ino's better than appropriately sized dowels? I use a dowel jig and it is quick and easy. Plus, dead-nuts accurate. This seems unnecessarily complicated and time-consuming.
The Festool and Kreg dominos shown appeara to be quite different in density (and probably strength) The Festool tenon appears to be compressed wood - beech perhaps while the Kreg is from fast growing (and low density wood) based ont eh many large xylem vessels in section.
a little locktite would keep the end cutter in the shank !! maybe scribe matching depth marks on the side screws at least??? also a screw knob to raise and lower the table might be nice!! Have Fun
Turn buckles use right-handed threads on one end of the screw & left-handed on the opposite end. That would solve the centering problem. It would use one threaded shaft to move both ends simultaneously to always maintain centered. Scissors jacks use the same principle to raise a car straight up. When you crank the screw it pulls or pushes the two ends together or apart simultaneously.
Seems like you could clamp your workpiece down and flip this little device upside down on top of your workpiece, much like theFestool. I suppose it still needs a clamp but I think something could be screwed to the base plate that would make that fairly quick and easy. Definitely something to consider for us weekend Warriors. Of course, I've been using dowels for years and they worked pretty well.
Centering the cutout is an easy design fix. one set screw in the middle with springs on each size (same size and strength). having the outside guide move instead of the set screw stopper. that will make it auto center by just adjusting one set screw. It's great to beat the price and all, but you are buying a tool like this to be perfect. Eyeballing it isn't in the job description. Fix that, and the drill bits not falling out looks pretty solid.
I’ve just looked up price in uk £280 for jig and £56 for replacement bits. I thought £80 max would be the price point. I will stick with my dowel jig that cost £20 !
I watched your review and also Wood Whisperers video too.I am still saving up for a domino :D .Until then i will use my doweling jig which cost me 20bucks with 3 drill bits and a ton of dowels. Every manufacturer wants a piece of that sweet domino pie and we get a ton of "killers" but they are not even close.
Was able to test this a couple months ago. there is a set up process and you do have to force the handle side to side when drilling to acivate the drilling step, It's not perfect but it is a cost effected way for beginners to make floating tennons without purcasing a Festool Domino.
I run a production shop. I bought a Domino on the day they were released 20 or so years ago. I use my it nearly every day and if it broke, I'd buy another that day.
I appreciate that Kreg is offering a quality product for folks that are looking for something like this. That being said. I don't think I would choose to purchase this over a quality dowling jig. In fact, it seems like a good dowling jig would actually be less fiddly to use and I can just use generic dowels instead of having to buy special Kreg tenons. In the end, it seems more clap-trappy than a dowling jig and slower than an actual domino.
It seems like an easy way to center would be to cut a mortice. Measure exact center and mark top. Clamp to line up center lines then set the bit to touch each side
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The JeesEm Pocket Mill Pro is on sale on their website for $319.00. I think it's a better choose. I have had mine for over a year, and it works great without all the adjustments. Kreg does make good products, too.
This looks like a very cool tool, but for now I think I will stick with my dowel jigs. One alteration that I would probably make is make a duplicate base out of good quality wood or MDF , maybe 1 inch thick then cut grooves in it that would accommodate the Micro jig clamps. This would make the base nice and sturdy so you wouldn't have to screw it down to your bench.
I bet if you mount this to a mobile workbench you can work around the clumsiness. Better yet, set it up to hinge down below the bench surface to keep the bench functional.
The “game changer” aspect of the domino is that you can sell it for 90% of what you paid. Even if you buy it and decide you hate it 6 months later you’ll get almost all of your money back. The used market is crazy on those things.
The real question is, how much more advantageous is the compared to two dowels? drilling 4 holes is going to be faster and easier to index than a slot cutter that can be unintentionally offset to one side or the other.
All the strength is in the glue on the face of the tenon, not on the sides. Similar to a biscuit joiner. So a slightly wider mortise will allow you to adjust during glue up.
For larger panels, could you use the tool upside down, using the top surface as the reference? That might be easier than trying to shim it well enough to use it conventionally.
