Peter, what can I say. Once again an extremely timely video for my current shop set up. Long story short my tablesaw and I had a falling out, and that’s when I discovered your channel. You have single-handedly talked to me into building my shop around the track saw systems. Thank you so much for making this simple and for helping me get it. I have a bunch of 80/20 profiles around, a story there too, but I think I can put this together now from what you showed us in this video. The Dashboard system seems to be well worth the extra money, I’ve been watching their videos as well. Once again Peter your contribution to this community cannot be overstated.
@Tony - I just posted a question regarding 80/20 profiles and saw your comment. If you happen to have a 1030 profile around and own a Festool Quick Clamp - can you let me know if the Festool clamp is compatible with the 1030 profile? Thanks!
This is brilliant, so detailed. Thanks Peter. One thing I was going to add was that having 22mm board above the vidga track to add stability would limit your depth of cut with the Festool hinge.
Thanks for the info, particularly the part number for the hinge. I’ve been trying to make my own hinge support for a while and getting the part number has just convinced me to stop being stingy and buy one. Cheers.
Peter, thank your for all your excellent videos. I am a recently beginning woodworker and have binge-watched most of your videos in multiple sittings. Your calm, no-nonsense, and well-informed manner has helped me understand a great many things, separate the wheat from chaff, and helped me develop a progression and set of priorities in my avocation, build my shop with solid understanding of how to accomplish my objectives, and invest wisely. There are many content producers that have lots of flash but little substance, or who don't speak from the experience of a real, long term, working maker. Thank you for all you are doing, and have done.
Hi Peter. Quick question: why did you buy the extrusion (the one from KJN) with a 10mm slot? Does 8mm not fit the Festool clamps and the Dashboard hinge? Sorry if you’ve answered that elsewhere, I’ll watch the rest of the video, just scrolled forward to that bit, but I was assuming that 8mm is the way to go until I saw this.
Great coverage of what's out there. Another option is to just use Dog stops so you don't have to use the flip up rail feature at all. I took a look at my Festool mounting fixings and added a cut down of a rail connector to my back pivoting mount, to make it a bit stronger. Much like the Festool OEM version has that you were showing. Because I never use the back rail and angle protractor, I used a long length of Incra T-Track Plus that I mounted directly to the back on the top of my MFT, then I calibrated the scale in the track. This allows me to have a full 27.5" (700mm) cross cut width on my MFT. If I was looking to start over, I think I would look very closely at some of the offerings from Dashboard as they have some great ideas that they have done with their machined aluminum gear besides their flip up rail. A bit expensive for Europe, but they look robust compared to their competition.
Note for US viewers. 8mm is very close to 5/16-ths of an inch, (less than a 1% difference). The 80/20 15 series extrusions work well with most things made for the extrusions with 8-mm slots. I’m midway through designing and building my own alternative, and have been researching a bit on readily available options for the US and Canada. And, the Incra miter gauge fence and flip stop are probably going to be used for the fence assembly. I have it on a miter gauge, and the ability to lock precise 32nd inch, or if you set it up for metric 1-mm positions is really handy.
@Randall Thomas - I’m in the early stages of design for my mft table. Not sure how to send you a private message if you wouldn’t mind sharing some of your ideas? I like the 8020.
Excellent video but, what a confusing subject with all those extrusions fitting this but not fitting that. Everyone has their own way of working and so I have no problem with whatever set up you have - providing you know the options. Is it me do others agree that the whole MFT arena is full of very expensive options. The fear is that newcomers think that they have to splash out huge amounts to get good results. In fact, I would suggest those newcomers don’t buy any MFT bench, accessories at all until they have worked out what suits them and their space. I’m lucky in that my workshop is now virtually 9m x 8m. That’s plenty of room for the table saw as my main means of cutting panels down. I do use the Festool track saw if I want long strips or just to cut panels in half - but that’s more because of the awkwardness and weight of heavier panels (don’t mock, it will come to you as well). I’ve had a MFT style top (1600 x 1000) for maybe 10 years and I still haven’t used the majority of the holes. Because I’ve got one, I can use that as a template for a new worktop but, I didn’t, I would certainly not spend a small fortune on systems such as the Parf guide. As it is, I will probably only duplicate every other hole. I’m on no way being disparaging about new ways of working; I just feel personally that the temptation is for relative newcomers to spend a load of money when that money could be better spent at the beginning of their hobby on the basics; and for free, scouring YT to evaluate who is talking sense and who is talking, and selling, nonsense. Peter is excellent for those whose woodworking aspirations are mainly panel work. You can’t go wrong with Peter on that. If you want to develop into making perhaps more traditional work using hardwoods and even introducing curves, then it’s almost a different branch of woodworking. One of our sons works fitting the insides of very expensive RVs. Almost all of his work is panel work and rectangular pieces. He’s truly excellent at making cabinets, edge banding etc. but he only works with hardwoods at home and has learnt most of that from me. That will teach him.
I have the Dashboard. It is head & shoulders above the standard Festool. Once set square it doesn't move! Excellent. It is VERY expensive though & i had to pay an extra £50 on top of what i thought i had to pay for importing it.
Peter, re the US 80/20 extrusions: 80/20 makes extrusions in two imperial sizes. The 10 Series, 1-inch increment base dimension, with a 1/4-inch slot centered on the inch increments. the 15 Series, 1..5 inch increment with a 5/16 slot. They also make metric extrusions in 20, 25, 30, 40, and 50 Series, where the Series number is the base increment, and the slot size is 1/4th of the base increment rounded to the nearest standard bolt. For example, the 30 series has 8-mm slots, and the 20 series has a 5-mm slot. The 30 and 40 series both have 8-mm slots, and the 50 has ten-mm slots. If you contact them, they could make up a precut kit of all the pieces required to make a frame for a top of your design. Which you could sell on Etsy, and they would drop ship the kit tot eh Us and Canada, and possibly Europe.
Hi Peter , First of all great videos but on the subject of extrusion I have been using 40x40 profile along 60x30 both with 8mm slots I purchased these from a company called eurofit here in England . All their various configurations are in a online catalog with a price list also a cutting service . Keep up the good work cheers Ray
Dear Peter, I know I am quite late to the game but I have dealt exactly with your problem and have a nice solution. The profiles you've shown are the Bosch standard of extrusion. But there is a very similar looking but quite different fitting profile standard made by Item. So, if you shop around at eBay or such search for "Item profile" instead of clicking on those Bosch profiles. A lot of 3rd parties are making these, so you don't need to buy those expensive extrusions from Rexroth or Item. They not only fit a clamp in an 8mm slot but also fit most t-track compatible hardware. You can get a lot of accessoires for both profiles and screw nylon sliders on your hinges if they won't fit. I hope that helps! Regards, Etna.
