The New NES Tetris World Record Is UNBELIEVABLE
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2022
- On April 1st, EricICX beat the previous NES Tetris score world record by 1.4 million points. And no, it wasn't an April Fools joke.
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Luminist - Solar Movement
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Special thanks to:
Cheez: / cheeztetris
Classic Tetris Monthly: / monthlytetris
Classic Tetris World Championship: / classictetris
Huffulufugus: / huffulufugus
For those unfamiliar with the scene, NES Tetris is a 33 year old game that has sparked competition ever since the 1990 Nintendo World Championships. The scene was revived in 2010 with the advent of the Classic Tetris World Championship, and since then the talent pool has continued to grow year after year. Joseph Saelee brought hypertapping to the forefront of the scene with his win in 2018, and ever since other players have been innovating. Cheez created rolling as a way to move pieces as fast as possible back in 2020, and the scene hasn't been the same since.
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Is NES Tetris a marathon game now? Subscribe if you want to see more content for Tetris and other competitive games :D
It feels like we’re heading in that direction
My own question is, are we better off to have Tetris as a marathon game, or as a “be the more efficient player over 230 lines” game?
Absolutely imo
Even a marathon is a sprint race
@@PieceDependencyPodcast Exactly. If both players can go deep into the kill screen with similar effort, the "just get singles on the kill screen" advantage diminishes significantly.
Always has been
I will never cease to be amazed by how a game can be so simple, and yet so complex at the same time.
The rules are simple, the strategies are complicated. Look at Go for eg.
I think that's part of the success of tetris.
@@Peat030 the most importand thing is that it is consistent. there aren't rules that have multiple outcomes for the same move.
I previously had mentioned stacking shape in 29+, saying that I believed that a bowl shape (high on sides, low in middle) is likely optimal at these speeds. But I was second guessing this, seeing as how many recent records featured stacking in the more traditional style (right well). But now I noticed that Eric's stacking in this particular game is more like what I had been conjecturing as the most robust style. Note how often he immediately places pieces vertically into columns 1 and 10. It will be very interesting to compare the 29+ stacking styles of those able to achieve these long games as we move forward!
The issue with center wells is that if you're going for tetrises they're inherently mathematically inconsistent because of how the tetrominos fit together
But if you're fine grinding out a multi-hour game to get as many points as possible then yeah you're right, a center well is pretty nice.
@@codetaku Of course. As the game progresses from 18, to 19, to 29, the focus becomes more survival, and trying to get Tetrises when possible. At the level of top players, center well is not optimal for anything before level 29.
@@MrBrain4
Had you previously mentioned and conjectured that? Where? In a random RUclips comment?
@@Bollibompa No. I had frequently been mentioning it, especially in Fractal's streams where he was trying for "colors" in PAL Tetris. I had noticed early on in his attempts, he was getting further more consistently when stacking with more of a bowl shape, rather than flat, or right well. I also noticed that when he started going away from that bowl style of stacking, that his center would then quickly get too high, and cause stacking difficulties.
@@Bollibompa But also, yes, I did mention it in a RUclips comment as well. But it wasn't a random comment. Rather it related directly to the style of stacking seen in the particular RUclips video where a player had gotten to a high line count using more of a bowl-shaped stacking approach.
Can we just remind ourselves that this is a NTSC NES Tetris score WR. PAL version of it has 4.88 mil, done by Fractal. And not only that. Fractal was first to break the 1340 lines which glitches the block colours.
Well, the rate things are going, NTSC Colors might not be too far off.
As impressive as this record is - I reckon the record jumps will start growing bigger from here on out simply because of the endurance of it. Higher levels equal more points.
Yeah don't get surprised if they get a 7-8 mil out of nowhere. Totally possible. A few more levels and it's gg time
they gonna get to the 800 line round somehow
Damn
A year later and you were right,
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As of literally yesterday the new world record is 4,296,740
All thanks to Bare Foot rolling,
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We can expect 1 year from now again the world record will be broken easily yet again, rolling has changed the game forever.
@@saintsocramnymaia5511 No. The WR now is 6,492,500 point by Eric
Absolutely amazing... It is insane to see how far players are pushing the limits now with Tetris and I for one am all for it
You have Dog, Cheez, Eric, Huff, Alex T. and all the rest, CTWC 2022 is going to be crazy
and Fractal :)
Alex t is extremely bad
Nenu, PixelAndy
Are dudes like Koryan, greentea, Joseph still in the mix? Or are they outclassed by these young guys?
@@yrureadingthisname Joseph is still in (Semi-Finalist in 2021, beat Ruins and almost beat Huff), not sure about Koryan and Greentea is probably working
It's the first video of yours I watched
Wow, nice production quality.