Thanks, Matt, for bringing the tool to our attention, wonderful review. For my money think a doweling jointer is a better option. Freud made what looked like a good mid priced (around $500) one but discontinued it over 10 years ago. The only one I can find in the same price range is from a company called Virutex that looks good, more of an industrial tool in the same class as a Domino, but at less than half the price. However, I am not quite ready to pull the trigger as the company name is unknown to me. MaFell has 2 doweling jointers at $1300+, not going to pay that. And, the doweling jointers under $200 or so just don't have good reviews. Still, I see a mid priced doweling jointer as the "Domino killer" for those who prefer dowels and want an automation path. Until then, I still use and really enjoy my DowelMax, as the precision has never let me down. However, for plowing out a bunch of holes for dowels, sure wish I had something more automated at a reasonable cost. Thanks for your review!!!
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Agreed
Thanks for the video.
A simple fix for the side to side adjustment, is a gauge block for the 6, 8 and 10. Put the gauge block on one side and adjust it, then move it to the other side and adjust. Go to table saw and cut your gauge block, 3D print.
I don't think anyone at Festool are losing any sleep over this one, but it's always good to see companies innovate. We win in the end
People who can afford Festool will still buy a domino. People who were never going to buy Festool are the potential customers for Kreg's MortiseMate. Therefore, it's not really a "Domino killer", just a more affordable option for people who weren't going to have a Domino at all.
Good home-gamer option
they're losing sleep over everyone else eating their lunch. They can't compete in cordless tools, they're going to be irrelevant outside of their half a dozen niche solutions.
I broke down and bought a Domino about 2.5 years ago to build my first high grade (QS White Oak) bedroom furniture. It hurt. I admit it. But the pain is gone now, and I can’t honestly say I’m glad to have the ease and versatility of the Domino after watching this.
Cool thing. Just checked prices over here in Germany. €400 - on Black Friday Sale!!! I think if I really need such tool, I will go with the real Domino :)
Which website is this on? Fellow European from Ireland
I was wondering a similar thing. I think it's quite overpriced for what it is. A dowelmax may be a bit more cumbersome, but seems equally valid
$1200 for the domino 😅
the more domino killers I see the more Im convinced I need a domino and not a cheap alternative
Exactly
Unless you get a pantorouter
@@Cessna172G I would love me one
once you go green, you will never go back.
Me too, but I'll stick to dowels. They're affordable, *stronger*, and more accessible.
Having had a Domino for years this looks like it will be a lot slower creating the mortise. This will probably be a good solution for a weekend woodworker.
I wait for Makita Domino, Festools Domino patents expire 2024 , so competitors should be on market with own models 2025.
Lemello biscuit jointer was only copied by Makita , Bosch and DeWalt from big brand names
Not even I think. It's easier and cheaper to just make a router jig. I'm convinced 731 woodworks stopped woodworking a long time ago and just craps out 3 videos a week with products he hasn't really used.
Agree , this looks like a massive pain in the arse compared to festool
As a weekend warrior, i saved up for a domino.
This is nice, but i agree, nice product but time consuming.
I do like that it doesn’t require power.
Weekend woodworker here…I’d rather have a Domino, saving up for one now.
I got mine a couple days ago, and yours is the first video I've seen where someone took the time to show assembly and dialing it in. Thanks!
Glad to be of help!
I said this before, best alternative to dominos are dowels. Same strength, just different look. Get Dowelmax and you will get speed, accuracy and ease of use including 45 miters. There is no need to mimic domino and get a clumsy solution.
Agreed.
@@ST-0311^^^^^^
Hands down. In fact I’ve watched a strength comparison (we all know how those go who knows how accurate they are) but the dowel was strongest joint.
100% agree. In fact, I think they are better because the dowels are spread over a wider area.
I use the updated jessem dowel jig and think it’s great for the money. For hobbyists the $1,100 difference between dowel jigs and domino is better spent on other tools.
Love it man. Keep doing what you do, there’s never any information that you put out that doesn’t help somebody out there, god bless!
Appreciate the support!
God bless you too! But I won't be subscribing - I don't feel a lot of what was said was actually an honest impression.
There are a lot of reviewers out there... Wearing a T-shirt with a Cross on it doesn't automatically mean they are reliable.
@ yea I agree, there are a lot of them out there, but I don’t think he’s one of them; I’ve been watching his uploads for a few years now. His farmhouse build walkthroughs was how I got started and he’s a former trooper, so as a vet I appreciate that as well as him being a man of god, you should check out some of his older material! There’s some good stuff.
