Top 10 Biggest JRPG Controversies Of All Time
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Top 10 Biggest JRPG Controversies Of All Time
We will be going over the top 10 biggest JRPG controversies ever! JRPG drama comes and goes but it's always interesting to hear both sides of the JRPG drama whether it be within the fanbase or something that happened behind the scenes. With the news of the latest Atlus leaker Midori's true identity being revealed, I wanted to revisit some of the biggest JRPG dramas in recent history.
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00:00 Intro
00:18 Breath Of Fire
02:27 Atlus Leaker
05:09 Persona 4 Storylines
06:47 Final Fantasy 13 Versus
09:09 Final Fantasy 7 Remake
10:52 Kingdom Hearts 3
12:49 Tales Of Zestiria
15:17 Final Fantasy 16
16:52 Stellar Blade Censorship
19:04 Chrono Cross
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Whats the craziest JRPG controversy you remember?
Every recent Square Enix New Year's Letter lol
Naoto Shirogane with the based answer to gender identity. It's basically, "Yeah, I wish I didn't have to go through the struggles of being a woman in this society that looks down on women in this field. Yeah I wish I was taken more seriously despite my age. Yeah I have more traditionally boyish interests. But I don't need to change my body to be comfortable with myself. I don't need people to change how they refer to me, or what gender they see me as. Because at the end of the day, I'm me, and I don't need to be a certain gender to validate my identity. I'm me, and being female is only biology, NOT my identity." and she then becomes so comfortable with herself that she doesn't mind dressing in more masculine or feminine clothes. She accepts she's a girl and identifies as such. It's a much healthier way to think and live. If these people who claim to "help" those with gender dysphoria actually used the methods that have been proven to work such as watefull watching, or changing the person's mind instead of their bodies like what has been proven to work with body dysmorphia and many, MANY other mental illnesses, those who struggle with their body and identity would actually become healthier and happier. I look at Naoto as a perfect example of how to maturely process and progress through this sort of challenge. She doesn't put on a mask to be what makes her feel more comfortable, she takes the harder but ultimately more beneficial path of facing the truth, and accepting it, and finding a healthy way to live with it and embrace an aspect of her life she struggles with. THAT is far more empowering than trying to change yourself until you feel you are worthy of your own love and acceptance.
Wasn't it revealed in the story of Persona 4 that the Dungeons and Wacky Personalities were created by the public misconceptions and desires? Only for it to cover the character's shadows inner true personal feelings. Hence why Yukiko was perceived as a Princess that can snag any prince (somebody) since everyone in school saw her as that way. Rise was a strip club because all the guys wanted to see her perform more seductive roles like how she was advertised before quitting the showbiz. Naoto acting like a child playing as a mad scientist in some childish secret liar due to the Police force only seeing her as child that thinks changing oneself is a game. Kanji loves doing stuff that wasn't perceived as masculine in the eyes of the public, hence why he tries to act tough around others but only crumbling down the moment someone sees him doing something feminine like sewing or struggling with a girl, but seem very attractive to what he thought was a guy, which is why people think he is secretly gay, that ended up creating the bath house and his Shadow as a stereotypical gay guy.
I always found the "JRPG controversy" fascinating. I understand where Yoshi-P was coming from, but there needs to be a way to distinguish Japanese/Japanese-inspired RPGs from Western RPGs. It would kind of suck to watch a video like this and get stuff like Skyrim and Witcher included. Not that they're bad games by any stretch - just very different content and recommendations than I'm searching for when there's already an existing category that sufficiently and broadly covers what I'm looking for.
If you read the end of the message, he also says he understands the term is still seen in a better light.
In other words, he's just talking about what the term meant in the past as a derogatory term. Not now. Sure there's still some people who still clown on the genre, but the ratio of it is very different now vs then.
@@M00nlightOfficial But he's not just talking about what the term meant in the past. He acknowledges it has a more positive connotation in recent years, but that isn't enough to change his own negative perception of the acronym/phrase. Just like whenever words get reclaimed by groups, there will pretty much always still be a subset of people that can't shake off the negative feelings it originally came with.
