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I said this before, best alternative to dominos are dowels. Same strength, just different look. Get Dowelmax and you will get speed, accuracy and ease of use including 45 miters. There is no need to mimic domino and get a clumsy solution.
I use the updated jessem dowel jig and think it’s great for the money. For hobbyists the $1,100 difference between dowel jigs and domino is better spent on other tools.
The Wood Whisperer did a review as well. He found out that Kreg and Jessem worked together on this. His main gripe was the stability that could cause some slop. Not a big deal with the weekend warrior but maybe not for precise projects.
They worked with jessem for this, I personally almost bought the jessem a couple of years ago but my friend talked me into just getting the domino. He had spent all this money on this jig and that jig but wasnt happy until he had got the domino.
Having had a Domino for years this looks like it will be a lot slower creating the mortise. This will probably be a good solution for a weekend woodworker.
I wait for Makita Domino, Festools Domino patents expire 2024 , so competitors should be on market with own models 2025. Lemello biscuit jointer was only copied by Makita , Bosch and DeWalt from big brand names
Not even I think. It's easier and cheaper to just make a router jig. I'm convinced 731 woodworks stopped woodworking a long time ago and just craps out 3 videos a week with products he hasn't really used.
Looked up the domino/Kreg tenon pricing, for the 6x20x40mm/1.5" tenons on both, you have to buy 2.5 boxes of Kreg to match the $31 box of 190 Festool and save $4. For the big 1140 box of Festool for $119 you need 15.2 boxes of Kreg for $167. JessEm's Tenon Stock is sold at 6 12" lengths for $10 you have to cut for yourself at 8 1.5" per stick, which comes to about $40 to match a 190 pack of dominoes and almost $240 to get 1140. So if you're looking to buy loose tenons in bulk, Festool is actually going to be a better deal for better fitting tenons. Another option on this is that Woodpeckers has a mortising base attachment for plunge routers currently on sale for $170. That plus a whiteside 1/4sh/6mm spiral upcut bit comes to ~$200. Takes a little more setup, but does the same things.
I'm a roofer by trade, but do a lot of DIY carpentry at home. This looks like most other Kreg tools in that it's geared more for guys like me, not your trade pros. That said, it looks great for MY purposes. Thanks!
Reading reviews before commenting, I find that I'm with the majority. 300 bucks of silliness. Tools have followed the kitchen tool game. When does the Veg-o-Matic come out?
Cool thing. Just checked prices over here in Germany. €400 - on Black Friday Sale!!! I think if I really need such tool, I will go with the real Domino :)
I would have had all the tenons cut with the festool by the time you cut two with this thing. I’m not a festool fanboy but i completed jobs to get a couple of their tools and the track saw and domino are pretty great
Not a Domino killer. Not even close. The Domino is for rapid and precise joinery which can be applied at angles and not just when you can clamp the thing down on a workbench using their support. Get the Domino or use something like the DowelMax. I'd rather use the DowelMax doweling jig than either the Kreg or the Jessem "Domino killer".
As soon as multiple set screws get involved, you know it's the same old story.. another alternative that just doesn't offer the same level of ease-of-use, precision, and repeatability.
The question isn't why companies keep trying to sell joinery methods that are worse and more expensive than dowels, but why people keep falling for them.
Was able to test this a couple months ago. there is a set up process and you do have to force the handle side to side when drilling to acivate the drilling step, It's not perfect but it is a cost effected way for beginners to make floating tennons without purcasing a Festool Domino.
I could see myself using a small setup block(s) on both sides of the little indexing pins for consistency, but you're right that ideally it would keep everything centered and adjust both sides at the exact same rate. Still, to save $1,200 it seems very worth it.
Love your stuff Matt! Truly appreciate your videos, have binged watched tons of them and put them on when working in the shop. Learned a ton and really appreciate the tool reviews , they really do help me pick up gear. Thank you sir !