I think in a past video you mentioned Ooznest was making extrusions for CNCs. Would their extrusions not be compatible? Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing more of it, as it is food for thought for my tiny crammed basement workshop.
Great video as always, Peter. Now I must go and find what extrusion the Sautershop folks use for their Variobench, though it’s designed to use dogs and not a pivoting track.
I had a MFT top CNC'd for me and unfortunately if I use a fence and dogs and use my Woodpeckers square, it is about 0.25mm out of square. So now I am looking at the Dashboard Guide Rail Brackets. With those you can shift the rails and align it to the fence perfectly square. Looking forward to your projects with the Guide Rails. I hope you produce a plan we can purchase for a workshop MFT table with options to use other extrusions besides the cheap Ikea ones.
Hi Peter, I built a 8 x 4 MFT using the KJN 4040 profile and the dashboard bracket. I found the same issue that the supplied imperial hardware only just fit but Rob was kind enough to send some bigger fittings. I was planning on using a 1400mm rail but because of the large overhang I had to buy the bigger 1900mm rail to span the bench.
@@olivermarks1185 hello, yes he did it was a simple swap for the new hardware. The KJN MFT works great. I built a router into one end of mine but I am planning on reducing the length of the MFT by a 1/3 effectively making the router table portion separate to accommodated a table saw and use the MFT as an out feed/ assembly table. I can’t recommend KJN enough.
Peter, I really like my MFT/3 but I'm looking at the dashboard guide rail brackets too. Even their Bench looks like a promising alternative to an outdated platform that the MFT (/3) has become. But like anything else, it all comes at a cost. 🤷♂️ All the Best, Chuck
Hi Peter, very much enjoy your videos. They are very professionally presented. I was wondering if you have looked at the Veritas Quad T-Slot Track for your new MFT top.. I do not know if the length would work but they appear to be the right general dimensions for the front and back of your build. thanks again!
I have recently added an Incra T-trak to my MFT style bench, only finding the fixings are stopping clamps from running freely. They are pan-headed, should I use say counter sunk screws or simply glue the track to the bench?
Thank you for the education. I'm in the process of deciding, build or purchase a MTF system. I'v e been waiting for a comparision to building, and you've provided a lot to think through. Well done.👍
Hi Peter, have you looked at the Incra T track, not sure if the sizes are what you’re looking for, but they’re well built, and certainly thicker material than the ikea curtain track 😆
Thinking out loud here, and off the cuff: That curtain track seems very subpar considering how beefy the Dashboard hinge is (I was going to give you a shout out regarding that since I picked one up myself - have yet to use it though - and hey! You have one!). So. Why not just bolt that Dashboard directly to the bench substrate? Except I also think its' excessive length is going to be a problem for you. If like me you put the track hinge in one spot there really is no need for a track back there (could be missing something though). The stock festool track hinge seems to have been pranged a bit - I can't trust it to lay the track down on the matching pin. Bit of a faff. Very keen to see how this project goes.
There’s lots more to come on this build, and many of your questions will be answered then. Lateral adjustment is very useful for the rail hinge, so some kind of extrusion or t-track - or maybe just a router t-slot - does the job. 👍
I would love if someone made something for attaching a maffel/Bosch track that you can put on a MFT3 Edit: just realized that dash board one offers it, but damn that price is painful.
Very informative video as usual Peter. Is there a front rail support for the festool hinge? Its a shame there is not an affordable hinge for the Dewalt track which I use, although the dewalt saw can run on festool track, so might end getting a short length for my bench.
Thanks Nigel. Only the Festool extrusion - or the ikea curtain track - will work with the Festool rail supports, front & rear. Not aware of any options for alternative rails - most saws will run in Festool-pattern rails, so I guess there’s limited appeal in someone developing one. 👍👍
For a fixed bench in a small space, I wonder why you would need to have the rail hinge slide along a rail. Or, you might consider having the rear rail mounted over a limited span, maybe 20 cm and not over the full length of bench. I understand the need for some adjustability for alignment, but you also have tight quarters and may need the space behind the fence.
You don’t, necessarily. But if you have the full length of extrusion, you may as well fit it. Depending on your rail hinge, you could fit it permanently to the bench, or route. T-slot to suit in the bench material. For flexibility though, the curtain track extrusion is excellent. 👍
Brilliant info as usual. I use rail dogs + collars with my dewalt track saw, I would use bench dogs and clips but the rubbish dewalt track doesnt work with them. A hinge setup would be nice as the rail dogs system is accurate but its a bit grabby in the MTF style top which means its a bit of a faff to insert and extract, so for doing just one or two cross cuts I often find myself not bothing to use them at all which isn't ideal.
Hi peter, I am thinking of making my own extrusion from a mix of plywood and sheet aluminium. Just wondering if you can tell me how thick the walls of the extrusion are on the festool mft profile? thanks x
Just what I had been hoping you would release. :) I like your portable bench design a lot, but the one thing I wished it had, was an attachment system for the edges. This could be exactly what I have been looking for. :)
There is a t-track that fits the Festool clamps manufactured by Orange Aluminum in the US. It is available from Amazon in 36” and 48” lengths. It is also available direct from the manufacturer; but the freight is ridiculous.
Hi Peter. Is the profile on the Festool hinge removable? The part that slides into the extrusion. If it is, surely a new piece could be machined to suit standard 8mm KJN extrusion.
Hi Peter, most likely you had this thought already but if not. If your guide track is going in the same location in the shop what about creating a pocket in the wall (old doorway) to allow the Dashboard hinge the clearance it needs? Best of luck and I can't wait to see a review of the dashboard system, it looks pretty nice.
@@silverfox8801 As in took away the plastic part that slides on to the extrusion and just used the metal face frame? This was my fallback, hows it working for you?
Hi Peter,you could not have timed your build of your MFT at the right moment..I am just about to build one myself,but,I'm going to wait,and see what you, the "Tracksaw King" comes up with. BTW in the past I have had those narrow tracks that just dont quite fit an 8mm bolt, my remedy was to use 6mm roofing bolts from the popular diy outlets,file down the sides,remove a bit from the dome of the head,hey presto, it worked, in the track,downside you had to make some homemade clamps,a little crude I know,but it worked. Keep up the fantastic work ATB
I built a modular workbench out of aluminium extrusion last year. I found there were two different types of extrusion, BR (Bosch Rexroth) and IR (Item) both available from KJN in the UK. It looks like you have the BR extrusion which has the little groves either side of the slot. I used the IR 40x40L extrusion which doesn’t have those groves and found the Festool ratchet clamps work really well.
Thanks. The Festool clamps - and most rail clamps - will work with most off-the-shelf 8mm and 10mm extrusion. The issue is with the rail hinge and support. 👍👍
Thanks for replying Peter. When you have a moment have a look at the profiles on KJNs website. The Item profile is thicker (has a little return) where grove is which I think will work with your hinge support.