I was told that the main difference from Western RPG's and JRPG's is in presentation.
- artstyle is a common difference anime vs realistic. Though it is not a clear line.
-JRPG's have their origins in visual novels, Dragon Quest and Shin Megami Tensei show how this came about.
-JRPG stories have a feel like a play, where you are playing the character and the player is playing though an anime. Western RPG's typically want you to be who you want, good/evil/weird or somewhere in-between. Even if you can only affect stats it is still a western RPG component.
Of course there are more points, and a Japanese dev can make a Western RPG and a Western dev can make a JRPG. These are simply categories like apple and oragnes there are difference, you can have preferences, but neither is better.
Sorry to say, but you handled the P4 story rather poorly. The controversy is more of a matter of certain people not accepting what the story was and they were trying to push their ideas onto the story. Naoto never wanted to be a man, she wanted to be respected in her field of work, not dissimilar to Mulan. And Kanji is left more vague, but it literally ends with him accepting himself for who he is. I understand the sentiment for people wanting this to be a more pro-lgbt story, but that simply wasn't what they had in mind while writing it back in the mid-2000s.
The way you just didn't get it...
@falasc The video is wrong, in the end Naoto accepts her femininity and lives on as a female even appearance wise. It's you that haven't done the necessary research.
@@falasc Yeah... What exectly do I not "get" here?
The thing is with the kanji is gay ,is that it’s goes directly against the arc they trying to tell,the whole arc is that men can like girly or cute things without them being gay and stuff
@@slwoo7432 100%. His dungeon, like everyone else's dungeons, were more of a matter of his internalized insecurities, and not a literal interpretation of his feelings. I really thought this was pretty obvious.
I am ok with stellar blade censorship. sometimes I get uncomfortable with too much TnA (bayonetta)
You're such a pussy then, just grow a pair and accept it or switch hobbies cause video games aren't for you anymore
I’d argue that ffxv was rushed because the switch over to Xv from versus 13 was larger than we know and all the dlc and patches was just the finished part of the game, not so much that it was held back to push later
I think the whole Midori thing is even weirder that people will simp for "him"
Tales of Zesteria is even worse than you presented. The producer was publicly flirting with the voice actress of Rose (which was already creepy), so many saw this as playing favorites. Bandai Namco also said in an interview (I believe it was for a Taiwan show that happened right after release of the game) that they "never said Alisha was the heroine of the game." Many articles were then mysterious taken down and reuploaded to "fix the wording." Oh, and by mistake, a figure company accidentally announced plans of figures of the "main characters" Sorey and Alisha. Silly of them!
Alicia basically did nothing but "build a bridge" for the entire rest of the game. She had no lore beyond that. Rose also felt like a Mary Sue, as in this world, any feelings of guilt will eventually cause a person to become a monster, but Rose, being the "assassin of good" can kill and not become a monster, because she's just that good (or in the eyes of most players, she's just a psychopath). The DLC did not help because it looked more like the producer trying to lower our opinions of Alisha and make Rose the morally superior. There were plenty of other general plotholes, but they're not really part of the controversy.
Funny thing is, the anime adaptation actually keeps Alisha in, and is regarded by fans as the best adaptation the series got. I also think this game was the one that killed the series. Berseria was better, but didn't seem to do that well (probably because it was a prequel, which means it leads into Zesteria), and it took much longer than usual for another Tales game to make it out. It's been quiet for a while (sans the DLC), but hopefully we'll get another Tales game announcement soon...
Man the whole situation with Alisha was damn terrible, Zestiria X was a nice effort to redeem the wrongs the game did. Playing the game seeing her gear in the shops waiting and pondering when would she return to the party again, til we get to the end of the game; shet was dreadful.
Lost a whole as playable character over bs
@@Cloke100 Yeah, obviously they planned to have her in the latter half of the game, then just left her weapons there to taunt everyone lol
That's actually not what happened in fact, the controversy was mostly just made up by salty va fans. The producer never flirted with the voice actress. It was actually the director of the game who stated that Alisha wasn't a main character and he said this a year before the game came out, but "Alisha fans" mostly just ignored him. The magazine articles that assumed that she was the heroine were mostly just third party companies which is why the producer got into trouble because he didn't bother to check with the game devs.