They worked with jessem for this, I personally almost bought the jessem a couple of years ago but my friend talked me into just getting the domino. He had spent all this money on this jig and that jig but wasnt happy until he had got the domino.
"That's foolish. You use the one right tool for the job". Anton Chigurh, No Country for Old Men
@ well it turns out that the domino was the right tool for all those jobs and then some. It hasn’t sat in the systainer or any other drawer unused.
I'm a roofer by trade, but do a lot of DIY carpentry at home. This looks like most other Kreg tools in that it's geared more for guys like me, not your trade pros. That said, it looks great for MY purposes. Thanks!
Fellow roofer by trade and I diy carpentry as well. I feel the same
Let’s call this a 1st prototype. Hopefully Kreg listens to customer feedback and gives us a few updated versions down the road. This has potential with a few minor upgrades. Similar to what they did with their pocket-hole jigs. Awesome product review as always! 😎❤️
Thanx, all i needed to know to actually buy a festool domino!
The question isn't why companies keep trying to sell joinery methods that are worse and more expensive than dowels, but why people keep falling for them.
I love my Porter Cable biscuit joiner.
Same here with my Harbor Freight one for a fifth of the price, built a great kitchen including 1/2" ply drawers using 00's...
Looked up the domino/Kreg tenon pricing, for the 6x20x40mm/1.5" tenons on both, you have to buy 2.5 boxes of Kreg to match the $31 box of 190 Festool and save $4. For the big 1140 box of Festool for $119 you need 15.2 boxes of Kreg for $167. JessEm's Tenon Stock is sold at 6 12" lengths for $10 you have to cut for yourself at 8 1.5" per stick, which comes to about $40 to match a 190 pack of dominoes and almost $240 to get 1140.
So if you're looking to buy loose tenons in bulk, Festool is actually going to be a better deal for better fitting tenons.
Another option on this is that Woodpeckers has a mortising base attachment for plunge routers currently on sale for $170. That plus a whiteside 1/4sh/6mm spiral upcut bit comes to ~$200. Takes a little more setup, but does the same things.
Thanks for doing the math. I appreciate that!
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I'm so glad you're finding them useful!
For the once or twice a year I might think about wanting to domino join two pieces, the Kreg is a cost effective solution. Thanks for the review.
Here's a tip for either this product or the Domino. You can make your own custom width tenons on your thicknesser. I did this on a breadboard end table top and 1st time success. Works a treat 🇦🇺
Enjoy your videos, but PLEASE stop with the whole "Game Over" thumbnails. It's just obnoxious.
Its for the clicks. Annoying yes but it's great for getting engagement
Snap!! Game over!
the clickbait titles are just as offputting: "XYZ Killer?" "Total Gamechanger??!"
The price you pay for FREE content! 😀
Agree
I got the kreg pocket hole tool as it was suggested with some desk plans I wanted to build. Absolutely loved it. Never thought I'd have so many uses for it but I've done so many projects with it now. Desks, tables, stools, noodleboards. Kreg makes a lot of tools I want now.
They do make a pretty good pocket jig. Mostly it is fairly inexpensive, pretty decent versatility, and fairly good joinery. All that makes it a pretty good value.
The pros will use different gear for most cabinetry. Part of the reason is because they can make the pocket holes faster - but also stronger.
The Castle 110 is probably the best for strong pocket hole joints but the cost is much higher, you can't get plugs for the holes, you can't use it on thick material (like a 2x4), its use is just a little bit more involved, and its router makes an unholy racket when compared to the drill motor you use with the Kreg jig.
Great video! 🎉 99% of all woodworkers don’t know about this Game Changing Domino Killer!! 😂 But for real, this is a great option for the DIY/weekend woodworker wanting to use mortise and tenon but lack the budget to spring for a Festool.
The products from Kreg are really, really good.
I've seen a review on this which points out the excessive slop in the mortises with the dominos provided.
Like its loose?
Me too. And as a tooling machinist who makes assemblies, I'm not a fan of it.
man this Kreg guy just doesnt miss
The whole USP of the Domino system is that it's fast and accurate, this thing looks little better than a dowel jig so it isn't killing anything.