As a DIYer I still spent the money ont he DF700 for the efficiency and ability to use it like a 500 (with the Seneca kit).. it just seems like its going to always be much faster, easier and produce the best quality mortises for joinery.
I saw this in person at the Boston Tools and Tailgates events in the Woodcraft stores. I liked the almost all metal composition of the tool and the whole setup (great to clamp to your bench). I have a dowel jig but I look forward to adding this to my shop until I save up for a domino.
Here's a tip for either this product or the Domino. You can make your own custom width tenons on your thicknesser. I did this on a breadboard end table top and 1st time success. Works a treat 🇦🇺
a little locktite would keep the end cutter in the shank !! maybe scribe matching depth marks on the side screws at least??? also a screw knob to raise and lower the table might be nice!! Have Fun
Allen Key Storage: Get some rubber or plastic tubing that the key fits snugly in, then drill a hole in one of the edges of the plywood base big enough to accept the tubing and deep enough for the key to slide all the way in. Finish up by using CA glue to secure the tubing and Bob's your uncle.
The JeesEm Pocket Mill Pro is on sale on their website for $319.00. I think it's a better choose. I have had mine for over a year, and it works great without all the adjustments. Kreg does make good products, too.
Great video! 🎉 99% of all woodworkers don’t know about this Game Changing Domino Killer!! 😂 But for real, this is a great option for the DIY/weekend woodworker wanting to use mortise and tenon but lack the budget to spring for a Festool.
Great review and tool....BUT, Ryobi biscuit joiner is only slightly over half the cost and does the same thing (seems like a better option). I will say, this does look to be able to handle smaller joins, but not sure.
Nice jig but are "Kreg-Ino's better than appropriately sized dowels? I use a dowel jig and it is quick and easy. Plus, dead-nuts accurate. This seems unnecessarily complicated and time-consuming.
This looks like a very cool tool, but for now I think I will stick with my dowel jigs. One alteration that I would probably make is make a duplicate base out of good quality wood or MDF , maybe 1 inch thick then cut grooves in it that would accommodate the Micro jig clamps. This would make the base nice and sturdy so you wouldn't have to screw it down to your bench.
Seems like a good alternative but I feel like they should have a built in automax clamp somehow above the dust port so you don’t have to worry about a clamp for the unit and another for the workpiece.
It might be worth if you are mounting it to a workbench, to route out a spot, so the jig is inset to the bench so you do not have to shim up for bigger pieces.
Might be great for casual hobbyist if you don't care about speed. Festool is geared toward pros for whom time is money. More options with the domino in that you are bringing the tool to the material. Think about how you would join plywood panels for cabinets and you can see where the domino is superior.
Couple of ideas, can you maybe reach in with a set of calipers and measure the stops to get them centered? Couldn't see well enough in the video. And I've already got a couple of Craig clamps that work awesome. It looks like they would be good for this tool as well. Just added another tool to my Christmas list! Thank you
For bringing the tool to the work, cant you you take the Kreg to the work and just use it upside down? Basically just placing it on top of the work piece. Or you can use it in the upright position and just clamp it directly to the work piece?
getcha a nice set of ball end hex drivers, and you will have something that is easier to use, and nice enough that you'll keep track of it and not lose it.
I watched your review and also Wood Whisperers video too.I am still saving up for a domino :D .Until then i will use my doweling jig which cost me 20bucks with 3 drill bits and a ton of dowels. Every manufacturer wants a piece of that sweet domino pie and we get a ton of "killers" but they are not even close.
What do you think about good old-fashioned biscuit joiner I think it works relatively well for everything I do as much as I would like to have the domino
Love your videos. Occasionally use the links to buy stuff. Just saw the "+45 Free Project Ideas"... yeah one of the things you talk about is time when doing projects... the time and effort it takes to get the "free" plans doesnt make them free. I usually dont do "free" stuff cause of things like this. If its free there should be no strings attached. Well maybe one string (mailing list or some such).