I'm going to be renovating my kitchen, I'll be building the cabinets for myself. Because I'll be saving thousands compared to buying a fitted kitchen, I do have enough money in the budget to buy the Makita track saw. I also had the UJK MFT in my Axminster basket, but thanks to your videos, I've realised there's nothing about an MFT I can't build myself, if I can source the extrusions and top. I've done small scale fine woodwork, building guitars, and larger scale rough carpentry, building my Roubo bench and my wrap around work desk in the office. This will be the first time I attempt fine cabinetmaking at a large scale.
I think that you'll find that 8020 is just the company name and that lots of US based YT videos use the term 8020 as a general moniker when referring to aluminium profile, rather than profile that specifically has those measurements. And of course, 8020 sell profile in lots of different sizes and not just their eponymous namesake.
wonderfully explained, so i wonder does the benchdog and festool stuff fit in 40x80 nut 8mm extrusion? ah bugger as i watched longer you said again that it does but i am guessing it dows not with every 8mm extrusion you have Itype which has a deepth of 12 min and B Type which have less. like both rotex are B Type and item and the 40mm standart is the i Type. guess i hve to get the festool system once i got a tracksaw as my whole workbench combo is makde of 40x80 i type extrusion
Peter - the box of Rutland's T-Track fittings are ... Imperial - 5/16 in fact. Was hoping they had sold them all off by now and supplying metric instead.
Pete, I want to build my own MFT table I am using a Festool 1400 and LR32 wanted to a ask you what is a good 22mm bit for the holes. I'm in the us . Ty
No 20mm bit will give a snug fit used with a router unfortunately, due to router run-out. I heave my own bit being manufactured that will help compensate for this, but it’s a little way off yet.
13:39 You'd be surprised how hard it is to find T nuts and bolts in my region. I've been to multiple specialised hardware stores, today, even two Festool dealers and no one could help me out. Looks like Amazon will be the only company making money off of me 😕
I am really looking forward to this bill! I’ve been wanting to do a custom MFT style bench up against the long wall of my small basement shop for a while.
Greetings Peter, love the channel and the content. I’ve got an extrusion puzzle I’m hoping you can possibly help me with. I’ve got a Bosch GTS1031 table saw. It has an odd shaped extrusion for the front rail. I’m looking for some kind of t-nut to attach to the top slot of the rail, but the inner edge of the top slot is at an angle, instead of the normal half of a hexagon. Any idea what kind of nut would work?
No, sorry; the more I look into extrusion the more of a minefield it seems to be, especially with manufacturers trying to lock in their own accessories etc... 🤷♂️ 👍
Great video very informative; not sure if you are aware but the aluminium extrusions on bench look like Bosch Rexroth; if they are; then Rexroth also sell the T nuts and other ancillaries for their extrusion; if you look on their website there is a fully dimensioned technical section for each and every extrusion they make and sell; I hope this helps?
Brilliant Peter, you must be psychic, I was just looking for some profile as I'm thinking of making an MFT. Thanks for all of your research, it helps so much.
@@10MinuteWorkshop hi, a valid concern but I was thinking a friction fit that would compress slightly as the clamp tightened. Adhesive would prevent them being used for there original purpose.
Bought the Festool rail hinge a month ago and had virtually given up looking for an extrusion that would fit it. Thank you for showing the IKEA rail, will be down to IKEA tonight. Have all the knobs M6 and M8 with T bolts. I want to use one of my Makita rails. The IKEA rail you will find it in the curtain selection, as with all Ikea stores it is advisable to take a compass with you.
I went through this same conundrum after buying the Festool rail hinge and naively expected it to fit some normal T Track. I’ve found some extrusion that fits the plastic ‘T profile’ of the MFT hinge/front support perfectly. However… it’s box profile so I need to route a 7mm channel into it which I haven’t got round to doing yet. It is 2mm thick so it’s nowhere near as thin as the Ikea stuff but nor is it as thick as some of the other extrusions. I plan to site it in the 4x2 rails of my bench so I’m hopeful there’ll be enough support around it
@@williba24 Sorry Brian, I’ve replied to this with a link numerous times but it never saves/sends the link. On eBay, 20mmx15mm Aluminium Rectangular Tube Box Section
Peter, do you have hollow walls behind your MFT area? Would it be possible to cut into the wall (just on your side)/ box out hinge movement area to allow the Dashboard hinge to function without shrinking your work area? Just an idea.
I literally just ordered two original Festool 2 meter (comes in pair) rails (front and back MFT/3 style) today, after hours of research. I too have my MFT stationary and wanted it larger, and didn't feel like buying another MFT/3 just to "connect" them with their silly connector rods (still a huge gab between the tables). They cost me around £ 220, and I'll make my own MDF top with the parf guide.
Hi Peter, a quick question regarding the OEM Festool rail hinges. Does the MFT3 version fit the older MFT 1080? I know the parts numbers for the MFT3 and MFT 1080 rail hinges are different and it's hard to find stock of the older discontinued version for my old 1080. As always, thanks for the great content!
Ooo, good question. Yes, I had the same issue and bought the MFT/3 hinge myself - works fine on the 1080 profile. I’ll be sure to mention that in the build video, thanks! 🙌👍
Buy the right parts. The cheap extrusion is going to be a constant problem and might at best save £250. You’ve already spent premium money on Festool tools, and you need absolute accuracy when cross-cutting. Don’t step over £s to save Shillings 😅
Peter you said around 3:16 that you could purchase the MFT3 extrusion? Can we purchase the extrusion alone to make a bench and attach it? Am I understanding this correctly? Please provide a link where I can purchase the MFT3 extrusion and one of my life’s frustrations will be over!!! Thank you!!! Sorry Peter I found them!!!😁
Thanks Peter. Is there any way you could talk Benchdogs into making their own rail hinge? One with less of an overhang than the Dashboard and that fits the KJS extrusions? I'm sure there would be many of us that would buy it.
Peter, another great video. I saw another guy make his own channel into his bench frame. He cut a groove and screwed metal strips above and below the groove wide enough to accept tools and hinges, etc. He added t track like yours to the top of the frame. Would definitely stronger than the Ikea track. Thanks again
Missing the point Michael. The walls of the extrusion are too thin, so the clamp stands proud; doesn’t matter wether you have a workpiece in there or not, you’ll never be able to clamp it securely because you’ll clamp it to the clamp, not to the extrusion. 👍
Hopefully this isn't a really stupid question, but if I want to use the festool front support, could I use the t-track or would I use the IKEA curtain rail?
IKEA curtain track for the Festool front & rear rail supports. With all the issues highlighted in the video re clamp compatibility, unfortunately. 🤷♂️
Hi Peter, I was in Ikea today by chance and remembered this video from February 😁. Not sure if the Ikea top brass follow your channel but the 1.4 Meter "Vidga" triple curtain track is now £22 a length (with ceiling fittings that is). Considerably more expensive than the £1 per length you mention in this video, perhaps they have realised from your video that they are missing an untapped market 🤣🤣🤣🤣 just thought you might be interested, take care.