The Wood Whisperer did a review as well. He found out that Kreg and Jessem worked together on this. His main gripe was the stability that could cause some slop. Not a big deal with the weekend warrior but maybe not for precise projects.
Love the Kreg pocket hole makers...I'm a general contractor, so I've done like two mortices ( door locks) in my career...This looks like a good tool for those that use mortise and tenon...Thanks for the review.
Thank you very much
You did a GREAT job explaining everything
I am going to get one
I still have and use the biscuit tool that I bought back in the 80s
Ditto. I bought the Porter Cable Biscuit joiner I saw Norm using all the time. I still have tubes of biscuits from back then. I have to pull them out and see if they still work or if humidity swelled them. I haven't used it in 20 years but if I ever need it, I know right where it's sitting
@rolandk2403 Yup, mine is the Porter Cable too.
You could drill a hole in one of the edges of the plywood and slide the long side of the allen wrench in the whole. The hole would probably wear out over time, but it would work. Great video man.
That festool is amazing, this jig can't compare.. But if you can't afford the festool, the kreg is something you could use but it's goi g to be a lot of fiddling and will take a lot more time. The festool going to give you results you can accomplish quickly and be confident about. Thanks for the video
Purchased the 3 size Jessem dowel kit last year. I am sticking with that. It's only a matter of time until Festool has a true competitor.
Nice Tudor FXD. Two of my fave things, woodworking and watches...nice!
thanks!
i think you did a great job showcasing this product, it was shown on another channel but not as detailed, keep up the good work
Glad you enjoyed the video, and thanks for the feedback!
OMG - "this" is so friggen cool!
Great review!
I saw this in person at the Boston Tools and Tailgates events in the Woodcraft stores. I liked the almost all metal composition of the tool and the whole setup (great to clamp to your bench). I have a dowel jig but I look forward to adding this to my shop until I save up for a domino.
Great video as always Matt keep up the great work. Definitely going to check this new tool out. Thanks for sharing
Good review, very helpful, thank you. It's kind of tempting at first blush, but I have a DowelMax already. I'm not quite convinced this tool would be better then that. The DowelMax is movable like the domino, Dowel pins are cheaper. Two (or three, four, or five) dowel pins side by side provide pretty much the same strength and alignment. I also think moving the tool to the workpiece (as the Festool and DowelMax do) has a lot of advantages over moving the work piece to the tool.
Reading reviews before commenting, I find that I'm with the majority. 300 bucks of silliness. Tools have followed the kitchen tool game. When does the Veg-o-Matic come out?
Love that you give Ryobi some air time, even if it's just a prop. Ryobi tools are underrated, IMHO.
I have a Mortise Master and it works really well!
I does need a router, BUT I already had one of those.....
It's nice to see what different options are available for joinery.
Although, it doesn't seem like these small tenons are any better than just using a slot cutter on a router and milling your own splines. Basic splines are faster, cheaper, stronger and easier to align.
I don’t think many diyer’s have 500.00 for a tool we may use every 3-4 months. We all appreciate your videos and do learn from them, just please keep in mind our little home shops don’t have $ 250,000 in tools in them.
A little knob with depth indicators on the left and right set screws would make this just about perfect
I'm not dyslexic but I first read this as "Keurig just changed wood joiner" and was very interested.
Another way to align the side stops would be to use a t-stop ruler or vernier calipers against the side of the jig then adjust the stops so the bit hits the stop/ caliper at the same distance on both sides.
As a DIYer I still spent the money ont he DF700 for the efficiency and ability to use it like a 500 (with the Seneca kit).. it just seems like its going to always be much faster, easier and produce the best quality mortises for joinery.
So I finally got around to using my DF700 with the Seneca kit.. was gluing up some 3/4" boards to make it wider. Works a treat. But I will say, being a big guy.. this tool gets tiring to use after about 10 to 20 pushes of it. lol. Now.. to be fair I was not resting the bottom on a flat surface to alleviate the weight, so I was using it in the air so to speak. I also have to practice more to make sure I line things up right. I was off on a couple of mortises and had to remortise a few wider. I think there is a switch or something on the device that will cut them wider for you, but have to go back and watch how to use it again lol. But very cool to just glue the tenons in, and see everything line up (once the off ones were widened).
great job, now have to look at it deeper.