I have a JessEm Zip Slot Mortise Mill and Tenon Joinery Tool 08200 that I have had for years that works exactly like this "new" idea from Kreg. Have you seen one?
I use the DF700 XL and use the tight/tight joint and it always lines up perfectly. I have never needed a loose fit with clamps. I wonder what the point of a loose fit is only to have to clamp it and wait for glue to dry. Seems to defeat the largest benefit of the Domino.
It looks like there may be some quality control issues. I saw another review where the mortices were too large vertically, which causes issue when aligning panels.
With the festool domino, you can bring the mortiser to the project. Can you do the same with this tool? Also, can you do a speed test where you time how long it takes to cut say, 10 mortises with festool vs kreg?
If the bit is a friction fit in that sleeve, isn't there a chance for the cutting head to just "spin" in place? Curious if this happened to you at all? Thanks for the review. Love your channel.
You guys answer your own question every time! Asking whether its a Domino killer and then making a direct comparison showing that all these shortcuts come up short next to the Domino. I think for a lot of DIYers the cheaper versions will work, but it looks like if you're a pro, you're just better off with the pricier Domino.
As someone that has the entire Jessem loose tenon system this the same with worse tolerances... After about 700.00 (pocket mill+workbench +small and large face joint jig and 6+8+10mm bits) I'm pretty disappointed and wish I just saved my money for the festool.. between line lat out, set up, clamping and drilling it's incredibly slow.. it's also very finicky and will often flex in the pressure of the end mill cutting the wood to the point that the bolts that hold it onto the clamping station will loosen often... Even fought for a replacement and got the same results... And if you don't fully seat the jig all the way forward with a 10 mm bit it will barely touch the view finder and will shatter the carbide end mill.. even if it's off just .002 inch.. I've used it for several projects of all different types of joints and it's just a frustrating piece of equipment. But it makes a lot tighter joints than this at least
I wonder if dedicating a $17 corded drill from Harbor Freight would speed up the cut time? I have one that spins at 3000rpm verses the 600 or 700 that a cordless drill runs at. Also the 6mm bits are the same size I run on my CNC, I wonder if they would work as replacements?
Thanks for showing us this. My question is, if the bit slips out of the shank and you push it back in, when you drill the hold, wouldn't the bit spin or slip so it would cut?
@@edmundhayes7982 A drop of Loctite 620 or 680 will lock the bit in place if slipping is an issue. I would think Kreg would have done this at the factory.
if you make a pair of spacers with a step in them will they fit between the carriage and the end stop? insert the big end and adjus the left screw stop. flip and adjust the other stop. Surprised they did nomake a plastic C-shaped tool or little keys on a ring
There is a very quick and easy way to adjust the width perfectly symmetrically and extremely accurately-Use the same width metal feeler gauge on each side while making the adjustment. Progressively increase the width of the feeler gauge until you get the perfect fit.
I would go to dowels before this. You can do more faster than this tool. Only good for end of board applications. I have found the domino is gold when making boxes with stationary shelves - cutting the mortises in the middle of a panel is so helpful.
JessEm helped them with this but theirs the drill is above so the weight of the drill doesn’t affect it and make it more difficult like the Kreg. Plus the drill weight starts to pull the tool from the wood so what’s that going to look like after a lot of use. The plywood should’ve been metal and a stronger connection to mate the tool and base together. Not being able to do angles is not great either. Hopefully they iron out the bugs and come out with a 2.0 version. The JessEm is only about $20 more. A bit confusing why the Kreg wouldn’t be cheaper than $300 especially with the limitations.
18:54 Stick another clamp on the top fence maybe? I don't like the design requiring you put your hand there, but that seems easily fixed by taking off the knob and using a clamp. If you have dog holes in your bench, you could even clam it from the other side rather than putting a clamp in at an awkward angle from the front (at least for smaller workpieces).
I think I'll just stick with my shop built router jig that took less than an hour too make. The cost per joint would be way less. It does not work with face grain, but in another 45 minutes, I can make one for that.