Peter, great review! But, I still am a bit confused on the way to move forward. 😀 I CNC’d my own MFT-style top about 10 years ago, just prior to buying my Festool TS55. It is 3’ x 7’ - I removed a foot in each dimension from a full sheet of MDF. My “MFT-XL” bench also serves as my table saw outfeed table, and outfeed for my planer which resides on a mobile cart. I still just use bench dogs to position rails when using the track saw. I would love to add a rail hinge to the bench, so you have given me some ideas on how to proceed.
I remember 15years ago woodworking t track was almost non existent in my area. A lot of people used marine sail track. The extrusion companies stopped selling it years ago though.
Please, please, please, say what MFT is first. I'm a photographer and a woodworker, and to me, MFT means Micro Four Thirds, a sensor size. Putting Multi Function Table first don't hurt. 😋
If it’s the standard Dewalt track, then the benchdogs square will work. benchdogs.co.uk/products/mk2-rail-square-dewalt-1 Use offer code 10MINUTEWORKSHOP at checkout for a 5% discount across the board. 👍
Peter, would you consider making your mft top using a jig rather than the lr32 , for the purposes of an information vid? A catchy video title that pitted the Parf 2 system against Trend's mft jig would guarantee tens of thousands of views....in my opinion. Just a thought !
I will be interested to see what material you fit the t-track into on the front. Given it is 12mm deep I think 18mm material would leave too little material on the back to secure and support it. I heard of t track pull out before when clamping pieces. I would think you'd need to use at least 24mm, say MDF, so the grove to accept the t-track left 12mm material behind it. Interested to keep watching and find out.
Main reason was to have other clamping options eg I can set a stop in the top track for the rail hinge front support, and still have clamping options with the lower track without affecting the stop in the upper. But generally, just good to have the option. 👍
If that hing extends too far back, can’t you cut a piece off? You’ll obviously loose at least one screw hole but I have no idea if that would compromise solidity or accuracy...
I have not seen a Festool oem rail hinge in person and cannot seem to find it on the Festool site but is there a possibility of being able to replace the fitting that slides into the metal extrusion with a 3D printed part that could then be a) reproduced b) sold to other people (like me) who would be interested in such a thing. 250 smackaroonies (which is going to be the scottish currency when we vote for independence :D) for an American import is a bit steep for DIYers.
There are links in the video description Colin. Long story short, no, I don't see how that's possible - and with Ikea curtain-track at £19/length, is it really worth anyone's while making them? 👍
Have you ever considered wrapping around the mft top, to the front? Obviously not as flexible having holes, rather than a track, but wondering if a mix of both is an option?
"Wrapping around" - I think Craig means to have a few rows of holes on a piece of MDF installed where the extrusion currently is - i.e vertically/ 90 degrees to the existing one - like you often get with bigger welding tables if you want to Google for a picture. I guess you'd still have to have a small bit of extrusion to attach your front locator peg for the track, or attach it in another way
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Profile madness, it's a minefield to get a decent rail profile at a decent price. Good to see progress is being made. Keep the visa coming. Karl W
Peter, what can I say. Once again an extremely timely video for my current shop set up. Long story short my tablesaw and I had a falling out, and that’s when I discovered your channel. You have single-handedly talked to me into building my shop around the track saw systems. Thank you so much for making this simple and for helping me get it. I have a bunch of 80/20 profiles around, a story there too, but I think I can put this together now from what you showed us in this video. The Dashboard system seems to be well worth the extra money, I’ve been watching their videos as well. Once again Peter your contribution to this community cannot be overstated.
Agree 100%
@Tony - I just posted a question regarding 80/20 profiles and saw your comment. If you happen to have a 1030 profile around and own a Festool Quick Clamp - can you let me know if the Festool clamp is compatible with the 1030 profile? Thanks!
That was most aluminating!
You are thinking out of the curtains LOL Thanks for sharing this video. I've learned a lot again.
This is brilliant, so detailed. Thanks Peter.
One thing I was going to add was that having 22mm board above the vidga track to add stability would limit your depth of cut with the Festool hinge.
Yes - though one of the benefits of the Dashboard hinge is the increased range it brings - and I rarely adjust the height tbh. And thanks! 👍
Thanks for the info, particularly the part number for the hinge. I’ve been trying to make my own hinge support for a while and getting the part number has just convinced me to stop being stingy and buy one. Cheers.
I know, right; at ~£75 for the hinge & Ikea curtain track, it’s pretty hard to beat. Unfortunately. 🤷♂️👍
As always you provided exceptionally useful informations in your video. Thank you.
Peter, thank your for all your excellent videos.
I am a recently beginning woodworker and have binge-watched most of your videos in multiple sittings. Your calm, no-nonsense, and well-informed manner has helped me understand a great many things, separate the wheat from chaff, and helped me develop a progression and set of priorities in my avocation, build my shop with solid understanding of how to accomplish my objectives, and invest wisely.
There are many content producers that have lots of flash but little substance, or who don't speak from the experience of a real, long term, working maker. Thank you for all you are doing, and have done.
Thanks Alan! Really pleased to hear that the videos have helped. 👍👍🙌
Hi Peter. Quick question: why did you buy the extrusion (the one from KJN) with a 10mm slot? Does 8mm not fit the Festool clamps and the Dashboard hinge? Sorry if you’ve answered that elsewhere, I’ll watch the rest of the video, just scrolled forward to that bit, but I was assuming that 8mm is the way to go until I saw this.
Apparently our USA "5/16" toilet bolts" work well with 8mm T-track.
Looking forward to seeing this all come together sir. Cheers!
Great coverage of what's out there. Another option is to just use Dog stops so you don't have to use the flip up rail feature at all.
I took a look at my Festool mounting fixings and added a cut down of a rail connector to my back pivoting mount, to make it a bit stronger. Much like the Festool OEM version has that you were showing. Because I never use the back rail and angle protractor, I used a long length of Incra T-Track Plus that I mounted directly to the back on the top of my MFT, then I calibrated the scale in the track. This allows me to have a full 27.5" (700mm) cross cut width on my MFT.
If I was looking to start over, I think I would look very closely at some of the offerings from Dashboard as they have some great ideas that they have done with their machined aluminum gear besides their flip up rail. A bit expensive for Europe, but they look robust compared to their competition.
Thanks! And yes, I agree - but as I say at the start of the vid for me in my small workshop I certainly wouldn't want to be without a hinged rail! 👍
It would be interesting to see how/if both the festool and the PWS hinge work on the wolfcraft mastercut m2600
Note for US viewers. 8mm is very close to 5/16-ths of an inch, (less than a 1% difference). The 80/20 15 series extrusions work well with most things made for the extrusions with 8-mm slots. I’m midway through designing and building my own alternative, and have been researching a bit on readily available options for the US and Canada.