I could see myself using a small setup block(s) on both sides of the little indexing pins for consistency, but you're right that ideally it would keep everything centered and adjust both sides at the exact same rate. Still, to save $1,200 it seems very worth it.
New and fancy. But Aliexpress already sells a nice mortise jig with sliders for laminate routers for $55. And a lam router at Walmart is $25. If your goal is to have a $1700 Festool or a $300 Kreg, then go for it. If your goal is to cut aligned mortises for low cost, then...
Awesome review! I just added this to my "Need" list!!
Allen Key Storage: Get some rubber or plastic tubing that the key fits snugly in, then drill a hole in one of the edges of the plywood base big enough to accept the tubing and deep enough for the key to slide all the way in. Finish up by using CA glue to secure the tubing and Bob's your uncle.
Good to see some Lowe's products behind you! 🤣
I would have had all the tenons cut with the festool by the time you cut two with this thing. I’m not a festool fanboy but i completed jobs to get a couple of their tools and the track saw and domino are pretty great
Good video! I been learning a lot from your videos! God bless you man
Thanks so much for watching!
Biscuits were good enough for Norm they are good enough for me
Just can't use biscuits to join 1-1/2" cabinet face frames.
@@jeffreydove821 Norm used pocket holes for that
@@jeffreydove821they make smaller FF size biscuits for face frames. You do have to switch to a smaller cutter, though.
@@thetoolman3same cutter - you just need to adjust the depth
@@RRYAN905 Not true. There is a smaller diameter cutter with 4 teeth that has to be swapped in. You ALSO have to adjust the plunge depth. Compare the size of an FF biscuit to the 0, 10 and 20, and you can immediately tell the radius is smaller. The only way to get that is with a smaller cutter.
Nice jig but are "Kreg-Ino's better than appropriately sized dowels? I use a dowel jig and it is quick and easy. Plus, dead-nuts accurate. This seems unnecessarily complicated and time-consuming.
this looks amazing! May have to step up from my pocket whole obsession
The Festool and Kreg dominos shown appeara to be quite different in density (and probably strength) The Festool tenon appears to be compressed wood - beech perhaps while the Kreg is from fast growing (and low density wood) based ont eh many large xylem vessels in section.
a little locktite would keep the end cutter in the shank !! maybe scribe matching depth marks on the side screws at least??? also a screw knob to raise and lower the table might be nice!! Have Fun
I watched someone else review this last week and they never mentioned what you did here, 4:50. That's a huge overlook on their part.
As soon as he showed that I let out an audible "mmmmmm"
Turn buckles use right-handed threads on one end of the screw & left-handed on the opposite end. That would solve the centering problem. It would use one threaded shaft to move both ends simultaneously to always maintain centered.
Scissors jacks use the same principle to raise a car straight up. When you crank the screw it pulls or pushes the two ends together or apart simultaneously.
Seems like you could clamp your workpiece down and flip this little device upside down on top of your workpiece, much like theFestool. I suppose it still needs a clamp but I think something could be screwed to the base plate that would make that fairly quick and easy. Definitely something to consider for us weekend Warriors. Of course, I've been using dowels for years and they worked pretty well.
Kreg worked with JessEm who has a very similar Loose Tenon system that puts the drill on the top. They are phasing theirs out.
Centering the cutout is an easy design fix. one set screw in the middle with springs on each size (same size and strength). having the outside guide move instead of the set screw stopper. that will make it auto center by just adjusting one set screw. It's great to beat the price and all, but you are buying a tool like this to be perfect. Eyeballing it isn't in the job description. Fix that, and the drill bits not falling out looks pretty solid.
I’ve just looked up price in uk £280 for jig and £56 for replacement bits. I thought £80 max would be the price point. I will stick with my dowel jig that cost £20 !
If you are starting the setup and it’s currently centered… Turn the set screws at the same time the same amount.
Thank you for this video. Love the channel
Thanks for watching!
Awesome watch!!
Thank you
I watched your review and also Wood Whisperers video too.I am still saving up for a domino :D .Until then i will use my doweling jig which cost me 20bucks with 3 drill bits and a ton of dowels.