The anime was lauded mostly by Alisha fans only, Zestiria fans don't like it, especially after the truth of "controversy" in between seasons 1 and 2, Berseria released, which made ToZX not make any sense. This is why Bamco by and large ignores it now. Berseria did well but TOZX bombed. If you want to know how badly TOZX did. Referencing TOZX killed one of their gacha and put the other on life support.
If you don't know what was revealed it was that Alisha really was originally meant to have an even smaller role than what she got in the game (the game files back this up as she actually has the least weapons of any playable characters with most of them being recolors) why it shows up all through out is because they couldn't decide where and when she should be included. They never planned on giving her an armatus, in fact they never even designed one for her. Alisha's jp va knew that Alisha wasn't going to be a party member and referred to her as a side character. The president of Ufotable literally came out and said that the anime was made just because they thought that Alisha fans were the larger (and therefore more profitable group) they're was no "fixing" of the script everything original to the anime is indeed anime original, hence the plot holes. The producer simply just wasn't paying attention and ironically was the one put forth who Alisha as the heroine because she stood out more as me he released the game when it wasn't finished, so a lot of it was cut.
The Rose, well that's more of a localization issue the reason why she doesn't feel sorry for killing people is because she by and large kills corrupt nobles. Hence why she feels no guilt. You only see one of her targets in game. But the anime goes in depth into her targets, which ironically made people question the morality of keeping them alive. Alisha didn't want to build any bridges she was more worried about her country than anything else. Building a bridge was Sorey’s dream not hers, Alisha wanted to travel with Sorey because she was running away from her problems and saw Sorey as someone who could solve all her problems, which Sorey both couldn't and didn't want to do. Sorey actually brings this up in the main game but most ignored it. Sorey also was the one that said that he didn't want to tell Alisha of his plans, so while people blame Rose for that the DLC truth is that it was Sorey himself that didn't want anything more to do with Alisha.
@@Cloke100The reason why her stuff shows up in the shops was because they had played around with the thought of expanding her role but then they realized that she really had no reason to travel with the party, but they still wanted to expand her role but didn't know where to put her in.
@@brightlight8852 Hey, I'm not here to argue, but that's how the controversy folded out back then. And it was huge (in Japan at least, I don't think they made the same mistakes in the west). Alisha was stated to be the heroine of the game pre-release. There are screenshots of before and afters of the various fixes. If that was the mistake of BanNam, fine, but they made no mention of it and had all the websites fix it silently. They didn't help put out the fire. Heck, Astaria even had Alisha as the heroine initially.
Can you point me to this interview of the president of ufotable? Sounds like an interesting read. I can't find any info on that, English or Japanese. Though I doubt a president would make such statements admitting failure, especially with an IP they do not own (sounds risky). Also, you must be crazy to think mentioning TOZX killed their gacha; all of them were on life support for so long, Zestiria or not.
In regards to the story, I played the JP version, so it definitely wasn't a loc issue (I played a few hours on English before; I think the loc is solid). I still find it hard to believe you can have zero guilt when killing a person, bad or not, but if you believe that, then I can see why that isn't a problem for the plot. We can talk about the good and bads of the writing, but I'm not here to review the game haha.
Either way, I'm a fan of the Tales series as a whole, so I'm hoping for a new game soon.
interesting video idea , keep it up
Breath "of the fire"???
Nope. I'm out.
Didn’t they say that Alisha was they wasn’t resonating anymore and the connection wasn’t there because of beliefs ?
No, the creator stated that she didn't fit in with the party and it made no sense for her to travel with them. Besides that when they created the game and characters they planned on her simple just being a temporary party member.
@@brightlight8852 I recall getting an in game reason for her not being in the party anymore
@Xebusc Yeah that was the in game reason for it, on top of having no resonance which called issues for Sorey her beliefs also made her a bad fit