Got Wirtual vibes to be honest
I wish you luck with your channel
I have a nikon D3400 and have used it to stream. It does indeed cut out, idk why he doesn’t get another camera tho 😂
do i look like im made of money :p
And I have the dilemma where I can afford the camera but my Classic Tetris scores aren't worth recording 😂😂😂
@@EricICX I mean unless you have something you really want a Nikon for, you could always sell it and buy an entry level cannon, but idk it’s a lot of effort so I’d just stick with the Nikon lol. I ended up getting a video camera for other projects eventually but I used that Nikon for a long time!
I used to hate the idea of bringing in a level cap, or a lines past your opponents top out cap in competition but if rolling continues on the route it is going, this might not be that bad an idea. Watching 2 rollers going 2-300 hundred lines past level 29 might be fun the first few times but I dont think it would make for good viewing if it started happening consistently. Not only that it would drag what can already be a long competition into ridiculous territory.
This pretty much. The other alternative could be that you have to maintain a minimum tetris rate or you lose.
That would be worth watching every time.
@@PresidentScrooge "or you lose"
I feel like you meant to say "or your score stops climbing". Insta-losing would be insane, but saying "okay, no more points now" would be better.
Please no, that's ridiculous.
all high quality cameras are known to have a 30minute cutoff so its bracketed into a more cheaper camera for tariffs i believe, its stupid.
Cameras meant for photography have a built in time to end video recording after a certain point even though it can record longer. This is largely due to the fact that the tariffs on video records are higher, leading to company’s to intentionally caping the cameras ability to record videos in order to stay classified as a camera and pay a lower tariff.
I thought his timing that he got the record on April 1st was just awesome. It was crazy insane, real and perfectly timed
I remember a nother speedrun (In Super Mario Odyssey I believe) that was also on April 1st
I think that this community is 1 year away from people getting consistent tetrisis on kill screen
if a marathon is 150 line clears, then 100% NES tetris has always been a marathon, and now with the continuing further line increase, it might even be a 999 line marathon
Damn. I wasn't aware about this record.
That CTWC corner is down the street a few blocks
I have played Eric in Puyo Puyo Tetris before and I can confirm he is one of the most well rounded players in all versions. He's a god.
fun fact, the reason cameras usually cant record past 30 minutes is because they get a bigger tax break selling them as cameras and not Video recorders, wack.
It wasn''t all that long ago that maxouts were extremely impressive. Now I wouldn't be surprised if someone got a 10 million game this year.
The killscreen truly is just second transition now.
it's ruining competitive tetris for me. it's coming to a point where who plays more efficiently no longer matters between the top players and most games will come down to who lasts longer in the kill screen. it was exciting at first but it's becoming old quickly, and i miss those days when efficiency was the most important factor. eventually they're going to have to have a line cap in tournaments or something so every match isn't too absurdly long, i think they're better off doing it sooner before it gets more out of hand than it already has.
What setup do they use so that I can start practicing? How do they stream it etc? What console, tv? How?
the fix to negate that camera time limit is to hold down the "trash" button while in live view, I've run that camera for hours with no cut outs this way, I used zip ties to wrap around the camera and hold that button down.
the trash button is recessed, so that's kinda hard. what I do since I backbutton focus anyway is just use a rubberband around the shutter button to keep it half held. works just as well, i didnt do it this time since I only wanted b2b 1.3s
Crazy. I guess only the true kill screen is the limit now, but that's a long way off, but theoretically possible with rolling.
I would say that glitched colors might pose a risk for being a true game ender. I'm currently writing a script for a video on the first player to reach the bugged colors (Starting at level 138) in the PAL version of NES Tetris, and there appears to be a few of those bugged color schemes that are either super dark colors, or just one solid color altogether. That might seriously trip up players when coupled with nerves, but then again, these elite competitors are pretty good at doing the impossible.
Why did I just watch this I have no idea
lmao, I actually got a snes tetris speed run world record on april fools 2019 but never posted it because I lost my script to edit the timestamps in
I’ve been keeping a video of me doing a 5 million score secret. I will show it only when I feel a worthy opponent comes to light.