JessEm Pocket Mill Pro in disguise! A while ago I read that JessEm was working with Kreg to put this out under the Kreg label. I wonder if Kreg will have all of the cool accessories that JessEm has for the PMP and I hope it is cheaper.
Thanks, Matt, for bringing the tool to our attention, wonderful review. For my money think a doweling jointer is a better option. Freud made what looked like a good mid priced (around $500) one but discontinued it over 10 years ago. The only one I can find in the same price range is from a company called Virutex that looks good, more of an industrial tool in the same class as a Domino, but at less than half the price. However, I am not quite ready to pull the trigger as the company name is unknown to me. MaFell has 2 doweling jointers at $1300+, not going to pay that. And, the doweling jointers under $200 or so just don't have good reviews. Still, I see a mid priced doweling jointer as the "Domino killer" for those who prefer dowels and want an automation path. Until then, I still use and really enjoy my DowelMax, as the precision has never let me down. However, for plowing out a bunch of holes for dowels, sure wish I had something more automated at a reasonable cost. Thanks for your review!!!
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Agreed
I said this before, best alternative to dominos are dowels. Same strength, just different look. Get Dowelmax and you will get speed, accuracy and ease of use including 45 miters. There is no need to mimic domino and get a clumsy solution.
Agreed.
@@ST-0311^^^^^^
Hands down. In fact I’ve watched a strength comparison (we all know how those go who knows how accurate they are) but the dowel was strongest joint.
100% agree. In fact, I think they are better because the dowels are spread over a wider area.
I use the updated jessem dowel jig and think it’s great for the money. For hobbyists the $1,100 difference between dowel jigs and domino is better spent on other tools.
the more domino killers I see the more Im convinced I need a domino and not a cheap alternative
Exactly
Unless you get a pantorouter
@@Cessna172G I would love me one
once you go green, you will never go back.
Me too, but I'll stick to dowels. They're affordable, *stronger*, and more accessible.
The Wood Whisperer did a review as well. He found out that Kreg and Jessem worked together on this. His main gripe was the stability that could cause some slop. Not a big deal with the weekend warrior but maybe not for precise projects.
They worked with jessem for this, I personally almost bought the jessem a couple of years ago but my friend talked me into just getting the domino. He had spent all this money on this jig and that jig but wasnt happy until he had got the domino.
Having had a Domino for years this looks like it will be a lot slower creating the mortise. This will probably be a good solution for a weekend woodworker.
I wait for Makita Domino, Festools Domino patents expire 2024 , so competitors should be on market with own models 2025.
Lemello biscuit jointer was only copied by Makita , Bosch and DeWalt from big brand names
Not even I think. It's easier and cheaper to just make a router jig. I'm convinced 731 woodworks stopped woodworking a long time ago and just craps out 3 videos a week with products he hasn't really used.
Agree , this looks like a massive pain in the arse compared to festool
As a weekend warrior, i saved up for a domino.
This is nice, but i agree, nice product but time consuming.
I do like that it doesn’t require power.
Looked up the domino/Kreg tenon pricing, for the 6x20x40mm/1.5" tenons on both, you have to buy 2.5 boxes of Kreg to match the $31 box of 190 Festool and save $4. For the big 1140 box of Festool for $119 you need 15.2 boxes of Kreg for $167. JessEm's Tenon Stock is sold at 6 12" lengths for $10 you have to cut for yourself at 8 1.5" per stick, which comes to about $40 to match a 190 pack of dominoes and almost $240 to get 1140.
So if you're looking to buy loose tenons in bulk, Festool is actually going to be a better deal for better fitting tenons.
Another option on this is that Woodpeckers has a mortising base attachment for plunge routers currently on sale for $170. That plus a whiteside 1/4sh/6mm spiral upcut bit comes to ~$200. Takes a little more setup, but does the same things.
Thanks for doing the math. I appreciate that!