Every manufacturer wants a piece of that sweet domino pie and we get a ton of "killers" but they are not even close.
Was able to test this a couple months ago. there is a set up process and you do have to force the handle side to side when drilling to acivate the drilling step, It's not perfect but it is a cost effected way for beginners to make floating tennons without purcasing a Festool Domino.
Great video, great product.
Without looking at the screen the first few secyoc this video i thought it was the ShamWow guy selling another sponge 😮
haters gonna hate 🤷🏻♂️
That is a really cool tool
Hey Matt if I didn't have a domino already I definitely buy the Krag
Nice Tudor bro!
I run a production shop. I bought a Domino on the day they were released 20 or so years ago. I use my it nearly every day and if it broke, I'd buy another that day.
Great video GOD bless y'all
I think the Universe just needs an M18 Domino
YES!! 💯
Most definitely, they would make a killing
I appreciate that Kreg is offering a quality product for folks that are looking for something like this. That being said. I don't think I would choose to purchase this over a quality dowling jig. In fact, it seems like a good dowling jig would actually be less fiddly to use and I can just use generic dowels instead of having to buy special Kreg tenons. In the end, it seems more clap-trappy than a dowling jig and slower than an actual domino.
Interesting, thanks for the video!
Something from Kreg actually made from metal? I like it
Would like to know more about the Shop apron. Looks awesome.
I’m a bit amazed that the drill spins the bit fast enough to get clean cuts but OTOH no one will ever see the cut anyway.
It seems like an easy way to center would be to cut a mortice. Measure exact center and mark top. Clamp to line up center lines then set the bit to touch each side
Could you do a review on Saker measuring tools? I enjoy your channel. 90% of the tools I’ve purchased is because of your recommendations. And I name drop your name on social media every chance I get. Thanks again!
The JeesEm Pocket Mill Pro is on sale on their website for $319.00. I think it's a better choose. I have had mine for over a year, and it works great without all the adjustments. Kreg does make good products, too.
Dowelmax is even better choice than that. And for less $
This looks like a very cool tool, but for now I think I will stick with my dowel jigs.
One alteration that I would probably make is make a duplicate base out of good quality wood or MDF , maybe 1 inch thick then cut grooves in it that would accommodate the Micro jig clamps. This would make the base nice and sturdy so you wouldn't have to screw it down to your bench.
I bet if you mount this to a mobile workbench you can work around the clumsiness. Better yet, set it up to hinge down below the bench surface to keep the bench functional.
I just checked and my Festool Domino Jointer is just fine, not even nervous. ;) Still, there's nothing like hand joinery.
The “game changer” aspect of the domino is that you can sell it for 90% of what you paid. Even if you buy it and decide you hate it 6 months later you’ll get almost all of your money back. The used market is crazy on those things.
The real question is, how much more advantageous is the compared to two dowels? drilling 4 holes is going to be faster and easier to index than a slot cutter that can be unintentionally offset to one side or the other.
All the strength is in the glue on the face of the tenon, not on the sides. Similar to a biscuit joiner. So a slightly wider mortise will allow you to adjust during glue up.
Maybe throw some green lock time retaining compound in the friction fit bit and holder?
For larger panels, could you use the tool upside down, using the top surface as the reference? That might be easier than trying to shim it well enough to use it conventionally.
Good review - thanks
Great job! Thanks for doing this.
Thanks, Matt, for bringing the tool to our attention, wonderful review.
For my money think a doweling jointer is a better option. Freud made what looked like a good mid priced (around $500) one but discontinued it over 10 years ago. The only one I can find in the same price range is from a company called Virutex that looks good, more of an industrial tool in the same class as a Domino, but at less than half the price. However, I am not quite ready to pull the trigger as the company name is unknown to me. MaFell has 2 doweling jointers at $1300+, not going to pay that. And, the doweling jointers under $200 or so just don't have good reviews. Still, I see a mid priced doweling jointer as the "Domino killer" for those who prefer dowels and want an automation path.
Until then, I still use and really enjoy my DowelMax, as the precision has never let me down. However, for plowing out a bunch of holes for dowels, sure wish I had something more automated at a reasonable cost.
Thanks for your review!!!
Thanks for the demo. Where can I find your shop apron?