This aged well. :)
So, apparently Ericicx reached bugged colors on NTSC
Well this is old news now.. six million points by EricICX
NES: Makes pressing button controller
Tetris players: rolling it is
okay but what fast food represents this 100k barrier?
chick fil a
WHAT
WR IMPROVEMENT BY ALMOST 1 ENTIRE ROLLOVER
OH MY GOD
What that hand doin
7:34 true but that's not the problem as it only applies when the camera is recording internally (which I doubt he's doing). That screen is from basically every cheap-mid USB to HDMI capture card. He'll have his camera linked up to the PC through HDMI using one of these adapters. It likely died from a low battery, or overheated as most DSLR's tend to
no, my camera has a 30 minute sleep timer on the live view that you can't get rid of. I bypass it whenever i need to use it for a long time by putting a rubber band and something squishy over the shutter button to keep it half held. I didn't do it this time because i just wanted b2b 1.3s (my last game was 1.322)
@@EricICX wow for real? Okay that makes sense, I figured most cameras had an option to disable the sleep timer - I've never used one where I've had that happen. Interesting, I stand corrected! Might be worth looking for a firmware hack for your camera to disable it?
@@HezJP i believe there's a really jank one for the d3300, but i don't know of anything for the d3400.
can someone explain what it means to “vault a world record”? does that mean cheez refuses to show the video of his world records? why does he do this?
Setting a new world record but not posting it immediately. It's not that he's refusing to show the video but to announce he even has a new world record in the first place.
Vaulting means he just doesn't even claim it
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at around 8 minutes u said this game was a fluke, but also say he did a 1.3m level 29 start. yeah im gonna say anyone who can get 1.3m at a level 29 start is plenty proof that this 3.7m is no fluke lucky game. u can get about 1.3m from an 18 start into 29. so just pushing the 29+ farther is what it is. progress, not a fluke.
This is true. I only say it's a fluke because he also got what would've been his level 29 PB in the same game. That alone is incredibly impressive, and shows that the potential for rollers is limitless.
The latest world record is 6.4 million
Impressive but once Steve Wozniak learns rolling you guys are all in trouble.
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Hi tetris fans, i have a quick quistion. are the tiles random or are it always the same game after game ? . best regards Michael
If you're referring to how the pieces are distributed during the game, it is entirely random, as the piece sequence is generated as the game goes on (not predetermined). In some high level competitions, they do play with the same set of pieces, but they don't know what those will be beforehand, and the sets of pieces are still switched out in subsequent matches. Hope that answers your question :)
@@okCobalt thank you so much. for your answer best regards Michael
ps. and yes its was about the distribution of the pieces, because if not random, one person with a WERY good memory coud have a adwantage if he/she know the ordre of the pieces. but thanks again /Michael
the record is as impressive as his voice cracks
2:26 what is he doing with his right hand (the one with the glove) ?
The technique is called rolling, that is how tetris players call it. Since it is impossible to tap the button that fast with only a finger, he keeps one finger on the button and then taps the controller on the underside in quick succession with the fingers from the other hand. That way the controller moves against the finger on the button and the button is pressed far quicker than you could press it using only one finger. Average person can tap 2-3 times a second with one finger, but tap using all your fingers in a sweeping motion and you get 9-10 taps a second, or something like that.
@@newnewmee44 omg that's insane! thanks for the info
when is the ctwc?
The Portland Retro Gaming Expo (Where in person CTWC events have been hosted in the past), confirmed that they'll be in person for October 14th-16th. We're waiting on the CTWC's official plans, but that looks to be the weekend that it would take place on.
hi cobalt
I would concede that someone is truly a champion in nes Tetris if they come close to the consistency with which Jonas used to win CTWC.
Getting high scores playing alone. Or winning the championship one/twice while playing "online" doesn't make one a champion of Jonas's calibre.
There won't be consistency because the top crop nowdays are close in skill and the game is definitely played At a higher level than when Jonas competed,no hate against the legend but his scores won't even get him to qualify
Pepega
I did almost 300k on digital mobile emulator (I need that controller)
It's said that, at the top level, *modern* competitive Tetris (NOT classic) is decided by whoever misdrops first. Personally I don't buy it. Sometimes you *can* just plain outplay your opponent.
But in classic? Now that the killscreen isn't very kill anymore? This really *is* decided by whoever misdrops first.
I have literally never heard of anyone saying that contemporary Tetris is decided by misdrops, the majority of losses at a high level is simply being outspiked.
My high score is 7447 on game boy advance on nintendo switch
okCobalticseasidemen
So instead of just having to play normally, Why does he have to do that nonsense with the controller. Couldn't he get a higher score if he didn't have do that? ROM patching is a thing in case you didn't know.
I'm sorry, I watched this video twice... what was the record? 0:50 The sentence introduces the concept that someone beat a record, but then goes on 7 minute tangent about the history of the record without ever explicitly stating the actual record.