I'm a roofer by trade, but do a lot of DIY carpentry at home. This looks like most other Kreg tools in that it's geared more for guys like me, not your trade pros. That said, it looks great for MY purposes. Thanks!
Fellow roofer by trade and I diy carpentry as well. I feel the same
Reading reviews before commenting, I find that I'm with the majority. 300 bucks of silliness. Tools have followed the kitchen tool game. When does the Veg-o-Matic come out?
I got mine a couple days ago, and yours is the first video I've seen where someone took the time to show assembly and dialing it in. Thanks!
Glad to be of help!
Cool thing. Just checked prices over here in Germany. €400 - on Black Friday Sale!!! I think if I really need such tool, I will go with the real Domino :)
Which website is this on? Fellow European from Ireland
I was wondering a similar thing. I think it's quite overpriced for what it is. A dowelmax may be a bit more cumbersome, but seems equally valid
I've seen a review on this which points out the excessive slop in the mortises with the dominos provided.
Like its loose?
Me too. And as a tooling machinist who makes assemblies, I'm not a fan of it.
I would have had all the tenons cut with the festool by the time you cut two with this thing. I’m not a festool fanboy but i completed jobs to get a couple of their tools and the track saw and domino are pretty great
Not a Domino killer. Not even close.
The Domino is for rapid and precise joinery which can be applied at angles and not just when you can clamp the thing down on a workbench using their support.
Get the Domino or use something like the DowelMax. I'd rather use the DowelMax doweling jig than either the Kreg or the Jessem "Domino killer".
Get good at joinery and you won’t need a Domino either.
As soon as multiple set screws get involved, you know it's the same old story.. another alternative that just doesn't offer the same level of ease-of-use, precision, and repeatability.
The question isn't why companies keep trying to sell joinery methods that are worse and more expensive than dowels, but why people keep falling for them.
Was able to test this a couple months ago. there is a set up process and you do have to force the handle side to side when drilling to acivate the drilling step, It's not perfect but it is a cost effected way for beginners to make floating tennons without purcasing a Festool Domino.
Purchased the 3 size Jessem dowel kit last year. I am sticking with that. It's only a matter of time until Festool has a true competitor.
I could see myself using a small setup block(s) on both sides of the little indexing pins for consistency, but you're right that ideally it would keep everything centered and adjust both sides at the exact same rate. Still, to save $1,200 it seems very worth it.
Kreg worked with JessEm who has a very similar Loose Tenon system that puts the drill on the top. They are phasing theirs out.
Love your stuff Matt! Truly appreciate your videos, have binged watched tons of them and put them on when working in the shop. Learned a ton and really appreciate the tool reviews , they really do help me pick up gear. Thank you sir !
I'm so glad you're finding them useful!
Enjoy your videos, but PLEASE stop with the whole "Game Over" thumbnails. It's just obnoxious.
Its for the clicks. Annoying yes but it's great for getting engagement
Snap!! Game over!
the clickbait titles are just as offputting: "XYZ Killer?" "Total Gamechanger??!"
The price you pay for FREE content! 😀
Agree
As a DIYer I still spent the money ont he DF700 for the efficiency and ability to use it like a 500 (with the Seneca kit).. it just seems like its going to always be much faster, easier and produce the best quality mortises for joinery.
I saw this in person at the Boston Tools and Tailgates events in the Woodcraft stores. I liked the almost all metal composition of the tool and the whole setup (great to clamp to your bench). I have a dowel jig but I look forward to adding this to my shop until I save up for a domino.
Here's a tip for either this product or the Domino. You can make your own custom width tenons on your thicknesser. I did this on a breadboard end table top and 1st time success. Works a treat 🇦🇺
a little locktite would keep the end cutter in the shank !! maybe scribe matching depth marks on the side screws at least??? also a screw knob to raise and lower the table might be nice!! Have Fun
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Thank you very much
You did a GREAT job explaining everything
I am going to get one
The JeesEm Pocket Mill Pro is on sale on their website for $319.00. I think it's a better choose. I have had mine for over a year, and it works great without all the adjustments. Kreg does make good products, too.