And, the Incra miter gauge fence and flip stop are probably going to be used for the fence assembly. I have it on a miter gauge, and the ability to lock precise 32nd inch, or if you set it up for metric 1-mm positions is really handy.
@Randall Thomas - I’m in the early stages of design for my mft table. Not sure how to send you a private message if you wouldn’t mind sharing some of your ideas? I like the 8020.
So Ikea is going to experience a disproportional run on curtain tracks in English speaking countries, and will never know why.
Yep! 😂
Excellent video but, what a confusing subject with all those extrusions fitting this but not fitting that. Everyone has their own way of working and so I have no problem with whatever set up you have - providing you know the options.
Is it me do others agree that the whole MFT arena is full of very expensive options. The fear is that newcomers think that they have to splash out huge amounts to get good results. In fact, I would suggest those newcomers don’t buy any MFT bench, accessories at all until they have worked out what suits them and their space. I’m lucky in that my workshop is now virtually 9m x 8m. That’s plenty of room for the table saw as my main means of cutting panels down. I do use the Festool track saw if I want long strips or just to cut panels in half - but that’s more because of the awkwardness and weight of heavier panels (don’t mock, it will come to you as well). I’ve had a MFT style top (1600 x 1000) for maybe 10 years and I still haven’t used the majority of the holes. Because I’ve got one, I can use that as a template for a new worktop but, I didn’t, I would certainly not spend a small fortune on systems such as the Parf guide. As it is, I will probably only duplicate every other hole.
I’m on no way being disparaging about new ways of working; I just feel personally that the temptation is for relative newcomers to spend a load of money when that money could be better spent at the beginning of their hobby on the basics; and for free, scouring YT to evaluate who is talking sense and who is talking, and selling, nonsense.
Peter is excellent for those whose woodworking aspirations are mainly panel work. You can’t go wrong with Peter on that. If you want to develop into making perhaps more traditional work using hardwoods and even introducing curves, then it’s almost a different branch of woodworking. One of our sons works fitting the insides of very expensive RVs. Almost all of his work is panel work and rectangular pieces. He’s truly excellent at making cabinets, edge banding etc. but he only works with hardwoods at home and has learnt most of that from me. That will teach him.
I have the Dashboard. It is head & shoulders above the standard Festool. Once set square it doesn't move! Excellent. It is VERY expensive though & i had to pay an extra £50 on top of what i thought i had to pay for importing it.
Peter, re the US 80/20 extrusions: 80/20 makes extrusions in two imperial sizes. The 10 Series, 1-inch increment base dimension, with a 1/4-inch slot centered on the inch increments. the 15 Series, 1..5 inch increment with a 5/16 slot. They also make metric extrusions in 20, 25, 30, 40, and 50 Series, where the Series number is the base increment, and the slot size is 1/4th of the base increment rounded to the nearest standard bolt. For example, the 30 series has 8-mm slots, and the 20 series has a 5-mm slot. The 30 and 40 series both have 8-mm slots, and the 50 has ten-mm slots.
If you contact them, they could make up a precut kit of all the pieces required to make a frame for a top of your design. Which you could sell on Etsy, and they would drop ship the kit tot eh Us and Canada, and possibly Europe.
Great info, thanks Randall! 👍
Hi Peter , First of all great videos but on the subject of extrusion I have been using 40x40 profile along 60x30 both with 8mm slots I purchased these from a company called eurofit here in England . All their various configurations are in a online catalog with a price list also a cutting service . Keep up the good work cheers Ray
Dear Peter, I know I am quite late to the game but I have dealt exactly with your problem and have a nice solution. The profiles you've shown are the Bosch standard of extrusion. But there is a very similar looking but quite different fitting profile standard made by Item. So, if you shop around at eBay or such search for "Item profile" instead of clicking on those Bosch profiles. A lot of 3rd parties are making these, so you don't need to buy those expensive extrusions from Rexroth or Item. They not only fit a clamp in an 8mm slot but also fit most t-track compatible hardware. You can get a lot of accessoires for both profiles and screw nylon sliders on your hinges if they won't fit.
I hope that helps!
Regards,
Etna.
Thanks. Yes, the Item extrusion is an option, but it still wont tale the Festool hardware. 👍
I think in a past video you mentioned Ooznest was making extrusions for CNCs. Would their extrusions not be compatible? Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing more of it, as it is food for thought for my tiny crammed basement workshop.
No, as U say in this build, the 8020 and 4020 extrusion from Ooznest uses a smaller 6mm slot that won’t fit rail clamps.
Great video as always, Peter. Now I must go and find what extrusion the Sautershop folks use for their Variobench, though it’s designed to use dogs and not a pivoting track.
The Minitec is really nice and I had high hopes that it might accommodate the Festool hinge - but no! What a surprise! 😂 🤷♂️
I had a MFT top CNC'd for me and unfortunately if I use a fence and dogs and use my Woodpeckers square, it is about 0.25mm out of square. So now I am looking at the Dashboard Guide Rail Brackets. With those you can shift the rails and align it to the fence perfectly square. Looking forward to your projects with the Guide Rails. I hope you produce a plan we can purchase for a workshop MFT table with options to use other extrusions besides the cheap Ikea ones.
Hi Peter, I built a 8 x 4 MFT using the KJN 4040 profile and the dashboard bracket. I found the same issue that the supplied imperial hardware only just fit but Rob was kind enough to send some bigger fittings. I was planning on using a 1400mm rail but because of the large overhang I had to buy the bigger 1900mm rail to span the bench.
Hi Daniel I am planning to do the same! Did Rob send you replacement T nuts? Was it an easy fix? How is the kjn mft working out for you? Cheers!
@@olivermarks1185 hello, yes he did it was a simple swap for the new hardware. The KJN MFT works great. I built a router into one end of mine but I am planning on reducing the length of the MFT by a 1/3 effectively making the router table portion separate to accommodated a table saw and use the MFT as an out feed/ assembly table. I can’t recommend KJN enough.
That’s great thanks for the reply Daniel!
Looking forward to this series. Been thinking of doing this type of build myself for months
Peter, I really like my MFT/3 but I'm looking at the dashboard guide rail brackets too. Even their Bench looks like a promising alternative to an outdated platform that the MFT (/3) has become. But like anything else, it all comes at a cost. 🤷♂️
All the Best, Chuck
Thanks Chuck! Totally agree! 👍
Hi Peter,
very much enjoy your videos. They are very professionally presented. I was wondering if you have looked at the Veritas Quad T-Slot Track for your new MFT top.. I do not know if the length would work but they appear to be the right general dimensions for the front and back of your build. thanks again!