Example: "You won't believe the name of my dog. My dog's name is unprecedented in the history of named animals. Now, to understand the history of named dogs, we have to talk about evolutionary theory. Wolves were the top canine in the stone age... (7 minutes later). And that's how an amazing story about dogs. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed this video about my dog's name. Don't forget to like and subscribe."
**Comments section: "My dogs name is 1.4 million times better than the last name my dog had."
Me: WHAT IS THE DOG'S NAME.
I mention the record at 6:13, along with showing a screenshot of the game in question. You're right in that I was somewhat vague, saying "3.7 million" rather than the exact score, but I do mention the record, and how it's the first to top the 3 million mark.
It's still good feedback for future videos in a sense where it allows them to flow better. Lead with the facts and then delve into the history, buildup etc.
@@Jacev_ Fully agree. Best to start with nothing more than bare essentials to get to the title content, then after that take your deep dive.
You sound like Eezyspeezy
No he doesnt
@@jvr6809 he does tho
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NES Tetris has gone ultra instinct.
I suck at tetris
Algorithmic boosting comment.
My max is 900000 lol
Tf is rolling lol
Rolling is a technique that's been recently introduced to allow for piece movement speeds of ~20-30hz (the previous technique of hypertapping would only reach top speeds of 15-20hz). aGameScout has a great video detailing it here: ruclips.net/video/LMQHUL203rs/видео.html
@@okCobalt awesome. Thanks! I'll check that video out
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I think they should cap the length of the game, not the levels. The average tetris game with a level 18 start lasts around 8 minutes to kill screen. Cap the game for tournament play at around 8 minutes and then people still have an incentive to play clean but at higher speeds.
I've proposed the idea of doing a sort of timer-based chasedown. So, when one of the two players tops out and their game ends, a timer starts, and the other player might only have 2 minutes to chase down the other score, where if time runs out before they do so, their opponent wins. The issue is that it's hard to implement in matches, especially when both players have stream delays for their game feed. Could be possible for in person tournaments though, but the scene as a whole is still discussing potential options.
@@okCobalt What are our first principles? What makes Tetris, Tetris? The game is built around the idea of rewarding people who can stack very efficiently, and then challenging them to do it faster and faster until eventually they can't go any faster. We've learned how to break speed barriers by DAS, then hypertapping, and now rolling, but the core has always been: How can we stack to make Tetrises efficiently?
You want to stack flawlessly to achieve Tetrises with minimal burning and you want to do it at faster and faster speeds. You want the person who wins to be the person who can attack the most efficiently at high speeds.
The problem is, the pieces drop so fast that even with hypertapping you might squeeze out a few more points, but not much on average. Rolling changed two things dramatically. It enhanced what hypertapping already did, which was to let people play higher and more efficiently, and survive very high digs. But it also let people change their strategy from efficient Tetrising to long term killscreen survival.
I don't think you want to discourage people from innovating in the speed department, but you shouldn't let that take over the hand and totally alter the core of the game.
That's exacly the thing that has been done to Classic Score Attack mode in Tetris Effect: Connected. After one player tops out - his enemy has only 2 minutes to chase him
@@okCobalt Changing the rules of the game because people put effort, experimented, and became "too good" at it sounds extremely discouraging and a terrible idea imo. I don't even think it's anywhere near becoming a problem yet.
im sad how cheez vaults wrs, like sure it doesnt mean much for him but for him to just feel lazy to upload amazing scores is a bad role model in the community
Agreed. Usually root for cheez now I'm not sure anymore after knowing he did this.
can you explain what it means to “vault a world record”? does that mean cheez refuses to show the video of his world records? why does he do this?
@@fishermanWyatt-qg6tw yeah basically. Cheez won't upload wrs or some super good scores because for him it's not that impressive, for example his 1.3 29 start, which the vod expired and isn't uploaded on his channel. The only reason I've heard is that it's too much of a hassle to upload
Shades of Thor
He probably scored some 1.1's and possibly 1.2's well before Harry Hong scored the first official maxout
But to him the WR wasn't that big a deal.
I disagree in the sense where he doesn't owe us anything. If he wants to keep WRs to himself, he's more than entitled to it. In the end, it only affects him anyway as it means that he loses out on the bragging right of WRs. Maybe he's at a stage where there are other things that are worth more to him than just uploading WRs.
Not only that, it's refreshing to have a gamer who is so nonchalant about his own abilities. It's a charm. Like - "I'm damn good at this game and I don't care to brag about it".
Tetris is almost dead. You're going to have people playing for literally hours in order to get a world record, and no one will want to do that, so it's gonna die.
I don't know about that.
Lol, no, that's not how it works
The latest world record is 6.4 million
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If this is just the beginning, then it is nothing special about it.