Dowelmax is even better choice than that. And for less $
i think you did a great job showcasing this product, it was shown on another channel but not as detailed, keep up the good work
Glad you enjoyed the video, and thanks for the feedback!
The products from Kreg are really, really good.
Bought it…it works pretty well. It’s loose though. If you make your own loose tenons a little bigger you can get by better.
It's still loose after adjusting the stops?
@@pilotdog68 I think it's the Kreg tenons and the drill bit is a little oversized. It's not just the side to side stops where it's loose.
Great video! 🎉 99% of all woodworkers don’t know about this Game Changing Domino Killer!! 😂 But for real, this is a great option for the DIY/weekend woodworker wanting to use mortise and tenon but lack the budget to spring for a Festool.
Great review and tool....BUT, Ryobi biscuit joiner is only slightly over half the cost and does the same thing (seems like a better option). I will say, this does look to be able to handle smaller joins, but not sure.
Nice jig but are "Kreg-Ino's better than appropriately sized dowels? I use a dowel jig and it is quick and easy. Plus, dead-nuts accurate. This seems unnecessarily complicated and time-consuming.
Without looking at the screen the first few secyoc this video i thought it was the ShamWow guy selling another sponge 😮
haters gonna hate 🤷🏻♂️
Good video! I been learning a lot from your videos! God bless you man
Thanks so much for watching!
This looks like a very cool tool, but for now I think I will stick with my dowel jigs.
One alteration that I would probably make is make a duplicate base out of good quality wood or MDF , maybe 1 inch thick then cut grooves in it that would accommodate the Micro jig clamps. This would make the base nice and sturdy so you wouldn't have to screw it down to your bench.
great job, now have to look at it deeper.
I watched someone else review this last week and they never mentioned what you did here, 4:50. That's a huge overlook on their part.
Maybe throw some green lock time retaining compound in the friction fit bit and holder?
Seems like a good alternative but I feel like they should have a built in automax clamp somehow above the dust port so you don’t have to worry about a clamp for the unit and another for the workpiece.
Buy the festool compatible extra long tenon stock and cut your own lengths - it'll save a ton of money.
It might be worth if you are mounting it to a workbench, to route out a spot, so the jig is inset to the bench so you do not have to shim up for bigger pieces.
Might be great for casual hobbyist if you don't care about speed. Festool is geared toward pros for whom time is money. More options with the domino in that you are bringing the tool to the material. Think about how you would join plywood panels for cabinets and you can see where the domino is superior.
Would like to know more about the Shop apron. Looks awesome.
Biscuits were good enough for Norm they are good enough for me
Just can't use biscuits to join 1-1/2" cabinet face frames.
Couple of ideas, can you maybe reach in with a set of calipers and measure the stops to get them centered? Couldn't see well enough in the video. And I've already got a couple of Craig clamps that work awesome. It looks like they would be good for this tool as well. Just added another tool to my Christmas list! Thank you
For bringing the tool to the work, cant you you take the Kreg to the work and just use it upside down? Basically just placing it on top of the work piece. Or you can use it in the upright position and just clamp it directly to the work piece?
Clever design and nice and review. I would think using a hand drill with the jig could get fatiguing after a bit if you are doing a lot.
It absoluetly can. If you had to do a ton of these, you'd have a sore hand!
If the cutter is friction fit what keeps it from getting hung up in the wood and allowing the shaft to spin around it?
friction fit into the shaft but appears to be a hex to prevent spinning
getcha a nice set of ball end hex drivers, and you will have something that is easier to use, and nice enough that you'll keep track of it and not lose it.
I watched your review and also Wood Whisperers video too.I am still saving up for a domino :D .Until then i will use my doweling jig which cost me 20bucks with 3 drill bits and a ton of dowels.
Every manufacturer wants a piece of that sweet domino pie and we get a ton of "killers" but they are not even close.