Thanks Bill. Don’t think the quad t-slot works with the Festool rail hinge set, unfortunately. Nice profile otherwise though! 👍 👍
Just checked out the vidga. It’s £25 a length in their uk as I live in Germany I checked it out hear and it was only 16 euros
I have recently added an Incra T-trak to my MFT style bench, only finding the fixings are stopping clamps from running freely. They are pan-headed, should I use say counter sunk screws or simply glue the track to the bench?
Many thanks Peter, Just in the planning stage for my new MFT bench so this was really useful
Super interesting to see how this is moving forward. Thanks Peter👍
The american folk that mention 8020 is actually a brand that make aluminum extrusion.
Thank you for the education. I'm in the process of deciding, build or purchase a MTF system. I'v e been waiting for a comparision to building, and you've provided a lot to think through. Well done.👍
Thanks! I’ve done a couple of MFT builds, all my MFT & MFT-related videos are in a playlist here - bit.ly/MFT-related
Hi Peter, have you looked at the Incra T track, not sure if the sizes are what you’re looking for, but they’re well built, and certainly thicker material than the ikea curtain track 😆
Yes, but they don’t do a size that will accommodate the Festool parts. Great for clamps and regular t-bolts though. 👍
Thinking out loud here, and off the cuff: That curtain track seems very subpar considering how beefy the Dashboard hinge is (I was going to give you a shout out regarding that since I picked one up myself - have yet to use it though - and hey! You have one!). So. Why not just bolt that Dashboard directly to the bench substrate? Except I also think its' excessive length is going to be a problem for you. If like me you put the track hinge in one spot there really is no need for a track back there (could be missing something though). The stock festool track hinge seems to have been pranged a bit - I can't trust it to lay the track down on the matching pin. Bit of a faff. Very keen to see how this project goes.
There’s lots more to come on this build, and many of your questions will be answered then. Lateral adjustment is very useful for the rail hinge, so some kind of extrusion or t-track - or maybe just a router t-slot - does the job. 👍
I would love if someone made something for attaching a maffel/Bosch track that you can put on a MFT3
Edit: just realized that dash board one offers it, but damn that price is painful.
And Bosch/Mafell saws run happily on Festool rails 🤷♂️👍
Thanks for the info Peter, by the way, i like your teeth😁
Very informative video as usual Peter. Is there a front rail support for the festool hinge? Its a shame there is not an affordable hinge for the Dewalt track which I use, although the dewalt saw can run on festool track, so might end getting a short length for my bench.
Thanks Nigel. Only the Festool extrusion - or the ikea curtain track - will work with the Festool rail supports, front & rear.
Not aware of any options for alternative rails - most saws will run in Festool-pattern rails, so I guess there’s limited appeal in someone developing one. 👍👍
Our guide rail brackets are compatible with Dewalt rails.
Which 80 20 series works with this festool system?
For a fixed bench in a small space, I wonder why you would need to have the rail hinge slide along a rail. Or, you might consider having the rear rail mounted over a limited span, maybe 20 cm and not over the full length of bench. I understand the need for some adjustability for alignment, but you also have tight quarters and may need the space behind the fence.
You don’t, necessarily. But if you have the full length of extrusion, you may as well fit it. Depending on your rail hinge, you could fit it permanently to the bench, or route. T-slot to suit in the bench material. For flexibility though, the curtain track extrusion is excellent. 👍
Hi Peter, what an amazing project, will you make plans and parts list available either free or on your a ETSY store?
Steve
Thanks Steve! That’s the general idea, yes. 👍👍
Brilliant info as usual. I use rail dogs + collars with my dewalt track saw, I would use bench dogs and clips but the rubbish dewalt track doesnt work with them. A hinge setup would be nice as the rail dogs system is accurate but its a bit grabby in the MTF style top which means its a bit of a faff to insert and extract, so for doing just one or two cross cuts I often find myself not bothing to use them at all which isn't ideal.
Another great video, always very informative and practical!
Hi peter, I am thinking of making my own extrusion from a mix of plywood and sheet aluminium. Just wondering if you can tell me how thick the walls of the extrusion are on the festool mft profile? thanks x
Hi. Sorry, no; I don’t have an MFT or the extrusion any more, but you should be able to find it with a quick google search 👍👍
thanks peter @@10MinuteWorkshop
Hi Peter. Can you attach clamps positioned horizontally on the benchdog fence?
Rail clamps? No, not on that extrusion - the slots are 6mm. 👍
Just what I had been hoping you would release. :) I like your portable bench design a lot, but the one thing I wished it had, was an attachment system for the edges. This could be exactly what I have been looking for. :)
Duck Peter there’s a drone overhead😱
There is a t-track that fits the Festool clamps manufactured by Orange Aluminum in the US. It is available from Amazon in 36” and 48” lengths. It is also available direct from the manufacturer; but the freight is ridiculous.
Hi Peter. Is the profile on the Festool hinge removable? The part that slides into the extrusion. If it is, surely a new piece could be machined to suit standard 8mm KJN extrusion.
No, it’s all integral - almost like they specifically designed it to stop,you from doing that… 🤔🤷♂️👍
Hi Peter, most likely you had this thought already but if not. If your guide track is going in the same location in the shop what about creating a pocket in the wall (old doorway) to allow the Dashboard hinge the clearance it needs? Best of luck and I can't wait to see a review of the dashboard system, it looks pretty nice.
I’m afraid the seamstresses next door make enough noise without me opening up the wall! But excellent thinking, thanks! 😂👍
Pete. I built a paulk style bench and bought the mft hinge system separately. Works great 👍
How did you attach it Silver Fox?
@@chrissnowden7078 screwed it to the face of both sides buddy. Pretty easy 👍
@@silverfox8801 As in took away the plastic part that slides on to the extrusion and just used the metal face frame?
This was my fallback, hows it working for you?
Hi Peter,you could not have timed your build of your MFT at the right moment..I am just about to build one myself,but,I'm going to wait,and see what you, the "Tracksaw King" comes up with.
BTW in the past I have had those narrow tracks that just dont quite fit an 8mm bolt, my remedy was to use 6mm roofing bolts from the popular diy outlets,file down the sides,remove a bit from the dome of the head,hey presto, it worked, in the track,downside you had to make some homemade clamps,a little crude I know,but it worked.
Keep up the fantastic work ATB
I built a modular workbench out of aluminium extrusion last year. I found there were two different types of extrusion, BR (Bosch Rexroth) and IR (Item) both available from KJN in the UK. It looks like you have the BR extrusion which has the little groves either side of the slot. I used the IR 40x40L extrusion which doesn’t have those groves and found the Festool ratchet clamps work really well.
Thanks. The Festool clamps - and most rail clamps - will work with most off-the-shelf 8mm and 10mm extrusion. The issue is with the rail hinge and support. 👍👍
Thanks for replying Peter. When you have a moment have a look at the profiles on KJNs website. The Item profile is thicker (has a little return) where grove is which I think will work with your hinge support.
I'm going to be renovating my kitchen, I'll be building the cabinets for myself. Because I'll be saving thousands compared to buying a fitted kitchen, I do have enough money in the budget to buy the Makita track saw. I also had the UJK MFT in my Axminster basket, but thanks to your videos, I've realised there's nothing about an MFT I can't build myself, if I can source the extrusions and top.
I've done small scale fine woodwork, building guitars, and larger scale rough carpentry, building my Roubo bench and my wrap around work desk in the office. This will be the first time I attempt fine cabinetmaking at a large scale.
I think that you'll find that 8020 is just the company name and that lots of US based YT videos use the term 8020 as a general moniker when referring to aluminium profile, rather than profile that specifically has those measurements. And of course, 8020 sell profile in lots of different sizes and not just their eponymous namesake.
wonderfully explained, so i wonder does the benchdog and festool stuff fit in 40x80 nut 8mm extrusion? ah bugger as i watched longer you said again that it does but i am guessing it dows not with every 8mm extrusion you have Itype which has a deepth of 12 min and B Type which have less. like both rotex are B Type and item and the 40mm standart is the i Type. guess i hve to get the festool system once i got a tracksaw as my whole workbench combo is makde of 40x80 i type extrusion
Peter - the box of Rutland's T-Track fittings are ... Imperial - 5/16 in fact. Was hoping they had sold them all off by now and supplying metric instead.
Pete, I want to build my own MFT table I am using a Festool 1400 and LR32 wanted to a ask you what is a good 22mm bit for the holes. I'm in the us . Ty
No 20mm bit will give a snug fit used with a router unfortunately, due to router run-out. I heave my own bit being manufactured that will help compensate for this, but it’s a little way off yet.
13:39 You'd be surprised how hard it is to find T nuts and bolts in my region. I've been to multiple specialised hardware stores, today, even two Festool dealers and no one could help me out. Looks like Amazon will be the only company making money off of me 😕
I am really looking forward to this bill! I’ve been wanting to do a custom MFT style bench up against the long wall of my small basement shop for a while.
Hmm, have anyone considered using what is called a Z-channel profile ? By using this type it will be possible to make your own width.
Greetings Peter, love the channel and the content. I’ve got an extrusion puzzle I’m hoping you can possibly help me with.
I’ve got a Bosch GTS1031 table saw. It has an odd shaped extrusion for the front rail. I’m looking for some kind of t-nut to attach to the top slot of the rail, but the inner edge of the top slot is at an angle, instead of the normal half of a hexagon. Any idea what kind of nut would work?
No, sorry; the more I look into extrusion the more of a minefield it seems to be, especially with manufacturers trying to lock in their own accessories etc... 🤷♂️ 👍
Hi Peter Double Aluminum Extrusion from First Tunnels is good I use with rail clamps I don't know about rail
Searching online seems to bring up a huge amount of cheap 9.5mm slot extrusions & very few not so cheap 8mm ones 😆
Great video very informative; not sure if you are aware but the aluminium extrusions on bench look like Bosch Rexroth; if they are; then Rexroth also sell the T nuts and other ancillaries for their extrusion; if you look on their website there is a fully dimensioned technical section for each and every extrusion they make and sell; I hope this helps?
Any chance of a review of the makita battery router versus makita copy.
Mike Woodmansey
Have you asked your friends at Benchdogs, FC Tools etc to consider making a rail hinge?
I’d love to see this
Yep.
Brilliant Peter, you must be psychic, I was just looking for some profile as I'm thinking of making an MFT. Thanks for all of your research, it helps so much.
Hi, I’m wondering if a 3D printed cover for some of the ‘too small’ for the profile clamps might be suitable as a spacer to take up the slack.
Possibly, but it’s a very small profile and I’d be slightly concerned about keeping it attached. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop hi, a valid concern but I was thinking a friction fit that would compress slightly as the clamp tightened. Adhesive would prevent them being used for there original purpose.
Bought the Festool rail hinge a month ago and had virtually given up looking for an extrusion that would fit it. Thank you for showing the IKEA rail, will be down to IKEA tonight. Have all the knobs M6 and M8 with T bolts. I want to use one of my Makita rails. The IKEA rail you will find it in the curtain selection, as with all Ikea stores it is advisable to take a compass with you.
I went through this same conundrum after buying the Festool rail hinge and naively expected it to fit some normal T Track. I’ve found some extrusion that fits the plastic ‘T profile’ of the MFT hinge/front support perfectly.
However… it’s box profile so I need to route a 7mm channel into it which I haven’t got round to doing yet. It is 2mm thick so it’s nowhere near as thin as the Ikea stuff but nor is it as thick as some of the other extrusions.
I plan to site it in the 4x2 rails of my bench so I’m hopeful there’ll be enough support around it
It’s a great find! 👍
@@chrissnowden7078 Where did you get the Extrusion?
@@williba24 Sorry Brian, I’ve replied to this with a link numerous times but it never saves/sends the link.
On eBay, 20mmx15mm Aluminium Rectangular Tube Box Section
Peter, do you have hollow walls behind your MFT area? Would it be possible to cut into the wall (just on your side)/ box out hinge movement area to allow the Dashboard hinge to function without shrinking your work area? Just an idea.
No link to the watch strap?!
😂 I can if you really want… ⌚️👌
I literally just ordered two original Festool 2 meter (comes in pair) rails (front and back MFT/3 style) today, after hours of research. I too have my MFT stationary and wanted it larger, and didn't feel like buying another MFT/3 just to "connect" them with their silly connector rods (still a huge gab between the tables). They cost me around £ 220, and I'll make my own MDF top with the parf guide.
Neighbours are wondering what happened to their curtain rails...
T Rack is one decision. What size holes? 3/4" or 20mm?
Hi Peter, a quick question regarding the OEM Festool rail hinges. Does the MFT3 version fit the older MFT 1080?
I know the parts numbers for the MFT3 and MFT 1080 rail hinges are different and it's hard to find stock of the older discontinued version for my old 1080.
As always, thanks for the great content!
Ooo, good question. Yes, I had the same issue and bought the MFT/3 hinge myself - works fine on the 1080 profile. I’ll be sure to mention that in the build video, thanks! 🙌👍
Buy the right parts. The cheap extrusion is going to be a constant problem and might at best save £250. You’ve already spent premium money on Festool tools, and you need absolute accuracy when cross-cutting. Don’t step over £s to save Shillings 😅
What he the later videos. I get absolute accuracy from IKEA curtain track and a birch ply rail hinge. 👍
Peter you said around 3:16 that you could purchase the MFT3 extrusion? Can we purchase the extrusion alone to make a bench and attach it? Am I understanding this correctly? Please provide a link where I can purchase the MFT3 extrusion and one of my life’s frustrations will be over!!! Thank you!!! Sorry Peter I found them!!!😁
👍👍 It’s a pain I can’t link to them directly, but they’re easy enough to find with the parts number.