I think the Universe just needs an M18 Domino
YES!! 💯
The Rockler beadlock is cheaper and works great you should look at that
What do you think about good old-fashioned biscuit joiner I think it works relatively well for everything I do as much as I would like to have the domino
I just checked and my Festool Domino Jointer is just fine, not even nervous. ;) Still, there's nothing like hand joinery.
Love your videos. Occasionally use the links to buy stuff. Just saw the "+45 Free Project Ideas"... yeah one of the things you talk about is time when doing projects... the time and effort it takes to get the "free" plans doesnt make them free. I usually dont do "free" stuff cause of things like this. If its free there should be no strings attached. Well maybe one string (mailing list or some such).
They made the bits removeable so they're cheaper to replace, because in time they will wear out quickly. Just like the pocket hole bits.
I have a JessEm Zip Slot Mortise Mill and Tenon Joinery Tool 08200 that I have had for years that works exactly like this "new" idea from Kreg. Have you seen one?
I use the DF700 XL and use the tight/tight joint and it always lines up perfectly. I have never needed a loose fit with clamps. I wonder what the point of a loose fit is only to have to clamp it and wait for glue to dry. Seems to defeat the largest benefit of the Domino.
It looks like there may be some quality control issues. I saw another review where the mortices were too large vertically, which causes issue when aligning panels.
Great video as always Matt keep up the great work. Definitely going to check this new tool out. Thanks for sharing
this looks amazing! May have to step up from my pocket whole obsession
With the festool domino, you can bring the mortiser to the project. Can you do the same with this tool? Also, can you do a speed test where you time how long it takes to cut say, 10 mortises with festool vs kreg?
If the bit is a friction fit in that sleeve, isn't there a chance for the cutting head to just "spin" in place? Curious if this happened to you at all? Thanks for the review. Love your channel.
If it did slip, I didn't notice it.
You guys answer your own question every time! Asking whether its a Domino killer and then making a direct comparison showing that all these shortcuts come up short next to the Domino. I think for a lot of DIYers the cheaper versions will work, but it looks like if you're a pro, you're just better off with the pricier Domino.
man this Kreg guy just doesnt miss
Perhaps a comparison between the Jessem and Kreg products in the future?
The Wood Whisperer said Jessem partnered with Kreg and will be discontinuing their branded version.
It'll do a job for occasional use but if using everyday the Domino wins hands down
I rarely use my domino but, when I do its no nonsense done and over with.
As someone that has the entire Jessem loose tenon system this the same with worse tolerances... After about 700.00 (pocket mill+workbench +small and large face joint jig and 6+8+10mm bits) I'm pretty disappointed and wish I just saved my money for the festool.. between line lat out, set up, clamping and drilling it's incredibly slow.. it's also very finicky and will often flex in the pressure of the end mill cutting the wood to the point that the bolts that hold it onto the clamping station will loosen often... Even fought for a replacement and got the same results... And if you don't fully seat the jig all the way forward with a 10 mm bit it will barely touch the view finder and will shatter the carbide end mill.. even if it's off just .002 inch.. I've used it for several projects of all different types of joints and it's just a frustrating piece of equipment. But it makes a lot tighter joints than this at least
Would adding a toggle clamp mounted to the base help?
Thank you for this video. Love the channel
Thanks for watching!
I wonder if dedicating a $17 corded drill from Harbor Freight would speed up the cut time? I have one that spins at 3000rpm verses the 600 or 700 that a cordless drill runs at. Also the 6mm bits are the same size I run on my CNC, I wonder if they would work as replacements?
If the ones you use on your CNC are upcut bits, I would think they'd work with this.
Can't you turn the mortise mate upside down then clamp it to the top of you work piece instead of setting it up under the work piece?
Thanks for showing us this. My question is, if the bit slips out of the shank and you push it back in, when you drill the hold, wouldn't the bit spin or slip so it would cut?
i didn't notice it slipping
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@@edmundhayes7982 A drop of Loctite 620 or 680 will lock the bit in place if slipping is an issue. I would think Kreg would have done this at the factory.
if you make a pair of spacers with a step in them will they fit between the carriage and the end stop? insert the big end and adjus the left screw stop. flip and adjust the other stop. Surprised they did nomake a plastic C-shaped tool or little keys on a ring
Can you just use it upside down and use it like the Festool ? Put a knob or handle that screws into the bottom of the wooden base.
Awesome review! I just added this to my "Need" list!!
Hey Matt if I didn't have a domino already I definitely buy the Krag
Good review - thanks
There is a very quick and easy way to adjust the width perfectly symmetrically and extremely accurately-Use the same width metal feeler gauge on each side while making the adjustment. Progressively increase the width of the feeler gauge until you get the perfect fit.
That is a great tip. Thanks for sharing.
The ball bearings of your drill are not made to accept force from the side. Not sure that the bearings in the jig take all the force off it.
much more better review than the TWW. He didn’t go over side to side adjustment in detail like you did.
convinced me to buy a Domino
Interesting, thanks for the video!
I can domino compound miters and other odd shapes. To compete the whole field must be played
Is there a way to use a dial caliper to adjust the width of the cut?
You should try out Rocklers Beadlock system.
Impressive. What took them so long? Also, is the price really competitive to the Domino or other Domino alternatives?
I would go to dowels before this. You can do more faster than this tool. Only good for end of board applications. I have found the domino is gold when making boxes with stationary shelves - cutting the mortises in the middle of a panel is so helpful.
JessEm helped them with this but theirs the drill is above so the weight of the drill doesn’t affect it and make it more difficult like the Kreg. Plus the drill weight starts to pull the tool from the wood so what’s that going to look like after a lot of use. The plywood should’ve been metal and a stronger connection to mate the tool and base together. Not being able to do angles is not great either. Hopefully they iron out the bugs and come out with a 2.0 version. The JessEm is only about $20 more. A bit confusing why the Kreg wouldn’t be cheaper than $300 especially with the limitations.
Kreg 300 and a bit janky. Festool 1199 and daper AF. Chisel set around 80 bucks. What is your time worth and how accurate do you like to be?
18:54 Stick another clamp on the top fence maybe? I don't like the design requiring you put your hand there, but that seems easily fixed by taking off the knob and using a clamp. If you have dog holes in your bench, you could even clam it from the other side rather than putting a clamp in at an awkward angle from the front (at least for smaller workpieces).
I think I'll just stick with my shop built router jig that took less than an hour too make. The cost per joint would be way less. It does not work with face grain, but in another 45 minutes, I can make one for that.
JessEm Pocket Mill Pro in disguise! A while ago I read that JessEm was working with Kreg to put this out under the Kreg label. I wonder if Kreg will have all of the cool accessories that JessEm has for the PMP and I hope it is cheaper.
Can it be mounted permanently to a bench to increase rigidity and make the clamping easier?
Yes it could
Thanks, Matt, for bringing the tool to our attention, wonderful review.
For my money think a doweling jointer is a better option. Freud made what looked like a good mid priced (around $500) one but discontinued it over 10 years ago. The only one I can find in the same price range is from a company called Virutex that looks good, more of an industrial tool in the same class as a Domino, but at less than half the price. However, I am not quite ready to pull the trigger as the company name is unknown to me. MaFell has 2 doweling jointers at $1300+, not going to pay that. And, the doweling jointers under $200 or so just don't have good reviews. Still, I see a mid priced doweling jointer as the "Domino killer" for those who prefer dowels and want an automation path.
Until then, I still use and really enjoy my DowelMax, as the precision has never let me down. However, for plowing out a bunch of holes for dowels, sure wish I had something more automated at a reasonable cost.
Thanks for your review!!!
I dunno I feel like a self centering doweling jig works great
Great job! Thanks for doing this.
Id like to know more about your phone stand for shootin videos. Maybe include a link