Thanks Peter. Is there any way you could talk Benchdogs into making their own rail hinge? One with less of an overhang than the Dashboard and that fits the KJS extrusions? I'm sure there would be many of us that would buy it.
It's been suggested... 🤷♂️ 👍
Peter, another great video. I saw another guy make his own channel into his bench frame. He cut a groove and screwed metal strips above and below the groove wide enough to accept tools and hinges, etc. He added t track like yours to the top of the frame. Would definitely stronger than the Ikea track. Thanks again
9:27 but you never clamp without anything between?
Only clamping the clamp makes no sense for me.
Missing the point Michael. The walls of the extrusion are too thin, so the clamp stands proud; doesn’t matter wether you have a workpiece in there or not, you’ll never be able to clamp it securely because you’ll clamp it to the clamp, not to the extrusion. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop ok, thank you, i understand now. Makes sense 👍
I did not think about that.
I got some of that IKEA curtain track as well, not sure where I saw it mentioned, maybe your video or facebook? I paid just 10p a length!
I did only get the single rather than triple profile though.
FWIW my festool clamps seem to work perfectly.
Hopefully this isn't a really stupid question, but if I want to use the festool front support, could I use the t-track or would I use the IKEA curtain rail?
IKEA curtain track for the Festool front & rear rail supports. With all the issues highlighted in the video re clamp compatibility, unfortunately. 🤷♂️
@@10MinuteWorkshop many thanks for all your help😁
Hi Peter, I was in Ikea today by chance and remembered this video from February 😁.
Not sure if the Ikea top brass follow your channel but the 1.4 Meter "Vidga" triple curtain track is now £22 a length (with ceiling fittings that is).
Considerably more expensive than the £1 per length you mention in this video, perhaps they have realised from your video that they are missing an untapped market 🤣🤣🤣🤣 just thought you might be interested, take care.
Thanks! I think I say that it was on a special offer at the time, but even so, £22 for a 1.4m length of extrusion isn’t actually bad value! 👍😂
Peter, great review! But, I still am a bit confused on the way to move forward. 😀
I CNC’d my own MFT-style top about 10 years ago, just prior to buying my Festool TS55. It is 3’ x 7’ - I removed a foot in each dimension from a full sheet of MDF. My “MFT-XL” bench also serves as my table saw outfeed table, and outfeed for my planer which resides on a mobile cart. I still just use bench dogs to position rails when using the track saw. I would love to add a rail hinge to the bench, so you have given me some ideas on how to proceed.
I remember 15years ago woodworking t track was almost non existent in my area. A lot of people used marine sail track. The extrusion companies stopped selling it years ago though.
Please, please, please, say what MFT is first. I'm a photographer and a woodworker, and to me, MFT means Micro Four Thirds, a sensor size. Putting Multi Function Table first don't hurt. 😋
Watch the first 40 seconds again - I do exactly that. 🤷♂️👍
Hey Peter, I am trying to find a rail guide square for my DEWALT 1300W 165mm Circular Plunge Saw DWS520KTK-XE track. can you help, please?
If it’s the standard Dewalt track, then the benchdogs square will work. benchdogs.co.uk/products/mk2-rail-square-dewalt-1 Use offer code 10MINUTEWORKSHOP at checkout for a 5% discount across the board. 👍
Thanks heaps, Peter. It is just the job!
Peter, would you consider making your mft top using a jig rather than the lr32 , for the purposes of an information vid? A catchy video title that pitted the Parf 2 system against Trend's mft jig would guarantee tens of thousands of views....in my opinion. Just a thought !
That’s a topic for a separate video, I think. I just need to get this top made without any fuss and bother. 👍👍
I'm Australia festool just released the MFT profile in 2x 2m packs for 260 pounds equivalent. It's this available where you are?
Yes, but that’s still ~£70/metre. 😯
I will be interested to see what material you fit the t-track into on the front. Given it is 12mm deep I think 18mm material would leave too little material on the back to secure and support it. I heard of t track pull out before when clamping pieces. I would think you'd need to use at least 24mm, say MDF, so the grove to accept the t-track left 12mm material behind it. Interested to keep watching and find out.
Design choice question please Peter.
Why two Rutland T tracks at the front (assuming for clamp use)?
Main reason was to have other clamping options eg I can set a stop in the top track for the rail hinge front support, and still have clamping options with the lower track without affecting the stop in the upper. But generally, just good to have the option. 👍
If that hing extends too far back, can’t you cut a piece off? You’ll obviously loose at least one screw hole but I have no idea if that would compromise solidity or accuracy...
No, can’t be trimmed unfortunately.
That was a very nice video Peter. I’m looking forward to the build 😊
I have not seen a Festool oem rail hinge in person and cannot seem to find it on the Festool site but is there a possibility of being able to replace the fitting that slides into the metal extrusion with a 3D printed part that could then be a) reproduced b) sold to other people (like me) who would be interested in such a thing. 250 smackaroonies (which is going to be the scottish currency when we vote for independence :D) for an American import is a bit steep for DIYers.
There are links in the video description Colin. Long story short, no, I don't see how that's possible - and with Ikea curtain-track at £19/length, is it really worth anyone's while making them? 👍
Just got a notification from Benchdogs regarding their new Quad MFT Hinge System and thought would this be of any use to you for your new layout?
I should be getting hands-on with in in a few days, will keep you posted. 👍
Cut forward six months and we'll be able to go to IKEA and purchase the MILVARD MFT!
😂😂👍
Peter - I think you'll find that those Rutlands 8mm bolts that aren't M8 are actually 5/16" x 18tpi
Thanks - I do say that in the description. 👍
Have you ever considered wrapping around the mft top, to the front? Obviously not as flexible having holes, rather than a track, but wondering if a mix of both is an option?
Sorry, not sure I understand ‘swapping round the MFT top to the front’ ?? 🤔
"Wrapping around" - I think Craig means to have a few rows of holes on a piece of MDF installed where the extrusion currently is - i.e vertically/ 90 degrees to the existing one - like you often get with bigger welding tables if you want to Google for a picture. I guess you'd still have to have a small bit of extrusion to attach your front locator peg for the track, or attach it in another way
Check out hooked on wood ruclips.net/video/70DEFtp_2ew/видео.html . He has built a bench that wraps around on the front
@@10MinuteWorkshop Dennis did this on his workbench, cut 45s on the edges and have some vertical mft love available too 😅
@@londonmaker5347 This is exactly the example I was going to use. Hooked on Woods is what I pictured. Love his stuff